" wrote:

Tell me what is more important.

The right to bear arms, or your liberty - the right to travel and
move about *in your own country* without the gov't knowing and
tracking and sanctioning your every trip.

You accuse others of making bizarre comparisons and then you come
up with this gem?

It's a totally accurate statement.

You must have the USA confused with the former Soviet Union
or North Korea.

That's exactly what the US has become. Can't see the forest for the
trees, eh?

The govt is not sanctioning or tracking every trip.

You can only get on a plane if you're not on the no-fly list, and you
provide gov't issued identification.

You can only get on a plane when you meet all their requirements for
carry-on and checked bags, and you submit to an invasive personal search
of your person.

Prior to 9/11, you could pay cash for a plane ticket, and board a
domestic flight without showing ID of any kind.

They do stamp passports and TRY to keep track of who enters and
leaves the country.

I'm not talking about international flights or cross-border travel you
boob.

Go back and read what I posted. I said:

=========
You no longer have the right to liberty - which is (in part) the
free and anonymous travel *within* your own country.
=========

The TSA is operating checkpoints on your highways, bus, train and subway
stations. If you don't submit yourself to their questions and searches,
you won't be allowed to continue. That's what I call the surrender of
your liberty.

So go ahead and polish and fondle your guns all you want - while your
liberty is being taken away from you, one Viper team at a time.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec...oints-20111220

On Jan 3, 12:50*pm, Home Guy wrote:
" wrote:
Tell me what is more important.

The right to bear arms, or your liberty - the right to travel and
move about *in your own country* without the gov't knowing and
tracking and sanctioning your every trip.

You accuse others of making bizarre comparisons and then you come
up with this gem?

It's a totally accurate statement.

The comparison of annual deaths due to guns
and deaths from cancer was also accurate.
But you objected to that....




You must have the USA confused with the former Soviet Union
or North Korea.

That's exactly what the US has become. *Can't see the forest for the
trees, eh?

If you think the US has become North Korea, then
you really are totally deranged.



The govt is not sanctioning or tracking every trip.

You can only get on a plane if you're not on the no-fly list, and you
provide gov't issued identification.

The airlines have a no fly list and check passenger names
against it. They do not provide the govt with a list
that says John Smith took a flight from Newark to
San Diego at 2PM on Jan 2. If you have evidence they
do, provide it.

Yes, you have to provide govt issued identification.
So, what? You tried to link this to gun control.
I guess you've never traveled much, have you?
Otherwise you'd know that govts in countries with
strict gun control laws or limited gun control laws
all require the same thing, ID, screening of carry on
luggage, etc. What exactly is your problem with
the USA?


You can only get on a plane when you meet all their requirements for
carry-on and checked bags, and you submit to an invasive personal search
of your person.

Once again, you're confused. How many miles
exactly have you flown? I've logged 1mil+ miles flown
and I've never had an invasive personal search.
I have had the metal detection wand run over me
maybe 12 times. I've been patted down, asked
to empty my pockets a few times. I've had them
find the forgotten bananna in my briefcase.
And guess what?
Most of those experiences were outside the USA.

That's because the screening process is in place
around the world. Been to France? Gy? China? Procedures are
remarkably the
same. Except that in some places like France
they tend to have soldiers with automatic weapons
walking around the gates, watching passengers
get off the bus and onto the plane, etc.



Prior to 9/11, you could pay cash for a plane ticket, and board a
domestic flight without showing ID of any kind.

That of course is flat out wrong. Within hours of
911 the govt knew who the hijackers were because
the airlines had their identities logged.





They do stamp passports and TRY to keep track of who enters and
leaves the country.

I'm not talking about international flights or cross-border travel you
boob.

Go back and read what I posted. *I said:

=========
You no longer have the right to liberty - which is (in part) the
free and anonymous travel *within* your own country.
=========

The TSA is operating checkpoints on your highways, bus, train and subway
stations. *If you don't submit yourself to their questions and searches,
you won't be allowed to continue. *That's what I call the surrender of
your liberty.

That's what I call you being an idiot. I travel the roads
everyday. And other than DWI checkpoints, which
have been around for decades, and being pulled over
for a traffic violation, I have never been
stopped for any searches or questioning. I ride the
NYC subways and trains here too and have never seen
a TSA person or checkpoint there either.

