Why should we help the Honey Bee?


In simple terms, the answer seems very obvious; the bees are one of the most important pollinators in the world.

We rely on honey bees for one-third of our food supply, so when honey bees are in danger, we’re all in danger. The facts in this section will help you educate others on what’s happening with our honey bees.

The honey bee is responsible for $15 billion in U.S. agricultural crops each year. Bees fly approximately 10 to 15 miles per hour and visit about 50—100 flowers in each pollination trip. To produce one pound of honey, honey bees must visit two million flowers and fly 55,000 miles. When a honey bee returns to the hive after finding a good pollen source, it gives out samples of the flower’s nectar to its hive mates and performs a dance that details the distance, direction, quality and quantity of the food supply. The richer the food source, the longer and more vigorous dance.

Why should we care about honey bees? Bee pollination is responsible for $15 billion in added crop value, particularly for specialty crops such as almonds and other nuts, berries, fruits, and vegetables. About one mouthful in three in our diet directly or indirectly benefits from honey bee pollination.

Beeman's wife wrote:

Why should we help the Honey Bee?


In simple terms, the answer seems very obvious; the bees are one of the most important pollinators in the world.

We rely on honey bees for one-third of our food supply, so when honey bees are in danger, we’re all in danger. The facts in this section will help you educate others on what’s happening with our honey bees.

The honey bee is responsible for $15 billion in U.S. agricultural crops each year. Bees fly approximately 10 to 15 miles per hour and visit about 50—100 flowers in each pollination trip. To produce one pound of honey, honey bees must visit two million flowers and fly 55,000 miles. When a honey bee returns to the hive after finding a good pollen source, it gives out samples of the flower’s nectar to its hive mates and performs a dance that details the distance, direction, quality and quantity of the food supply. The richer the food source, the longer and more vigorous dance.

Why should we care about honey bees? Bee pollination is responsible for $15 billion in added crop value, particularly for specialty crops such as almonds and other nuts, berries, fruits, and vegetables. About one mouthful in three in our diet directly or indirectly benefits from honey bee pollination.

If honey bee colonies continue to collapse without relief, the impact on our current food sources and agricultural practices will be devastating to our own survival. Some bee facts we should know. Learn how you can help at http://www.beeman-beeremoval.com

1. The honey bee has been around for millions of years.
2. Honey bees, scientifically also known as Apis mellifera, are environmentally friendly and are vital as pollinators.
3. It is the only insect that produces food eaten by man.
4. Honey is the only food that includes all the substances necessary to sustain life, including enzymes, vitamins, minerals, and water; and it’s the only food that contains “pinocembrin”, an antioxidant associated with improved brain functioning.
5. Honey bees have 6 legs, 2 compound eyes made up of thousands of tiny lenses (one on each side of the head), 3 simple eyes on the top of the head, 2 pairs of wings, a nectar pouch, and a stomach.

6. Honey bees have 170 odorant receptors, compared with only 62 in fruit flies and 79 in mosquitoes. Their exceptional olfactory abilities include kin recognition signals, social communication within the hive, and odor recognition for finding food. Their sense of smell was so precise that it could differentiate hundreds of different floral varieties and tell whether a flower carried pollen or nectar from yards away.
7. The honey bees wings stroke incredibly fast, about 200 beats per second, thus making their famous, distinctive buzz. A honey bee can fly for up to six miles, and as fast as 15 miles per hour.
8. The average worker bee produces about 1/12th teaspoon of honey in her lifetime.
9. Foragers must collect nectar from about 2 million flowers to make 1 pound of honey.
10. It takes one ounce of honey to fuel a bee’s flight around the world.
11. A honey bee visits 50 to 100 flowers during a collection trip.
12. The bee’s brain is oval in shape and only about the size of a sesame seed, yet it has remarkable capacity to learn and remember things and is able to make complex calculations on distance travelled and foraging efficiency.
13. A colony of bees consists of 20,000-60,000 honeybees and one queen. Worker honey bees are female, live for about 6 weeks and do all the work.
14. The queen bee can live up to 5 years and is the only bee that lays eggs. She is the busiest in the summer months, when the hive needs to be at its maximum strength, and lays up to 2500 eggs per day.
15. Larger than the worker bees, the male honey bees (also called drones), have no stinger and do not work at all. All they do is mating.
16. Each honey bee colony has a unique odor for members’ identification.
17. Only worker bees sting, and only if they feel threatened and they die once they sting. Queens have a stinger, but they don’t leave the hive to help defend it.
18. It is estimated that 1100 honey bee stings are required to be fatal.
19. Honey bees communicate with one another by “dancing”.
20. During winter, honey bees feed on the honey they collected during the warmer months. They form a tight cluster in their hive to keep the queen and themselves warm. The more I learn about honey bee facts; honey’s great creator -the honey bee itself, its highly organized society, how it acts with such intricate cooperation, and the various bee products, the more I admire and respect this amazing creature. It is no wonder why sometimes the colony is called a superorganism.
Hi,
And it is said, inside hive is cleaner than a hospital operating room.

On May 17, 5:24*am, Tony Hwang wrote:
Beeman's wife wrote:

Why should we help the Honey Bee?

In simple terms, the answer seems very obvious; the bees are one of the most important pollinators in the world.

We rely on honey bees for one-third of our food supply, so when honey bees are in danger, we’re all in danger. The facts in this section will help you educate others on what’s happening with our honey bees.

The honey bee is responsible for $15 billion in U.S. agricultural crops each year. Bees fly approximately 10 to 15 miles per hour and visit about 50—100 flowers in each pollination trip. To produce one pound of honey, honey bees must visit two million flowers and fly 55,000 miles. When a honey bee returns to the hive after finding a good pollen source, it gives out samples of the flower’s nectar to its hive mates and performs a dance that details the distance, direction, quality and quantity of the food supply. The richer the food source, the longer and more vigorous dance.

Why should we care about honey bees? Bee pollination is responsible for $15 billion in added crop value, particularly for specialty crops such as almonds and other nuts, berries, fruits, and vegetables. About one mouthful in three in our diet directly or indirectly benefits from honey bee pollination.

