I mentioned in another thread that my wife had flipped her car over . Turns
out that where it went into the ditch was the end of a concrete culvert that
goes under the highway , and it musta hit pretty hard . We pulled it out and
righted it yesterday , I waited until today to start it , just to be sure
all the fluids had seeped back where they belong . There is no visible
damage to any of the steering parts ... but when the left wheel is straight
the right one is pointing off yonder . I drove it home today , with the
right front ogff in the gravel . Dug the prettiest furrow you ever saw , and
it got *VERY* exciting coming down the still-ice-coated gravel road we live
on .
Car has probably suffered frame/subframe damage , and with the age and
mileage it's pretty likely they'll total it . Bummer , that was a sweet ride
.. 01 Mazda Tribute LX 4WD with almost everything

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:18:16 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

I mentioned in another thread that my wife had flipped her car over . Turns
out that where it went into the ditch was the end of a concrete culvert that
goes under the highway , and it musta hit pretty hard . We pulled it out and
righted it yesterday , I waited until today to start it , just to be sure
all the fluids had seeped back where they belong . There is no visible
damage to any of the steering parts ... but when the left wheel is straight
the right one is pointing off yonder . I drove it home today , with the
right front ogff in the gravel . Dug the prettiest furrow you ever saw , and
it got *VERY* exciting coming down the still-ice-coated gravel road we live
on .
Car has probably suffered frame/subframe damage , and with the age and
mileage it's pretty likely they'll total it . Bummer , that was a sweet ride
. 01 Mazda Tribute LX 4WD with almost everything
Lots of it's Ford cousin available at good prices just about
anywhere.

On 01/10/2014 09:18 PM, Snag wrote:
I mentioned in another thread that my wife had flipped her car over . Turns
out that where it went into the ditch was the end of a concrete culvert that
goes under the highway , and it musta hit pretty hard . We pulled it out and
righted it yesterday , I waited until today to start it , just to be sure
all the fluids had seeped back where they belong . There is no visible
damage to any of the steering parts ... but when the left wheel is straight
the right one is pointing off yonder . I drove it home today , with the
right front ogff in the gravel . Dug the prettiest furrow you ever saw , and
it got *VERY* exciting coming down the still-ice-coated gravel road we live
on .
Car has probably suffered frame/subframe damage , and with the age and
mileage it's pretty likely they'll total it . Bummer , that was a sweet ride
. 01 Mazda Tribute LX 4WD with almost everything




Ok great...and NOW you will call the ambulance for your wife?

philo wrote:
On 01/10/2014 09:18 PM, Snag wrote:
I mentioned in another thread that my wife had flipped her car
over . Turns out that where it went into the ditch was the end of a
concrete culvert that goes under the highway , and it musta hit
pretty hard . We pulled it out and righted it yesterday , I waited
until today to start it , just to be sure all the fluids had seeped
back where they belong . There is no visible damage to any of the
steering parts ... but when the left wheel is straight the right one
is pointing off yonder . I drove it home today , with the right
front ogff in the gravel . Dug the prettiest furrow you ever saw ,
and it got *VERY* exciting coming down the still-ice-coated gravel
road we live on . Car has probably suffered frame/subframe damage
, and with the age and mileage it's pretty likely they'll total it .
Bummer , that was a sweet ride . 01 Mazda Tribute LX 4WD with
almost everything



Ok great...and NOW you will call the ambulance for your wife?

Well , probably not since she's not seriously hurt . She got more injuries
from slipping and falling on the slick road surface than she got in the
wreck .
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On 01/11/2014 06:12 AM, Snag wrote:
hing



Ok great...and NOW you will call the ambulance for your wife?

Well , probably not since she's not seriously hurt . She got more injuries
from slipping and falling on the slick road surface than she got in the
wreck .




Glad she came through ok.

On 1/10/2014 10:18 PM, Snag wrote:
I mentioned in another thread that my wife had flipped her car over . Turns
out that where it went into the ditch was the end of a concrete culvert that
goes under the highway , and it musta hit pretty hard . We pulled it out and
righted it yesterday , I waited until today to start it , just to be sure
all the fluids had seeped back where they belong . There is no visible
damage to any of the steering parts ... but when the left wheel is straight
the right one is pointing off yonder . I drove it home today , with the
right front ogff in the gravel . Dug the prettiest furrow you ever saw , and
it got *VERY* exciting coming down the still-ice-coated gravel road we live
on .
Car has probably suffered frame/subframe damage , and with the age and
mileage it's pretty likely they'll total it . Bummer , that was a sweet ride
.. 01 Mazda Tribute LX 4WD with almost everything

Sorry to hear that. I've lost vehicles to wrecks.
No fun, go shopping for another vehicle, and get
the tools and such moved from one to the other.
Heck of a lot of time, and of work.