Where exactly doi you live that makes you such
an expert on what goes on here? I'll bet you
don't even live here and get your BS info from some
commie pinko rag.




If TSA wants
to conduct some screening of commercial trucks
in conjunction with state police, which have been doing
that for years, I have no problem with it.




So go ahead and polish and fondle your guns all you want - while your
liberty is being taken away from you, one Viper team at a time.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec...rror-checkpoin...

And of course when a terrorists finally gets lucky
and drives a truck bomb into NYC, you'll be right
here bitching away like a true Monday morning
quarterback about how bad the USA is for not
preventing it.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Jan 3, 4:38 am, "Steve B" wrote:
How many stories like this can happen, day after day, year after year,
and you gun-loving fools can say with a straight face that your
country is a better place because of your constitutional right to own
firearms...

Look around you. Society is going in the crapper. People are out of
jobs.
Gangs abound.

What are things like on your planet?

Steve

Safer.

Really ??
Let's see
http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

You are 25% more likely to be a crime victim in the UK than the US
You are 133% more likely to be the victim of assault in the UK than the US
Bribery is 16% higher in the UK than the US
There are 326 times more drug offenses committed in the UK than the US
(Having all those druggies around must make you safer too)
Americans feel 17% safer than residents of the UK
You have 125% more rape victims than the US
(That's YOUR definition of "safer" for your women..)


I don't know what YOUR definition of "safer" is
But the statistics put the lie to your claim

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:50:34 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

Go back and read what I posted. I said:

=========
You no longer have the right to liberty - which is (in part) the
free and anonymous travel *within* your own country.
=========

What a silly statement. We can travel by air, with guns in luggage...

By "within" -- are you suggesting the government knows where every
illegal alien, terrorist, homeless person, and runaway or missing
children are?

I thought so...

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I started hearing semiautomatic gunfire about 6:30pm. I haven't heard
any bullets land on the roof or vehicles yet. Years back when I had a
warehouse downtown, I found a number of 7.62 and 5.56 bullets on the
street in front of my place. There were rifling marks on them. o_O

TDD

This is one of the many consequences of the liberals insistence on "open
borders", we import people from third world cultures who think this
"celebratory gunfire" is ok. This isn't something from the "redneck
south" like the anti kooks try to claim, it's entirely imported.

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:35:56 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

I think the issue here is that the law is being interpreted
in ways that were never intended. The law is designed
to prevent a straw purchase where someone is buying
a gun at the request of another. The simplest
solution is for the husband to take the wife to the gun store
and have her listed as the buyer and actually pay for it
with money that he gave her. That means that the
wife has to meet all the reqts for the purchase. Problem solved.
What's so hard about that?

Nothing really. A simpler way is to give a gift card for the gun shop.

"Here honey buy what you want."

"When you come home can I touch it?"

On 1/3/2012 1:53 PM, Pete C. wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I started hearing semiautomatic gunfire about 6:30pm. I haven't heard
any bullets land on the roof or vehicles yet. Years back when I had a
warehouse downtown, I found a number of 7.62 and 5.56 bullets on the
street in front of my place. There were rifling marks on them. o_O

TDD

This is one of the many consequences of the liberals insistence on "open
borders", we import people from third world cultures who think this
"celebratory gunfire" is ok. This isn't something from the "redneck
south" like the anti kooks try to claim, it's entirely imported.

Actually it was probably some of my darker skinned cousins in this part
of town. It is also heard in rural areas perpetrated by my lighter
skinned cousins but out there away from town, it's much safer. The
people who handle firearms irresponsibly are of all varieties of human
but they all have one thing in common: "stupidity". ^_^

TDD

wrote:
On Jan 2, 11:35 pm, "
wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:40:44 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:
wrote:

Interestingly, it's illegal to buy a gun (as a gift, for instance)
for someone else, even a spouse. I would never do such a thing. "Of
course the pink revolver is for me, sweetie.".

In what benighted jurisdiction is that true? There's a difference
in intent between a straw-purchase and a gift purchase and,
inasmuch as "intent" is a necessary element of every criminal
offense, if you intend the weapon as a gift, no foul.

