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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 23:09:37 +0000, Danny D. wrote:

a. I'll try to pull the green part out of the 3/4" PVC pipe


You guys were right.

That green stuff is there to stay.
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13419790.jpg

I'll probably cut off the elbow and start fresh, as there's
no sense in restricting the water flow from the start.

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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:29:44 -0700, Oren wrote:

Point was I did not think Danny could pull the "green" portion
out of the insert.


You were totally right; the green thing would not budge.
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13419796.jpg

They should make the garden hose nozzles out of that green stuff!

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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:29:44 -0700, Oren wrote:

Point was I did not think Danny could pull the "green" portion
out of the insert.


You were totally right; the green thing would not budge.


.....bucket huckleberries

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13419796.jpg

They should make the garden hose nozzles out of that green stuff!


As I previously stated, I've never seen one of these poly compression
fittings fail in normal use.
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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:31:16 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

those glued pvc sections come apart after being exposed to the weather
elements day after day.


Hmmm... they're not supposed to.

On a.h.r, we researched what destroys the PVS, and if you paint them,
the UV light doesn't bother them, and there's not much else that will.

Of course, earthquakes and trucks driving on the lawn would break
them - as do lawn mowers and weed whackers, but they are supposed to
last longer that we will.

Still, it's a good idea to paint them. Here's a shot of my recently
repaired pool equipment, for example, where I haven't painted the
new sections I put on last month to fix the leaks.

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13335710.jpg

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 04:15:16 +0000, Danny D. wrote:

On a.h.r, we researched what destroys the PVS, and if you paint them,
the UV light doesn't bother them, and there's not much else that will.


More information on PVC which is supposed to last 100 years...

UniBell FAQ on Studies of PVC Pipe Performance Over Time:
http://www.plasticengineeredproducts...nibell/faq.htm

The Effects of Sunlight Exposure on PVC Pipe:
http://www.nacopvc.com/c/technical-i...re-on-pvc-pipe

Painting of PVC Piping for Ultraviolet Protection:
http://www.lascofittings.com/support...gPVCPiping.asp

How to Use Acrylic or Latex Paint on PVC:
http://homeguides.sfgate.com/use-acr...pvc-25511.html



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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:13:52 +0000, Danny D. wrote:

I have others popping out of the ground scattered about
the yard that I was wondering what they do.


These tubes are popping up out of the ground near a buried sprinkler
box. I'm sure they go to the sprinkler system, but I haven't
dug it all up yet to figure out what's not working.
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13419851.jpg

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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:53:26 -0700, Oren wrote:

As I previously stated, I've never seen one of these poly compression
fittings fail in normal use.


I have a lot of that poly stuff and none of them are working.

I'm pretty sure they're busted and old, and in some cases the
sprinkler system isn't working.

Personally, I think the stuff is too fragile - but I don't have
any experience other than I do have a garden hose hooked to the
one feeding the Oleanders and the water only goes about 100 feet
or so, because the tubing is so badly cut up.

Anyway, maybe I shouldn't deprecate it so much, but I just think
it's too flimsy for my world. Of course, it would be a LOT more
work for me to bury pvc for a few hundred feet of the Oleanders,
so, I guess I should just hunker down and buy a roll of the
poly stuff and replace all the bad parts.

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 04:26:21 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
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I guess I should just hunker down and buy a roll of the
poly stuff and replace all the bad parts.


Do not try to patch pieces in. You'd be doing it forever. Wasting
money and time. When it starts getting leaks, in multiple areas, from
cracks and punctures -- replace the run. Save the drip heads and
barbed fittings. They can be used again.

Get a 100' or 500' (?) rolls and replace *long* runs.

Just sayin'
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Oren wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 04:26:21 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
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I guess I should just hunker down and buy a roll of the
poly stuff and replace all the bad parts.


Do not try to patch pieces in. You'd be doing it forever. Wasting
money and time. When it starts getting leaks, in multiple areas, from
cracks and punctures -- replace the run. Save the drip heads and
barbed fittings. They can be used again.

Get a 100' or 500' (?) rolls and replace *long* runs.

