I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

On 5/15/2012 2:52 PM, Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

what did the guy say when he came out to give you an estimate after you
looked him up in the yellow pages and called him?

responding to
http://www.homeownershub.com/mainten...st-697656-.htm
DA wrote:

Mike wrote:


I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks


The question of roof cost has come up many times in the past, may be worth
looking at past examples. In fact, I see these links right next to your
post, I guess it searches for related discussions. I wonder if the $12K
figure has some special significance because it comes up in this 2004
thread, too:
http://www.homeownershub.com/mainten...st-515255-.htm
(a very different roof tho). Must be some kind of a pain threshold...

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chaniarts wrote the following on 5/15/2012 6:06 PM (ET):
On 5/15/2012 2:52 PM, Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

what did the guy say when he came out to give you an estimate after you
looked him up in the yellow pages and called him?


He musta said to ask here.

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @

Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

There are some variables about which we know nothing. For example, what part
of the country are you in and does your jurisdiction demand permits,
inspections, and the work done by a company that is licensed by the
jurisdiction and makes large campaign donations to the mayor.

All that said, some thoughts:

Cheapest:

You can price the decking material and shingles yourself. I'd bet those
would come in under $3,000. Disposing of what's torn off I'd guess at a $500
dump charge.

The rest of your expense will be in labor. It behooves you, therefore, to
find a contractor that employs indentured servants or, if you can't find
that, someone who uses illegal immigrants.

If you don't want to go that route, or admit to going that route:

The standard mantra you'll get here is:
A. Get a recommendation (or two) from your neighbors who have had
satisfactory work done.
B. Make sure the company you choose is bonded, insured, and has all the
correct licenses.
C. Consider upgrading your roof with a ridge vent and/or wind turbines.
There are some extra considerations if you have ice/snow in the winter.
D. From the universe of possible companies, get references from each and
visit the homes on which they've done work. Talk to the homeowner. Ask:
I. Did the job come in on time and under budget?
II. Did the contractor clean up the work site after the job?
III. What surprises did the homeowner experience?
IV. What "extras" did the contractor throw in?*

Putting on a new roof is what's known to homeowners as a BIG DEAL. Study,
study, study. Get as much advice as you can, both here and elsewhere. Hint:
One source of advice and recommendation might be a local realtor.

---
*In my case, the forman took a few 2x4s and some left-over sheeting and
built two dormers to attach the roof to my two chimneys. It looks nice and
obviously minimizes the chance for leaks around the chimneys. A pleasant
surprise.

On Tue, 15 May 2012 14:52:14 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote Re New roof cost.:

I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.

There is only one way to do that accurately. Get 3 estimates from
local roofers.
--
Work is the curse of the drinking class.

Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

Sometimes you can find out what the basic rate is these days for your area
per square for a complete tear off down to the rafters, all new decking, and
dimensional shingles. Somehow I have this feeling that in my area (New
Jersey) the pricing was something like $800 per square about a year ago. I
could be WAY off on that, but the $800 number sticks in my mind. If you say
where you are located, someone here may know what the typical price per
square is these days for the type of job you want done. If you do get
estimates, you may be surprised at how close many of them are to each other.
That's because most roofers look at a job like that, measure how many
squares it is, and then multiply the going per square figure times the
number of squares you have and give you the price.

On May 16, 10:19*am, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. *There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. *It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. *You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. *But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. *If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. *A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). *If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

Sometimes you can find out what the basic rate is these days for your area
per square for a complete tear off down to the rafters, all new decking, and
dimensional shingles. *Somehow I have this feeling that in my area (New
Jersey) the pricing was something like $800 per square about a year ago. *I
could be WAY off on that, but the $800 number sticks in my mind. *If you say
where you are located, someone here may know what the typical price per
square is these days for the type of job you want done. *If you do get
estimates, you may be surprised at how close many of them are to each other.
That's because most roofers look at a job like that, measure how many
squares it is, and then multiply the going per square figure times the
number of squares you have and give you the price.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good points, but I have some thoughts on the matter, having just gone
through the process of having my roof replaced.

As far as it being "pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require
a lot of explanation" I beg to differ on that opinion, based on my
recent experience.

- There are new "roofing systems" other than the basic felt
underlayment that can make a difference in the warranty offered by the
shingle manufacturer. This should be discussed.
- There may be issues related to ventilation, e.g I had no soffit
vents. Some roofers wanted to put in pucks or rectangles in the
soffits and a ridge vent on top, one suggested cutting a full soffit
vent with perforated vinyl to cover the slots. One roofer even said
that box vents were better than a ridge vent for my house. Ventalation
was a major part of all discussions and a major deciding point as to
who I went with.
- Attic insulation should be discussed - no sense in adding soffit
vents if the insulation covers the soffits. Will baffles be needed? If
so, who will install them? (I did my own, but some homeowners may not
be able to or want to)
- Are there any valleys and how will they be handled?
- Step flashing, vent boots, exhaust hoods. How all of those will be
dealt with should be discussed so that there is no misunderstandings
later.
- Who will be in charge and on site during the job? My roofer told me
that his brother (who is on his crew) pulled up to a red light next to
house where one of his competitors was in the middle of a tear off.
While he was stopped, 2 police cars and border patrol van pulled up
onto the lawn, right up to the bottom of the ladders that were leaning
against the house. They called 4 of the crew off of the roof and led
them into into the border patrol van. I'm guessing this delayed the
completion of the job somewhat. ;-)

I could go on, but my point is that you can't just go through a pile
of estimates that get stuck in your mail box while you're not home and
expect to be able to make an intelligent decision. I choose the roofer
who not only spent time with me answering all of my questions, but was
also made suggestions and was going to be on-site, hammer in hand, for
the entire job. The companies that sent out "salesman" or "estimators"
did not instill the same confidence as those that sent out actual
roofers.

