Back in the late 90's it appeared that the daily newspaper was a dying
thing. People could go online and read the news on multiple sites.
This was true, and I found myself going in that direction. There were
web sites that had the same text and photos as the paper. Some even had
the cartoons. For awhile, I continued to get the newspaper as well as
reading it online. Somewhere around 2003, I decided that it did not
make sense to pay for the newspaper, which I was not reading very often
anymore. I cancelled it. For a few years I would read the news online,
and felt that was all I needed. However, in the last few years I've
been noticing more and more that the news media websites have become so
cluttered with useless garbage and ads that I was spending hours trying
to get the latest news, and often left their sites feeling aggravated.

These sites are no longer like a newspaper. They are a massive clutter
of trash, with bits and pieces of the news scattered in between. How
many damn videos are needed to address a news story anyhow? And why all
the flash content that takes quite awhile to load, occasionally causes
my browser to crash, and becomes very annoying more often than now, when
things are bouncing around on the page and popups and other useless
jink, not to mention that the pages are at least half advertising, and
clicking on something that appears to be news, is really ads. Then too,
how many goddamn facebook and twitter icons do they really need on each
page.

I've had it with the internet media sites. I just returned to getting
my daily newspaper, and am very pleased. I can sit back and relax while
reading the news, weather and sports, and even enjoy a few cartoons,
without being bombarded with trash and other annoyances. Sure the paper
costs a few bucks each week, but I have to take into consideration that
electricity to run the computer costs money too, not to mention having
to constantly upgrade the computer and install new browsers and software
just to keep up with all this useless garbage they flood their sites
with. After all, time is money too, and even if the upgrades dont cost
anything, it takes time to keep installing the software and learning to
use it. Yet, in the end, who needs it. A newspaper is pretty simple.
It's a text news story, and some photos to back up the text. Then
there's some advetising, and that's it. Whatever happened to the simple
websites that looked like a newspaper?

Then again, it dont stop there. The entire internet has become a
massive pile of garbage. Websites that used to offer content, now are
filled with trash. The newsgroups are dying fast, which means soon, we
will only have that repulsive facebook and twitter to say what we want
to say, and only a huge mass of garbage for websites.

Considering what I've spent for computers, software, electricity to run
them, and many many hours of my time, the cost of a newspaper is cheap
in comparison. And better yet, I can sit back and read the newspaper
without it poping up and telling me my browser is outdated and I need to
install another version of adobe flash, or finding bad page rendering,
where the text is on top of a photo, etc.....

Maybe the old ways were better.......

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:34:34 -0600, wrote:



Considering what I've spent for computers, software, electricity to run
them, and many many hours of my time, the cost of a newspaper is cheap
in comparison. And better yet, I can sit back and read the newspaper
without it poping up and telling me my browser is outdated and I need to
install another version of adobe flash, or finding bad page rendering,
where the text is on top of a photo, etc.....

Maybe the old ways were better.......

And you don't need a Wi-Fi connection in the bathroom to read it.

I considered stopping it after the last price increase, but after
complaining they made me a deal. I've read the paper version all of
my life and prefer it.

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:34:34 -0600, wrote:

Back in the late 90's it appeared that the daily newspaper was a dying
thing. People could go online and read the news on multiple sites.


Maybe the old ways were better.......


If you only use the computer to read news I might at least consider
your opinion, otherwise not. I do several things on mine and while
it does require upkeep on occasion and can be a pain (sounds like my
wife too), I prefer to read my news on the net. I only get a Sunday
newspaper because of my wife but she is starting to read on the net
too.

On 11/19/2012 4:34 AM, wrote:
Back in the late 90's it appeared that the daily newspaper was a dying
thing. People could go online and read the news on multiple sites.
This was true, and I found myself going in that direction. There were
web sites that had the same text and photos as the paper. Some even had
the cartoons. For awhile, I continued to get the newspaper as well as
reading it online. Somewhere around 2003, I decided that it did not
make sense to pay for the newspaper, which I was not reading very often
anymore. I cancelled it. For a few years I would read the news online,
and felt that was all I needed. However, in the last few years I've
been noticing more and more that the news media websites have become so
cluttered with useless garbage and ads that I was spending hours trying
to get the latest news, and often left their sites feeling aggravated.

These sites are no longer like a newspaper. They are a massive clutter
of trash, with bits and pieces of the news scattered in between. How
many damn videos are needed to address a news story anyhow? And why all
the flash content that takes quite awhile to load, occasionally causes
my browser to crash, and becomes very annoying more often than now, when
things are bouncing around on the page and popups and other useless
jink, not to mention that the pages are at least half advertising, and
clicking on something that appears to be news, is really ads. Then too,
how many goddamn facebook and twitter icons do they really need on each
page.

I've had it with the internet media sites. I just returned to getting
my daily newspaper, and am very pleased. I can sit back and relax while
reading the news, weather and sports, and even enjoy a few cartoons,
without being bombarded with trash and other annoyances. Sure the paper
costs a few bucks each week, but I have to take into consideration that
electricity to run the computer costs money too, not to mention having
to constantly upgrade the computer and install new browsers and software
just to keep up with all this useless garbage they flood their sites
with. After all, time is money too, and even if the upgrades dont cost
anything, it takes time to keep installing the software and learning to
use it. Yet, in the end, who needs it. A newspaper is pretty simple.
It's a text news story, and some photos to back up the text. Then
there's some advetising, and that's it. Whatever happened to the simple
websites that looked like a newspaper?

Then again, it dont stop there. The entire internet has become a
massive pile of garbage. Websites that used to offer content, now are
filled with trash. The newsgroups are dying fast, which means soon, we
will only have that repulsive facebook and twitter to say what we want
to say, and only a huge mass of garbage for websites.

