Danny D. wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:14:10 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl
wrote:

This is kind of fun.. I'm rooting for you! haha

Well, the first tape worked, sort of...
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13427252.jpg

Then, near nightfall, I wrapped it with electrical tape,
which again, worked sort of ...
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13427253.jpg

In both cases, the tape worked, but the water squeezed out at
the edges of where the tape was.

yeah .. and if you aren't worried about it leaking like that you could just
leave it! ... after all the purpose of it is to leak/drip water at the root
area to water the plants anyway ... LOL

I think, if I used more (or better sticking) tape, it might
have sealed solid. As it is, I can see that I might get away
with a combination of plastic wrap and tape, on a dry hose,
so I'll need daylight to continue.

I'd be interested if you find something that doesn't leak.

Interestingly, even with the leaks, I could hear a gurgling
sound deep in the bushes 300 feet from where I had taped, so,
I think this is the only major leak!

cool!

--
Natural Girl //(**)\\

Danny D. wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:13:41 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl
wrote:

Here is a page of different ones:

Thanks for that pointer. I'll head on over to Home Depot and pick up
a few as I think all I need to do is repair this one major leak,
plus tie the tubing to the sprinkler, and, then, it should work.

smile buy extras! you'll eventually need them along with various
fittings that you don't really need now. I always buy extras so I won't have
to go back. Problem is, I never seen to buy the ones I actually NEED later
on! LOL

I'll let you know how it goes - but it's too dark to do anything
tonight. (Had to work on the pool for hours - but that's another
story altogether.)

Once upon a time we had a 27 foot above ground round pool. They do make for
interesting stories. I wish we still had it because it's been so hot here.

--
Natural Girl //(**)\\

On 6/27/2013 5:43 PM, Danny D. wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:53:42 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

I just cut that line off and ran new line that I could get to.

That may be the simplest answer, but, I still need to tie (somehow)
to the irrigation valves.

BTW, my tubes look like they were chewed on by an animal.

Do they hold up to animal teeth?

We have lots of coyote, quail, bunnies, deer, bobcats, squirrels, mice, etc.


no. i get javelina, deer, and packrat holes in mine frequently. i'm not
sure, but i think rabbits get to mine also, although i haven't caught
them at it.

On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:55:00 AM UTC-5, Danny D. wrote:
This drip irrigation setup for a tomato garden is all chewed up: http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13403753.jpg So I figured I'd replace it with something better. But what? One end is merely bent over and nailed to these boards: http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13403755.jpg And, the other end has this cryptic glued? connection: http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13403754.jpg I've never worked on drip irrigation before, so I picked up all sorts of 3/4" connections at the box stores: http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13403764.jpg At Home Depot, the guy told me that it's normal for the drip lines to simply push in, but this end seems to be really really stuck. Another elbow nearby has a NPT-to-Hose fitting on the end: http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13403769.jpg Would you suggest I simply cut the elbow off and start fresh by putting a garden-hose connection on a T fitting? Note: The plants are tomatoes, which are just now sprouting, so it has to be a gentle irrigation. I think a soaker hose may be too heavy - but I'm not sure what my options are.

27 foot above the ground pool is a damn deep pool, or did you mean 27 foot diameter, if so, how deep/tall was it????

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 00:40:09 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

It's a LOT of work to replace them, so, I am beginning to think
I will connect the bigger one to the irrigation valve which seems
to be feeding the missing end:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13426687.jpg

Is the poly connected to the valve directly or is it 3/4" PVC past the
box and then poly connected to the PVC?

I forget how mine is connected in the box, without looking.

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 00:59:43 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:29:10 -0700, Oren wrote:

Lesson learned. With fast set cement, insert the pipe into the
fitting, give it a quarter turn twist and hold for ~ 10-15 seconds.

It's amazing how the glue lubricates it so that the pipe fits on
perfectly, and, yet it wants to pop back out - so I agree with holding
it for a quarter minute or so.