BTW...The comment about how many squares...Why does that matter?

If I recall correctly, none of the 5 estimates that I received
mentioned how many squares. They each included a price for the tear-
off and re-roof and listed what that included e.g. ice and water
shield (where and how much), underlayment, etc. Then were were prices
for incidentals $P per sheet of plywood (if needed) $F per foot of
step flashing (if needed), $G for gutters, $S soffit vents, etc.

If I'm comparing dollars per item to dollars per item, why do I care
how many squares my roof is? Fact is, I don't know how many squares my
roof is and it wasn't anything that I needed when comparing the
estimates. Granted, if one estimate was way out of line (which one
was) it might be good to check and see if the measurements were
correct, but if the estimates are all within a reasonable variance of
each other, the actual measurements or number of sqaures doesn't
really matter.

BTW...when I asked the "out of line" guy why he was so much higher
than everyone else, his answer was that he had more overhead than many
other companies. He even pulled out a picture of a bucket lifter that
he said he uses to get the material onto the roof. So tell me, why do
I want to pay for the cost of a bucket lifter that makes the job
easier for his crew? What do I gain from them have a lifter? When all
is said and done, I'll still have the same roof on my house whether
they carry the shingles up on their shoulder or lift them up in a
bucket. Why would I possibly want to help pay for the lifter?

On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:

Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.



I don't think so. His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. Bottom line is more than 11 squares.

On May 16, 2:57*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. *There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor..

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. *It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. *You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. *But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. *If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. *A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). *If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. *His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. *And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. *Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On May 16, 10:19 am, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.
. . . ,
Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for
this type of job. It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't
require a lot of explanation. You would just let the contractors
know that it is a complete tear-off down to the rafters and that you
want all new decking and 40-year dimensional asphalt shingles, and
that you would like to be able to keep the existing gutters and
downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although
if it were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see
what they are like to deal with and talk to etc.. But, since they do
not need to go into your house to do the estimate, they can do it
anytime without you having to meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. If any of the
roofers do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it
is, that would be good to know. A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x
10'). If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

Sometimes you can find out what the basic rate is these days for
your area per square for a complete tear off down to the rafters,
all new decking, and dimensional shingles. Somehow I have this
feeling that in my area (New Jersey) the pricing was something like
$800 per square about a year ago. I could be WAY off on that, but
the $800 number sticks in my mind. If you say where you are located,
someone here may know what the typical price per square is these
days for the type of job you want done. If you do get estimates, you
may be surprised at how close many of them are to each other. That's
because most roofers look at a job like that, measure how many
squares it is, and then multiply the going per square figure times
the number of squares you have and give you the price.- -

Good points, but I have some thoughts on the matter, having just gone
through the process of having my roof replaced.

As far as it being "pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require
a lot of explanation" I beg to differ on that opinion, based on my
recent experience.

- There are new "roofing systems" other than the basic felt
underlayment that can make a difference in the warranty offered by the
shingle manufacturer. This should be discussed.
- There may be issues related to ventilation, e.g I had no soffit
vents. Some roofers wanted to put in pucks or rectangles in the
soffits and a ridge vent on top, one suggested cutting a full soffit
vent with perforated vinyl to cover the slots. One roofer even said
that box vents were better than a ridge vent for my house. Ventalation
was a major part of all discussions and a major deciding point as to
who I went with.
- Attic insulation should be discussed - no sense in adding soffit
vents if the insulation covers the soffits. Will baffles be needed? If
so, who will install them? (I did my own, but some homeowners may not
be able to or want to)
- Are there any valleys and how will they be handled?
- Step flashing, vent boots, exhaust hoods. How all of those will be
dealt with should be discussed so that there is no misunderstandings
later.
- Who will be in charge and on site during the job? My roofer told me
that his brother (who is on his crew) pulled up to a red light next to
house where one of his competitors was in the middle of a tear off.
While he was stopped, 2 police cars and border patrol van pulled up
onto the lawn, right up to the bottom of the ladders that were leaning
against the house. They called 4 of the crew off of the roof and led
them into into the border patrol van. I'm guessing this delayed the
completion of the job somewhat. ;-)

I could go on, but my point is that you can't just go through a pile
of estimates that get stuck in your mail box while you're not home and
expect to be able to make an intelligent decision. I choose the roofer
who not only spent time with me answering all of my questions, but was
also made suggestions and was going to be on-site, hammer in hand, for
the entire job. The companies that sent out "salesman" or "estimators"
did not instill the same confidence as those that sent out actual
roofers.

BTW...The comment about how many squares...Why does that matter?

If I recall correctly, none of the 5 estimates that I received
mentioned how many squares. They each included a price for the tear-
off and re-roof and listed what that included e.g. ice and water
shield (where and how much), underlayment, etc. Then were were prices
for incidentals $P per sheet of plywood (if needed) $F per foot of
step flashing (if needed), $G for gutters, $S soffit vents, etc.

If I'm comparing dollars per item to dollars per item, why do I care
how many squares my roof is? Fact is, I don't know how many squares my
roof is and it wasn't anything that I needed when comparing the
estimates. Granted, if one estimate was way out of line (which one
was) it might be good to check and see if the measurements were
correct, but if the estimates are all within a reasonable variance of
each other, the actual measurements or number of sqaures doesn't
really matter.