Vermont. I was told it was federal. They told me the same thing here
in Alabama. The name on the yellow-sheet was for the end user. I
mentioned,
both times how silly it was since it was perfectly legal for me to
transfer it after. ...and my wife? Oh, she was told the same thing
when she said she was going to buy one for me. Nope. No can do. I
only assumed it was federal. It couldn't be a Vermont gun law. They
don't have any. ;-)

Federal law certainly allows you can buy a gun as a present or to
overcome some other disability.

How else does a 12-year old get his first .22? Or his first Barrett
50-cal?

He doesn't. His parents do.

I think the issue here is that the law is being interpreted
in ways that were never intended. The law is designed
to prevent a straw purchase where someone is buying
a gun at the request of another. The simplest
solution is for the husband to take the wife to the gun store
and have her listed as the buyer and actually pay for it
with money that he gave her. That means that the
wife has to meet all the reqts for the purchase. Problem solved.
What's so hard about that?

A. It spoils the idea of a surprise gift.
B. It's totally unnecessary.
C. It may cause a divorce when the wife, under penalty of perjury, admits
she's ineligible to own a gun having formerly served time in a federal
prison for white slavery and felonious mopery (exposing oneself to a blind
person).

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:48:18 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

What's so hard about that?

A. It spoils the idea of a surprise gift.
B. It's totally unnecessary.
C. It may cause a divorce when the wife, under penalty of perjury, admits
she's ineligible to own a gun having formerly served time in a federal
prison for white slavery and felonious mopery (exposing oneself to a blind
person).

D. Hostile Indianism

I've heard that in generations gone by, kids kept guns in the locker in the
lower 48, if they planned to go to the dump and shoot rats after school.

Did the Alaska boys also shoot food on the way home? So Mom didn't have to
fly a couple hundred miles to the store and buy meat?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

I know a guy who grew up in Alaska and he and the other school kids
carried guns to school. When they got to school, their guns went into
their lockers along with their arctic gear, the snow shoes were probably
too big to fit in their lockers. The guns had something to do with
keeping bears and wolves from eating them on their way to school. There
was never a fight or any violence at the school involving guns. ^_^

TDD

After the various Patriot Acts, and the new one where the Military can just
snatch people without trial. It's starting to look a bit more like Germany
in the late thirties. What do you think, Comrade Herr Dufas?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

The right to bear arms is so you can shoot the Nazi trying to take your
freedom. ^_^

TDD

"Attila.Iskander" wrote:

What are things like on your planet?

Steve

Safer.

Really ??
Let's see
http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

You are 25% more likely to be a crime victim in the UK than the US
You are 133% more likely to be the victim of assault in the UK
Bribery is 16% higher in the UK than the US
There are 326 times more drug offenses committed in the UK
You have 125% more rape victims than the US

Drug offences:

UK: 183,419 per 100,000 people

Did you stop and think about that one? Do you think that maybe that
number is ****ed up?

Why didn't you talk about murders committed by youth?

US: Ranked 3'rd in the world, 58 times higher than UK.

Why didn't you talk about murders with firearms?

US: Ranked 1'st in the world, 668 times higher than UK.

Why didn't you mention total crime?

US ranked first in the world, 82% higher than UK.

Why didn't you mention car thefts?

US ranked 1'st in the world, 3 times higher than UK.

On 1/3/2012 8:47 PM, Home Guy wrote:
"Attila.Iskander" wrote:

What are things like on your planet?

Steve

Safer.

Really ??
Let's see
http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

You are 25% more likely to be a crime victim in the UK than the US
You are 133% more likely to be the victim of assault in the UK
Bribery is 16% higher in the UK than the US
There are 326 times more drug offenses committed in the UK
You have 125% more rape victims than the US

Drug offences:

UK: 183,419 per 100,000 people

Did you stop and think about that one? Do you think that maybe that
number is ****ed up?

Why didn't you talk about murders committed by youth?

US: Ranked 3'rd in the world, 58 times higher than UK.

Why didn't you talk about murders with firearms?

US: Ranked 1'st in the world, 668 times higher than UK.

Why didn't you mention total crime?