Slow set cement; it is easy for the them to fail.

Yeah, but we need *that* stuff for fixing holes with just two
couplings and a center-pipe!

Or ... you use it in the four 90s method (which seems like overkill):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdYTg3oDKfU

Clever. I'd say not overkill in a tight place, as he made that point.

In a shallow trench this could be on the side; instead of on the top.

Note he also used the 1/4" shorter notion as Trader explained for an
inline repair and the photo you posted with couplings showing
Trader's thread.

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:17:39 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

One thing I noticed in the videos was that many people put a 30 psi
or even lower pressure regulator on their drip tubes.

Since my well system puts out 80psi, I should probably invest in one
of those - do you think?

Your call. Is the pump only for the irrigation lines?

On 6/28/2013 1:56 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:17:39 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

One thing I noticed in the videos was that many people put a 30 psi
or even lower pressure regulator on their drip tubes.

Since my well system puts out 80psi, I should probably invest in one
of those - do you think?

Your call. Is the pump only for the irrigation lines?


if the pressure is too low, the loss due to using 1/2" poly for such a
long length may be too high to get much pressure at the end.

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:26:43 -0700, Oren wrote:

Is the poly connected to the valve directly or is it 3/4" PVC past the
box and then poly connected to the PVC?

Well, I don't really know.

All I know, working backward, is that for "most" of the 300 foot
run, there is a 1/2" and a 5/8" poly pipe feeding the oleander:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13435747.jpg

Every once in a while, you can see them both on the surface:
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13435692.jpg

As those two poly tubes get within 30 or 40 feet of the irrigation
valves, they suddenly pop up out of ground (I had put the garden
hose connections on):
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13435751.jpg

I didn't dig up the irrigation valve, so, I have no idea how it's
hooked up, but, the 5/8" poly tubing which was broken at this point,
appears to continue along the oleander until it gets near the irrigation
valve. A foot away from the valve, it dives down, presumably to the
valve (which works, and sends water through the broken tubing):
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13435760.jpg

Note: I dug around for a half hour looking for where the 1/2" poly
tubing connects to the irrigation system - and finally gave up on that
endeavor. Also, I can't tell if there is a pressure regulator on the
valve itself, as it might be buried, for all I know.

I guess I should pick up a pressure tester for garden equipment, to
be sure.

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:59:34 -0500, Natural - Smoking Gun - Girl wrote:

I'd be interested if you find something that doesn't leak.

I *think* these are three possible solutions:
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13435769.jpg

a) Sticky tape (this is expensive $2/foot silicone tape that supposedly
only sticks to itself)

b) 39¢ plastic barbs (Ace didn't have any in the 5/8" size though)

c) $2 press-fit connectors

Note: Swap out "img" for "640" for a larger photo.

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:23:33 -0700, Oren wrote:

This is what I call foxtail.
http://www.koalanativeplants.com.au/.merchant/2056/images/pennAAAAA.jpg

Ah, I see. Similar, but probably different.

My "stuff" grows wild in balls dotted all over the place.
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13435770.jpg

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:04:48 -0700, chaniarts wrote:

i think rabbits get to mine also, although i haven't caught
them at it.

If I were a small mammal or rodent, and I saw dripping water under
a bush when it hasn't rained in six months, I'd use it as a water
fountain - and - if it were dry most of the time, I'd chew at it
too, in order to get a few more drops of water.

So, I guess I need to bury my line once I fix it.

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:56:58 -0700, Oren wrote:

Is the pump only for the irrigation lines?

Nope. There are two systems, separated by a huge backflow preventer
valve which pops up out of the ground in a reverse-U shape.

The first branch of well water feeds the irrigation and fire suppression
system; and then the second branch feeds the house.

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:26:05 -0700, chaniarts wrote:

if the pressure is too low, the loss due to using 1/2" poly for such a
long length may be too high to get much pressure at the end.

I would think my pressure is too high and it might be popping out the
1/4" feeder lines ...