Just sayin'


That sounds like a good plan! I'm too lazy when it's hot and will patch
everything unless it just won't work! LOL

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:35:13 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

Get a 100' or 500' (?) rolls and replace *long* runs.

I'm too lazy when it's hot and will patch
everything unless it just won't work!


I don't like patching mainly because I won't understand how
it's set up.

Of course, I don't like digging up buried lines either ... so
that's why I have this 300' long run that hasn't been fixed yet.



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That sounds like a good plan! I'm too lazy when it's hot and will patch
everything unless it just won't work! LOL



I developed an allergy to work. I break out in hives

Hot with plenty of sunshine for this week's forecast.

Today 108°F
Fr 114°F
Sat 115°F
Sun 117°F
Mon 116°F
Tue 116°F
Wed 109°F

(Mojave Desert)
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On 6/26/2013 10:42 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 04:26:21 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
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I guess I should just hunker down and buy a roll of the
poly stuff and replace all the bad parts.


Do not try to patch pieces in. You'd be doing it forever. Wasting
money and time. When it starts getting leaks, in multiple areas, from
cracks and punctures -- replace the run. Save the drip heads and
barbed fittings. They can be used again.

Get a 100' or 500' (?) rolls and replace *long* runs.

Just sayin'


and you have to use compression pieces to join the patches, and they're
more expensive than running new line if you have lots of leaks.
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Danny D. wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:35:13 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl
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Get a 100' or 500' (?) rolls and replace *long* runs.

I'm too lazy when it's hot and will patch
everything unless it just won't work!


I don't like patching mainly because I won't understand how
it's set up.

Of course, I don't like digging up buried lines either ... so
that's why I have this 300' long run that hasn't been fixed yet.


If you're starting over, just leave it buried and start it all new from the
source.

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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:31:16 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

those glued pvc sections come apart after being exposed to the weather
elements day after day.


Hmmm... they're not supposed to.


I've had one fail. Fixing 3/4" PVC the end cap blew off. I can only
guess that ~500 gallons of water flooded the back yard that night. It
was still dirt from construction before lawn turf was installed. It
took a couple weeks for the mud hole to dry out.

Lesson learned. With fast set cement, insert the pipe into the
fitting, give it a quarter turn twist and hold for ~ 10-15 seconds.

Works for me and no more fitting failures.

Slow set cement; it is easy for the them to fail.
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 04:20:17 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
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These tubes are popping up out of the ground near a buried sprinkler
box. I'm sure they go to the sprinkler system, but I haven't
dug it all up yet to figure out what's not working.
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13419851.jpg


In the desert here the 1/2" poly is ~ 4 inches under ground. Other
regions may be deeper.

Pull on the poly (like pulling on a tree root out). It will lead you
to the connection point or valve box.

YMMV


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Of course, I don't like digging up buried lines either ... so
that's why I have this 300' long run that hasn't been fixed yet.


If you're starting over, just leave it buried and start it all new from the
source.


If the lines are shallow pull the poly up by hand. It will take you
where you need to follow. Provided they are only a few inches deep.
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Danny D. wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:31:16 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl
wrote:

those glued pvc sections come apart after being exposed to the
weather elements day after day.


Hmmm... they're not supposed to.

On a.h.r, we researched what destroys the PVS, and if you paint them,
the UV light doesn't bother them, and there's not much else that will.

Of course, earthquakes and trucks driving on the lawn would break
them - as do lawn mowers and weed whackers, but they are supposed to
last longer that we will.

Still, it's a good idea to paint them. Here's a shot of my recently
repaired pool equipment, for example, where I haven't painted the
new sections I put on last month to fix the leaks.

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13335710.jpg


hmmm paint the pvc pipe where it's connected or all of it? I've never
heard of that before.

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:02:16 -0500, "Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl"
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Of course, I don't like digging up buried lines either ... so
that's why I have this 300' long run that hasn't been fixed yet.


If you're starting over, just leave it buried and start it all new
from the source.


If the lines are shallow pull the poly up by hand. It will take you
where you need to follow. Provided they are only a few inches deep.


