Bee hives?

Really?

Life is so tough in the US right now that you are thieving bee hives
from each other.

"Beekeepers have always been concerned about theft"

What a country of thieves you are. Even if it's nailed down, and has
just an ounce of value - it gets stolen.

This is what you get when you flush your economy down the toilet. Your
quality of life goes with it.

==================================
Honey Price Increases Lead to Jump In Beehive Thefts

DIXON (CBS13) — The price of honey has jumped in the last decade,
leading to a jump in beehive thefts.

That has beekeepers turning to technology to try and stop crooks from
taking the hives.

Keepers like Phil Hofland hoping the latest technology will sting those
thieves trying to make off with the valuable hives.

“You can come in here with a forklift and snag—I’ve seen people steal
30,000 to 50,000 in a half an hour,” he said.

Beekeepers have always been concerned about theft, and have long tried
to develop ways to prevent that from happening.

But the age-old problem has a new remedy. Hofland now uses tiny GPS
chips to track if one of his hives is stolen.

“If it gets moved, I get an email or a text on my phone immediately,”
the Dixon beekeeper said.

Along with the chips, Hofland also brands his boxes in hopes of scaring
away those who may look to swipe the hives.

“I look at it as if my boxes are marked really good and somebody else’s
aren’t,” he said. “Somebody has a choice between picking mine and
somebody else’s, they are going to do that.”

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/...eehive-thefts/

On 02/14/2014 08:18 AM, Busy Bee wrote:
Bee hives?

Really?


snip

Obviously you do not live in the US so I might was well fill you in on
the true situation here.


Though your news reports mention that there are a lot of poor people
here...an American is considered poor if they merely own one or two cars
and have less than six TV sets.

The lowest caste of Americana are those unfortunate souls who in the
summer must use room air conditioners rather than "central air".


Now don't get me wrong, I would not doubt that some people over here do
have their servants steal bees from their neighbor's hives. But the poor
here are mostly classified as poor from an ethical standpoint.

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 07:55:19 -0700, philo* wrote:

...snip...
Obviously you do not live in the US so I might was well fill you in on
the true situation here.


Though your news reports mention that there are a lot of poor people
here...an American is considered poor if they merely own one or two cars
and have less than six TV sets.

The lowest caste of Americana are those unfortunate souls who in the
summer must use room air conditioners rather than "central air".


Now don't get me wrong, I would not doubt that some people over here do
have their servants steal bees from their neighbor's hives. But the poor
here are mostly classified as poor from an ethical standpoint.

Years ago, at a conference held in Europe regarding the increase in
homeless population, the US representative lamented how the US poor people
with no housing are now forced to live out of their cars. And another
country's representative, practically stuttered while incredulously
asking, "Your poor people own cars?"

On 2/14/2014 10:28 AM, RobertMacy wrote:

Years ago, at a conference held in Europe regarding the increase in
homeless population, the US representative lamented how the US poor
people with no housing are now forced to live out of their cars. And
another country's representative, practically stuttered while
incredulously asking, "Your poor people own cars?"

Where else to store the DVD and flat screen
TV they watch every night?

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On 02/14/2014 09:28 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
On

Now don't get me wrong, I would not doubt that some people over here
do have their servants steal bees from their neighbor's hives. But the
poor here are mostly classified as poor from an ethical standpoint.

Years ago, at a conference held in Europe regarding the increase in
homeless population, the US representative lamented how the US poor
people with no housing are now forced to live out of their cars. And
another country's representative, practically stuttered while
incredulously asking, "Your poor people own cars?"



But when he did not mention is that the car air-conditioners only have
two settings.

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:28:26 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

Years ago, at a conference held in Europe regarding the increase in
homeless population, the US representative lamented how the US poor people
with no housing are now forced to live out of their cars. And another
country's representative, practically stuttered while incredulously
asking, "Your poor people own cars?"

In comparison to other nations, our poor in the USA, have a better
quality of life than some middle class in other countries.

Oren wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:28:26 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

Years ago, at a conference held in Europe regarding the
increase in
homeless population, the US representative lamented how
the US poor
people with no housing are now forced to live out of
their cars. And
another country's representative, practically stuttered
while
incredulously asking, "Your poor people own cars?"

In comparison to other nations, our poor in the USA, have
a better
quality of life than some middle class in other countries.