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philo wrote:
On 01/11/2014 06:12 AM, Snag wrote:
hing



Ok great...and NOW you will call the ambulance for your wife?

Well , probably not since she's not seriously hurt . She got more
injuries
from slipping and falling on the slick road surface than she got in the
wreck .




Glad she came through ok.
Hi,
Tissue damage can cause long term effect. Better put it on the record
with the insurance company. By any chance did her vehicle have winter
tires? I found out some winter tires are good on ice, some are good
in snow. The Finnish Akkapelka winter tire is pretty good on ice.
Pretty expensive tires. We're on Michelin X Ice IIs.

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 09:48:08 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

philo wrote:
On 01/11/2014 06:12 AM, Snag wrote:
hing



Ok great...and NOW you will call the ambulance for your wife?

Well , probably not since she's not seriously hurt . She got more
injuries
from slipping and falling on the slick road surface than she got in the
wreck .




Glad she came through ok.
Hi,
Tissue damage can cause long term effect. Better put it on the record
with the insurance company. By any chance did her vehicle have winter
tires? I found out some winter tires are good on ice, some are good
in snow. The Finnish Akkapelka winter tire is pretty good on ice.
Pretty expensive tires. We're on Michelin X Ice IIs.
You mean the Nokian Hakkepelitas - or Haks as we used to call them
in the rallye fraternity back in the late seventies.
The old Blue Metzlers were EXCELLENT on ice too.

On 1/11/2014 1:04 PM, wrote:

in snow. The Finnish Akkapelka winter tire is pretty good on ice.
Pretty expensive tires. We're on Michelin X Ice IIs.
You mean the Nokian Hakkepelitas - or Haks as we used to call them
in the rallye fraternity back in the late seventies.
The old Blue Metzlers were EXCELLENT on ice too.


Never heard of Nokian until a month ago. Put a set of Nokian WRG3 on my
car. So far, they seem to be pretty solid performers in snow but with
little ice experience. They are a good year round tire.

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 19:46:18 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/11/2014 1:04 PM, wrote:

in snow. The Finnish Akkapelka winter tire is pretty good on ice.
Pretty expensive tires. We're on Michelin X Ice IIs.
You mean the Nokian Hakkepelitas - or Haks as we used to call them
in the rallye fraternity back in the late seventies.
The old Blue Metzlers were EXCELLENT on ice too.


Never heard of Nokian until a month ago. Put a set of Nokian WRG3 on my
car. So far, they seem to be pretty solid performers in snow but with
little ice experience. They are a good year round tire.
The Hak is DEFINITELY a winter only tire. VERY agressive - they are a
bit noisy, but will handle anything finland and russia can throw their
way. In the non-studded class ice racing the Haks and Metzler Blue
were the only tire that could hack it (no pun intended) back in the
'80s - before the Blizzaks and GraspIc and Michelin Ice tires were
developed.

On 1/11/2014 9:58 PM, wrote:

Never heard of Nokian until a month ago. Put a set of Nokian WRG3 on my
car. So far, they seem to be pretty solid performers in snow but with
little ice experience. They are a good year round tire.
The Hak is DEFINITELY a winter only tire. VERY agressive - they are a
bit noisy, but will handle anything finland and russia can throw their
way. In the non-studded class ice racing the Haks and Metzler Blue
were the only tire that could hack it (no pun intended) back in the
'80s - before the Blizzaks and GraspIc and Michelin Ice tires were
developed.

AFAIK, the Haks are not sold here. The WRG3 is touted as being a tire
specifically designed for North America. They do have a snow rating,
but can also cruise at 149 mph.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/10/2014 10:18 PM, Snag wrote:
I mentioned in another thread that my wife had flipped her car
over . Turns out that where it went into the ditch was the end of a
concrete culvert that goes under the highway , and it musta hit
pretty hard . We pulled it out and righted it yesterday , I waited
until today to start it , just to be sure all the fluids had seeped
back where they belong . There is no visible damage to any of the
steering parts ... but when the left wheel is straight the right one
is pointing off yonder . I drove it home today , with the right
front ogff in the gravel . Dug the prettiest furrow you ever saw ,
and it got *VERY* exciting coming down the still-ice-coated gravel
road we live on . Car has probably suffered frame/subframe damage
, and with the age and mileage it's pretty likely they'll total it .
Bummer , that was a sweet ride .. 01 Mazda Tribute LX 4WD with
almost everything
Sorry to hear that. I've lost vehicles to wrecks.
No fun, go shopping for another vehicle, and get
the tools and such moved from one to the other.
Heck of a lot of time, and of work.


