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I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle),
foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. |
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On 2/6/2012 8:48 AM, Doug wrote:
I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. Why does the foundation need repair? 1993 makes this a newer home. You may want to explain why you are considering these repairs that way it will help people give more informed opinions. |
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On 2/6/2012 7:48 AM, Doug wrote:
I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. Well, it would definitely be better to do the foundation before the sheet rock or floor. Roof versus foundation is a different matter, as far as I can see it shouldn't make much difference which you do first. The roof should be able to shift some as the foundation is repaired, but just for the heck of it I would probably start with the foundation. Bill |
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On 2/6/2012 8:48 AM, Doug wrote:
I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. Gosh...tough choice. WHY are you considering it? Got estimates for the repairs (which would be of utmost importance)? What needs to be done to foundation? If the roof leaks, that makes the roof immediately important. If foundation can't be made whole, then the roof won't matter. The devil is in the details ) |
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Doug wrote: I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. Hmmm, Not even 20 year old house, and needs so many repairs? Any thing in good order? Why bother? Even if price is extremely excellent, I'd hesitate to buy this house. Sounds like house is falling apart. Must be poorly built. |
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:48:42 -0600, "Doug"
wrote: I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. Depends how bad it is. If the foundation is no good the roof is a waste - and if the roof leaks like a seive, the foundation will allwats be wet. I'd make sure the foundation is sound before wasting money on the roof - even if it meant tarping the roof for a couple of weeks. Definitey fix the roof before the drywall, and the founstion before the ceramic floor. |
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On 2/6/2012 7:48 AM, Doug wrote:
I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. As other say, real answer is in the unknown details... I'd say sounds like probably needs to start w/ the drainage as a conjecture, proceed to foundation work required and then on to the roof and rest of structure. But, also as others note, unless you're basically being handed the property, sounds like a potential money $ink w/ marginal payback... -- |
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:49:59 -0600, dpb wrote:
On 2/6/2012 7:48 AM, Doug wrote: I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. As other say, real answer is in the unknown details... I'd say sounds like probably needs to start w/ the drainage as a conjecture, proceed to foundation work required and then on to the roof and rest of structure. But, also as others note, unless you're basically being handed the property, sounds like a potential money $ink w/ marginal payback... Yes, I'm starting to have 2nd thoughts for more reasons than mentioned. Thanks to "ALL" who replied. My apologies I don't mention each name but you know who you are :-) |
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On 2/6/2012 2:12 PM, Doug wrote:
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:49:59 -0600, wrote: On 2/6/2012 7:48 AM, Doug wrote: I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. As other say, real answer is in the unknown details... I'd say sounds like probably needs to start w/ the drainage as a conjecture, proceed to foundation work required and then on to the roof and rest of structure. But, also as others note, unless you're basically being handed the property, sounds like a potential money $ink w/ marginal payback... Yes, I'm starting to have 2nd thoughts for more reasons than mentioned. Thanks to "ALL" who replied. My apologies I don't mention each name but you know who you are :-) It would be interesting to know what the foundation problems are, especially, because of the relatively young age of the house. Without any further info, that would worry me most. If it is a crack in a slab, it may or may not be ominous. If the ground is shifting, it may be a much greater problem. 20 years for a builder-installed roof may be pretty average. Even if it needs major repairs, other factors like location and your ability to pay for all needed work could make it a good investment....doesn't sound like a great idea for a first home or a fixer-upper. |
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"Doug" wrote in message ... I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. 1993 and it needs this much work? My house was built before 1843 (so at least 150 years older than the house you are considering buying) and all we've had to do in the 28 years we've owned it is replace one piece of sill plate (wood rests on stacked stone which is now at ground level) and replace the (original!) metal roof with new decking and new metal. If a new house (1993 is less than 20 years ago!) has cracked floor tile and needs foundation and sheetrock repair it probably wasn't built properly in the first place and had some major settling issues. Sounds like a teardown to me. |
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:13:59 -0500, "h"