If honey bee colonies continue to collapse without relief, the impact on our current food sources and agricultural practices will be devastating to our own survival. Some bee facts we should know. Learn how you can help athttp://www.beeman-beeremoval.com

1. The honey bee has been around for millions of years.
2. Honey bees, scientifically also known as Apis mellifera, are environmentally friendly and are vital as pollinators.
3. It is the only insect that produces food eaten by man.
4. Honey is the only food that includes all the substances necessary to sustain life, including enzymes, vitamins, minerals, and water; and it’s the only food that contains “pinocembrin”, an antioxidant associated with improved brain functioning.
5. Honey bees have 6 legs, 2 compound eyes made up of thousands of tiny lenses (one on each side of the head), 3 simple eyes on the top of the head, 2 pairs of wings, a nectar pouch, and a stomach.

6. Honey bees have 170 odorant receptors, compared with only 62 in fruit flies and 79 in mosquitoes. Their exceptional olfactory abilities include kin recognition signals, social communication within the hive, and odor recognition for finding food. Their sense of smell was so precise that it could differentiate hundreds of different floral varieties and tell whether a flower carried pollen or nectar from yards away.
7. The honey bees wings stroke incredibly fast, about 200 beats per second, thus making their famous, distinctive buzz. A honey bee can fly for up to six miles, and as fast as 15 miles per hour.
8. The average worker bee produces about 1/12th teaspoon of honey in her lifetime.
9. Foragers must collect nectar from about 2 million flowers to make 1 pound of honey.
10. It takes one ounce of honey to fuel a bee’s flight around the world.
11. A honey bee visits 50 to 100 flowers during a collection trip.
12. The bee’s brain is oval in shape and only about the size of a sesame seed, yet it has remarkable capacity to learn and remember things and is able to make complex calculations on distance travelled and foraging efficiency.
13. A colony of bees consists of 20,000-60,000 honeybees and one queen. Worker honey bees are female, live for about 6 weeks and do all the work.
14. The queen bee can live up to 5 years and is the only bee that lays eggs. She is the busiest in the summer months, when the hive needs to be at its maximum strength, and lays up to 2500 eggs per day.
15. Larger than the worker bees, the male honey bees (also called drones), have no stinger and do not work at all. All they do is mating.
16. Each honey bee colony has a unique odor for members’ identification.
17. *Only worker bees sting, and only if they feel threatened and they die once they sting. Queens have a stinger, but they don’t leave the hive to help defend it.
18. It is estimated that 1100 honey bee stings are required to be fatal..
19. Honey bees communicate with one another by “dancing”.
20. *During winter, honey bees feed on the honey they collected during the warmer months. They form a tight cluster in their hive to keep the queen and themselves warm. The more I learn about honey bee facts; honey’s great creator -the honey bee itself, its highly organized society, how it acts with such intricate cooperation, and the various bee products, the more I admire and respect this amazing creature. It is no wonder why sometimes the colony is called a superorganism.

Hi,
And it is said, inside hive is cleaner than a hospital operating room

That is definitely not true.

On May 17, 4:13*am, "Beeman's wife"
wrote:
Why should we help the Honey Bee?

In simple terms, the answer seems very obvious; the bees are one of the most important pollinators in the world.

We rely on honey bees for one-third of our food supply, so when honey bees are in danger, we’re all in danger. The facts in this section will help you educate others on what’s happening with our honey bees.

The honey bee is responsible for $15 billion in U.S. agricultural crops each year. Bees fly approximately 10 to 15 miles per hour and visit about 50—100 flowers in each pollination trip. To produce one pound of honey, honey bees must visit two million flowers and fly 55,000 miles. When a honey bee returns to the hive after finding a good pollen source, it gives out samples of the flower’s nectar to its hive mates and performs a dance that details the distance, direction, quality and quantity of the food supply. The richer the food source, the longer and more vigorous dance.

Why should we care about honey bees? Bee pollination is responsible for $15 billion in added crop value, particularly for specialty crops such as almonds and other nuts, berries, fruits, and vegetables. About one mouthful in three in our diet directly or indirectly benefits from honey bee pollination.

If honey bee colonies continue to collapse without relief, the impact on our current food sources and agricultural practices will be devastating to our own survival. Some bee facts we should know. Learn how you can help athttp://www.beeman-beeremoval.com

1. The honey bee has been around for millions of years.
2. Honey bees, scientifically also known as Apis mellifera, are environmentally friendly and are vital as pollinators.
3. It is the only insect that produces food eaten by man.
4. Honey is the only food that includes all the substances necessary to sustain life, including enzymes, vitamins, minerals, and water; and it’s the only food that contains “pinocembrin”, an antioxidant associated with improved brain functioning.
5. Honey bees have 6 legs, 2 compound eyes made up of thousands of tiny lenses (one on each side of the head), 3 simple eyes on the top of the head, 2 pairs of wings, a nectar pouch, and a stomach.

6. Honey bees have 170 odorant receptors, compared with only 62 in fruit flies and 79 in mosquitoes. Their exceptional olfactory abilities include kin recognition signals, social communication within the hive, and odor recognition for finding food. Their sense of smell was so precise that it could differentiate hundreds of different floral varieties and tell whether a flower carried pollen or nectar from yards away.
7. The honey bees wings stroke incredibly fast, about 200 beats per second, thus making their famous, distinctive buzz. A honey bee can fly for up to six miles, and as fast as 15 miles per hour.
8. The average worker bee produces about 1/12th teaspoon of honey in her lifetime.
9. Foragers must collect nectar from about 2 million flowers to make 1 pound of honey.
10. It takes one ounce of honey to fuel a bee’s flight around the world..
11. A honey bee visits 50 to 100 flowers during a collection trip.
12. The bee’s brain is oval in shape and only about the size of a sesame seed, yet it has remarkable capacity to learn and remember things and is able to make complex calculations on distance travelled and foraging efficiency.
13. A colony of bees consists of 20,000-60,000 honeybees and one queen. Worker honey bees are female, live for about 6 weeks and do all the work.
14. The queen bee can live up to 5 years and is the only bee that lays eggs. She is the busiest in the summer months, when the hive needs to be at its maximum strength, and lays up to 2500 eggs per day.
15. Larger than the worker bees, the male honey bees (also called drones), have no stinger and do not work at all. All they do is mating.
16. Each honey bee colony has a unique odor for members’ identification..
17. *Only worker bees sting, and only if they feel threatened and they die once they sting. Queens have a stinger, but they don’t leave the hive to help defend it.
18. It is estimated that 1100 honey bee stings are required to be fatal.
19. Honey bees communicate with one another by “dancing”.
20. *During winter, honey bees feed on the honey they collected during the warmer months. They form a tight cluster in their hive to keep the queen and themselves warm. The more I learn about honey bee facts; honey’s great creator -the honey bee itself, its highly organized society, how it acts with such intricate cooperation, and the various bee products, the more I admire and respect this amazing creature. It is no wonder why sometimes the colony is called a superorganism.