On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 23:36:46 +0000, Danny D. wrote:

As for a more permanent fix, what do you think about me putting
one of these 3/4" slip-to-MHT (male hose thread?) fittings directly
onto the white-and-green part sticking out of the existing PVC elbow?
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13410696.jpg

UPDATE:

I took one of the simplest routes possible; just to see if it
would work.
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13435780.jpg

I glued a slip-to-MHT (male hose thread) directly onto the tubing
friction fitting, using lots of the PVC solvent (since it was a
loose fit, probably because God never intended me to glue a fitting
on the outside of the tubing friction fitting):
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13435779.jpg

Mostly I did it this way because, if the tubing press fitting isn't
actually made of PVC, and if it therefore fails, I'll just cut it all
off and, by doing so, only lose one fitting in the test.

Interestingly, using normal PVC primer & glue, it *seems* to be
holding up.

Note: Substitute "img" for "640" for larger photos.

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 04:01:41 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

Also, I can't tell if there is a pressure regulator on the
valve itself, as it might be buried, for all I know.

I don't know the valve brand, but *generally* speaking, the various
ones I've worked with can be adjusted to reduce pressure on the lines.

See step 2: (Adjust to a Lower Setting)

See step 3: (Adjust the Sprinkler Valve) drip lines in your case.

http://www.doityourself.com/stry/how-to-adjust-a-sprinkler-valve#.Uc78Rx7n-1s

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 04:07:51 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:23:33 -0700, Oren wrote:

This is what I call foxtail.
http://www.koalanativeplants.com.au/.merchant/2056/images/pennAAAAA.jpg

Ah, I see. Similar, but probably different.

My "stuff" grows wild in balls dotted all over the place.
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...0/13435770.jpg

Do they get the soft "plumes" in the spring or are they always the
same, as in your photo?

Chances are yours will have a reasonably shallow root ball. Easy to
remove if they bother you.

A local nursery will gladly help you identify them.

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 04:11:37 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:56:58 -0700, Oren wrote:

Is the pump only for the irrigation lines?

Nope. There are two systems, separated by a huge backflow preventer
valve which pops up out of the ground in a reverse-U shape.

The first branch of well water feeds the irrigation and fire suppression
system; and then the second branch feeds the house.

Your system is unique.

I suspect you want to keep high pressure on the line for fire
suppression. Adjust the irrigation lines at the valve control box.

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 04:26:27 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:


Note: Substitute "img" for "640" for larger photos.

I'm not presented with that option. I just get the photo. I can use
the browser to zoom to 400% though.

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:45:46 -0700, Oren wrote:

Do they get the soft "plumes" in the spring or are they always the
same, as in your photo?

I think so. They have long tufts that eventually fall off.
I don't bother removing them because they don't hurt anything.

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:57:06 -0700, Oren wrote:

Note: Substitute "img" for "640" for larger photos.

I'm not presented with that option. I just get the photo. I can use
the browser to zoom to 400% though.

Lucky you. What nntp client are you using?
Mine (Pan) just shows the URL. Nothing else.
So I have to click on each and every photo to see them.

Maybe I should switch nntp clients to what you're using.

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:12:07 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:45:46 -0700, Oren wrote:

Do they get the soft "plumes" in the spring or are they always the
same, as in your photo?

I think so. They have long tufts that eventually fall off.
I don't bother removing them because they don't hurt anything.

This type of grass is great for landscape. A drip line is all you
need. Speaking for foxtail grass.

(Mohave Desert 117 degree F today!!!!!!!)

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:16:04 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:57:06 -0700, Oren wrote:

Note: Substitute "img" for "640" for larger photos.

I'm not presented with that option. I just get the photo. I can use
the browser to zoom to 400% though.

Lucky you. What nntp client are you using?
Mine (Pan) just shows the URL. Nothing else.
So I have to click on each and every photo to see them.

Maybe I should switch nntp clients to what you're using.

WIN 7 HP, IE-10.x

...or my keyboard or mouse that has a zoom.