wrote: "Doug" wrote in message .. . I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. 1993 and it needs this much work? My house was built before 1843 (so at least 150 years older than the house you are considering buying) and all we've had to do in the 28 years we've owned it is replace one piece of sill plate (wood rests on stacked stone which is now at ground level) and replace the (original!) metal roof with new decking and new metal. If a new house (1993 is less than 20 years ago!) has cracked floor tile and needs foundation and sheetrock repair it probably wasn't built properly in the first place and had some major settling issues. Sounds like a teardown to me. I know what a house that was built about 1880's or so looks like and no question except for the balloon type walls and electrical, it's a better built house. My aunt owned the oldest home in Mohawk Valley I was told when she was alive and I once went in the cellar and saw pegs in the floor joists... don't remember what it was for now. I wish I took pics of it and the house in general. The house was in the suburbs of Utica, NY. Anyway, no I think the slab in this house may have cracked because of the extreme temps we had last summer and clay soil (expands and contracts). I don't think it should be torn down but most definitely needs in my opinion about $30k worth of work (hired help). I was going to fix it up and rent it at first then a few years later, sell it. My preliminary estimate for this investment property puts the cost + repairs at 80 to 81% of market value assuming I could buy it at my price. I haven't made any offer so it's a guess for the moment if I could even get my offer to work. I don't think I would lose money per se if my offer was accepted but I'm not sure I want to get so involved. I figure it might take 3 to 4 months to fix (due to scheduling of the pros). I'll sleep on it some more. If I lose it, I can live with that too. I hold a real estate license and have access to the MLS so I can find other homes... it's just that I'm picky so that limits my considerations. |
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"Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:13:59 -0500, "h" I can live with that too. I hold a real estate license and have access to the MLS so I can find other homes... it's just that I'm picky so that limits my considerations. Everyone has access to MLS. Here's a hint: You don't need a real estate license to _buy_ a home, nor do you need one to sell _your_ own home. So what's the point? |
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:15:36 -0500, "Home Guy" wrote:
"Doug" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:13:59 -0500, "h" I can live with that too. I hold a real estate license and have access to the MLS so I can find other homes... it's just that I'm picky so that limits my considerations. Everyone has access to MLS. Here's a hint: You don't need a real estate license to _buy_ a home, nor do you need one to sell _your_ own home. So what's the point? No you don't have full access to MLS... well at least where I live and I save money on commissions as well. Agreed you don't need a license to buy or sell a house. |
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On 2/6/2012 7:48 AM, Doug wrote:
I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. Roof and GUTTERS, then you can start routing that water AWAY from the foundation you're about to repair. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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I hope you have some money left over, for the repairs. I'd do the roof, if
it's leaking. Wet inside the house is no good. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Doug" wrote in message ... I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. |
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:34:47 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: I hope you have some money left over, for the repairs. I'd do the roof, if it's leaking. Wet inside the house is no good. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org Thanks !!! |
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 06:06:16 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Feb 6, 8:48*am, "Doug" wrote: *I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . * *Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? *This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. That would depend on a lot of factors we don't know. Like is the roof so shot that water is starting to do damage? Was a section blown off in a storm? Is the foundation repair some simple cracks that are stable, or is the house falling into a hole because a proper foundation was never built to begin with? One red flag on the roof is that it apparently lasted less than 20 years, which may indicate some other issue, like inadequate ventilation. You asked a whole bunch of questions in another thread about repairing this house you're considering purchasing. Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you have to ask questions like the above, it's probably not a good idea to buy a house that needs a lot of work. Plenty of people with a lot more experience have bought houses with problems and vastly underestimated what it would cost to fix them. If you have the necessary experience and judgement buying a house like this for the right price can be a great thing. If you don't, it could be hell. I also would not rely much on home inspectors. They frequently miss a lot of major, obvious stuff they should have flagged. And any estimates you get from a contractor for something like foundation repair frequently can go out the window and into major cost escalation once they start work and find more problems that could not be seen until revealed by actually starting work. No offense taken and appreciate the advice !! |
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:13:11 -0800 (PST), Evan
wrote: On Feb 6, 8:48*am, "Doug" wrote: *I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . * *Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? *This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. @Doug: A house that is barely considered "mature" and it has all of those problems ? Wow... Stay away from it... Unless you were fond of that 80's movie The Money Pit... To address your question about which order parts of a building should be repaired or replaced: What order are they built in ? The foundation comes first, if you fixed roof or interior walls before repairing the foundation or other parts of the structural system you might find you need to do some of that cosmetic stuff twice if it needs to be cut open to access parts of the skeleton of the house that are in need of repair... If you fix the floor tiles before the foundation/structure odds are they could crack again if the foundation has settled unevenly and is properly repaired to correct that settling... As others here have said -- the house you are looking at sounds like it has major issues -- if you like the lot the house is on then perhaps look at the purchase as buying the location, as repairing a home with problems can get very expensive, very fast... Costing more and more to "repair" as things are opened up to fix one problem, those areas have to be upgraded to the current building codes... So you see that it can quickly spiral out of control and end up costing just as much as it would have to knock down what was there and rebuild something new, properly structured, weather tight and 90-something percent energy efficient... There is a lot more that needs to be known before a complete answer can be given, but from your brief summary, it sounds like a purchase you should not make... ~~ Evan Thank you Evan. I'm definitely sleeping on this home. |