BTW...when I asked the "out of line" guy why he was so much higher
than everyone else, his answer was that he had more overhead than many
other companies. He even pulled out a picture of a bucket lifter that
he said he uses to get the material onto the roof. So tell me, why do
I want to pay for the cost of a bucket lifter that makes the job
easier for his crew? What do I gain from them have a lifter? When all
is said and done, I'll still have the same roof on my house whether
they carry the shingles up on their shoulder or lift them up in a
bucket. Why would I possibly want to help pay for the lifter?

DerbyDado3,

I have to admit that I agree with everything you wrote. I probably could
have worded things better, but the message that I was trying to communicate
to the OP was that it should be fairly easy for him to get a rough answer to
his main question which was,

"Is this all possable for under 12k ?"

I went through all of the same things that you mentioned in regard to two
different complete tear-off-to-the-rafters roofing jobs that I had done over
the last 2 years. The OP should definitely find out about all of the items
you mentioned. I did the same for both of the roofs that I had done -- all
of it --- venting, valleys, ice shield, insulation, gutters, etc. etc.

The reason that I asked about finding out the number of "squares" if
possible, is just because some people can give a fairly good idea of what
the job will typically cost based on that number. In my case, when people
asked me how many squares my jobs were, I said that I didn't know and didn't
really care. It didn't matter to me because all that I wanted to know was
what was going to be done, how it was going to be done, etc. etc. and, of
course, what it would cost.

I did run into the "who is going to supervise the job on site?" issue with
one of my jobs. For the first roof that I had done, the roofing company
owner made a point of saying who the on-site supervisor was going to be, how
experienced he was, and that he speaks English. I thought the last part
about the English was strange because that wasn't something that would have
come to my mind. That job went well.

On the second roof job, the person that I talked with and that I thought was
going to be there every day, ended up not being there most of the time.
Instead, there was a crew of guys who spoke very little English, and I know
very little Spanish. That turned out to be a problem because, as the work
was being done, I could see some things that we needed to get clarified
about how they planned to go about doing the job. That was a real pain
because the guys that I spoke with kept saying "yes" and that they
understood what I was saying, but they didn't. In the end, it all worked
out okay, but I now know that I would have to have an English speaking
person in charge and on site at all times while the work is being done -- so
we could communicate with each other over the many details that need to get
worked out as the work is being done. After that roof was done, I had the
same issue with the gutter company (a different company) because I was dumb
enough to not get that part cleared up to be sure an English speaking person
would be on site and in charge before the work was under way.

On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 16, 2:57*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. *There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. *It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. *You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. *But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. *If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. *A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). *If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. *His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. *And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. *Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?


I'm NOT arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference? I do.

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

On May 16, 5:20*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03









wrote:
On May 16, 2:57*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. *There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. *It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. *You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. *But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. *If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. *A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). *If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. *His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. *And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. *Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. *One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm *NOT *arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?


I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. *They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

If I need a new roof 30 years from now, I'll probably just call a few
roofers and get an accurate estimate.

On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 16, 5:20*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03









wrote:
On May 16, 2:57*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. *There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. *It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. *You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. *But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. *If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. *A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). *If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. *His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. *And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. *Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. *One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm *NOT *arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?


I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. *They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.




Nonsense where I live. If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job. For my own house,
the estimate and the actual quote were close.

On May 17, 12:42*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03









wrote:
On May 16, 5:20*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. *There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. *It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. *You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. *But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. *If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. *A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). *If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. *His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. *And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. *Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. *One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm *NOT *arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. *They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. *If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 12:42*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03









wrote:
On May 16, 5:20*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. *There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. *It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. *You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. *But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. *If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. *A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). *If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. *His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. *And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. *Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. *One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm *NOT *arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. *They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. *If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

On May 17, 10:52*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:









On May 17, 12:42*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 5:20*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. *There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. *It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. *You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. *But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. *If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. *A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). *If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. *His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. *And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. *Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. *One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm *NOT *arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. *They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. *If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

:-)

I suggest going to the website roofing.com and join their forum. This
site has a huge number of roofing contractors who will give you all the
information you could ever need in replacing your roof.

I had 3 estimates from local contractors before visiting this site, and
the folks there hit my average estimate within $500 on a $20,000 job.
They know what they are talking about, and are extremely helpful.

On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 10:52*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:









On May 17, 12:42*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 5:20*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. *There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. *It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. *You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. *But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. *If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. *A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). *If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. *His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. *And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. *Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. *One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm *NOT *arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. *They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. *If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

I'm not kidding. I've heard that roofing companies are, or were, using GE for
estimates. The geometry and difficulty of the job can be seen a long way off.
;-)

On Tue, 15 May 2012 20:16:13 -0400, willshak
wrote:

chaniarts wrote the following on 5/15/2012 6:06 PM (ET):
On 5/15/2012 2:52 PM, Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

what did the guy say when he came out to give you an estimate after you
looked him up in the yellow pages and called him?


He musta said to ask here.

I never understand why people ask for prices on alt.home.repair?????
It all varies according to the location. For all we know the OP may not
even live in the USA.

Get a few estimates from local companies, or get 20 estimates. Contact
the BBB and consumer protection to get references for reliable
companies. Also contact your local building supply companies and find
out the cost of materials. They may even help you with the details such
as how many nails per square, what kind of flashing, etc. Have them
help you get a complete estimate for all the materials.

Once you know that cost of materials, find out what labor costs for
roofing per hour, or per square. Cost of labor for a tear off, etc.

No one on alt.home.repair can give you an estimate, particularly not
even knowing your location. A roof in Missouri may cost half the price
of one in New York. Most of that will be labor costs, since materials
are more stable in price across the whole country.