Quite a few of your "facts" are incorrect.

America will soon be s superorganism. Also known as the fascist state.

Tony Hwang full-quoted the entire post - just to add 1 line.

Don't be a full-quoter you bone-head.

harry was bone-head full-quoter #2.

Fool.

(This is probably an email hoax, but it makes
good reading. http://www.snopes.com/medical/homecure/honey.asp )

CINNAMON & HONEY -- very interesting!!!

*Cinnamon and Honey*
*Whoever thought?*

Honey is the only food on the planet that will not spoil or rot. What it
will do is what some call 'turning to sugar'. In reality, honey is always
honey. However, when left in a cool dark place for a long time it will
"crystallize". When this happens *loosen *the lid, boil some water and sit
the honey container in the hot water, but turn off the heat and let it
liquefy naturally. It is then as good as it ever was. Never boil honey or
put it in a microwave. This will kill the enzymes in the honey.


*Cinnamon and Honey *

Bet the drug companies won't like this one getting around. Facts on Honey
and Cinnamon:

It is found that a mixture of honey and Cinnamon cures most diseases. Honey
is produced in most of the countries of the world. Scientists of today also
accept honey as a 'Ram Ban' (very effective) medicine for all kinds of
diseases.

Honey can be used without side effects for any kind of diseases.

Today's science says that even though honey is sweet, when it is taken in
the right dosage as a medicine, it does not harm even diabetic patients.
Weekly World News, a magazine in Canada , in its issue dated 17
January,1995 has given the following list of diseases that can be cured by
honey and cinnamon, as researched by western scientists:


*HEART DISEASES: *

Make a paste of honey and cinnamon powder, apply it on bread instead of
jelly and jam and eat it regularly for breakfast. It reduces the
cholesterol in the arteries and saves the patient from heart attack. Also,
those who have already had an attack, when they do this process daily, they
are kept miles away from the next attack. Regular use of the above process
relieves loss of breath and strengthens the heart beat. In America and
Canada , various nursing homes have treated patients successfully and have
found that as one ages the arteries and veins lose their flexibility and
get clogged; honey and cinnamon revitalize the arteries and the veins.

*ARTHRITIS: *

Arthritis patients may take daily (morning and night) one cup of hot water
with two tablespoons of honey and one small teaspoon of cinnamon powder.
When taken regularly even chronic arthritis can be cured. In a recent
research conducted at the Copenhagen University, it was found that when the
doctors treated their patients with a mixture of one tablespoon Honey and
half teaspoon Cinnamon powder before breakfast, they found that within a
week (out of the 200 people so treated) practically 73 patients were
totally relieved of pain -- and within a month, most all the patients who
could not walk or move around because of arthritis now started walking
without pain.


*BLADDER INFECTIONS: *

Take two tablespoons of cinnamon powder and one teaspoon of honey in a
glass of lukewarm water and drink it. It destroys the germs in the bladder..


*CHOLESTEROL: *

Two tablespoons of honey and three teaspoons of Cinnamon Powder mixed in 16
ounces of tea water given to a cholesterol patient was found to reduce the
level of cholesterol in the blood by 10 percent within two hours. As
mentioned for arthritic patients, when taken three times a day, any chronic
cholesterol is cured. According to information received in the said
Journal, pure honey taken with food daily relieves complaints of
cholesterol.


*COLDS: *

Those suffering from common or severe colds should take one tablespoon
lukewarm honey with 1/4 spoon cinnamon powder daily for three days. This
process will cure most chronic cough, cold, and, clear the sinuses.


*UPSET STOMACH: *

Honey taken with cinnamon powder cures stomach ache and also clears stomach
ulcers from its root.


*GAS *:

According to the studies done in India and Japan , it is revealed that when
Honey is taken with cinnamon powder the stomach is relieved of gas.


*IMMUNE SYSTEM: *

Daily use of honey and cinnamon powder strengthens the immune system and
protects the body from bacterial and viral attacks.. Scientists have found
that honey has various vitamins and iron in large amounts. Constant use of
Honey strengthens the white blood corpuscles (where DNA is contained) to
fight bacterial and viral diseases.


*INDIGESTION: *

Cinnamon powder sprinkled on two tablespoons of honey taken before food is
eaten relieves acidity and digests the heaviest of meals.


*INFLUENZA *:

A scientist in Spain has proved that honey contains a natural 'Ingredient'
which kills the influenza germs and saves the patient from flu.


*LONGEVITY *:

Tea made with honey and cinnamon powder, when taken regularly, arrests the
ravages of old age. Use four teaspoons of honey, one teaspoon of cinnamon
powder, and three cups of water and boil to make a tea. Drink 1/4 cup,
three to four times a day. It keeps the skin fresh and soft and arrests old
age. Life spans increase and even a 100 year old will start performing the
chores of a 20-year-old..


*RASPY OR SORE THROAT: *

*When throat has a tickle or is raspy, take one tablespoon of honey and sip
until gone. Repeat every three hours until throat is without symptoms. *

*PIMPLES *:

Three tablespoons of honey and one teaspoon of cinnamon powder paste. Apply
this paste on the pimples before sleeping and wash it off the next morning
with warm water. When done daily for two weeks, it removes all pimples from
the root.


*SKIN INFECTIONS: *

Applying honey and cinnamon powder in equal parts on the affected parts
cures eczema, ringworm and all types of skin infections.


*WEIGHT LOSS: *

Daily in the morning one half hour before breakfast and on an empty
stomach, and at night before sleeping, drink honey and cinnamon powder
boiled in one cup of water. When taken regularly, it reduces the weight of
even the most obese person. Also, drinking this mixture regularly does not
allow the fat to accumulate in the body even though the person may eat a
high calorie diet.