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:49:58 -0800 (PST), Joe wrote:
On Feb 6, 7:48*am, "Doug" wrote: *I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . * *Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? *This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. Peddle your palace as soon as you can and take the loss off your income taxes. No house that new, that large and with all those problems is worth what it will cost you. A logical question is, how did you ever get trapped into buying such a money pit? Next time you will know better. Joe No, I didn't buy it but I am considering it. If I buy it, I will allow at least 20% allowance over the expenses I already know about in repairs. I know it's going to need fdn repair, roof repair and interior paint, spackle, tile work and maybe a new rug. That's what I know which are to me major expenses. In answer to others, I saw 2 small leaks in the kitchen ceiling but they didn't look fresh to me but I will assume they still leak. Otherwise roof looked okay but due to age, I will want new roof. Heater was working when I entered the house but I didn't check the a/c because it was cold outside and I didn't want to wait long enuf to heat the house hot and then cool it off with the a/c. I did look at the a/c outside and it looked like it had been replaced and was a trane1200 condenser. Foundation had definitely a crack in it due to the evidence in the walls and some tile in bathroom (one end of house) and kitchen (on other end of house). Minor things to me that I noticed were a garage door opener adjustment, decking (structure ok just looks weathered) and some window screens. Obviously I didn't see everything but I was in the house just looking for obvious or major expenses upon my first visit. |
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:53:43 -0600, "Doug"
wrote: On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:49:58 -0800 (PST), Joe wrote: On Feb 6, 7:48*am, "Doug" wrote: *I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . * *Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? *This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. Peddle your palace as soon as you can and take the loss off your income taxes. No house that new, that large and with all those problems is worth what it will cost you. A logical question is, how did you ever get trapped into buying such a money pit? Next time you will know better. Joe No, I didn't buy it but I am considering it. If I buy it, I will allow at least 20% allowance over the expenses I already know about in repairs. I know it's going to need fdn repair, roof repair and interior paint, spackle, tile work and maybe a new rug. That's what I know which are to me major expenses. In answer to others, I saw 2 small leaks in the kitchen ceiling but they didn't look fresh to me but I will assume they still leak. Otherwise roof looked okay but due to age, I will want new roof. Heater was working when I entered the house but I didn't check the a/c because it was cold outside and I didn't want to wait long enuf to heat the house hot and then cool it off with the a/c. I did look at the a/c outside and it looked like it had been replaced and was a trane1200 condenser. Foundation had definitely a crack in it due to the evidence in the walls and some tile in bathroom (one end of house) and kitchen (on other end of house). Minor things to me that I noticed were a garage door opener adjustment, decking (structure ok just looks weathered) and some window screens. Obviously I didn't see everything but I was in the house just looking for obvious or major expenses upon my first visit. Here's my estimate for the major stuff and some minor stuff I quickly noticed (having based on recent estimates on other homes except for wild guesses noted) but I will get real estimates from contractors... inside paint.... $4000 foundation.... $6000 garage door opener adj.... $250 decking (optional repair expense).... $1500 (wild guess on this) new roof (tear off incl) .... $7000 rug..... $4000 (wild guess on this but house is 2400sq ft with some tile) landscaping (not extensive).... $500 misc... $9000 I know there will be tile work to some degree due to cracking and other misc stuff so I'm hoping my $9000 will cover this.... assuming I purchase it. Based on comps in the neighborhood and if I can purchase it with what I have in mind... purchase price plus above is about 80 to 81% of market value. In my opinion if my repair cost is greater, the worst scenario is I'd break even. I can buy other homes not really in need of repair (or minor at best) but I will only get a 5% or so discount vs this 20% discount. The 5% homes have more chance of appreciating tho. I guess I will have to sleep more on this. |
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On Feb 7, 7:23*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:53:43 -0600, "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:49:58 -0800 (PST), Joe wrote: On Feb 6, 7:48*am, "Doug" wrote: *I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . * *Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? *This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. Peddle your palace as soon as you can and take the loss off your income taxes. No house that new, that large and with all those problems is worth what it will cost you. A logical question is, how did you ever get trapped into buying such a money pit? Next time you will know better. Joe No, I didn't buy it but I am considering it. *If I buy it, I will allow at least 20% allowance over the expenses I already know about in repairs. *I know it's going to need fdn repair, roof repair and interior paint, spackle, tile work and maybe a new rug. *That's what I know which are to me major expenses. In answer to others, I saw 2 small leaks in the kitchen ceiling but they didn't look fresh to me but I will assume they still leak. Otherwise roof looked okay but due to age, I will want new roof. Heater was working when I entered the house but I didn't check the a/c because it was cold outside and I didn't want to wait long enuf to heat the house hot and then cool it off