Do your own homework beginning with the materials, then the per
hour/square labor costs. Also keep in mind that a 5lb box of nails at
your local hardware store may cost $5 more than at one of the big box
stores. And buying the same nails in a 50lb box may be $1 or $2 per
pound cheaper. Then there's deliver costs, or can you truck the stuff
yourself, and how far, how much gas, etc.... All things to consider.

On May 17, 11:35*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:









On May 17, 10:52*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 12:42*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 5:20*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. *There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. *It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. *You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. *But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. *If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. *A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). *If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. *His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. *And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. *Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. *One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm *NOT *arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. *They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. *If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

I'm not kidding. *I've heard that roofing companies are, or were, using GE for
estimates. *The geometry and difficulty of the job can be seen a long way off.
;-)

Sure, for a rough estimate based on size/configuration, but you can't
see the details that add a hundred here, two hundred there, from outer
space.

My final quote went up by a third once we discussed everything that I
wanted and/or needed to be done.

There's no way a decent estimate can be given without a face to face
discussion - unless you're the type that just says OK and doesn't ask
questions so that you truly understand what you are getting for your
money.

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:
So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

I'm not kidding. I've heard that roofing companies are, or were,
using GE for estimates. The geometry and difficulty of the job can
be seen a long way off. ;-)

Interesting. Bing Maps ( http://bingmaps.com ) has even better views with
their "Bird's eye" view. It's pretty cool.

On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 12:42*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03









wrote:
On May 16, 5:20*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. *There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. *It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. *You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. *But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. *If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. *A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). *If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. *His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. *And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. *Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. *One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm *NOT *arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. *They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. *If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".


If they give it to me, yes for my budget.


Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.


That plus other considerations will help me decide who to call for an
actual quote.


Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?



Yes. For me, it allows me to budget rather than guess.



For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?


"before anyone came to the house?".... yes and no, let me explain.
We had roofers driving up and down the street looking for more work
when many roofs in the area were being replaced so I decided to speak
to one of them. In talking, I learned the # squares for my roof.

On May 18, 3:42*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03









wrote:
On May 17, 12:42 am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 5:20 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm NOT arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

If they give it to me, yes for my budget.

Why wouldn't they? Perhaps because the number of squares is not enough
to base a decent estimate on?


Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

That plus other considerations will help me decide who to call for an
actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

Yes. *For me, it allows me to budget rather than guess.

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

"before anyone came to the house?".... * yes and no, let me explain.
We had roofers driving up and down the street looking for more work
when many roofs in the area were being replaced so I decided to speak
to one of them. *In talking, I learned the # squares for my roof.

Well, it seems to me that if "many roofs" were all replaced at the
same time, then you'll have just as many roofers driving up and down
your street when all those roofs age out and you can just flag a
couple down for an on-site estimate. No need to call around trying to
get estimates based solely on the number of squares you have. :-)

In any case, going back to your original question, I still don't think
that knowing the number of squares on my roof is something I'll ever
need "for future reference". If you think you'll be using that
information in your future, then it's a good thing you know your
numbers. Make sure you write then down someplace so you don't forget
them. ;-)

On Fri, 18 May 2012 16:00:36 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 18, 3:42*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03









wrote:
On May 17, 12:42 am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 5:20 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm NOT arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

If they give it to me, yes for my budget.

Why wouldn't they? Perhaps because the number of squares is not enough
to base a decent estimate on?


Salesmanship, etc.... .



Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

That plus other considerations will help me decide who to call for an
actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

Yes. *For me, it allows me to budget rather than guess.

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

"before anyone came to the house?".... * yes and no, let me explain.
We had roofers driving up and down the street looking for more work
when many roofs in the area were being replaced so I decided to speak
to one of them. *In talking, I learned the # squares for my roof.

Well, it seems to me that if "many roofs" were all replaced at the
same time, then you'll have just as many roofers driving up and down
your street when all those roofs age out and you can just flag a
couple down for an on-site estimate. No need to call around trying to
get estimates based solely on the number of squares you have. :-)


Ridiculous.


In any case, going back to your original question, I still don't think
that knowing the number of squares on my roof is something I'll ever
need "for future reference". If you think you'll be using that
information in your future, then it's a good thing you know your
numbers. Make sure you write then down someplace so you don't forget
them. ;-)


No need. I just keep my receipts.

On Fri, 18 May 2012 05:43:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 11:35*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:









On May 17, 10:52*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 12:42*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 5:20*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. *There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. *It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. *You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. *But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. *If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. *A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). *If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. *His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. *And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. *Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. *One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm *NOT *arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. *They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. *If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

I'm not kidding. *I've heard that roofing companies are, or were, using GE for
estimates. *The geometry and difficulty of the job can be seen a long way off.
;-)

Sure, for a rough estimate based on size/configuration, but you can't
see the details that add a hundred here, two hundred there, from outer
space.

That's exactly what they're doing, a rough estimate.

My final quote went up by a third once we discussed everything that I
wanted and/or needed to be done.

Those details can be discussed over the phone, too.

There's no way a decent estimate can be given without a face to face
discussion - unless you're the type that just says OK and doesn't ask
questions so that you truly understand what you are getting for your
money.

Nonsense.

On Fri, 18 May 2012 14:58:24 -0400, "TomR" wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:
So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

I'm not kidding. I've heard that roofing companies are, or were,
using GE for estimates. The geometry and difficulty of the job can
be seen a long way off. ;-)

Interesting. Bing Maps ( http://bingmaps.com ) has even better views with
their "Bird's eye" view. It's pretty cool.

It too has *really* old data.