US ranked first in the world, 82% higher than UK.

Why didn't you mention car thefts?

US ranked 1'st in the world, 3 times higher than UK.

Population of The United States: +309 million

Population of The United Kingdom: +62 million

The UK is an island nation while The US is between two different
countries with very long porous borders. The UK and US have little
in common except a very similar language. Trying to compare the two
countries as far as the behavior of citizens and non-citizens within
their respective borders is downright silly. There are too many
differences in cultural and types of governments to make any meaningful
comparison. Heck, the US has more people behind bars than the population
of some countries. ^_^

TDD

On Jan 3, 5:05*pm, "
wrote:
On Jan 2, 10:33*am, Home Guy wrote:





RosemontCrest wrote:
Yup. We need to suspend the constitutionally-protected freedoms of
all law-abiding citizens because of the occasional, irresponsible
abuses of only a few people. Gee, that makes sense... Sigh.

Yea, just like so many of your rights have been taken from you as you
partake in air travel.

And note that the TSA is not just in airports. *They are expanding their
presence on your highways, bus, train and subway stations. *You no
longer have the right to liberty - which is (in part) the free(1) and
anonymous travel within your own country.

(1) by free, I mean free of identity-checking, presentation of
documents, searches of your person or property.

Tell me what is more important.

The right to bear arms, or your liberty - the right to travel and move
about *in your own country* without the gov't knowing and tracking and
sanctioning your every trip.

You accuse others of making bizarre comparisons and
then you come up with this gem? *You must have the USA
confused with the former Soviet Union or North Korea.
The govt is not sanctioning or tracking every trip. *They do
stamp passports and TRY to keep track of who enters and
leaves the country. * But those procedures and the TSA
screening procedures for flights are followed by every
country around the world, including those that have the
most restrictive gun laws. * In fact, the countries with the
most restrictive gun laws, eg places like North Korea,
Cuba, China, former Soviet Union, also have the most
restrictions on free travel, including not letting anyone
leave at all.

So, why don't you make the countries that are really
denying the most basic human rights the focus of
your concern?



No, you can't un-do the right to bear arms. *Your society is permeated
with guns and you can't un-do that. *It was a bad decision on the part
of the founding fathers to put that in the constitution.

According to you. *I've lived here and it's served me well.
You conveniently find one kid that was hit by a stray bullet.
Yes, that's terrible. *But how about you also list all the lives
saved, the assaults and rapes that were prevented because
someone had the right to have a gun? *And in most cases,
the gun isn't even used. *Just displaying it was enough to
stop the crime. *Why should a 90 pound woman be
denied the right to equalize the odds against a rapist
entering her home?

*You have to

live with it now - that is, unless you get shot by a gun and your "right
to life" has been taken from you.

The really sad thing is that you all feel that the fate of this 12
year-old boy is a justifiable cost in terms of the over-all benefit you
feel that you gain by having the right to bear arms. *A gain that none
of you can even explain.

I just did explain it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

People in the USA are more brainwashed than the ones in N.Korea.
The US government is more repressive than the N. Korean gov.

On Jan 3, 6:46*pm, "Attila.Iskander" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...

On Jan 3, 4:38 am, "Steve B" wrote:
How many stories like this can happen, day after day, year after year,
and you gun-loving fools can say with a straight face that your
country is a better place because of your constitutional right to own
firearms...

Look around you. *Society is going in the crapper. *People are out of
jobs.
Gangs abound.

What are things like on your planet?

Steve

Safer.

Really ??
Let's see
* *http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

You are 25% more likely to be a crime victim in the UK than the US
You are 133% more likely to be the victim of assault in the UK than the US
Bribery is 16% higher in the UK than the US
There are 326 times more drug offenses committed in the UK than the US
* * (Having all those druggies around must make you safer too)
Americans feel 17% safer than residents of the UK
You have 125% more rape victims than the US
* * (That's YOUR definition of "safer" for your women..)

I don't know what YOUR definition of "safer" is
* * But the statistics put the lie to your claim

Safer is not being shot by some deranged nutcase. Not the irrelevant
drivel you have come up with.
This should give you a clue. Are you a retard?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...nd-deaths.html

On Jan 3, 6:46*pm, "Attila.Iskander" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...