Considering what I've spent for computers, software, electricity to run
them, and many many hours of my time, the cost of a newspaper is cheap
in comparison. And better yet, I can sit back and read the newspaper
without it poping up and telling me my browser is outdated and I need to
install another version of adobe flash, or finding bad page rendering,
where the text is on top of a photo, etc.....

Maybe the old ways were better.......


I tried lining the bottom of the birdcage with my roommate's laptop
but....... O_o

TDD

Thanks, one of my rare laughs.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

Maybe the old ways were better.......


I tried lining the bottom of the birdcage with my roommate's laptop
but....... O_o

TDD

On 11/19/2012 5:34 AM, wrote:
Then again, it dont stop there. The entire internet has become a
massive pile of garbage. Websites that used to offer content, now are
filled with trash. The newsgroups are dying fast, which means soon, we
will only have that repulsive facebook and twitter to say what we want
to say, and only a huge mass of garbage for websites.

+1,000,000

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:35:34 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Thanks, one of my rare laughs.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

Maybe the old ways were better.......


I tried lining the bottom of the birdcage with my roommate's laptop
but....... O_o

TDD



Heck, you just didn't use enough laptops g.

On 11/19/2012 4:34 AM, wrote:
Back in the late 90's it appeared that the daily newspaper was a dying
thing. People could go o
websites that looked like a newspaper?

Then again, it dont stop there. The entire internet has become a
massive pile of garbage. Websites that used to offer content, now are
filled with trash. The newsgroups are dying fast, which means soon, we
will only have that repulsive facebook and twitter to say what we want
to say, and only a huge mass of garbage for websites.


One must learn to filter out the male bovine droppings from the truth. O_o

TDD

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:56:03 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:


Then again, it dont stop there. The entire internet has become a
massive pile of garbage. Websites that used to offer content, now are
filled with trash. The newsgroups are dying fast, which means soon, we
will only have that repulsive facebook and twitter to say what we want
to say, and only a huge mass of garbage for websites.


One must learn to filter out the male bovine droppings from the truth. O_o

TDD

Kind of ironic the OP complains, snivels and bitches about the
Internet and Usenet, while practicing his frequent nym-shifting and
trolling.

Aside from violating his terms agreement with his NNTP server.

Spit!

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:53:27 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

I've read the paper version all of
my life and prefer it.

I read the paper before my neighbor wakes up :-\ No wait.

Actually, he tosses the daily over the fence everyday. Cost is
nothing. I just have more paper to recycle.

On Nov 19, 5:34*am, wrote:
The entire internet has become a
massive pile of garbage. *Websites that used to offer content, now are
filled with trash. *The newsgroups are dying fast, which means soon, we
will only have that repulsive facebook and twitter to say what we want
to say, and only a huge mass of garbage for websites.

No ironymeter can withstand your assault.
-----

- gpsman

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:55:49 -0600, Doug
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:34:34 -0600, wrote:

Back in the late 90's it appeared that the daily newspaper was a dying
thing. People could go online and read the news on multiple sites.


Maybe the old ways were better.......


If you only use the computer to read news I might at least consider
your opinion, otherwise not. I do several things on mine and while
it does require upkeep on occasion and can be a pain (sounds like my
wife too), I prefer to read my news on the net. I only get a Sunday
newspaper because of my wife but she is starting to read on the net
too.

I use my computer for other stuff besides the news, but I'm only
speaking of using the internet, not the computer itself.

I only use the internet to do email and occasionally look up a subject,
for example, when I'm fixing my car and want to look up how to do the
repair, or what type of fluid goes in the gear case, etc. Occasionally
there may be another subject. Other than that, I read a few newsgroups,
and bring up the local weather radar maps. That's it.

Back in the 90's I had fun on the internet. It's not fun anymore. It's
downright aggravating most of the time, trying to find some useful
content in a pile of rubbish. Even trying to do some research on a car
repair or something like that is a huge struggle to find sites that
actually have information, reather than those fake sites that try to
lure a person there and are filled with nothing but ads, or want me to
pay for the info, or register to read it. I refuse to pay, and refuse
to register to read a damn article.

Af for social interaction with others, it seems that it's all about
facebook these days, and that is nothing but a bunch of immature punks,
while FB itself is monitoring everything we do and say. I wouldn't use
FB even if they offerred to pay me for it.

As for upgrading, my oldest computer with Windows98 and my newest one
with XP, both do everything else (non-internet) perfectly. I can watch
movies, play music, edit photos, do accounting, type letters, and much
more. It's just the internet stuff that keeps demanding upgrades.

Once usenet is dead, which wont be long, I'll probably cancel my
internet service. I can get email and weather radar maps on my
cellphone, and in the rare occasion that I need repair info for my car,
I can go to a WIFI spot with my laptop. The internet overall is a dying
thing except that horrid facebook.

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:45:16 -0600, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:55:49 -0600, Doug
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:34:34 -0600, wrote:

Back in the late 90's it appeared that the daily newspaper was a dying
thing. People could go online and read the news on multiple sites.


Maybe the old ways were better.......


If you only use the computer to read news I might at least consider
your opinion, otherwise not. I do several things on mine and while
it does require upkeep on occasion and can be a pain (sounds like my
wife too), I prefer to read my news on the net. I only get a Sunday
newspaper because of my wife but she is starting to read on the net
too.

I use my computer for other stuff besides the news, but I'm only
speaking of using the internet, not the computer itself.