W deon't usually carry tools in her car . She expects me to maintain it so
that tools are seldom necessary . And I do .
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/11/2014 1:04 PM, wrote:

in snow. The Finnish Akkapelka winter tire is pretty good on ice.
Pretty expensive tires. We're on Michelin X Ice IIs.
You mean the Nokian Hakkepelitas - or Haks as we used to call them
in the rallye fraternity back in the late seventies.
The old Blue Metzlers were EXCELLENT on ice too.


Never heard of Nokian until a month ago. Put a set of Nokian WRG3 on my
car. So far, they seem to be pretty solid performers in snow but with
little ice experience. They are a good year round tire.
Hi,
Firestone Blizzak is good winter tire but it wears too fast. Heard
they have ground walnut shell in their rubber compound. Also I think
Toyo winter tires contain citrus oil.

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 19:46:18 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/11/2014 1:04 PM, wrote:

in snow. The Finnish Akkapelka winter tire is pretty good on ice.
Pretty expensive tires. We're on Michelin X Ice IIs.
You mean the Nokian Hakkepelitas - or Haks as we used to call them
in the rallye fraternity back in the late seventies.
The old Blue Metzlers were EXCELLENT on ice too.


Never heard of Nokian until a month ago. Put a set of Nokian WRG3 on my
car. So far, they seem to be pretty solid performers in snow but with
little ice experience. They are a good year round tire.

I had Hakks a decade back. Nice Winter tires but make sure you don't
run them for any distance when it gets warm. They are strictly a
Winter tire. ...or at least were. Maybe they've compromised some.

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 23:06:29 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/11/2014 9:58 PM, wrote:

Never heard of Nokian until a month ago. Put a set of Nokian WRG3 on my
car. So far, they seem to be pretty solid performers in snow but with
little ice experience. They are a good year round tire.
The Hak is DEFINITELY a winter only tire. VERY agressive - they are a
bit noisy, but will handle anything finland and russia can throw their
way. In the non-studded class ice racing the Haks and Metzler Blue
were the only tire that could hack it (no pun intended) back in the
'80s - before the Blizzaks and GraspIc and Michelin Ice tires were
developed.

AFAIK, the Haks are not sold here. The WRG3 is touted as being a tire
specifically designed for North America. They do have a snow rating,
but can also cruise at 149 mph.

Hakks aren't sold here? Where's "here"? I had several sets of Hakks
when I lived in Vermont. I bought them at Costco, even.

On 1/11/2014 11:39 PM, wrote:

You mean the Nokian Hakkepelitas - or Haks as we used to call them
in the rallye fraternity back in the late seventies.
The old Blue Metzlers were EXCELLENT on ice too.


Never heard of Nokian until a month ago. Put a set of Nokian WRG3 on my
car. So far, they seem to be pretty solid performers in snow but with
little ice experience. They are a good year round tire.

I had Hakks a decade back. Nice Winter tires but make sure you don't
run them for any distance when it gets warm. They are strictly a
Winter tire. ...or at least were. Maybe they've compromised some.


I guess that is why these were engineered they way they were. Very good
on dry but I've not had summer heat yet. They handle well at higher
speeds, but I've not gone over 100 yet and doubt many of us do on a
regular basis.

On 1/12/2014 12:08 AM, wrote:


AFAIK, the Haks are not sold here. The WRG3 is touted as being a tire
specifically designed for North America. They do have a snow rating,
but can also cruise at 149 mph.

Hakks aren't sold here? Where's "here"? I had several sets of Hakks
when I lived in Vermont. I bought them at Costco, even.

Maybe I got bad information. Here is CT and MA.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
AFAIK, the Haks are not sold here. The WRG3 is touted as being a tire
specifically designed for North America. They do have a snow rating,
but can also cruise at 149 mph.

And that's important trying to beat the crowd to the ski area!

On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 13:21:35 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/12/2014 12:08 AM, wrote:


AFAIK, the Haks are not sold here. The WRG3 is touted as being a tire
specifically designed for North America. They do have a snow rating,
but can also cruise at 149 mph.

Hakks aren't sold here? Where's "here"? I had several sets of Hakks
when I lived in Vermont. I bought them at Costco, even.

Maybe I got bad information. Here is CT and MA.

I had them on my '93 Vision TSi, which I junked in '01, so it's been a
few years.