*CANCER: *

Recent research in Japan and Australia has revealed that advanced cancer of
the stomach and bones have been cured successfully. Patients suffering from
these kinds of cancer should daily take one tablespoon of honey with one
teaspoon of cinnamon powder three times a day for one month .


*FATIGUE *:

Recent studies have shown that the sugar content of honey is more helpful
rather than being detrimental to the strength of the body. Senior citizens
who take honey and cinnamon powder in equal parts are more alert and
flexible. Dr.. Milton, who has done research, says that a half tablespoon
of honey taken in a glass of water and sprinkled with cinnamon powder, even
when the vitality of the body starts to decrease, when taken daily after
brushing and in the afternoon at about 3:00 P.M., the vitality of the body
increases within a week.


*BAD BREATH: *

People of South America, gargle with one teaspoon of honey and cinnamon
powder mixed in hot water first thing in the morning so their breath stays
fresh throughout the day.


*HEARING LOSS: *

Daily morning and night honey and cinnamon powder, taken in equal parts
restores hearing. Remember when we were kids? We had toast with real butter
and cinnamon sprinkled on it!


**


Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...

Hi,
And it is said, inside hive is cleaner than a hospital operating room.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On May 17, 4:13 am, "Beeman's wife"
wrote:
Why should we help the Honey Bee?

In simple terms, the answer seems very obvious; the bees are one of the
most important pollinators in the world.

We rely on honey bees for one-third of our food supply, so when honey
bees are in danger, we’re all in danger. The facts in this section will
help you educate others on what’s happening with our honey bees.

The honey bee is responsible for $15 billion in U.S. agricultural crops
each year. Bees fly approximately 10 to 15 miles per hour and visit about
50—100 flowers in each pollination trip. To produce one pound of honey,
honey bees must visit two million flowers and fly 55,000 miles. When a
honey bee returns to the hive after finding a good pollen source, it
gives out samples of the flower’s nectar to its hive mates and performs a
dance that details the distance, direction, quality and quantity of the
food supply. The richer the food source, the longer and more vigorous
dance.

Why should we care about honey bees? Bee pollination is responsible for
$15 billion in added crop value, particularly for specialty crops such as
almonds and other nuts, berries, fruits, and vegetables. About one
mouthful in three in our diet directly or indirectly benefits from honey
bee pollination.

If honey bee colonies continue to collapse without relief, the impact on
our current food sources and agricultural practices will be devastating
to our own survival. Some bee facts we should know. Learn how you can
help athttp://www.beeman-beeremoval.com

1. The honey bee has been around for millions of years.
2. Honey bees, scientifically also known as Apis mellifera, are
environmentally friendly and are vital as pollinators.
3. It is the only insect that produces food eaten by man.
4. Honey is the only food that includes all the substances necessary to
sustain life, including enzymes, vitamins, minerals, and water; and it’s
the only food that contains “pinocembrin”, an antioxidant associated with
improved brain functioning.
5. Honey bees have 6 legs, 2 compound eyes made up of thousands of tiny
lenses (one on each side of the head), 3 simple eyes on the top of the
head, 2 pairs of wings, a nectar pouch, and a stomach.

6. Honey bees have 170 odorant receptors, compared with only 62 in fruit
flies and 79 in mosquitoes. Their exceptional olfactory abilities include
kin recognition signals, social communication within the hive, and odor
recognition for finding food. Their sense of smell was so precise that it
could differentiate hundreds of different floral varieties and tell
whether a flower carried pollen or nectar from yards away.
7. The honey bees wings stroke incredibly fast, about 200 beats per
second, thus making their famous, distinctive buzz. A honey bee can fly
for up to six miles, and as fast as 15 miles per hour.
8. The average worker bee produces about 1/12th teaspoon of honey in her
lifetime.
9. Foragers must collect nectar from about 2 million flowers to make 1
pound of honey.
10. It takes one ounce of honey to fuel a bee’s flight around the world.
11. A honey bee visits 50 to 100 flowers during a collection trip.
12. The bee’s brain is oval in shape and only about the size of a sesame
seed, yet it has remarkable capacity to learn and remember things and is
able to make complex calculations on distance travelled and foraging
efficiency.
13. A colony of bees consists of 20,000-60,000 honeybees and one queen.
Worker honey bees are female, live for about 6 weeks and do all the work.
14. The queen bee can live up to 5 years and is the only bee that lays
eggs. She is the busiest in the summer months, when the hive needs to be
at its maximum strength, and lays up to 2500 eggs per day.
15. Larger than the worker bees, the male honey bees (also called
drones), have no stinger and do not work at all. All they do is mating.
16. Each honey bee colony has a unique odor for members’ identification.
17. Only worker bees sting, and only if they feel threatened and they
die once they sting. Queens have a stinger, but they don’t leave the hive
to help defend it.
18. It is estimated that 1100 honey bee stings are required to be fatal.
19. Honey bees communicate with one another by “dancing”.
20. During winter, honey bees feed on the honey they collected during
the warmer months. They form a tight cluster in their hive to keep the
queen and themselves warm. The more I learn about honey bee facts; honey’s
great creator -the honey bee itself, its highly organized society, how it
acts with such intricate cooperation, and the various bee products, the
more I admire and respect this amazing creature. It is no wonder why
sometimes the colony is called a superorganism.

Quite a few of your "facts" are incorrect.

America will soon be s superorganism. Also known as the fascist state.

"America" ?
Which "America" is a "state" ???

And by the way, England is far closer to fascism than most countries in the
Americas..

On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:13:36 -0700 (PDT), "Beeman's wife"
wrote:


Why should we help the Honey Bee?

What do you mean "we." If it's so damned important to you spend your
own money... not mine. I have no reason to help you. You have never
helped me.

Gordon Shumway wrote in
:

On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:13:36 -0700 (PDT), "Beeman's wife"
wrote:


Why should we help the Honey Bee?

What do you mean "we." If it's so damned important to you spend your
own money... not mine. I have no reason to help you. You have never
helped me.


honey bees DO provide valuable pollination services that to duplicate would
raise the cost of many food items,and thus affect everybody.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On 5/20/2012 1:50 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:13:36 -0700 (PDT), "Beeman's wife"
wrote:


Why should we help the Honey Bee?

What do you mean "we." If it's so damned important to you spend your
own money... not mine. I have no reason to help you. You have never
helped me.

Maybe you haven't considered that bees are the major mechanism for
pollination?