On Sat, 19 May 2012 00:31:02 -0400, "
wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2012 05:43:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 11:35*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:









On May 17, 10:52*pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 12:42*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 5:20*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. *There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. *It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. *You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. *But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. *If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. *A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). *If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. *His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. *And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. *Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. *One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm *NOT *arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. *They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. *If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

I'm not kidding. *I've heard that roofing companies are, or were, using GE for
estimates. *The geometry and difficulty of the job can be seen a long way off.
;-)

Sure, for a rough estimate based on size/configuration, but you can't
see the details that add a hundred here, two hundred there, from outer
space.

That's exactly what they're doing, a rough estimate.

My final quote went up by a third once we discussed everything that I
wanted and/or needed to be done.

Those details can be discussed over the phone, too.

There's no way a decent estimate can be given without a face to face
discussion - unless you're the type that just says OK and doesn't ask
questions so that you truly understand what you are getting for your
money.

Nonsense.


You and I are on the same page. He's just being silly because he
can't admit he's wrong.

willshak wrote in
m:

chaniarts wrote the following on 5/15/2012 6:06 PM (ET):
On 5/15/2012 2:52 PM, Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

what did the guy say when he came out to give you an estimate after you
looked him up in the yellow pages and called him?


He musta said to ask here.


Well done Will!

On May 19, 2:07*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 00:31:02 -0400, "









wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 05:43:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 11:35 pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 10:52 pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 12:42 am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 5:20 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles..

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm NOT arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

I'm not kidding. I've heard that roofing companies are, or were, using GE for
estimates. The geometry and difficulty of the job can be seen a long way off.
;-)

Sure, for a rough estimate based on size/configuration, but you can't
see the details that add a hundred here, two hundred there, from outer
space.

That's exactly what they're doing, a rough estimate.

My final quote went up by a third once we discussed everything that I
wanted and/or needed to be done.

Those details can be discussed over the phone, too.

There's no way a decent estimate can be given without a face to face
discussion - unless you're the type that just says OK and doesn't ask
questions so that you truly understand what you are getting for your
money.

Nonsense.

You and I are on the same page. * He's just being silly because he
can't admit he's wrong.

It's not a question of right or wrong. It's just two different ways of
going about getting an estimate. For me, based on my experience,
getting an estimate simply based on the size of my roof doesn't make
sense. It would not even be close to the actual number on the other
factors involved. There were too many others detailed that needed to
be discussed on site.

On Sat, 19 May 2012 06:20:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 19, 2:07*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 00:31:02 -0400, "









wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 05:43:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 11:35 pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 10:52 pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 12:42 am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 5:20 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm NOT arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

I'm not kidding. I've heard that roofing companies are, or were, using GE for
estimates. The geometry and difficulty of the job can be seen a long way off.
;-)

Sure, for a rough estimate based on size/configuration, but you can't
see the details that add a hundred here, two hundred there, from outer
space.

That's exactly what they're doing, a rough estimate.

My final quote went up by a third once we discussed everything that I
wanted and/or needed to be done.

Those details can be discussed over the phone, too.

There's no way a decent estimate can be given without a face to face
discussion - unless you're the type that just says OK and doesn't ask
questions so that you truly understand what you are getting for your
money.

Nonsense.

You and I are on the same page. * He's just being silly because he
can't admit he's wrong.

It's not a question of right or wrong. It's just two different ways of
going about getting an estimate. For me, based on my experience,
getting an estimate simply based on the size of my roof doesn't make
sense. It would not even be close to the actual number on the other
factors involved. There were too many others detailed that needed to
be discussed on site.

Now you're back pedaling. No one said there aren't different ways to make
estimates. *YOU* said that the estimator had to be there in person; wrong.

On May 19, 2:13*pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 06:20:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:





On May 19, 2:07 am, "Doug" wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 00:31:02 -0400, "

wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 05:43:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 11:35 pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 10:52 pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 12:42 am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 5:20 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm NOT arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares"..

Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

I'm not kidding. I've heard that roofing companies are, or were, using GE for
estimates. The geometry and difficulty of the job can be seen a long way off.
;-)

Sure, for a rough estimate based on size/configuration, but you can't
see the details that add a hundred here, two hundred there, from outer
space.

That's exactly what they're doing, a rough estimate.

My final quote went up by a third once we discussed everything that I
wanted and/or needed to be done.

Those details can be discussed over the phone, too.

There's no way a decent estimate can be given without a face to face
discussion - unless you're the type that just says OK and doesn't ask
questions so that you truly understand what you are getting for your
money.

Nonsense.

You and I are on the same page. He's just being silly because he
can't admit he's wrong.

It's not a question of right or wrong. It's just two different ways of
going about getting an estimate. For me, based on my experience,
getting an estimate simply based on the size of my roof doesn't make
sense. It would not even be close to the actual number on the other
factors involved. There were too many others detailed that needed to
be discussed on site.

Now you're back pedaling. *No one said there aren't different ways to make
estimates. **YOU* said that the estimator had to be there in person; wrong.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not backpedaling at all.

I still 100% think that just calling around and getting rough
estimates based on the number of squares is a waste of time because
there are too many other factors involved.

Having just gone through the process, and having to had discussed the
details of all 5 quotes with each of the bidders, I can easily look
back and see that if I had I simply called the 5 same roofers and
asked them to bid on X squares, and then decided on which of them to
talk to in more detail based on that number, I would have chosen the
wrong roofer.

It was the face to face, Q&A (from both of us), options offered and
suggestions made that led me to choose the roofer that I did, and the
one that I am 100% happy with now that the job is done.

When I say it's 2 different ways of geting an estimate, I simply mean
that if it works for you (or Doug) then run with it. It really makes
no difference to me how you choose your contractors. For me, a rough
estimate based on number of squares is too rough for me to work with
and is therefore the wrong way to make a decision. The fact that I
think it's the wrong way for you guys to go about it also is something
you can agree with or not. That doesn't matter to me, nor does my
opinion make me wrong.