On Jan 3, 4:38 am, "Steve B" wrote:
How many stories like this can happen, day after day, year after year,
and you gun-loving fools can say with a straight face that your
country is a better place because of your constitutional right to own
firearms...

Look around you. *Society is going in the crapper. *People are out of
jobs.
Gangs abound.

What are things like on your planet?

Steve

Safer.

Really ??
Let's see
* *http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

You are 25% more likely to be a crime victim in the UK than the US
You are 133% more likely to be the victim of assault in the UK than the US
Bribery is 16% higher in the UK than the US
There are 326 times more drug offenses committed in the UK than the US
* * (Having all those druggies around must make you safer too)
Americans feel 17% safer than residents of the UK
You have 125% more rape victims than the US
* * (That's YOUR definition of "safer" for your women..)

I don't know what YOUR definition of "safer" is
* * But the statistics put the lie to your claim

I notice too from your own link you left out the statistics about
murders comitted by firearms.
Just shows what a creeping liar/retard you are.
USA is fourth from the worst/topofthe list.
UK is thirtyninth.

You are nearly 700 times more likely to by murdered by gun in the USA
compared with the UK.

The USA is up there along with Colombia and South Africa.
You are four times more likely to be murdered by gun in the USA than
Mexico.

How is it that this is no surprise to anyone who has more than half a
brain?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-with-firearms

Now go away and get an education you retard instead of spouting NRA
drivel on here.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
After the various Patriot Acts, and the new one where the Military
can just snatch people without trial. It's starting to look a bit
more like Germany in the late thirties. What do you think, Comrade
Herr Dufas?


It's not a "new one." Unlawful Enemy Combatants (spies, saboteurs,
fifth-columnists, guerrilla fighters, etc., have been outside the rules of
the various conventions and treaties governing conflicts between
belligerents. The "usual rules of war" allow the capturing entity to deal
with these folks in a most peremptory fashion (i.e. "stand next to that
wall").

Our first UEA was Major John Andre who was captured behind our lines in
disguise. He was given a quick review by a military court and hanged by
order of George Washington.

Under his Article II powers, and following the usual rules of war, the
president (or his designee) may select anyone and designate them a UEA, and
there is nothing the Congress or the courts can do about it. Several cases
(see the "Prize Cases") have affirmed this position, even leading one
appellate judge to opine "...if the citizenry do not like the president's
decisions, they can replace him at the next election".

The system works. In our nation's history, only a handful of people have
been scooped up and disappeared.

Probably.

harry wrote:

People in the USA are more brainwashed than the ones in N.Korea.
The US government is more repressive than the N. Korean gov.

I'm glad you explained that. I was, frankly, confused. Now I have the
answer.

Thanks.

harry wrote:

I notice too from your own link you left out the statistics about
murders comitted by firearms.
Just shows what a creeping liar/retard you are.
USA is fourth from the worst/topofthe list.
UK is thirtyninth.

You are nearly 700 times more likely to by murdered by gun in the USA
compared with the UK.

The USA is up there along with Colombia and South Africa.
You are four times more likely to be murdered by gun in the USA than
Mexico.

How is it that this is no surprise to anyone who has more than half a
brain?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-with-firearms

Now go away and get an education you retard instead of spouting NRA
drivel on here.

More murders per capita in the US granted. But raw numbers are not that
simple.

You have to look at whether the dead people needed killing.

In the vast majority of cases, they did. Subtracting the killing of goblins,
stink-eyes, gomers, and other evil-doers from the tabulation, the US is in
a very competitive position compared to the rest of the world.

Thanks for the background. I hope only a few (well deserving) people have
been scooped up. Wish they could have done that to the 17 Saudis before they
put their flight training to use, on Sept 11, 2001.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

The system works. In our nation's history, only a handful of people have
been scooped up and disappeared.

Probably.

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:47:22 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

"Attila.Iskander" wrote:

What are things like on your planet?

Steve

Safer.

Really ??
Let's see
http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

You are 25% more likely to be a crime victim in the UK than the US
You are 133% more likely to be the victim of assault in the UK
Bribery is 16% higher in the UK than the US
There are 326 times more drug offenses committed in the UK
You have 125% more rape victims than the US

Drug offences:

UK: 183,419 per 100,000 people

Did you stop and think about that one? Do you think that maybe that
number is ****ed up?