On Mon, 21 May 2012 10:45:03 -0500, Jim Yanik
wrote:

Gordon Shumway wrote in
:

On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:13:36 -0700 (PDT), "Beeman's wife"
wrote:


Why should we help the Honey Bee?

What do you mean "we." If it's so damned important to you spend your
own money... not mine. I have no reason to help you. You have never
helped me.


honey bees DO provide valuable pollination services that to duplicate would
raise the cost of many food items,and thus affect everybody.

Agreed. However, the wife of a "Beeman" has a much more vested
interest in bees than the average person. Therefore, her desire to
"help the honey bee" is probably more truthfully stated as "help the
Beeman and his wife." That's what I have the problem with. There are
too many people holding their hand out.

Gordon Shumway wrote in
:

On Mon, 21 May 2012 10:45:03 -0500, Jim Yanik
wrote:

Gordon Shumway wrote in
m:

On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:13:36 -0700 (PDT), "Beeman's wife"
wrote:


Why should we help the Honey Bee?

What do you mean "we." If it's so damned important to you spend
your own money... not mine. I have no reason to help you. You have
never helped me.


honey bees DO provide valuable pollination services that to duplicate
would raise the cost of many food items,and thus affect everybody.

Agreed. However, the wife of a "Beeman" has a much more vested
interest in bees than the average person. Therefore, her desire to
"help the honey bee" is probably more truthfully stated as "help the
Beeman and his wife." That's what I have the problem with. There are
too many people holding their hand out.


considering the serious bee problems of varroa mites and colony
disorder,that no individual beekeeper or group of beekeepers could achieve
the resources necessary to combat them,it's understandable for them to ask
for help.
It's not anything like sports stadia or other non-productive welfare
projects. it's necessary and beneficial to most everybody.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:51:07 -0500, Jim Yanik
wrote:

Agreed. However, the wife of a "Beeman" has a much more vested
interest in bees than the average person. Therefore, her desire to
"help the honey bee" is probably more truthfully stated as "help the
Beeman and his wife." That's what I have the problem with. There are
too many people holding their hand out.


considering the serious bee problems of varroa mites and colony
disorder,that no individual beekeeper or group of beekeepers could achieve
the resources necessary to combat them,it's understandable for them to ask
for help.
It's not anything like sports stadia or other non-productive welfare
projects. it's necessary and beneficial to most everybody.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

If, indeed, it is necessary and beneficial to most everyone, then let
them invest their dollars, not ours. If done well they could reap
untold rewards. As a result they would then be in the position to
create jobs for those needing work. Once that has cycle has begun,
the Beeman and his wife and the people they employ would no longer be
taking money from our government but they would be contributors to it.
And so on and so on...

Our government should not be allowed to subsidize every
industry-of-the-week just so they can buy votes. We shouldn't forget
GM, Solindra and all of the other bad decisions our fearless leaders
have made. Let the private sector provide the investment and when
they do it right they win and so does the rest of the country.

On Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:14:55 AM UTC-5, harry wrote:


America will soon be s superorganism. Also known as the fascist state.

....and you will remain in your "fecal state".

On Mon, 21 May 2012 20:56:56 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:51:07 -0500, Jim Yanik
wrote:

Agreed. However, the wife of a "Beeman" has a much more vested
interest in bees than the average person. Therefore, her desire to
"help the honey bee" is probably more truthfully stated as "help the
Beeman and his wife." That's what I have the problem with. There are
too many people holding their hand out.


considering the serious bee problems of varroa mites and colony
disorder,that no individual beekeeper or group of beekeepers could achieve
the resources necessary to combat them,it's understandable for them to ask
for help.
It's not anything like sports stadia or other non-productive welfare
projects. it's necessary and beneficial to most everybody.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

If, indeed, it is necessary and beneficial to most everyone, then let
them invest their dollars, not ours. If done well they could reap
untold rewards. As a result they would then be in the position to
create jobs for those needing work. Once that has cycle has begun,
the Beeman and his wife and the people they employ would no longer be
taking money from our government but they would be contributors to it.
And so on and so on...

Our government should not be allowed to subsidize every
industry-of-the-week just so they can buy votes. We shouldn't forget
GM, Solindra and all of the other bad decisions our fearless leaders
have made. Let the private sector provide the investment and when
they do it right they win and so does the rest of the country.

So a problem that affects all of us, because we all need the services
that bees provide, shouldn't be addressed by all of us? We have a way
of doing that, called government. That is all of us together, the
great American Experiment of participatory democracy. You know
something, if it doesn't work, then maybe we should slash the
"defense" budget and stop trying to export it all over the world.

"Bob_Villa" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:14:55 AM UTC-5, harry wrote:


America will soon be s superorganism. Also known as the fascist state.

...and you will remain in your "fecal state".

To such as harry. words like fascist are not about meaning, but about
pejorative labeling.

dgk, please check your facts. Last I knew, the USA is a constitutional
republic.

Anything that's not a power delegated by the Constitution, the Fed should
not be funding.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"dgk" wrote in message
...

If, indeed, it is necessary and beneficial to most everyone, then let
them invest their dollars, not ours. If done well they could reap
untold rewards. As a result they would then be in the position to
create jobs for those needing work. Once that has cycle has begun,
the Beeman and his wife and the people they employ would no longer be
taking money from our government but they would be contributors to it.
And so on and so on...

Our government should not be allowed to subsidize every
industry-of-the-week just so they can buy votes. We shouldn't forget
GM, Solindra and all of the other bad decisions our fearless leaders
have made. Let the private sector provide the investment and when
they do it right they win and so does the rest of the country.

So a problem that affects all of us, because we all need the services
that bees provide, shouldn't be addressed by all of us? We have a way
of doing that, called government. That is all of us together, the
great American Experiment of participatory democracy. You know
something, if it doesn't work, then maybe we should slash the
"defense" budget and stop trying to export it all over the world.

On Tue, 22 May 2012 08:19:49 -0400, dgk wrote:

If, indeed, it is necessary and beneficial to most everyone, then let
them invest their dollars, not ours. If done well they could reap
untold rewards. As a result they would then be in the position to
create jobs for those needing work. Once that has cycle has begun,
the Beeman and his wife and the people they employ would no longer be
taking money from our government but they would be contributors to it.
And so on and so on...