with the a/c. *I did look at the a/c outside and it looked like it had been replaced and was a trane1200 condenser. *Foundation had definitely a crack in it due to the evidence in the walls and some tile in bathroom (one end of house) and kitchen (on other end of house). *Minor things to me that I noticed were a garage door opener adjustment, decking (structure ok just looks weathered) and some window screens. *Obviously I didn't see everything but I was in the house just looking for obvious or major expenses upon my first visit. Here's my estimate for the major stuff and some minor stuff I quickly noticed (having based on recent estimates on other homes except for wild guesses noted) but I will get real estimates from contractors... inside paint.... $4000 foundation.... *$6000 garage door opener adj.... * $250 decking (optional repair expense).... *$1500 * (wild guess on this) new roof (tear off incl) .... *$7000 rug..... * * * * *$4000 *(wild guess on this but house is 2400sq ft with some tile) landscaping (not extensive).... $500 misc... * * $9000 I know there will be tile work to some degree due to cracking and other misc stuff so I'm hoping my $9000 will cover this.... assuming I purchase it. *Based on comps in the neighborhood and if I can purchase it with what I have in mind... * purchase price plus above is about 80 to 81% of market value. *In my opinion if my repair cost is greater, the worst scenario is I'd break even. *I can buy other homes not really in need of repair (or minor at best) but I will only get a 5% or so discount vs this 20% discount. * The 5% homes have more chance of appreciating tho. *I guess I will have to sleep more on this.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - i would get a structural engineer to look at the cracked foundation. it may be trivial but it could be a big problem./ all homes will need painted and carpet and stuff like that. get a home inspection and use what they uncover to beat down the sellers price futher |
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On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 07:25:23 -0800 (PST), bob haller
wrote: On Feb 7, 7:23*am, "Doug" wrote: On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:53:43 -0600, "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:49:58 -0800 (PST), Joe wrote: On Feb 6, 7:48*am, "Doug" wrote: *I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . * *Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? *This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. Peddle your palace as soon as you can and take the loss off your income taxes. No house that new, that large and with all those problems is worth what it will cost you. A logical question is, how did you ever get trapped into buying such a money pit? Next time you will know better. Joe No, I didn't buy it but I am considering it. *If I buy it, I will allow at least 20% allowance over the expenses I already know about in repairs. *I know it's going to need fdn repair, roof repair and interior paint, spackle, tile work and maybe a new rug. *That's what I know which are to me major expenses. In answer to others, I saw 2 small leaks in the kitchen ceiling but they didn't look fresh to me but I will assume they still leak. Otherwise roof looked okay but due to age, I will want new roof. Heater was working when I entered the house but I didn't check the a/c because it was cold outside and I didn't want to wait long enuf to heat the house hot and then cool it off with the a/c. *I did look at the a/c outside and it looked like it had been replaced and was a trane1200 condenser. *Foundation had definitely a crack in it due to the evidence in the walls and some tile in bathroom (one end of house) and kitchen (on other end of house). *Minor things to me that I noticed were a garage door opener adjustment, decking (structure ok just looks weathered) and some window screens. *Obviously I didn't see everything but I was in the house just looking for obvious or major expenses upon my first visit. Here's my estimate for the major stuff and some minor stuff I quickly noticed (having based on recent estimates on other homes except for wild guesses noted) but I will get real estimates from contractors... inside paint.... $4000 foundation.... *$6000 garage door opener adj.... * $250 decking (optional repair expense).... *$1500 * (wild guess on this) new roof (tear off incl) .... *$7000 rug..... * * * * *$4000 *(wild guess on this but house is 2400sq ft with some tile) landscaping (not extensive).... $500 misc... * * $9000 I know there will be tile work to some degree due to cracking and other misc stuff so I'm hoping my $9000 will cover this.... assuming I purchase it. *Based on comps in the neighborhood and if I can purchase it with what I have in mind... * purchase price plus above is about 80 to 81% of market value. *In my opinion if my repair cost is greater, the worst scenario is I'd break even. *I can buy other homes not really in need of repair (or minor at best) but I will only get a 5% or so discount vs this 20% discount. * The 5% homes have more chance of appreciating tho. *I guess I will have to sleep more on this.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - i would get a structural engineer to look at the cracked foundation. it may be trivial but it could be a big problem./ all homes will need painted and carpet and stuff like that. get a home inspection and use what they uncover to beat down the sellers price futher Already have a structural engineer on this and my offer is already beating down the list price... of course I don't know if it will be accepted till I make the offer. I'm still thinking while looking at other homes. Thanks. |
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:49:58 -0800 (PST), Joe wrote:
On Feb 6, 7:48Â*am, "Doug" wrote: Â*I'm considering buying a house that needs a new roof (shingle), foundation repair, sheetrock repair, cracked ceramic floor tile, etc... . Â* Â*Does the order of repair matter for the roof vs foundation repair? Â*This is for a one story house (around 2400 sq feet) built around 1993. Peddle your palace as soon as you can and take the loss off your income taxes. No house that new, that large and with all those problems is worth what it will cost you. A logical question is, how did you ever get trapped into buying such a money pit? Next time you will know better. Joe Joe can't read. The OP said he "is considering buying" |
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