I've never deliberately buried any of my tubing because every fall the
leaves get used as mulch which eventually composts. I'm no expert at this
by far, either. Just learned to do it based on what I needed at the time
and what I could find to make it work.
I know there is one old dripper hose that got buried from mulch and roots
that I couldn't pull out if I paid the hulk to do it. LOL
I just cut that line off and ran new line that I could get to. I guess
that's a females solution, but I don't have the strength to pull and tug at
those things very well. They get the best of me.

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:48:17 -0500, "Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl"
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http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13335710.jpg


hmmm paint the pvc pipe where it's connected or all of it? I've never
heard of that before.


Pool pump pipes and rooftop solar panel PVC pipes are painted, as
Danny mentioned.

Prevents UV damage in the desert. Water based latex paint.

If it isn't painted here, it gets buried.
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:02:16 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

If you're starting over, just leave it buried and start it all
new from the source.


Hi Natural, smoking-gun, girl,

I'm was pretty sure the 3/4" and 1/2" drip tubes along the entire
300 feet or so of oleander bushes used to be tied to the irrigation
system - and I do see a 3/4" hose going into the ground at an
irrigation box:
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426649.jpg

To follow through on your suggestion, I took a look by turning the
irrigation valve on, and this started spurting out of the tube end:
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426653.jpg

There were only a few leaks, some of which look chewed, others holed:
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426658.jpg

But, the drip attachment thing seemed to be working fine nonetheless:
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426659.jpg

The problem is this 20 (or so) foot length couldn't possibly feed
the entire length of the oleander bushes:
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426660.jpg

So I rooted about and found a 3/4" and a 1/2" broken tube under the
oleander canopy, so I put a garden hose connection onto each of those:
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426663.jpg

An audible waterfall-like hiss came out of the larger tubing, so,
I was able to ascertain it was badly mauled only about 15 feet from
where the garden hose fed it:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426667.jpg

But, nothing came out of the smaller hose, that I could find:
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426669.jpg

QUESTION:
Do you think animals chewed up these tubes?
(Are they susceptible to animals chewing on them?)
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426670.jpg



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If the lines are shallow pull the poly up by hand. It will take you
where you need to follow. Provided they are only a few inches deep.


I had done that, a while ago, and this is what had resulted:
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426683.jpg

But, by digging perpendicular to the bushes, I was able to uncover
two lines, one big and one small, which only had one open chewed
up end. So I put a garden hose connection on them:
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426686.jpg

It's a LOT of work to replace them, so, I am beginning to think
I will connect the bigger one to the irrigation valve which seems
to be feeding the missing end:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426687.jpg

For that, I'll need to patch a few holes in the existing tube
already connected to the irrigation line:
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426690.jpg

So, how does this sound for the 'easiest' plan of action:

a) Take the existing 3/4" tubing which is already tied to the sprinkler
system and connect it to the 3/4" tubing that is under the oleander
canopy.

b) One by one, patch the leaks, starting at the first, and moving
onward as they show themselves.

c) Then, figure out why there is a 1/2" tubing, which must have connected
somehow to the irrigation system; but I don't know how yet.

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:53:42 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

I just cut that line off and ran new line that I could get to.


That may be the simplest answer, but, I still need to tie (somehow)
to the irrigation valves.

BTW, my tubes look like they were chewed on by an animal.

Do they hold up to animal teeth?

We have lots of coyote, quail, bunnies, deer, bobcats, squirrels, mice, etc.

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and you have to use compression pieces to join the patches, and they're
more expensive than running new line if you have lots of leaks.


Interesting.

I have to fix about 300 feet of tubing, one of which is 3/4" and the
other, which seems to be parallel to it, is 1/2" (God knows why).

Given that all the pressure is lost at the first holes, I was thinking
of temporarily taping up the holes, one by one, so that I could get an
assessment as to how many holes there were.

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13426714.jpg

Do you think electrical tape will stick long enough to run a test of
the entire line (it might take a couple of days to test the whole line).

NOTE: Substitute "img" where it says "640" for a larger image.

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:29:10 -0700, Oren wrote:

Lesson learned. With fast set cement, insert the pipe into the
fitting, give it a quarter turn twist and hold for ~ 10-15 seconds.