Our government should not be allowed to subsidize every
industry-of-the-week just so they can buy votes. We shouldn't forget
GM, Solindra and all of the other bad decisions our fearless leaders
have made. Let the private sector provide the investment and when
they do it right they win and so does the rest of the country.

So a problem that affects all of us, because we all need the services
that bees provide, shouldn't be addressed by all of us? We have a way
of doing that, called government. That is all of us together, the
great American Experiment of participatory democracy. You know
something, if it doesn't work, then maybe we should slash the
"defense" budget and stop trying to export it all over the world.

There is only one flaw with your thinking. Your answer to all that is
wrong with us is socialism -- not government. Our real problem is too
much government.

On Tue, 22 May 2012 11:20:08 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 08:19:49 -0400, dgk wrote:

If, indeed, it is necessary and beneficial to most everyone, then let
them invest their dollars, not ours. If done well they could reap
untold rewards. As a result they would then be in the position to
create jobs for those needing work. Once that has cycle has begun,
the Beeman and his wife and the people they employ would no longer be
taking money from our government but they would be contributors to it.
And so on and so on...

Our government should not be allowed to subsidize every
industry-of-the-week just so they can buy votes. We shouldn't forget
GM, Solindra and all of the other bad decisions our fearless leaders
have made. Let the private sector provide the investment and when
they do it right they win and so does the rest of the country.

So a problem that affects all of us, because we all need the services
that bees provide, shouldn't be addressed by all of us? We have a way
of doing that, called government. That is all of us together, the
great American Experiment of participatory democracy. You know
something, if it doesn't work, then maybe we should slash the
"defense" budget and stop trying to export it all over the world.

There is only one flaw with your thinking. Your answer to all that is
wrong with us is socialism -- not government. Our real problem is too
much government.

Our government is us. Us. The people. We vote them in. I think our
government should be finding the reason for the honey bee decline, and
if that reason is something be produced by private corporations, like
an insecticide, then the private corporation should be made to rectify
the situation. This is, by the way, interstate commerce, just for
Mormon's sake.

On Tue, 22 May 2012 14:48:23 -0400, dgk wrote:

Our government should not be allowed to subsidize every
industry-of-the-week just so they can buy votes. We shouldn't forget
GM, Solindra and all of the other bad decisions our fearless leaders
have made. Let the private sector provide the investment and when
they do it right they win and so does the rest of the country.

So a problem that affects all of us, because we all need the services
that bees provide, shouldn't be addressed by all of us? We have a way
of doing that, called government. That is all of us together, the
great American Experiment of participatory democracy. You know
something, if it doesn't work, then maybe we should slash the
"defense" budget and stop trying to export it all over the world.

There is only one flaw with your thinking. Your answer to all that is
wrong with us is socialism -- not government. Our real problem is too
much government.

Our government is us. Us. The people. We vote them in. I think our
government should be finding the reason for the honey bee decline, and
if that reason is something be produced by private corporations, like
an insecticide, then the private corporation should be made to rectify
the situation. This is, by the way, interstate commerce, just for
Mormon's sake.

Let me see if I understand your point of view. You think all tax
payers should pay higher taxes for only some of us to benefit (the
industry-of-the-week). You don't want some of the unemployed to be
able to get a job and begin to turn their lives around. You want the
unemployed to remain dependent on the government (all of us, your
words) for ever.

On the other hand, you don't like my idea where taxpayers would be
able to pay lower taxes and all of us will benefit.

Is that what you are saying?

On Tue, 22 May 2012 22:22:29 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 14:48:23 -0400, dgk wrote:

Our government should not be allowed to subsidize every
industry-of-the-week just so they can buy votes. We shouldn't forget
GM, Solindra and all of the other bad decisions our fearless leaders
have made. Let the private sector provide the investment and when
they do it right they win and so does the rest of the country.

So a problem that affects all of us, because we all need the services
that bees provide, shouldn't be addressed by all of us? We have a way
of doing that, called government. That is all of us together, the
great American Experiment of participatory democracy. You know
something, if it doesn't work, then maybe we should slash the
"defense" budget and stop trying to export it all over the world.

There is only one flaw with your thinking. Your answer to all that is
wrong with us is socialism -- not government. Our real problem is too
much government.

Our government is us. Us. The people. We vote them in. I think our
government should be finding the reason for the honey bee decline, and
if that reason is something be produced by private corporations, like
an insecticide, then the private corporation should be made to rectify
the situation. This is, by the way, interstate commerce, just for
Mormon's sake.

Let me see if I understand your point of view. You think all tax
payers should pay higher taxes for only some of us to benefit (the
industry-of-the-week). You don't want some of the unemployed to be
able to get a job and begin to turn their lives around. You want the
unemployed to remain dependent on the government (all of us, your
words) for ever.

On the other hand, you don't like my idea where taxpayers would be
able to pay lower taxes and all of us will benefit.

Is that what you are saying?

I think that we the people, through our govenment, decide how to spend
our taxes. Personally, I'd slash the military. And since we all eat,
we all benefit from honeybees and we'd best find out what is going on
with them.

I would love to see the unemployed get jobs, but since the wealthy in
America can make more by moving our jobs overseas, then maybe the
problem is with the growing concentration of wealth among the already
wealthy.

On Wed, 23 May 2012 08:36:53 -0400, dgk wrote:

Our government is us. Us. The people. We vote them in. I think our
government should be finding the reason for the honey bee decline, and
if that reason is something be produced by private corporations, like
an insecticide, then the private corporation should be made to rectify
the situation. This is, by the way, interstate commerce, just for
Mormon's sake.

Let me see if I understand your point of view. You think all tax
payers should pay higher taxes for only some of us to benefit (the
industry-of-the-week). You don't want some of the unemployed to be
able to get a job and begin to turn their lives around. You want the
unemployed to remain dependent on the government (all of us, your
words) for ever.

On the other hand, you don't like my idea where taxpayers would be
able to pay lower taxes and all of us will benefit.

Is that what you are saying?

I think that we the people, through our govenment, decide how to spend
our taxes. Personally, I'd slash the military. And since we all eat,
we all benefit from honeybees and we'd best find out what is going on
with them.

I would love to see the unemployed get jobs, but since the wealthy in
America can make more by moving our jobs overseas, then maybe the
problem is with the growing concentration of wealth among the already
wealthy.