It's all about perspective and we all know home boi ain't
gotz any

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2013/10/whe...etting-richer/

RobertMacy wrote:

"Your poor people own cars?"

Yes - sad isin't it?

Sad that the "american dream" of home ownership is slipping away from
more and more of you.

================
http://www.businessweek.com/articles...-just-for-bums

Living in Your Car: No Longer Just for Bums
March 02, 2012

By most standards, Jessica Spaulding has a successful life and career.
The 31-year-old Californian splits her time between Long Beach, where
she runs fundraising drives for public radio station KJazz 88.1, and San
Diego, where she’s pursuing her master’s degree in accounting at
National University. Because of her busy schedule, she decided to give
up her posh apartment in Santa Monica. “I work 50 to 60 hours a week and
felt like I never saw it,” she says. These days, her housing is a little
more humble. For the past five years, she’s lived in a 2007 Prius.

She realizes that public perception is that anybody living in a car must
be doing so against their will, but she hopes that as upwardly mobile
people such as herself increasingly go public, living in a vehicle will
finally be seen “as a viable option.”

Being homeless and a working professional are no longer mutually
exclusive. A recent census by the Coalition for the Homeless reveals
that among the current national homeless population, approximately 44
percent have jobs. Although the U.S. Census Bureau doesn’t keep records
of the so-called vehicular homeless, there are informal estimates that
up to 59.2% of homeless are living in cars or vans, the biggest
percentage since the Great Depression’s “Ford families.”

=================

American Dream Slipping as Homeownership at 18-Year Low
2013-07-30

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...-year-low.html

The U.S. homeownership rate, which soared to a record high 69.2 percent
in 2004, is back where it was two decades ago, before the housing bubble
inflated, busted and ripped more than 7 million Americans from their
homes.

==================

Americans living in cars - better than living in a cardboard box under a
freeway overpass.

Until someone steals it and sells it to a scrap yard.

My sister sponsored a family from Ukraine to come to Canada (Winnipeg).

They were absolutely astonished that every year we have a "Rummage Day" here in Winnipeg where people can put out any rummage that's in good condition but unneeded and unwanted by the owner. They had my sister and brother-in-law driving around all day and evening collecting old computers, CRT style TV sets, lawn furniture, etc. etc. etc. To them, no one in their right mind would throw such stuff away if it still works.

In Ukraine, these people lived on the outskirts of a small city where their entire front and back yards were used to grow vegetables. They had no running water and an outhouse at the edge of their property. Three generations lived in the same two bedroom house. Their 19 year old son remembers that the most joyful day of his life was when his grandmother (who was working for my other sister as a "nanny") sent enough money back to Ukraine for his parents to buy him a bicycle. But, by their standards, they were a middle class family.

There is truly "poor" and there is "western style poor". Poor people in the west (Europe and North America) go to food banks so that they have more money to spend on alcohol, drugs and gambling. The poor people in the west go to government agencies demanding that agency do something about the roaches in the modern high rise government apartments they live in free of charge. The poor people in the west take taxis to go shopping for groceries because they know they will be reimbursed that expense by the government. The poor in the west are required by their welfare workers to look for a job, but will scuttle their chances of getting hired by showing up at job interviews drunk or high. This is a kind of "poor" that really doesn't fit the definition.

On 2/14/14 8:18 AM, Busy Bee wrote:
Bee hives?

Really?

Life is so tough in the US right now that you are thieving bee hives
from each other.

"Beekeepers have always been concerned about theft"

What a country of thieves you are. Even if it's nailed down, and has
just an ounce of value - it gets stolen.

This is what you get when you flush your economy down the toilet. Your
quality of life goes with it.

Cut rest.

Stealing and such shows more about human nature than about a
country's economy. One has to earn about $34,000/year to be in the top
1% richest in the world. (#24)
Median household income is approaching $50,000 in the U.S.
(#8)
Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ljkl7h3
Carpe Diem site. 50 reasons we're living through the greatest
period in world history.

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:04:47 -0600, "ChairMan"
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:28:26 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

Years ago, at a conference held in Europe regarding the
increase in
homeless population, the US representative lamented how
the US poor
people with no housing are now forced to live out of
their cars. And
another country's representative, practically stuttered
while
incredulously asking, "Your poor people own cars?"

In comparison to other nations, our poor in the USA, have
a better
quality of life than some middle class in other countries.