It's amazing how the glue lubricates it so that the pipe fits on
perfectly, and, yet it wants to pop back out - so I agree with holding
it for a quarter minute or so.

Slow set cement; it is easy for the them to fail.


Yeah, but we need *that* stuff for fixing holes with just two
couplings and a center-pipe!

Or ... you use it in the four 90s method (which seems like overkill):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdYTg3oDKfU

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On 6/27/2013 7:26 PM, Danny D. wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:02:16 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

If you're starting over, just leave it buried and start it all
new from the source.


Hi Natural, smoking-gun, girl,

I'm was pretty sure the 3/4" and 1/2" drip tubes along the entire
300 feet or so of oleander bushes used to be tied to the irrigation
system - and I do see a 3/4" hose going into the ground at an
irrigation box:
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426649.jpg

To follow through on your suggestion, I took a look by turning the
irrigation valve on, and this started spurting out of the tube end:
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426653.jpg

There were only a few leaks, some of which look chewed, others holed:
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426658.jpg

But, the drip attachment thing seemed to be working fine nonetheless:
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426659.jpg

The problem is this 20 (or so) foot length couldn't possibly feed
the entire length of the oleander bushes:
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426660.jpg

So I rooted about and found a 3/4" and a 1/2" broken tube under the
oleander canopy, so I put a garden hose connection onto each of those:
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426663.jpg

An audible waterfall-like hiss came out of the larger tubing, so,
I was able to ascertain it was badly mauled only about 15 feet from
where the garden hose fed it:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426667.jpg

But, nothing came out of the smaller hose, that I could find:
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426669.jpg

QUESTION:
Do you think animals chewed up these tubes?
(Are they susceptible to animals chewing on them?)
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426670.jpg


Those leaks look like where 1/4" tubing might have been connected at one
time and broke off. If it were "me", I'd just cut out the bad section
and insert a repair pc... I'm lazy.. I don't want to replace the entire
thing if I don't have to. If the hole is a circle, you might could just
plug it with hole plugs you can buy, too.

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On 6/27/2013 7:43 PM, Danny D. wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:53:42 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

I just cut that line off and ran new line that I could get to.


That may be the simplest answer, but, I still need to tie (somehow)
to the irrigation valves.

BTW, my tubes look like they were chewed on by an animal.

Do they hold up to animal teeth?

We have lots of coyote, quail, bunnies, deer, bobcats, squirrels, mice, etc.


I'm not really sure about that issue... I haven't had anything like that
happen with my set up yet.

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 12:05:47 -0700, chaniarts wrote:

and you have to use compression pieces to join the patches, and they're
more expensive than running new line if you have lots of leaks.


Interesting.

I have to fix about 300 feet of tubing, one of which is 3/4" and the
other, which seems to be parallel to it, is 1/2" (God knows why).

Given that all the pressure is lost at the first holes, I was thinking
of temporarily taping up the holes, one by one, so that I could get an
assessment as to how many holes there were.

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13426714.jpg

Do you think electrical tape will stick long enough to run a test of
the entire line (it might take a couple of days to test the whole line).

NOTE: Substitute "img" where it says "640" for a larger image.


funny you should ask that.. I've tried it before .. it didn't really
work very well and it always leaked, so then I had to mess with ripping
off wet tape.. I tried electrical and duct tape. The water pressure is
just too strong, I think.

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:18:37 -0700, Oren wrote:

Pool pump pipes and rooftop solar panel PVC pipes are painted, as
Danny mentioned.


As Oren said, any and all white PVC that is sticking out of ground is
typically painted (usually black, but only because it absorbs
heat and is a cheap paint).

For example, here is my pool equipment; only the newly repaired
pipe is not yet painted black:
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13335710.jpg

As Oren said, you're supposed to use acrylic (or latex) based paints;
but, in my case, I couldn't find any in the house, and, when I asked
pool guys, they said the petroleum is only there while it's wet, and
that they use whatever is on the truck, so, *maybe* it doesn't really
matter:
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13393308.jpg

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:36:53 -0700, Oren wrote:

Pull on the poly (like pulling on a tree root out). It will lead you
to the connection point or valve box.