Why didn't you talk about murders committed by youth?

US: Ranked 3'rd in the world, 58 times higher than UK.

Why didn't you talk about murders with firearms?

US: Ranked 1'st in the world, 668 times higher than UK.

Why didn't you mention total crime?

US ranked first in the world, 82% higher than UK.

Why didn't you mention car thefts?

US ranked 1'st in the world, 3 times higher than UK.

Don't know about the others stats, but a female youth has a one in three
chance of being a victim of sexual abuse before they reach age 18 here in
the us. And the school administrators empower the rapes by insulting and
degrading the victims.

On 1/4/2012 1:40 AM, harry wrote:
On Jan 3, 6:46 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jan 3, 4:38 am, "Steve wrote:
How many stories like this can happen, day after day, year after year,
and you gun-loving fools can say with a straight face that your
country is a better place because of your constitutional right to own
firearms...

Look around you. Society is going in the crapper. People are out of
jobs.
Gangs abound.

What are things like on your planet?

Steve

Safer.

Really ??
Let's see
http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

You are 25% more likely to be a crime victim in the UK than the US
You are 133% more likely to be the victim of assault in the UK than the US
Bribery is 16% higher in the UK than the US
There are 326 times more drug offenses committed in the UK than the US
(Having all those druggies around must make you safer too)
Americans feel 17% safer than residents of the UK
You have 125% more rape victims than the US
(That's YOUR definition of "safer" for your women..)

I don't know what YOUR definition of "safer" is
But the statistics put the lie to your claim

I notice too from your own link you left out the statistics about
murders comitted by firearms.
Just shows what a creeping liar/retard you are.
USA is fourth from the worst/topofthe list.
UK is thirtyninth.

You are nearly 700 times more likely to by murdered by gun in the USA
compared with the UK.

The USA is up there along with Colombia and South Africa.
You are four times more likely to be murdered by gun in the USA than
Mexico.

How is it that this is no surprise to anyone who has more than half a
brain?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-with-firearms

Now go away and get an education you retard instead of spouting NRA
drivel on here.


I've been reading that the number of crimes involving firearms is on the
rise in The UK and the perpetrators are teenagers. I wonder what's
going on over there to your civilized society? o_O

TDD

On Jan 4, 1:41*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Thanks for the background. I hope only a few (well deserving) people have
been scooped up. Wish they could have done that to the 17 Saudis before they
put *their flight training to use, on Sept 11, 2001.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"HeyBub" wrote in message

m...

The system works. In our nation's history, only a handful of people have
been scooped up and disappeared.

Probably.

So far.

"harry" wrote in message
...

People in the USA are more brainwashed than the ones in N.Korea.
The US government is more repressive than the N. Korean gov.

Thank you for proving that you're a ****ing moron and loony..
Better put your tinfoil cap back on.

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:48:03 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

The difference being the activties of the NK are confined to within
it's own border whereas the USA is quite likely tostart a war/
subversion/invasion anywhere on the globe.

An exactly what would be wrong with that? May I ask.

"Home Guy" wrote in message ...
"Attila.Iskander" wrote:

What are things like on your planet?

Steve

Safer.

Really ??
Let's see
http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

You are 25% more likely to be a crime victim in the UK than the US
You are 133% more likely to be the victim of assault in the UK
Bribery is 16% higher in the UK than the US
There are 326 times more drug offenses committed in the UK
You have 125% more rape victims than the US

Drug offences:

UK: 183,419 per 100,000 people


Nothing to do with being less safe

Did you stop and think about that one? Do you think that maybe that
number is ****ed up?


NO need,
You're one of the ****ed-up ones who imagines that some guy petting meth up
his nose is automatically dangerous to me..



Why didn't you talk about murders committed by youth?

US: Ranked 3'rd in the world, 58 times higher than UK.



Yup
They are committed by a very small minority of the population. Young Black
and Hispanic males, who also happen to be 5 times more likely to commit
murder and 7 times more likely to be murdered, than ANY OTHER GROUP in the
general population
In other words you ignorant twit, they KILL EACH OTHER...
Again, no big danger to me, since I don't hang where they do, nor do I live
the lifestyle they do..