On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 13:12:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/11/2014 11:39 PM, wrote:

You mean the Nokian Hakkepelitas - or Haks as we used to call them
in the rallye fraternity back in the late seventies.
The old Blue Metzlers were EXCELLENT on ice too.


Never heard of Nokian until a month ago. Put a set of Nokian WRG3 on my
car. So far, they seem to be pretty solid performers in snow but with
little ice experience. They are a good year round tire.

I had Hakks a decade back. Nice Winter tires but make sure you don't
run them for any distance when it gets warm. They are strictly a
Winter tire. ...or at least were. Maybe they've compromised some.


I guess that is why these were engineered they way they were. Very good
on dry but I've not had summer heat yet. They handle well at higher
speeds, but I've not gone over 100 yet and doubt many of us do on a
regular basis.

I'm sure they'll drive very well in the desert, too, for a few miles.
The composition isn't meant to withstand summer tire temperatures.
Unless something has changed, they'll wear very badly. They're
intended to be "sticky" in cold weather.

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 08:10:25 -0600, philo* wrote:

On 01/11/2014 06:12 AM, Snag wrote:
hing



Ok great...and NOW you will call the ambulance for your wife?

Well , probably not since she's not seriously hurt . She got more injuries
from slipping and falling on the slick road surface than she got in the
wreck .




Glad she came through ok.

Yes, me too.

Was she able to drive when the wheels were up?

micky wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 08:10:25 -0600, philo wrote:

On 01/11/2014 06:12 AM, Snag wrote:
hing



Ok great...and NOW you will call the ambulance for your wife?

Well , probably not since she's not seriously hurt . She got
more injuries from slipping and falling on the slick road surface
than she got in the wreck .




Glad she came through ok.

Yes, me too.

Was she able to drive when the wheels were up?


The car has front suspension damage , probably bent the upper strut mount
on the right side . Right wheel is pointed off into the weeds when the left
is straight . I drove it about 1.5 miles from the scene to our place , left
a definite drag mark - and coming down the still-icy gravel road was
interesting , to say the least , as each wheel took turns trying to steer
the car .
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On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 08:30:23 -0600, "Snag" wrote:

micky wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 08:10:25 -0600, philo wrote:

On 01/11/2014 06:12 AM, Snag wrote:
hing



Ok great...and NOW you will call the ambulance for your wife?

Well , probably not since she's not seriously hurt . She got
more injuries from slipping and falling on the slick road surface
than she got in the wreck .




Glad she came through ok.

Yes, me too.

Was she able to drive when the wheels were up?


The car has front suspension damage , probably bent the upper strut mount
on the right side . Right wheel is pointed off into the weeds when the left
is straight . I drove it about 1.5 miles from the scene to our place , left

I was joshing. I meant when the wheels were up and the car was sitting
on its roof.

a definite drag mark - and coming down the still-icy gravel road was
interesting , to say the least , as each wheel took turns trying to steer
the car .

One of the two times I lent my car, the 18-year old ran a stop sign (in
a school zone, though at least it was summer time) and was hit
broadside. After the gas station pulled away the fender, I would drive
but it steered to one side. No other suspension damage did the gas
station or Sears comment on but Sears told me the frame was bent ('65
convertibles probably have weak frames.) and I had heard frames could
not really be straightened. I asked him to align the wheels as good as
he could and I promised not to complain. He took out all the shims in
one place, and maybe added one or two somewhere else. The car drove
straight ahead for years, though one tire kept wearing out. I'm
cautious on snow and water and I never noticed a problem. I think I
was right about the frame, which I did not have straightene, because for
a while the top was very hard to latch, then it was easy, then it was
very hard again, I think because the frame kpt changing.

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:18:16 -0700, Snag wrote:

I mentioned in another thread that my wife had flipped her car over .
Turns
out that where it went into the ditch was the end of a concrete culvert
that
goes under the highway , and it musta hit pretty hard . We pulled it out
and
righted it yesterday , I waited until today to start it , just to be sure
all the fluids had seeped back where they belong . There is no visible
damage to any of the steering parts ... but when the left wheel is
straight
the right one is pointing off yonder . I drove it home today , with the
right front ogff in the gravel . Dug the prettiest furrow you ever saw ,
and
it got *VERY* exciting coming down the still-ice-coated gravel road we
live
on .
Car has probably suffered frame/subframe damage , and with the age and
mileage it's pretty likely they'll total it . Bummer , that was a sweet
ride
. 01 Mazda Tribute LX 4WD with almost everything


is your wife ok?