I only use the internet to do email and occasionally look up a subject,
for example, when I'm fixing my car and want to look up how to do the
repair, or what type of fluid goes in the gear case, etc. Occasionally
there may be another subject. Other than that, I read a few newsgroups,
and bring up the local weather radar maps. That's it.

Back in the 90's I had fun on the internet. It's not fun anymore. It's
downright aggravating most of the time, trying to find some useful
content in a pile of rubbish. Even trying to do some research on a car
repair or something like that is a huge struggle to find sites that
actually have information, reather than those fake sites that try to
lure a person there and are filled with nothing but ads, or want me to
pay for the info, or register to read it. I refuse to pay, and refuse
to register to read a damn article.

Af for social interaction with others, it seems that it's all about
facebook these days, and that is nothing but a bunch of immature punks,
while FB itself is monitoring everything we do and say. I wouldn't use
FB even if they offerred to pay me for it.

As for upgrading, my oldest computer with Windows98 and my newest one
with XP, both do everything else (non-internet) perfectly. I can watch
movies, play music, edit photos, do accounting, type letters, and much
more. It's just the internet stuff that keeps demanding upgrades.

Once usenet is dead, which wont be long, I'll probably cancel my
internet service. I can get email and weather radar maps on my
cellphone, and in the rare occasion that I need repair info for my car,
I can go to a WIFI spot with my laptop. The internet overall is a dying
thing except that horrid facebook.


I may not agree 100% but I see where you are coming from and admit you
make valid points. Actually my daughter for other reasons does as you
want... just uses her cell phone for internet tho she has a laptop and
only uses it for internet when she comes to visit us. I find my cell
phone a bit small and slow to use regularly for internet browsing even
tho it's 4G and not that old. I guess for now, I'll stick with my
internet service at home.

wrote:
Back in the late 90's it appeared that the daily newspaper was a dying
thing. People could go online and read the news on multiple sites.
This was true, and I found myself going in that direction. There were
web sites that had the same text and photos as the paper. Some even had
the cartoons. For awhile, I continued to get the newspaper as well as
reading it online. Somewhere around 2003, I decided that it did not
make sense to pay for the newspaper, which I was not reading very often
anymore. I cancelled it. For a few years I would read the news online,
and felt that was all I needed. However, in the last few years I've
been noticing more and more that the news media websites have become so
cluttered with useless garbage and ads that I was spending hours trying
to get the latest news, and often left their sites feeling aggravated.

These sites are no longer like a newspaper. They are a massive clutter
of trash, with bits and pieces of the news scattered in between. How
many damn videos are needed to address a news story anyhow? And why all
the flash content that takes quite awhile to load, occasionally causes
my browser to crash, and becomes very annoying more often than now, when
things are bouncing around on the page and popups and other useless
jink, not to mention that the pages are at least half advertising, and
clicking on something that appears to be news, is really ads. Then too,
how many goddamn facebook and twitter icons do they really need on each
page.

I've had it with the internet media sites. I just returned to getting
my daily newspaper, and am very pleased. I can sit back and relax while
reading the news, weather and sports, and even enjoy a few cartoons,
without being bombarded with trash and other annoyances. Sure the paper
costs a few bucks each week, but I have to take into consideration that
electricity to run the computer costs money too, not to mention having
to constantly upgrade the computer and install new browsers and software
just to keep up with all this useless garbage they flood their sites
with. After all, time is money too, and even if the upgrades dont cost
anything, it takes time to keep installing the software and learning to
use it. Yet, in the end, who needs it. A newspaper is pretty simple.
It's a text news story, and some photos to back up the text. Then
there's some advetising, and that's it. Whatever happened to the simple
websites that looked like a newspaper?

Then again, it dont stop there. The entire internet has become a
massive pile of garbage. Websites that used to offer content, now are
filled with trash. The newsgroups are dying fast, which means soon, we
will only have that repulsive facebook and twitter to say what we want
to say, and only a huge mass of garbage for websites.

Considering what I've spent for computers, software, electricity to run
them, and many many hours of my time, the cost of a newspaper is cheap
in comparison. And better yet, I can sit back and read the newspaper
without it poping up and telling me my browser is outdated and I need to
install another version of adobe flash, or finding bad page rendering,
where the text is on top of a photo, etc.....

Maybe the old ways were better.......

Where I live, the print media is terminal. The one local paper left is
full of ads and has few news articles, and those are poorly written. A
number of nationally known papers have moved to the internet and stopped
their paper editions.

And you are correct in noting that the online newspapers are containing
more and more ads that pop up over whatever you are reading, with an ad
that is often targeted directly at you. Many papers now want money to
access their online editions. One I read recently put a limit on how
many articles you can read (10 per month)without subscribing. They
usually do this with a cookie, so you can get around it by removing the
cookie, but I'm sure they will be working on something that is more
effective.

I read six or seven papers a day online, not that I buy what they are
writing, but it is interesting to see how their biases affect their
reporting of the same story. I couldn't afford to subscribe to all
those papers in the print edition, and they couldn't deliver them to me
as quickly as they can online, so there remain some advantages to using
the internet to keep up on the news.

The internet is changing, and is not the free ride we have been used to.
My feeling is that their selling ads is a way for them to stay in
business, and my having to work around those ads is a small price for me
to pay to get my news. One thing that irks me is that the ads change so
frequently; if I find a page with an article that I like and an ad that
interests me, if I read the article to the end (often on second and
third pages), then go back to the original page to read the ad, it will
no longer be there, having been replaced by another.

I thought usenet would die when all the ISPs stopped offering it, but it
has managed to survive as I think the internet does not often offer a
similar service. But I think also that the only people using usenet are
old-timers who are hanging on. Younger people do not even know it is
there. None of my kids, all adults now, knows about usenet.