In other words I'm right. Thank you for being honest.

Or, the problem is that regulation and taxes makes it
too expensive to do business in the USA.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Wed, 23 May 2012 08:36:53 -0400, dgk wrote:


I would love to see the unemployed get jobs, but since the wealthy in
America can make more by moving our jobs overseas, then maybe the
problem is with the growing concentration of wealth among the already
wealthy.

On Wed, 23 May 2012 11:38:45 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Or, the problem is that regulation and taxes makes it
too expensive to do business in the USA.

Bingo! We have a winner!

On Wed, 23 May 2012 13:57:43 -0400, "
wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2012 11:38:45 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Or, the problem is that regulation and taxes makes it
too expensive to do business in the USA.

Bingo! We have a winner!

Which regulations are you planning to get rid of? The way I see it,
all the regulations were put in place because of previous abuses. Now,
it is certainly possible that there are regulations that don't make
sense, and I'd certainly want to get rid of those. But which ones, be
specific, are problematic for you?

On May 24, 10:01*am, dgk wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2012 13:57:43 -0400, "

wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2012 11:38:45 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Or, the problem is that regulation and taxes makes it
too expensive to do business in the USA.

Bingo! *We have a winner!

Which regulations are you planning to get rid of? The way I see it,
all the regulations were put in place because of previous abuses. Now,
it is certainly possible that there are regulations that don't make
sense, and I'd certainly want to get rid of those. But which ones, be
specific, are problematic for you?

I DONTknowwhat the answer is perhaps require anyone selling stuff to
the US to meet our health and safety standards?

or our country will be a gutted shell of its former self.... and
unable to care for itself in time of disaster or war..

its 2020 and we now produce just 10% of the food we eat, today its
under 50%

something bad happens to transportation and our country starves.......

such are the risks of depending on others for near everything

On Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:36:37 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:

unable to care for itself in time of disaster or war..

its 2020 and we now produce just 10% of the food we eat, today its
under 50%

something bad happens to transportation and our country starves.......


We let the railroads die in favor of wasting oil and ruining our roads with semi rigs. Shame on us!

On Thu, 24 May 2012 10:01:13 -0400, dgk wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2012 13:57:43 -0400, "
wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2012 11:38:45 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Or, the problem is that regulation and taxes makes it
too expensive to do business in the USA.

Bingo! We have a winner!

Which regulations are you planning to get rid of?

*EVERYTHING* from the last three years, anyway. Add half of all the rest and
we've just started.

The way I see it,
all the regulations were put in place because of previous abuses. Now,
it is certainly possible that there are regulations that don't make
sense, and I'd certainly want to get rid of those. But which ones, be
specific, are problematic for you?

Good grief. Start with OSHA, EPA, and Education.

On Thu, 24 May 2012 08:34:10 -0700 (PDT), Bob_Villa
wrote:

On Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:36:37 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:

unable to care for itself in time of disaster or war..

its 2020 and we now produce just 10% of the food we eat, today its
under 50%

something bad happens to transportation and our country starves.......


We let the railroads die in favor of wasting oil and ruining our roads with semi rigs. Shame on us!

Nonsense.

On Thursday, May 24, 2012 1:18:45 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 08:34:10 -0700 (PDT), Bob_Villa

wrote:

On Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:36:37 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:

unable to care for itself in time of disaster or war..

its 2020 and we now produce just 10% of the food we eat, today its
under 50%

something bad happens to transportation and our country starves.......


We let the railroads die in favor of wasting oil and ruining our roads with semi rigs. Shame on us!

Nonsense.

Heady response...for you!

I'd start with getting rid of the ADA, Americans with
Disabilities Act. Neal Boortz was going on, today
(May 24, 2012) about the city where the ADA folks
wanted every public transit bus to be wheelchair
accessable. So, they discontinued the busses. Places
with swimming pools need a permanant handicap
lift crane, though no one has ever asked to be
craned in the five or so years the crane has been there.

And, the list goes on.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"dgk" wrote in message
...

Which regulations are you planning to get rid of? The way
I see it, all the regulations were put in place because of
previous abuses. Now, it is certainly possible that there
are regulations that don't make sense, and I'd certainly
want to get rid of those. But which ones, be specific,
are problematic for you?

On Thu, 24 May 2012 12:05:09 -0700 (PDT), Bob_Villa
wrote:

On Thursday, May 24, 2012 1:18:45 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 08:34:10 -0700 (PDT), Bob_Villa

wrote:

On Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:36:37 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:

unable to care for itself in time of disaster or war..

its 2020 and we now produce just 10% of the food we eat, today its
under 50%

something bad happens to transportation and our country starves.......


We let the railroads die in favor of wasting oil and ruining our roads with semi rigs. Shame on us!

Nonsense.

Heady response...for you!

When that's all you post, that's all there is to say.

In article , Gordon Shumway
wrote:

On Mon, 21 May 2012 10:45:03 -0500, Jim Yanik
wrote:

Gordon Shumway wrote in
:

On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:13:36 -0700 (PDT), "Beeman's wife"
wrote:


Why should we help the Honey Bee?

What do you mean "we." If it's so damned important to you spend your
own money... not mine. I have no reason to help you. You have never
helped me.


honey bees DO provide valuable pollination services that to duplicate would
raise the cost of many food items,and thus affect everybody.

Agreed. However, the wife of a "Beeman" has a much more vested
interest in bees than the average person. Therefore, her desire to
"help the honey bee" is probably more truthfully stated as "help the
Beeman and his wife." That's what I have the problem with. There are
too many people holding their hand out.

Common sense never gets in the way of extremist politics.

-Frank

--
Here's some of my work:
http://www.sharpbywarner.com

On Thu, 24 May 2012 14:18:09 -0400, "
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 10:01:13 -0400, dgk wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2012 13:57:43 -0400, "
wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2012 11:38:45 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Or, the problem is that regulation and taxes makes it
too expensive to do business in the USA.

Bingo! We have a winner!

Which regulations are you planning to get rid of?

*EVERYTHING* from the last three years, anyway. Add half of all the rest and
we've just started.

The way I see it,
all the regulations were put in place because of previous abuses. Now,
it is certainly possible that there are regulations that don't make
sense, and I'd certainly want to get rid of those. But which ones, be
specific, are problematic for you?

Good grief. Start with OSHA, EPA, and Education.