Well, this was the theory, but, about 30 feet from the valve box,
I ran into a chewed up poly that had no counterpart nearby.

So, I'm pretty sure it's there ... but I have to go mining to find it.

I feel like an archaeologist lately.

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:08:14 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

I'd just cut out the bad section
and insert a repair pc


OK. That's what I'll do. I've never really worked with this type of
tubing before. I will try to tape the ends together, but, I have about
80psi water pressure, so electrical tape might not hold.

Seems to me the simplest repair is to cut out the bad spots and insert
a piece of pipe nipple of the right size & a splotch of the right glue.



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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:13:23 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

I had to mess with ripping off wet tape


I'll try it, and report back...
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On 6/27/2013 9:41 PM, Danny D. wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:08:14 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

I'd just cut out the bad section
and insert a repair pc


OK. That's what I'll do. I've never really worked with this type of
tubing before. I will try to tape the ends together, but, I have about
80psi water pressure, so electrical tape might not hold.

Seems to me the simplest repair is to cut out the bad spots and insert
a piece of pipe nipple of the right size & a splotch of the right glue.


I haven't tried it exactly like that before. What I did was buy the
plastic straight connectors and use those.
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pro...86c498_300.jpg

Here is a page of different ones:
http://www.homedepot.com/Outdoors-Ga...searchNav=true

There are straight ones, T and L fittings, too, for the different size
tubing.
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On 6/27/2013 9:43 PM, Danny D. wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:13:23 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

I had to mess with ripping off wet tape


I'll try it, and report back...


This is kind of fun.. I'm rooting for you! haha

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:14:10 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

This is kind of fun.. I'm rooting for you! haha


Well, the first tape worked, sort of...
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13427252.jpg

Then, near nightfall, I wrapped it with electrical tape,
which again, worked sort of ...
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13427253.jpg

In both cases, the tape worked, but the water squeezed out at
the edges of where the tape was.

I think, if I used more (or better sticking) tape, it might
have sealed solid. As it is, I can see that I might get away
with a combination of plastic wrap and tape, on a dry hose,
so I'll need daylight to continue.

Interestingly, even with the leaks, I could hear a gurgling
sound deep in the bushes 300 feet from where I had taped, so,
I think this is the only major leak!

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:13:41 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

Here is a page of different ones:


Thanks for that pointer. I'll head on over to Home Depot and pick up
a few as I think all I need to do is repair this one major leak,
plus tie the tubing to the sprinkler, and, then, it should work.

I'll let you know how it goes - but it's too dark to do anything
tonight. (Had to work on the pool for hours - but that's another
story altogether.)



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On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 00:26:00 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
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QUESTION:
Do you think animals chewed up these tubes?
(Are they susceptible to animals chewing on them?)
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426670.jpg


Does the leak on the right look like it may have had a drip line in it
and perhaps came out (round hole) or is it a crack (parallel with the
poly)?

( I would rule out animals )
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If the hole is a circle, you might could just
plug it with hole plugs you can buy, too.


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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:36:40 -0700, Oren wrote:

I have large tress )Palm and African Sumac) and Foxtail grass.


Is this foxtail grass sprouting up all over my lawn?
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13430488.jpg

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On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:37:21 -0700, Oren wrote:

Does the leak on the right look like it may have had a drip line in it
and perhaps came out (round hole) or is it a crack (parallel with the
poly)?


Some are round holes, and others are cracks, yet others have multiple
puncture wounds, so, I'd say the line has been abused by rakes, high
water pressure (80psi) and animals.

One thing I noticed in the videos was that many people put a 30 psi
or even lower pressure regulator on their drip tubes.

Since my well system puts out 80psi, I should probably invest in one
of those - do you think?

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On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:15:17 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
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Is this foxtail grass sprouting up all over my lawn?
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13430488.jpg


Can't really tell. Your's kind of reminds of "sea oats", but they
only grow on coastal beach sand dunes. Best I know.

This is what I call foxtail.

http://www.koalanativeplants.com.au/.merchant/2056/images/pennAAAAA.jpg
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