In article ,
says...

And why all
the flash content that takes quite awhile to load...


Turn off or disable some or all of the "add-on's" in the browser (like
flash). Web sites load a LOT faster!

On 11/19/2012 9:00 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/19/2012 4:34 AM, wrote:
Back in the late 90's it appeared that the daily newspaper was a dying
thing. People could go online and read the news on multiple sites.
This was true, and I found myself going in that direction. There were
web sites that had the same text and photos as the paper. Some even had
the cartoons. For awhile, I continued to get the newspaper as well as
reading it online. Somewhere around 2003, I decided that it did not
make sense to pay for the newspaper, which I was not reading very often
anymore. I cancelled it. For a few years I would read the news online,
and felt that was all I needed. However, in the last few years I've
been noticing more and more that the news media websites have become so
cluttered with useless garbage and ads that I was spending hours trying
to get the latest news, and often left their sites feeling aggravated.

These sites are no longer like a newspaper. They are a massive clutter
of trash, with bits and pieces of the news scattered in between. How
many damn videos are needed to address a news story anyhow? And why all
the flash content that takes quite awhile to load, occasionally causes
my browser to crash, and becomes very annoying more often than now, when
things are bouncing around on the page and popups and other useless
jink, not to mention that the pages are at least half advertising, and
clicking on something that appears to be news, is really ads. Then too,
how many goddamn facebook and twitter icons do they really need on each
page.

I've had it with the internet media sites. I just returned to getting
my daily newspaper, and am very pleased. I can sit back and relax while
reading the news, weather and sports, and even enjoy a few cartoons,
without being bombarded with trash and other annoyances. Sure the paper
costs a few bucks each week, but I have to take into consideration that
electricity to run the computer costs money too, not to mention having
to constantly upgrade the computer and install new browsers and software
just to keep up with all this useless garbage they flood their sites
with. After all, time is money too, and even if the upgrades dont cost
anything, it takes time to keep installing the software and learning to
use it. Yet, in the end, who needs it. A newspaper is pretty simple.
It's a text news story, and some photos to back up the text. Then
there's some advetising, and that's it. Whatever happened to the simple
websites that looked like a newspaper?

Then again, it dont stop there. The entire internet has become a
massive pile of garbage. Websites that used to offer content, now are
filled with trash. The newsgroups are dying fast, which means soon, we
will only have that repulsive facebook and twitter to say what we want
to say, and only a huge mass of garbage for websites.

Considering what I've spent for computers, software, electricity to run
them, and many many hours of my time, the cost of a newspaper is cheap
in comparison. And better yet, I can sit back and read the newspaper
without it poping up and telling me my browser is outdated and I need to
install another version of adobe flash, or finding bad page rendering,
where the text is on top of a photo, etc.....

Maybe the old ways were better.......


I tried lining the bottom of the birdcage with my roommate's laptop
but....... O_o

TDD

Maybe an iPad is more suitable. When the bird poops on it, it will play
an iTune.

On 11/20/2012 12:42 PM, Frank wrote:
On 11/19/2012 9:00 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/19/2012 4:34 AM, wrote:
Back in the late 90's it appeared that the daily newspaper was a dying
thing. People could go online and read the news on multiple sites.
This was true, and I found myself going in that direction. There were
web sites that had the same text and photos as the paper. Some even had
the cartoons. For awhile, I continued to get the newspaper as well as
reading it online. Somewhere around 2003, I decided that it did not
make sense to pay for the newspaper, which I was not reading very often
anymore. I cancelled it. For a few years I would read the news online,
and felt that was all I needed. However, in the last few years I've
been noticing more and more that the news media websites have become so
cluttered with useless garbage and ads that I was spending hours trying
to get the latest news, and often left their sites feeling aggravated.

These sites are no longer like a newspaper. They are a massive clutter
of trash, with bits and pieces of the news scattered in between. How
many damn videos are needed to address a news story anyhow? And why all
the flash content that takes quite awhile to load, occasionally causes
my browser to crash, and becomes very annoying more often than now, when
things are bouncing around on the page and popups and other useless
jink, not to mention that the pages are at least half advertising, and
clicking on something that appears to be news, is really ads. Then too,
how many goddamn facebook and twitter icons do they really need on each
page.

I've had it with the internet media sites. I just returned to getting
my daily newspaper, and am very pleased. I can sit back and relax while
reading the news, weather and sports, and even enjoy a few cartoons,
without being bombarded with trash and other annoyances. Sure the paper
costs a few bucks each week, but I have to take into consideration that
electricity to run the computer costs money too, not to mention having
to constantly upgrade the computer and install new browsers and software
just to keep up with all this useless garbage they flood their sites
with. After all, time is money too, and even if the upgrades dont cost
anything, it takes time to keep installing the software and learning to
use it. Yet, in the end, who needs it. A newspaper is pretty simple.
It's a text news story, and some photos to back up the text. Then
there's some advetising, and that's it. Whatever happened to the simple
websites that looked like a newspaper?

Then again, it dont stop there. The entire internet has become a
massive pile of garbage. Websites that used to offer content, now are
filled with trash. The newsgroups are dying fast, which means soon, we
will only have that repulsive facebook and twitter to say what we want
to say, and only a huge mass of garbage for websites.

Considering what I've spent for computers, software, electricity to run
them, and many many hours of my time, the cost of a newspaper is cheap
in comparison. And better yet, I can sit back and read the newspaper
without it poping up and telling me my browser is outdated and I need to
install another version of adobe flash, or finding bad page rendering,
where the text is on top of a photo, etc.....

Maybe the old ways were better.......