Nothin' having to do with the NNTP client - open the link!

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:01:21 -0700, Oren wrote:

(Mohave Desert 117 degree F today!!!!!!!)

Yikes. It was only about 95 or so here in the Silicon Valley, and
*that* is blazing hot (for us)!

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:11:25 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:16:04 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:57:06 -0700, Oren wrote:

Note: Substitute "img" for "640" for larger photos.

I'm not presented with that option. I just get the photo. I can use
the browser to zoom to 400% though.

Lucky you. What nntp client are you using?
Mine (Pan) just shows the URL. Nothing else.
So I have to click on each and every photo to see them.

Maybe I should switch nntp clients to what you're using.

WIN 7 HP, IE-10.x


amended to answer

My client is Forte Agent... launch the browser from the link in the
thread.

..or my keyboard or mouse that has a zoom.

Nothin' having to do with the NNTP client - open the link!

Yes. I wasn't clear in my reply.

On Sun, 30 Jun 2013 05:28:39 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:01:21 -0700, Oren wrote:

(Mohave Desert 117 degree F today!!!!!!!)

Yikes. It was only about 95 or so here in the Silicon Valley, and
*that* is blazing hot (for us)!

Current events:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/weather

On 6/28/2013 9:12 PM, Danny D. wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:26:05 -0700, chaniarts wrote:

if the pressure is too low, the loss due to using 1/2" poly for such a
long length may be too high to get much pressure at the end.

I would think my pressure is too high and it might be popping out the
1/4" feeder lines ...


there are barbed fittings that go into the 1/2 tube, where you then
attach the 1/4 line to that fitting. so no, i've never seen high
pressure affect these connections.

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:45:46 -0700, Oren wrote:

Do they get the soft "plumes" in the spring or are they always the
same, as in your photo?

Here is a picture I snapped today of the grass that might be foxtail:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3715/9...512dbde4_c.jpg

There *are* "plumes" and the grass grows in clumps.

They're kind of blue, when well watered - but not when not.
(My sprinklers are not fully working yet ... but I'm working on them
as we speak.)

PS: Picturepush seems to now require registration, so, I'm trying
flickr instead.

On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 10:36:18 -0700, chaniarts wrote:

no, i've never seen high
pressure affect these connections.

Thanks for that advice.

I have two areas of this poly tubing (both in sad shape).

1. A short strip of Oleander about 300 feet long.
2. Small garden plots, about 10 feet long by 4 feet wide.

What my plan is, is:

For the Oleander, I'll just connect the 300 feet of 5/8" tubing
to the existing 30 feet of 5/8" tubing which is already connected
to a working sprinkler station.

Then, I will see about connecting the 300 feet of 1/2" tubing,
which doesn't appear (yet) to be tied to anything that I can find.

For the garden plots, which both now have MHT male hose threads,
when the wife isn't looking, I'll rig up a "ladder" of something.

That something will be either soaker hose or drilled pvc pipe,
or poly tubing (but I prefer the first two because they're stronger).

When/if I get that project done, I will update the team!

On Mon, 1 Jul 2013 19:36:28 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:45:46 -0700, Oren wrote:

Do they get the soft "plumes" in the spring or are they always the
same, as in your photo?

Here is a picture I snapped today of the grass that might be foxtail:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3715/9...512dbde4_c.jpg

There *are* "plumes" and the grass grows in clumps.

They're kind of blue, when well watered - but not when not.
(My sprinklers are not fully working yet ... but I'm working on them
as we speak.)

PS: Picturepush seems to now require registration, so, I'm trying
flickr instead.

Definitely an ornamental grass. Which variety is a WAG.

This is "Blue Fescue"...

http://www.greengatefarms.com/_ccLib/image/plants/DETA-242.jpg

Another aka Blue Foxtail Fescue

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000vQwCsGQLRFM/s/750/750/Festuca-glauca-Blaufuchs-G017342.jpg