So protecting people from corporate abuses isn't necessary anymore?
Corporations are amoral, if they can make a profit, they do it. If
that involves polluting water, or air, or anything else, sure, no
problem. Destroy an irreplaceable Indonesian rain forest so they can
make a bit more money on napkins, fine.

Corporations aren't even "American" anymore, they're multinational. So
if they can make a profit for their 1% owners by screwing Americans,
sure.

Come on krw, what regulations has OSHA, or EPA put in place that are
unnecessary?

I agree with you on DoE. I think we do need DoE, but this whole shift
to Teaching To The Test is going to produce a crop of kids who know
how to take a test.

On Thu, 24 May 2012 15:08:10 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

I'd start with getting rid of the ADA, Americans with
Disabilities Act. Neal Boortz was going on, today
(May 24, 2012) about the city where the ADA folks
wanted every public transit bus to be wheelchair
accessable. So, they discontinued the busses. Places
with swimming pools need a permanant handicap
lift crane, though no one has ever asked to be
craned in the five or so years the crane has been there.

And, the list goes on.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


I'm sure that Jesus wouldn't want handicapped people to be able to
take a bus like everyone else.

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:45:16 -0700, Frank J Warner
wrote:

In article , Gordon Shumway
wrote:

On Mon, 21 May 2012 10:45:03 -0500, Jim Yanik
wrote:

Gordon Shumway wrote in
:

On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:13:36 -0700 (PDT), "Beeman's wife"
wrote:


Why should we help the Honey Bee?

What do you mean "we." If it's so damned important to you spend your
own money... not mine. I have no reason to help you. You have never
helped me.


honey bees DO provide valuable pollination services that to duplicate would
raise the cost of many food items,and thus affect everybody.

Agreed. However, the wife of a "Beeman" has a much more vested
interest in bees than the average person. Therefore, her desire to
"help the honey bee" is probably more truthfully stated as "help the
Beeman and his wife." That's what I have the problem with. There are
too many people holding their hand out.

Common sense never gets in the way of extremist politics.

-Frank

It does amaze, and depress me, that anyone would be against trying to
figure out what is killing off honeybees and consider it some handout
for special interests.

On 5/29/2012 8:44 AM, dgk wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 14:18:09 -0400, "
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 10:01:13 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2012 13:57:43 -0400, "
wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2012 11:38:45 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Or, the problem is that regulation and taxes makes it
too expensive to do business in the USA.

Bingo! We have a winner!

Which regulations are you planning to get rid of?

*EVERYTHING* from the last three years, anyway. Add half of all the rest and
we've just started.

The way I see it,
all the regulations were put in place because of previous abuses. Now,
it is certainly possible that there are regulations that don't make
sense, and I'd certainly want to get rid of those. But which ones, be
specific, are problematic for you?

Good grief. Start with OSHA, EPA, and Education.

So protecting people from corporate abuses isn't necessary anymore?
Corporations are amoral, if they can make a profit, they do it. If
that involves polluting water, or air, or anything else, sure, no
problem. Destroy an irreplaceable Indonesian rain forest so they can
make a bit more money on napkins, fine.

Corporations are considered a legal entity but are run by people. Some
folks have a moral compass and some don't. It is really unfair to use a
wide brush as you have and the same goes for the "dittoheads" who
somehow imagine no regulations are required because if given the chance
everyone will be fair and honest.

Since man has been on the earth we have recognized that some folks do
not have a moral compass. So we devised rules to temper that.

I doubt any dittohead would happily have an IV inserted into their arm
that was connected to a bag of drugs produced by a totally unregulated
and unverified source or get on an airplane where the operator was not
required to maintain certain standards for equipment and pilots.

Corporations aren't even "American" anymore, they're multinational. So
if they can make a profit for their 1% owners by screwing Americans,
sure.


You do know that not every corporation is a big evil multinational thing
right?


Come on krw, what regulations has OSHA, or EPA put in place that are
unnecessary?

I agree with you on DoE. I think we do need DoE, but this whole shift
to Teaching To The Test is going to produce a crop of kids who know
how to take a test.

I'm sure Jesus would be based in reality. Neal said the city did a survey,
and found that there were about four or five needs for handicap rides per
year. They could serve the people easily by a couple of wheel chair vans.
Much cheaper and more efficient than retrofitting every bus, for the
possibility of four rides a year.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"dgk" wrote in message
...
Disabilities Act. Neal Boortz was going on, today
(May 24, 2012) about the city where the ADA folks
wanted every public transit bus to be wheelchair
accessable. So, they discontinued the busses. Places

I'm sure that Jesus wouldn't want handicapped people to be able to
take a bus like everyone else.

On Tue, 29 May 2012 08:44:25 -0400, dgk wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 14:18:09 -0400, "
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 10:01:13 -0400, dgk wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2012 13:57:43 -0400, "
wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2012 11:38:45 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Or, the problem is that regulation and taxes makes it
too expensive to do business in the USA.

Bingo! We have a winner!

Which regulations are you planning to get rid of?

*EVERYTHING* from the last three years, anyway. Add half of all the rest and
we've just started.

The way I see it,
all the regulations were put in place because of previous abuses. Now,
it is certainly possible that there are regulations that don't make
sense, and I'd certainly want to get rid of those. But which ones, be
specific, are problematic for you?

Good grief. Start with OSHA, EPA, and Education.

So protecting people from corporate abuses isn't necessary anymore?

1 Protection isn't free
2 The government has protected us right out of jobs
3 The government is continuing #2

Corporations are amoral, if they can make a profit, they do it.

So don't buy their stuff. They will soon learn otherwise. You can't do that
with government.

If
that involves polluting water, or air, or anything else, sure, no
problem. Destroy an irreplaceable Indonesian rain forest so they can
make a bit more money on napkins, fine.

Cry me a river.

Corporations aren't even "American" anymore, they're multinational. So
if they can make a profit for their 1% owners by screwing Americans,
sure.

They aren't because the government has chased them away.

Come on krw, what regulations has OSHA, or EPA put in place that are
unnecessary?

99% of them.

I agree with you on DoE. I think we do need DoE, but this whole shift
to Teaching To The Test is going to produce a crop of kids who know
how to take a test.

More bull****. The problem is that it isn't (the federal) government's.
Government == Spend more, get less.