I tried lining the bottom of the birdcage with my roommate's laptop
but....... O_o

TDD

Maybe an iPad is more suitable. When the bird poops on it, it will play
an iTune.

Perhaps it could be programed to "Tweet" when that occurs? There must be
an app for that? ^_^

TDD

On 11/20/2012 2:31 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/20/2012 12:42 PM, Frank wrote:
On 11/19/2012 9:00 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/19/2012 4:34 AM, wrote:
Back in the late 90's it appeared that the daily newspaper was a dying
thing. People could go online and read the news on multiple sites.
This was true, and I found myself going in that direction. There were
web sites that had the same text and photos as the paper. Some even
had
the cartoons. For awhile, I continued to get the newspaper as well as
reading it online. Somewhere around 2003, I decided that it did not
make sense to pay for the newspaper, which I was not reading very often
anymore. I cancelled it. For a few years I would read the news
online,
and felt that was all I needed. However, in the last few years I've
been noticing more and more that the news media websites have become so
cluttered with useless garbage and ads that I was spending hours trying
to get the latest news, and often left their sites feeling aggravated.

These sites are no longer like a newspaper. They are a massive clutter
of trash, with bits and pieces of the news scattered in between. How
many damn videos are needed to address a news story anyhow? And why
all
the flash content that takes quite awhile to load, occasionally causes
my browser to crash, and becomes very annoying more often than now,
when
things are bouncing around on the page and popups and other useless
jink, not to mention that the pages are at least half advertising, and
clicking on something that appears to be news, is really ads. Then
too,
how many goddamn facebook and twitter icons do they really need on each
page.

I've had it with the internet media sites. I just returned to getting
my daily newspaper, and am very pleased. I can sit back and relax
while
reading the news, weather and sports, and even enjoy a few cartoons,
without being bombarded with trash and other annoyances. Sure the
paper
costs a few bucks each week, but I have to take into consideration that
electricity to run the computer costs money too, not to mention having
to constantly upgrade the computer and install new browsers and
software
just to keep up with all this useless garbage they flood their sites
with. After all, time is money too, and even if the upgrades dont cost
anything, it takes time to keep installing the software and learning to
use it. Yet, in the end, who needs it. A newspaper is pretty simple.
It's a text news story, and some photos to back up the text. Then
there's some advetising, and that's it. Whatever happened to the
simple
websites that looked like a newspaper?

Then again, it dont stop there. The entire internet has become a
massive pile of garbage. Websites that used to offer content, now are
filled with trash. The newsgroups are dying fast, which means soon, we
will only have that repulsive facebook and twitter to say what we want
to say, and only a huge mass of garbage for websites.

Considering what I've spent for computers, software, electricity to run
them, and many many hours of my time, the cost of a newspaper is cheap
in comparison. And better yet, I can sit back and read the newspaper
without it poping up and telling me my browser is outdated and I
need to
install another version of adobe flash, or finding bad page rendering,
where the text is on top of a photo, etc.....

Maybe the old ways were better.......


I tried lining the bottom of the birdcage with my roommate's laptop
but....... O_o

TDD

Maybe an iPad is more suitable. When the bird poops on it, it will play
an iTune.

Perhaps it could be programed to "Tweet" when that occurs? There must be
an app for that? ^_^

TDD

Damn it! Now you got me started:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzXM58qR1Es

http://jokideo.com/a-dell-rolling-in-the-deep/

http://www.viralviralvideos.com/2012...cutting-board/

On 11/19/2012 4:34 AM, wrote:

Maybe the old ways were better.......


"Now get the hell off of my lawn!"

On 11-20-2012 11:49, Notat Home wrote:
They usually do this with a cookie, so you can get around it by removing
the cookie, but I'm sure they will be working on something that is more
effective.

Already know ways to control it. But not worth the trouble as long as
90% of the victims keep taking the cookies and the Kool-Aid.

--
Wes Groleau

Why does everyone call it a €œfanny pack" ?
When was the last time you saw one on a fanny?

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:09:32 -0600, Doug
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:45:16 -0600, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:55:49 -0600, Doug
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:34:34 -0600, wrote:

Back in the late 90's it appeared that the daily newspaper was a dying
thing. People could go online and read the news on multiple sites.


Maybe the old ways were better.......


If you only use the computer to read news I might at least consider
your opinion, otherwise not. I do several things on mine and while
it does require upkeep on occasion and can be a pain (sounds like my
wife too), I prefer to read my news on the net. I only get a Sunday
newspaper because of my wife but she is starting to read on the net
too.

I use my computer for other stuff besides the news, but I'm only
speaking of using the internet, not the computer itself.

I only use the internet to do email and occasionally look up a subject,
for example, when I'm fixing my car and want to look up how to do the
repair, or what type of fluid goes in the gear case, etc. Occasionally
there may be another subject. Other than that, I read a few newsgroups,
and bring up the local weather radar maps. That's it.

Back in the 90's I had fun on the internet. It's not fun anymore. It's
downright aggravating most of the time, trying to find some useful
content in a pile of rubbish. Even trying to do some research on a car
repair or something like that is a huge struggle to find sites that
actually have information, reather than those fake sites that try to
lure a person there and are filled with nothing but ads, or want me to
pay for the info, or register to read it. I refuse to pay, and refuse
to register to read a damn article.

Af for social interaction with others, it seems that it's all about
facebook these days, and that is nothing but a bunch of immature punks,
while FB itself is monitoring everything we do and say. I wouldn't use
FB even if they offerred to pay me for it.

As for upgrading, my oldest computer with Windows98 and my newest one
with XP, both do everything else (non-internet) perfectly. I can watch
movies, play music, edit photos, do accounting, type letters, and much
more. It's just the internet stuff that keeps demanding upgrades.