As I've said all along when I answered Doug's *question* the first
time. "No, I do not think the number of squares is a good thing know
for future reference."

I don't need that number because I'll never, ever, use that
information for anything.

On Sat, 19 May 2012 11:36:53 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 19, 2:13*pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 06:20:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:





On May 19, 2:07 am, "Doug" wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 00:31:02 -0400, "

wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 05:43:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 11:35 pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 10:52 pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 12:42 am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 5:20 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm NOT arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

I'm not kidding. I've heard that roofing companies are, or were, using GE for
estimates. The geometry and difficulty of the job can be seen a long way off.
;-)

Sure, for a rough estimate based on size/configuration, but you can't
see the details that add a hundred here, two hundred there, from outer
space.

That's exactly what they're doing, a rough estimate.

My final quote went up by a third once we discussed everything that I
wanted and/or needed to be done.

Those details can be discussed over the phone, too.

There's no way a decent estimate can be given without a face to face
discussion - unless you're the type that just says OK and doesn't ask
questions so that you truly understand what you are getting for your
money.

Nonsense.

You and I are on the same page. He's just being silly because he
can't admit he's wrong.

It's not a question of right or wrong. It's just two different ways of
going about getting an estimate. For me, based on my experience,
getting an estimate simply based on the size of my roof doesn't make
sense. It would not even be close to the actual number on the other
factors involved. There were too many others detailed that needed to
be discussed on site.

Now you're back pedaling. *No one said there aren't different ways to make
estimates. **YOU* said that the estimator had to be there in person; wrong.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not backpedaling at all.

Bull****.

I still 100% think that just calling around and getting rough
estimates based on the number of squares is a waste of time because
there are too many other factors involved.

Now you're moving the goal posts. Nice. You really can't admit that you're
wrong.

Having just gone through the process, and having to had discussed the
details of all 5 quotes with each of the bidders, I can easily look
back and see that if I had I simply called the 5 same roofers and
asked them to bid on X squares, and then decided on which of them to
talk to in more detail based on that number, I would have chosen the
wrong roofer.

You can't know that.

It was the face to face, Q&A (from both of us), options offered and
suggestions made that led me to choose the roofer that I did, and the
one that I am 100% happy with now that the job is done.

Irrelevant.

When I say it's 2 different ways of geting an estimate, I simply mean
that if it works for you (or Doug) then run with it. It really makes
no difference to me how you choose your contractors. For me, a rough
estimate based on number of squares is too rough for me to work with
and is therefore the wrong way to make a decision. The fact that I
think it's the wrong way for you guys to go about it also is something
you can agree with or not. That doesn't matter to me, nor does my
opinion make me wrong.

Back pedaling.

As I've said all along when I answered Doug's *question* the first
time. "No, I do not think the number of squares is a good thing know
for future reference."

Wrong.

I don't need that number because I'll never, ever, use that
information for anything.

That's likely. It is information.

On May 19, 2:51*pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 11:36:53 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:





On May 19, 2:13 pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 06:20:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 19, 2:07 am, "Doug" wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 00:31:02 -0400, "

wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 05:43:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 11:35 pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 10:52 pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 12:42 am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 5:20 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking..
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm NOT arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

I'm not kidding. I've heard that roofing companies are, or were, using GE for
estimates. The geometry and difficulty of the job can be seen a long way off.
;-)

Sure, for a rough estimate based on size/configuration, but you can't
see the details that add a hundred here, two hundred there, from outer
space.

That's exactly what they're doing, a rough estimate.

My final quote went up by a third once we discussed everything that I
wanted and/or needed to be done.

Those details can be discussed over the phone, too.

There's no way a decent estimate can be given without a face to face
discussion - unless you're the type that just says OK and doesn't ask
questions so that you truly understand what you are getting for your
money.

Nonsense.

You and I are on the same page. He's just being silly because he
can't admit he's wrong.

It's not a question of right or wrong. It's just two different ways of
going about getting an estimate. For me, based on my experience,
getting an estimate simply based on the size of my roof doesn't make
sense. It would not even be close to the actual number on the other
factors involved. There were too many others detailed that needed to
be discussed on site.

Now you're back pedaling. No one said there aren't different ways to make
estimates. *YOU* said that the estimator had to be there in person; wrong.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not backpedaling at all.

Bull****.

I still 100% think that just calling around and getting rough
estimates based on the number of squares is a waste of time because
there are too many other factors involved.

Now you're moving the goal posts. *Nice. *You really can't admit that you're
wrong.

Having just gone through the process, and having to had discussed the
details of all 5 quotes with each of the bidders, I can easily look
back and see that if I had I simply called the 5 same roofers and
asked them to bid on X squares, and then decided on which of them to
talk to in more detail based on that number, I would have chosen the
wrong roofer.

You can't know that.

It was the face to face, Q&A (from both of us), options offered and
suggestions made that led me to choose the roofer that I did, and the
one that I am 100% happy with now that the job is done.

Irrelevant.



When I say it's 2 different ways of geting an estimate, I simply mean
that if it works for you (or Doug) then run with it. It really makes
no difference to me how you choose your contractors. For me, a rough
estimate based on number of squares is too rough for me to work with
and is therefore the wrong way to

...

read more »

the other issue is how many new roofs does anyone pay for in a
lifetime?

with bitchane underlayment and 50 year shingles it might just be
one....