It's all about perspective and we all know home boi ain't
gotz any

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2013/10/whe...etting-richer/


Outstanding.

I did once invite home boi to a snipe hunt; offered to pay its way,
pick it up at the airport and offer a comfortable place to stay at my
cost. Even meals and entertainment for a week. I went as far as to
teach it what an 86 trip was in the Mohave Desert was and how I would
accomplish this specific task -some minor details left out for
brevity. This boi was afraid to take my invitation.

The boi is a punk. I've bitch slapped it a few times here on Usenet.

--
"There's nothing like the scent of Cordite in a woman's hair."

Dean, Hoffman, wrote:

This is what you get when you flush your economy down the toilet.
Your quality of life goes with it.

Stealing and such shows more about human nature than about a
country's economy. One has to earn about $34,000/year to be
in the top 1% richest in the world.
Median household income is approaching $50,000 in the U.S.

You have to compare your income against hundreds of millions of Indian
and Chinese peasants?

What exactly does that prove?

The reality which you choose to ignore is that by many measures, you are
regressing.

Your wages, disposable income, personal net-worth, rate of home
ownership, personal debt, even life expectancy are worse now than even a
decade ago.

That you console yourselves by comparing your economic metrics with the
entire world (which includes the perpetually-destitute peoples of
africa, india and china) speaks volumes.

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 14:58:44 -0800, Oren wrote in


On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:28:26 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

Years ago, at a conference held in Europe regarding the increase in
homeless population, the US representative lamented how the US poor people
with no housing are now forced to live out of their cars. And another
country's representative, practically stuttered while incredulously
asking, "Your poor people own cars?"

In comparison to other nations, our poor in the USA, have a better
quality of life than some middle class in other countries.

Our public service club did a food-basket handout to about 100 "needy"
families this past December. Each family got about $200 worth of food
and toys-for-tots but had to come to the distribution location for
pick-up. I was amazed at how many showed up in less than 5 year old
vehicles worth $15k or more. Several were late model SUVs worth much
more.

I'm quitting that activity.
--
Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers
and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those
newspapers delivered to your door every morning.

On 2/15/2014 8:53 AM, CRNG wrote:
Our public service club did a food-basket handout to about 100 "needy"
families this past December. Each family got about $200 worth of food
and toys-for-tots but had to come to the distribution location for
pick-up. I was amazed at how many showed up in less than 5 year old
vehicles worth $15k or more. Several were late model SUVs worth much
more.

I'm quitting that activity.

Did most of them complain, and demand delivery?

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

For years I had a couple of tenants staying in one of my apartments.

They were from El Salvadore. He was a heavy equipment mechanic and she was a registered nurse. They were both making good money.

But, every year they applied for a free Christmas food hamper, which included a frozen turkey for their Christmas meal.

People from other countries just don't get the "it's only there for those who need it" philosophy. They figure if it's free, everyone else is going to ask for it, so why shouldn't they.

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 21:20:15 +0100, nestork
wrote:


For years I had a couple of tenants staying in one of my apartments.

They were from El Salvadore. He was a heavy equipment mechanic and she
was a registered nurse. They were both making good money.

But, every year they applied for a free Christmas food hamper, which
included a frozen turkey for their Christmas meal.

People from other countries just don't get the "it's only there for
those who need it" philosophy. They figure if it's free, everyone else
is going to ask for it, so why shouldn't they.

I doubt is because they are immigrants, there are many narcissistic,
selfish natural born people as well.

On 2/14/14 9:21 PM, Home Guy wrote:
Dean, Hoffman, wrote:

This is what you get when you flush your economy down the toilet.
Your quality of life goes with it.

Stealing and such shows more about human nature than about a
country's economy. One has to earn about $34,000/year to be
in the top 1% richest in the world.
Median household income is approaching $50,000 in the U.S.

You have to compare your income against hundreds of millions of Indian
and Chinese peasants?

What exactly does that prove?

The reality which you choose to ignore is that by many measures, you are
regressing.


Cut rest due to AIOE quotation limits.

True enough about our economy going downhill. We have the lowest
percentage or eligible people working since the 1970s if I recall
correctly.
The point I was making is that the vast majority of us in the U.S.
are still very well off. People aren't stealing to eat. It goes back
to the common human conditions of greed, envy, laziness etc.

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 21:20:15 +0100, nestork
wrote:


For years I had a couple of tenants staying in one of my apartments.