Once usenet is dead, which wont be long, I'll probably cancel my
internet service. I can get email and weather radar maps on my
cellphone, and in the rare occasion that I need repair info for my car,
I can go to a WIFI spot with my laptop. The internet overall is a dying
thing except that horrid facebook.


I may not agree 100% but I see where you are coming from and admit you
make valid points. Actually my daughter for other reasons does as you
want... just uses her cell phone for internet tho she has a laptop and
only uses it for internet when she comes to visit us. I find my cell
phone a bit small and slow to use regularly for internet browsing even
tho it's 4G and not that old. I guess for now, I'll stick with my
internet service at home.

I do agree it's hard to read those small screens on cellphones. But for
a weather radar map, they are ok. And for email, as long as the email
is text only, they work fine. I cant read most other websites on a
small screen though.

Most young people dont even use email anymore. Everything goes on
Facebook. That thought scares me. Like I want everyone to know that I
woke up with a stomach ache, or my wife had her menstral cycle today.
Then again, most of what these kids post on there is meaningless anyhow.
I was recently in a bar, and the crowd was mostly 21 to 30. All night
they sat there testing each other and taking photos of each other and
posting them on FB. WTF???? Why cant they just talk to each other in
the bar? I did not stay long......

I dont understand this young generation, and in many ways, I dont want
to. I still remember the early days of the internet, when people went
to geocities and made a simple website to share about themselves or
their business or hobby. I enjoyed that. Today there is no such thing,
just the commercial sites and FB. It's sad what the internet has
become!

On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:49:02 -0500, Notat Home wrote:

I thought usenet would die when all the ISPs stopped offering it, but it
has managed to survive as I think the internet does not often offer a
similar service. But I think also that the only people using usenet are
old-timers who are hanging on. Younger people do not even know it is
there. None of my kids, all adults now, knows about usenet.

I agree that usenet is mostly older people. But at least 90% of the
groups are dead. That's the reason that the surviving groups, such as
alt.home.repair have more off topic posts, such as this one, because the
appropriate groups are dead. I have asked young people if they use
"newsgroups" or "usenet". You're right, none of them know what that
means..... But they sure try to get people like me to join their (BARF)
Facebook!!!! No Thanks!

On 11/20/2012 11:57 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:49:02 -0500, Notat Home wrote:

I thought usenet would die when all the ISPs stopped offering it, but it
has managed to survive as I think the internet does not often offer a
similar service. But I think also that the only people using usenet are
old-timers who are hanging on. Younger people do not even know it is
there. None of my kids, all adults now, knows about usenet.

I agree that usenet is mostly older people. But at least 90% of the
groups are dead. That's the reason that the surviving groups, such as
alt.home.repair have more off topic posts, such as this one, because the
appropriate groups are dead. I have asked young people if they use
"newsgroups" or "usenet". You're right, none of them know what that
means..... But they sure try to get people like me to join their (BARF)
Facebook!!!! No Thanks!


I saw the dangers to privacy, opportunity for fraud and the fact that
the social websites like Facebook would become data mines for government
and corporations wishing to take advantage of people willingly giving
out information on every aspect of their lives. It's astounding to me
that people put their whole lives online oblivious to the hazards. O_o

TDD

On Nov 21, 12:57*am, wrote:

I agree that usenet is mostly older people. *But at least 90% of the
groups are dead. *That's the reason that the surviving groups, such as
alt.home.repair have more off topic posts, such as this one, because the
appropriate groups are dead.

Right. It's the fault of Usenet, not stupid assholes.
-----

- gpsman

On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:47:32 -0600, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:09:32 -0600, Doug
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:45:16 -0600, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:55:49 -0600, Doug
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:34:34 -0600, wrote:

Back in the late 90's it appeared that the daily newspaper was a dying
thing. People could go online and read the news on multiple sites.


Maybe the old ways were better.......


If you only use the computer to read news I might at least consider
your opinion, otherwise not. I do several things on mine and while
it does require upkeep on occasion and can be a pain (sounds like my
wife too), I prefer to read my news on the net. I only get a Sunday
newspaper because of my wife but she is starting to read on the net
too.

I use my computer for other stuff besides the news, but I'm only
speaking of using the internet, not the computer itself.

I only use the internet to do email and occasionally look up a subject,
for example, when I'm fixing my car and want to look up how to do the
repair, or what type of fluid goes in the gear case, etc. Occasionally
there may be another subject. Other than that, I read a few newsgroups,
and bring up the local weather radar maps. That's it.

Back in the 90's I had fun on the internet. It's not fun anymore. It's
downright aggravating most of the time, trying to find some useful
content in a pile of rubbish. Even trying to do some research on a car
repair or something like that is a huge struggle to find sites that
actually have information, reather than those fake sites that try to
lure a person there and are filled with nothing but ads, or want me to
pay for the info, or register to read it. I refuse to pay, and refuse
to register to read a damn article.

Af for social interaction with others, it seems that it's all about
facebook these days, and that is nothing but a bunch of immature punks,
while FB itself is monitoring everything we do and say. I wouldn't use
FB even if they offerred to pay me for it.

As for upgrading, my oldest computer with Windows98 and my newest one
with XP, both do everything else (non-internet) perfectly. I can watch
movies, play music, edit photos, do accounting, type letters, and much
more. It's just the internet stuff that keeps demanding upgrades.

Once usenet is dead, which wont be long, I'll probably cancel my
internet service. I can get email and weather radar maps on my
cellphone, and in the rare occasion that I need repair info for my car,
I can go to a WIFI spot with my laptop. The internet overall is a dying
thing except that horrid facebook.