On May 19, 3:45*pm, bob haller wrote:
On May 19, 2:51*pm, "

wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 11:36:53 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 19, 2:13 pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 06:20:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 19, 2:07 am, "Doug" wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 00:31:02 -0400, "

wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 05:43:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 11:35 pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 10:52 pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 12:42 am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 5:20 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm NOT arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

I'm not kidding. I've heard that roofing companies are, or were, using GE for
estimates. The geometry and difficulty of the job can be seen a long way off.
;-)

Sure, for a rough estimate based on size/configuration, but you can't
see the details that add a hundred here, two hundred there, from outer
space.

That's exactly what they're doing, a rough estimate.

My final quote went up by a third once we discussed everything that I
wanted and/or needed to be done.

Those details can be discussed over the phone, too.

There's no way a decent estimate can be given without a face to face
discussion - unless you're the type that just says OK and doesn't ask
questions so that you truly understand what you are getting for your
money.

Nonsense.

You and I are on the same page. He's just being silly because he
can't admit he's wrong.

It's not a question of right or wrong. It's just two different ways of
going about getting an estimate. For me, based on my experience,
getting an estimate simply based on the size of my roof doesn't make
sense. It would not even be close to the actual number on the other
factors involved. There were too many others detailed that needed to
be discussed on site.

Now you're back pedaling. No one said there aren't different ways to make
estimates. *YOU* said that the estimator had to be there in person; wrong.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not backpedaling at all.

Bull****.

I still 100% think that just calling around and getting rough
estimates based on the number of squares is a waste of time because
there are too many other factors involved.

Now you're moving the goal posts. *Nice. *You really can't admit that you're
wrong.

Having just gone through the process, and having to had discussed the
details of all 5 quotes with each of the bidders, I can easily look
back and see that if I had I simply called the 5 same roofers and
asked them to bid on X squares, and then decided on which of them to
talk to in more detail based on that number, I would have chosen the
wrong roofer.

You can't know that.

It was the face to face, Q&A (from both of us), options offered and
suggestions made that led me to choose the roofer that I did, and the
one that I am 100% happy with now that the job is done.

Irrelevant.

When I say it's 2 different ways of geting an estimate, I simply mean
that if it works for you (or Doug) then run with it. It really makes
no difference to me how you choose your contractors. For me, a rough
estimate based on number of squares is too rough for me to work with
and is therefore the wrong way to

...

read more »

the other issue is how many new roofs does anyone pay for in a
lifetime?

with bitchane underlayment and 50 year shingles it might just be
one....

This is my second. In both cases the number of squares was never part
of the discussion and never needed to be.

Should I need another roof in my lifetime, the number of squares will
not be needed in order to get the type of estimates *I* will want to
get.

To each his own...

wrote the following on 5/18/2012 7:06 AM (ET):
On Tue, 15 May 2012 20:16:13 -0400, willshak
wrote:

chaniarts wrote the following on 5/15/2012 6:06 PM (ET):
On 5/15/2012 2:52 PM, Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks
what did the guy say when he came out to give you an estimate after you
looked him up in the yellow pages and called him?

He musta said to ask here.

I never understand why people ask for prices on alt.home.repair?????
It all varies according to the location. For all we know the OP may not
even live in the USA.

Get a few estimates from local companies, or get 20 estimates. Contact
the BBB and consumer protection to get references for reliable
companies. Also contact your local building supply companies and find
out the cost of materials. They may even help you with the details such
as how many nails per square, what kind of flashing, etc. Have them
help you get a complete estimate for all the materials.

Once you know that cost of materials, find out what labor costs for
roofing per hour, or per square. Cost of labor for a tear off, etc.

No one on alt.home.repair can give you an estimate, particularly not
even knowing your location. A roof in Missouri may cost half the price
of one in New York. Most of that will be labor costs, since materials
are more stable in price across the whole country.

Do your own homework beginning with the materials, then the per
hour/square labor costs. Also keep in mind that a 5lb box of nails at
your local hardware store may cost $5 more than at one of the big box
stores. And buying the same nails in a 50lb box may be $1 or $2 per
pound cheaper. Then there's deliver costs, or can you truck the stuff
yourself, and how far, how much gas, etc.... All things to consider.



Why are you telling me all this? I'm not the OP.


--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @

On Sat, 19 May 2012 20:38:11 -0400, willshak
wrote:


Do your own homework beginning with the materials, then the per
hour/square labor costs. Also keep in mind that a 5lb box of nails at
your local hardware store may cost $5 more than at one of the big box
stores. And buying the same nails in a 50lb box may be $1 or $2 per
pound cheaper. Then there's deliver costs, or can you truck the stuff
yourself, and how far, how much gas, etc.... All things to consider.


Why are you telling me all this? I'm not the OP.

Because your wife was just on the Tv News asking how much it costs to
get laid by a *real man* in New Jersey. She should do her own research
and find out how much the materials cost, and the going rate for getting
****ed by different types of men, and different hours of the day or
night, plus weekend rates......

Now you know

On Tue, 15 May 2012 14:52:14 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks


The actual cost will be somewhere between ONE CENT, and ONE HUNDRED
MILLION DOLLARS (US currency).

There's your only accurate answer from alt.home.repair.

On Sat, 19 May 2012 14:29:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 19, 3:45*pm, bob haller wrote:
On May 19, 2:51*pm, "

wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 11:36:53 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 19, 2:13 pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 06:20:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 19, 2:07 am, "Doug" wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2012 00:31:02 -0400, "

wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 05:43:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 11:35 pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 10:52 pm, "
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:40:00 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On May 17, 12:42 am, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 18:52:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 5:20 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:
On May 16, 2:57 pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:53 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
Mike wrote:
I'm trying to research the cost of a new roof.
I have a old house built in 1900.
It's 2.5 story house. There's about 1100sf on the 1st and 2nd floor.