They were from El Salvadore. He was a heavy equipment mechanic and she
was a registered nurse. They were both making good money.

But, every year they applied for a free Christmas food hamper, which
included a frozen turkey for their Christmas meal.

People from other countries just don't get the "it's only there for
those who need it" philosophy. They figure if it's free, everyone else
is going to ask for it, so why shouldn't they.

Not just from other countries. Plenty of home grown take advantage of
that sort of thing.

People think it is OK to take "free" things as long as it is not their
money or their families getting imposed on. People think it is OK to
evade taxes because it is not like stealing, even though the rest of
us must pay more. Big companies make a lot of money so it is OK to
take advantage of them too. Padding insurance claims is acceptable,
after all, we've paid lots of premiums.

I'm sure you have tenants that abuse utilities, appliances, whatever,
because the landlord is making a lot of money from them.

No, actually, most people are pretty decent when it comes to reciprocating.

I've renovated my building, so my suites look much nicer than other 54 year old buildings, and yet my rents are actually lower than most of the 1960 vintage apartment blocks in my area. So tenants know they're getting a good deal and they reciprocate. They turn the lights off when they're not using the laundry room, they clean up laundry soap they spill, they tell me if there's an icy spot on the front or back steps so that I can put some salt on it, that kind of thing. Generally, what goes around comes around. If tenants feel they're getting a good deal from their landlord, they're willing to reciprocate by doing their part. Occasionally, I have to ask a male tenant to help me carry my snowblower up my basement steps, and they're always willing to do that. If they felt the landlord was screwing them as much as he could, they'd find an excuse not to help out.

It's usually the children of tenants who haven't matured and still have that "me" mentality. They'll pack the washing machine tight with clothing so as to save the $1.75 it would cost them to do a second wash load. That way they have that $1.75 their mom gave them for themselves.

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 21:20:15 +0100, nestork
wrote:


For years I had a couple of tenants staying in one of my apartments.

They were from El Salvadore. He was a heavy equipment mechanic and she
was a registered nurse. They were both making good money.

But, every year they applied for a free Christmas food hamper, which
included a frozen turkey for their Christmas meal.

People from other countries just don't get the "it's only there for
those who need it" philosophy. They figure if it's free, everyone else
is going to ask for it, so why shouldn't they.

Nestork,

I've learned over many years; you cannot rehabilitate a person that
has never been habilitated.

--
"You can not rehabilitate a person that has never been habilitated!"
-- Convict Guard 101

True enough about our economy going downhill. We have the lowest
percentage or eligible people working since the 1970s if I recall
correctly.

In the 1070s unemployment benefits were tax-free and unlimited.

"M.L." wrote:

True enough about our economy going downhill. We have the lowest
percentage or eligible people working since the 1970s if I recall
correctly.

In the 1070s unemployment benefits were tax-free and unlimited.

That might have been true in the 1070's, maybe even the 1970's.

But the labor "participation rate", which we are talking about, is the
fraction of all people who are eligible for work that are either (a)
working or (b) looking for work. Looking for work includes all people
collecting unemployment benefits. So the participation rate is not
skewed by how lucrative or easy unemployment benefits are or have been
in the past.

If you are not working, nor collecting employment benefits, but you are
part of the demographic that is eligible to be working (something like
being able-bodied and between the ages of 16 to 65) then you are deemed
to not be participating in the labor force.

Now I don't know how they look at full-time students, or people
collecting social-security disability (which is at record-high levels
and growing month-to-month). Are those people also considered as
eligible for participating in the labor force - but just like the people
collecting unemployment insurance they (students and disabled) either
want to work or are planning on working as soon as their temporary
status has ended.

On 2/16/2014 10:13 AM, M.L. wrote:


True enough about our economy going downhill. We have the lowest
percentage or eligible people working since the 1970s if I recall
correctly.

In the 1070s unemployment benefits were tax-free and unlimited.

Well, d'uh, in the 1070s, the north America was
native, and there was no central government.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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..

On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:39:54 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

In the 1070s unemployment benefits were tax-free and unlimited.

Well, d'uh, in the 1070s, the north America was
native, and there was no central government.

Doh. The USA has more than one nation in forms of government.

Think Navajo, Cherokee, Seminole, etc. They all have their own laws
on native lands. Even have police, jails and such.