I may not agree 100% but I see where you are coming from and admit you
make valid points. Actually my daughter for other reasons does as you
want... just uses her cell phone for internet tho she has a laptop and
only uses it for internet when she comes to visit us. I find my cell
phone a bit small and slow to use regularly for internet browsing even
tho it's 4G and not that old. I guess for now, I'll stick with my
internet service at home.

I do agree it's hard to read those small screens on cellphones. But for
a weather radar map, they are ok. And for email, as long as the email
is text only, they work fine. I cant read most other websites on a
small screen though.

Most young people dont even use email anymore. Everything goes on
Facebook. That thought scares me. Like I want everyone to know that I
woke up with a stomach ache, or my wife had her menstral cycle today.
Then again, most of what these kids post on there is meaningless anyhow.
I was recently in a bar, and the crowd was mostly 21 to 30. All night
they sat there testing each other and taking photos of each other and
posting them on FB. WTF???? Why cant they just talk to each other in
the bar? I did not stay long......

I dont understand this young generation, and in many ways, I dont want
to. I still remember the early days of the internet, when people went
to geocities and made a simple website to share about themselves or
their business or hobby. I enjoyed that. Today there is no such thing,
just the commercial sites and FB. It's sad what the internet has
become!


Now we more or less are 100% in agreement grin. I have 2 daughters
in mid twenties and like you I can't always figure out their thinking.
I've gotten to the point I just ask them what's new on FB. Like you
said, everything is on FB even our extended family news.

I do miss the days of active usenet newsgroups but just accept it now.
I guess it's because I felt like usenet was more personal and the web
seems so impersonal. I'm probably just getting old, old in attitude
or both.

On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:47:22 -0600, Doug
wrote:

Most young people dont even use email anymore. Everything goes on
Facebook. That thought scares me. Like I want everyone to know that I
woke up with a stomach ache, or my wife had her menstral cycle today.
Then again, most of what these kids post on there is meaningless anyhow.
I was recently in a bar, and the crowd was mostly 21 to 30. All night
they sat there testing each other and taking photos of each other and
posting them on FB. WTF???? Why cant they just talk to each other in
the bar? I did not stay long......

I dont understand this young generation, and in many ways, I dont want
to. I still remember the early days of the internet, when people went
to geocities and made a simple website to share about themselves or
their business or hobby. I enjoyed that. Today there is no such thing,
just the commercial sites and FB. It's sad what the internet has
become!


Now we more or less are 100% in agreement grin. I have 2 daughters
in mid twenties and like you I can't always figure out their thinking.
I've gotten to the point I just ask them what's new on FB. Like you
said, everything is on FB even our extended family news.

I dont let anyone put myself on FB as far as photos or personal stuff.
I actually got quite angered at a good friend for doing so. If someone
says something like "our dad fixed the dryer today", that's fine, or a
friend says "I went camping with my buddy and we did......". That's ok
too. But when they mention names, post photos, or talk personal stuff,
that's where I get angry.

I do miss the days of active usenet newsgroups but just accept it now.
I guess it's because I felt like usenet was more personal and the web
seems so impersonal. I'm probably just getting old, old in attitude
or both.

Usenet *WAS* more personal, and still can be on the few remaining active
groups. I'm old myself, but it's not just me. The internet has changed
and for the worse. In fact, much worse. Try to even get some clipart
of a turkey for example. You'll waste an hour getting to sites that
want you to pay for that piece of art, or sites that are worthless
entirely but link to nearly any search word, and sites that want you to
register just to download that picture, and that dont even address the
extreme amount of advertising and the popups and other ****.

I only accept it because there is no other choice. However, these days,
I spend about 70% less time on the internet than I did in the 90's.
Back then it was fun to just look at websites, and download freeware to
try out, and just chit chat on the newsgroups. These days most websites
are more junk than value, so I only go on the web to research something,
such as how to fix the brakes on my car. I've mostly given up
downloading any kind of software because it's all half working demos, or
what they call "free", which in the end is not (the download is free,
the software is not). And most newsgroups are either dead or filled
with people who either bash others, or use every newsgroup for politics,
or other annoyances. Also, it seems there is no humor on the newsgroups
anymore.

I remember when the CB radios were a big thing in the 70's, and everyone
had fun on them. That died, just the way I think the internet soon
will. Except the internet will continue in some ways, such as facebook,
but will have no real value. People often tell me I should get a more
updated computer, with a newer edition of Windows, etc. I ask them why.
For all the other things I do on the computer (non-internet), even my 13
year old Windows 98 one still works fine. It's just the internet that
keeps adding stuff that the older systems cant handle. But what are
they adding that is of value? In my opinion, NOTHING. I'm perfectly
happy (and prefer), the older simple text and photos ONLY sites. Pretty
much like a newspaper or magaine. After all, why do we need all this
flash content, and scripts, and moving animated stuff, just to post some
information?

A good example is this: A local festival used to have a simple basic
website. I could go on it, and in a few minutes I'd know who was
performing, what date and time, and so on. Last year they made the
entire site using flash junk. It would not load at all using Firefox,
or another Mozilla based broswer. It only worked with IE, and my
version of IE was too old to work properly. I spent almost 2 hours
fighting with the samn site, and finally just called their office and
asked them to recite the entire schedule for me on the phone. They were
not pleased, and told me to go to their website. That's when I told
them the whole story, and that it dont work right. This was the opening
day for the event, and whoever created the thing, apparently tried to
fix it, and crashed the whole site. I went to the event, and heard
numerous people complaining that the website dont work......