The measurements of the roof line is 33 by 33 and the pitch is very
steep.

I'll need a total rip off along with new decking.
I'm interested in 40 year dimensional asphalt shingles.

I hoping I can keep my gutters since I replaced them about 3 years
ago.

Is this all possable for under 12k.

Any imput would be helpful
Thanks

The good news is that it is easy to get a couple of estimates for this type
of job. It is pretty much a straight up job that doesn't require a lot of
explanation. You would just let the contractors know that it is a complete
tear-off down to the rafters and that you want all new decking and 40-year
dimensional asphalt shingles, and that you would like to be able to keep the
existing gutters and downspouts if they think that is possible.

You don't even have to be there when they do the estimate although if it
were me I would want to be there and hear what they say, see what they are
like to deal with and talk to etc.. But, since they do not need to go into
your house to do the estimate, they can do it anytime without you having to
meet them there.

Your 1100 sq. ft. estimate may or may not be correct. If any of the roofers
do measure it and tell you the actual number of "squares" it is, that would
be good to know. A "square" is 100 sq. ft. (10' x 10'). If your estimate
of 1100 sq. ft. is correct, you have 11 squares.

I don't think so. His roof is on a steep pitch not flat so it's going
to be more than 11 squares. And then the roof may have misc on it to
add to that. Bottom line is more than 11 squares.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As I said/asked in an earlier post:

Why does it matter how many squares the roof is?

The final price is going to be the final price based on not only the
size of the roof, but any other work that may need to be done.

If 3 or more contractors give estimates within a reasonable range of
each other, adjusted for differences in the actual work they'll do and
what materials they will use, what does is matter if the roof is 11
squares, 111 squares or 1.1 squares?

I had 5 estimates and not one of them included the number of squares.
4 of the 5 were within a few of hundred dollars of each other for the
tear-off/re-roof portion of the estimate. One was way out of line for
other reasons.

Why does the number of squares matter - unless, of course, you are
buying your own material?

I'm NOT arguing with you but don't you think it's a good idea for
future reference?

No.

I do.

Why?

I also had a new roof put on about 1 year ago. They estimated mine at
40 to 45 squares including the detached garage.

And what will you do with that information "in the future"?

If your answer is going to be "so I can get a rough estimate" then
you'd better also remember how long your ridges are, how many feet of
ice and water shield you'll need, the number and length of valleys,
etc. or your rough estimate will be so rough it won't be worth the
trouble you went through to remember how many squares you'll need.

Nonsense where I live. If the roofer does enough roofs in the same
area, he knows the average $/square to do the job.

So what I think I'm hearing is this...correct me if I'm wrong.

The next time you need a roof, you're going to call around and ask a
number of roofers to give you an estimate on "40 - 45 squares".

Then, once you have those numbers, you'll choose one or more to come
over and give you an actual quote.

Is that what you mean when you say knowing how many squares is "a good
idea for future reference"?

For my own house, the estimate and the actual quote were close.

So, you knew the number of squares before hand and got some "remote
estimates" before anyone came to the house?

If not, what was the estimate based on?

Google Earth?

I'm not kidding. I've heard that roofing companies are, or were, using GE for
estimates. The geometry and difficulty of the job can be seen a long way off.
;-)

Sure, for a rough estimate based on size/configuration, but you can't
see the details that add a hundred here, two hundred there, from outer
space.

That's exactly what they're doing, a rough estimate.

My final quote went up by a third once we discussed everything that I
wanted and/or needed to be done.

Those details can be discussed over the phone, too.

There's no way a decent estimate can be given without a face to face
discussion - unless you're the type that just says OK and doesn't ask
questions so that you truly understand what you are getting for your
money.

Nonsense.

You and I are on the same page. He's just being silly because he
can't admit he's wrong.

It's not a question of right or wrong. It's just two different ways of
going about getting an estimate. For me, based on my experience,
getting an estimate simply based on the size of my roof doesn't make
sense. It would not even be close to the actual number on the other
factors involved. There were too many others detailed that needed to
be discussed on site.

Now you're back pedaling. No one said there aren't different ways to make
estimates. *YOU* said that the estimator had to be there in person; wrong.- Hide quoted text -

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I'm not backpedaling at all.

Bull****.

I still 100% think that just calling around and getting rough
estimates based on the number of squares is a waste of time because
there are too many other factors involved.

Now you're moving the goal posts. *Nice. *You really can't admit that you're
wrong.

Having just gone through the process, and having to had discussed the
details of all 5 quotes with each of the bidders, I can easily look
back and see that if I had I simply called the 5 same roofers and
asked them to bid on X squares, and then decided on which of them to
talk to in more detail based on that number, I would have chosen the
wrong roofer.

You can't know that.

It was the face to face, Q&A (from both of us), options offered and
suggestions made that led me to choose the roofer that I did, and the
one that I am 100% happy with now that the job is done.

Irrelevant.

When I say it's 2 different ways of geting an estimate, I simply mean
that if it works for you (or Doug) then run with it. It really makes
no difference to me how you choose your contractors. For me, a rough
estimate based on number of squares is too rough for me to work with
and is therefore the wrong way to

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the other issue is how many new roofs does anyone pay for in a
lifetime?

with bitchane underlayment and 50 year shingles it might just be
one....

This is my second. In both cases the number of squares was never part
of the discussion and never needed to be.

Should I need another roof in my lifetime, the number of squares will
not be needed in order to get the type of estimates *I* will want to
get.

To each his own...


Finally we have something you said, we can agree upon grin !!