I went to their office and asked them if they could please go back to
the old website that they used to have. The guy said that the person
who designs it, dont know how to make it like it used to be. That's
when I wrote down my phone number and email address, and told them that
I'd be happy to do their site next year, and it will be just like it
used to be, and wont have any useless junk on it. Just the dates,
schedule, and some photos. I am hoping they call me next summer.

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:53:27 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:34:34 -0600, wrote:



Considering what I've spent for computers, software, electricity to run
them, and many many hours of my time, the cost of a newspaper is cheap
in comparison. And better yet, I can sit back and read the newspaper
without it poping up and telling me my browser is outdated and I need to
install another version of adobe flash, or finding bad page rendering,
where the text is on top of a photo, etc.....

Maybe the old ways were better.......

And you don't need a Wi-Fi connection in the bathroom to read it.

OTOH, I carry my cell phone every day to work. Carrying a newspaper
around looks rather odd. Oh, and no Wi-Fi, just 4G. ;-)

I considered stopping it after the last price increase, but after
complaining they made me a deal. I've read the paper version all of
my life and prefer it.

I gave up on local rags long ago. Most refused to stop littering my
driveway.

On 11-22-2012 14:02, z wrote:
I gave up on local rags long ago. Most refused to stop littering my
driveway.

I warned them of a one-dollar handling fee. They didn't stop.

I sent them an invoice. They didn't stop.

I sent them an invoice with interest on the previous balance and typical
dunning language. They stopped.

--
Wes Groleau

From the cowardice that shrinks from new truth,
From the laziness that is content with half-truths,
From the arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
O God of Truth, deliver us.
--Leslie Dixon Weatherhead
--Rabbi Mordechai M. Kaplan
--ancient prayer
--unknown
--(no attempt at attribution)
(a thousand thanks to someone who can tell me who
really wrote it AND persuade me they're not making it up!)

On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:31:04 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 11/20/2012 12:42 PM, Frank wrote:
On 11/19/2012 9:00 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/19/2012 4:34 AM, wrote:
Back in the late 90's it appeared that the daily newspaper was a dying
thing. People could go online and read the news on multiple sites.
This was true, and I found myself going in that direction. There were
web sites that had the same text and photos as the paper. Some even had
the cartoons. For awhile, I continued to get the newspaper as well as
reading it online. Somewhere around 2003, I decided that it did not
make sense to pay for the newspaper, which I was not reading very often
anymore. I cancelled it. For a few years I would read the news online,
and felt that was all I needed. However, in the last few years I've
been noticing more and more that the news media websites have become so
cluttered with useless garbage and ads that I was spending hours trying
to get the latest news, and often left their sites feeling aggravated.

These sites are no longer like a newspaper. They are a massive clutter
of trash, with bits and pieces of the news scattered in between. How
many damn videos are needed to address a news story anyhow? And why all
the flash content that takes quite awhile to load, occasionally causes
my browser to crash, and becomes very annoying more often than now, when
things are bouncing around on the page and popups and other useless
jink, not to mention that the pages are at least half advertising, and
clicking on something that appears to be news, is really ads. Then too,
how many goddamn facebook and twitter icons do they really need on each
page.

I've had it with the internet media sites. I just returned to getting
my daily newspaper, and am very pleased. I can sit back and relax while
reading the news, weather and sports, and even enjoy a few cartoons,
without being bombarded with trash and other annoyances. Sure the paper
costs a few bucks each week, but I have to take into consideration that
electricity to run the computer costs money too, not to mention having
to constantly upgrade the computer and install new browsers and software
just to keep up with all this useless garbage they flood their sites
with. After all, time is money too, and even if the upgrades dont cost
anything, it takes time to keep installing the software and learning to
use it. Yet, in the end, who needs it. A newspaper is pretty simple.
It's a text news story, and some photos to back up the text. Then
there's some advetising, and that's it. Whatever happened to the simple
websites that looked like a newspaper?

Then again, it dont stop there. The entire internet has become a
massive pile of garbage. Websites that used to offer content, now are
filled with trash. The newsgroups are dying fast, which means soon, we
will only have that repulsive facebook and twitter to say what we want
to say, and only a huge mass of garbage for websites.

Considering what I've spent for computers, software, electricity to run
them, and many many hours of my time, the cost of a newspaper is cheap
in comparison. And better yet, I can sit back and read the newspaper
without it poping up and telling me my browser is outdated and I need to
install another version of adobe flash, or finding bad page rendering,
where the text is on top of a photo, etc.....

Maybe the old ways were better.......


I tried lining the bottom of the birdcage with my roommate's laptop
but....... O_o

TDD

Maybe an iPad is more suitable. When the bird poops on it, it will play
an iTune.

Perhaps it could be programed to "Tweet" when that occurs? There must be
an app for that? ^_^

....and post it on Twitter. At least it'll be good for something.

On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:08:06 -0500, Wes Groleau
wrote:

On 11-22-2012 14:02, z wrote:
I gave up on local rags long ago. Most refused to stop littering my
driveway.

I warned them of a one-dollar handling fee. They didn't stop.

I sent them an invoice. They didn't stop.

I sent them an invoice with interest on the previous balance and typical
dunning language. They stopped.

Yep, unpaid circulation is still circulation. They can't afford to
admit how bad their business really is. Their fault.

wrote:

Considering what I've spent for computers, software, electricity to
run them, and many many hours of my time, the cost of a newspaper is
cheap in comparison. And better yet, I can sit back and read the
newspaper without it poping up and telling me my browser is outdated
and I need to install another version of adobe flash, or finding bad
page rendering, where the text is on top of a photo, etc.....

Maybe the old ways were better.......

There are STILL home deliveries of a daily newspapers?

How quaint. I had no idea.