Why didn't you talk about murders with firearms?


Why ?
Is it somehow more special that murder by other means
Not to mention that most people in the US are NOT as much at risk as a SMALL
MINORITY of the population (see above)

What dishonest ****heads like you implicit is that somehow, law-abiding
citizens with guns become criminals
Ironically, Mexico, just south of the US with VERY STRICT gun-control laws,
has a far higher murder rate than the US

It is NOT the guns dickhead


US: Ranked 1'st in the world, 668 times higher than UK.

Why didn't you mention total crime?


Try again LIAR
There are 7 other countries with HIGHER homicide with guns rates than the US
And ironically ALL of them have STRICTER gun control than the US

Kind of put the lie to your implication that the presence of guns causes
crime
But then gun-controllers will lie whenever they can


US ranked first in the world, 82% higher than UK.

Why didn't you mention car thefts?

US ranked 1'st in the world, 3 times higher than UK.

YOU were the ****head who raised the issue of "being safer"
How does car theft make you "less safe", moron ?

Since it has NO effect on my personal safety - which was the original claim
about the UK "being safer"
Any moron, except the really stupid ones knows that a car theft is NOT
considered a "being safer issue"

Not to mention, that unlike you, I am able to defend myself if anyone tries
to steal my car
Something that would get you in jail in the UK for trying
And then the UK government will actually pay the lawyer fees of the criminal
to sue you for damages



But thanks for the occasion to demonstrate how stupid and intellectually
dishonest you, and the rest of the gun-control crowd actually is.

"Michael Dobony" wrote in message
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:47:22 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

"Attila.Iskander" wrote:

What are things like on your planet?

Steve

Safer.

Really ??
Let's see
http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

You are 25% more likely to be a crime victim in the UK than the US
You are 133% more likely to be the victim of assault in the UK
Bribery is 16% higher in the UK than the US
There are 326 times more drug offenses committed in the UK
You have 125% more rape victims than the US

Drug offences:

UK: 183,419 per 100,000 people

Did you stop and think about that one? Do you think that maybe that
number is ****ed up?

Why didn't you talk about murders committed by youth?

US: Ranked 3'rd in the world, 58 times higher than UK.

Why didn't you talk about murders with firearms?

US: Ranked 1'st in the world, 668 times higher than UK.

Why didn't you mention total crime?

US ranked first in the world, 82% higher than UK.

Why didn't you mention car thefts?

US ranked 1'st in the world, 3 times higher than UK.

Don't know about the others stats, but a female youth has a one in three
chance of being a victim of sexual abuse before they reach age 18 here in
the us. And the school administrators empower the rapes by insulting and
degrading the victims.

Stupid generalization

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Jan 3, 6:46 pm, "Attila.Iskander" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...

On Jan 3, 4:38 am, "Steve B" wrote:
How many stories like this can happen, day after day, year after
year,
and you gun-loving fools can say with a straight face that your
country is a better place because of your constitutional right to
own
firearms...

Look around you. Society is going in the crapper. People are out of
jobs.
Gangs abound.

What are things like on your planet?

Steve

Safer.

Really ??
Let's see
http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

You are 25% more likely to be a crime victim in the UK than the US
You are 133% more likely to be the victim of assault in the UK than the
US
Bribery is 16% higher in the UK than the US
There are 326 times more drug offenses committed in the UK than the US
(Having all those druggies around must make you safer too)
Americans feel 17% safer than residents of the UK
You have 125% more rape victims than the US
(That's YOUR definition of "safer" for your women..)

I don't know what YOUR definition of "safer" is
But the statistics put the lie to your claim

Safer is not being shot by some deranged nutcase. Not the irrelevant
drivel you have come up with.

Ah yes, ignore all the OTHER crimes that affect your safety
After all safety is ONLY about the risk of being shot

But ignorati such as you IGNORE the a very large number of the homicides in
the US are committee by a VERY SMALL minority ON EACH OTHER
And if that small segment of the population is ignored, I have about as much
chance of getting shot as idiots in the UK like you...



This should give you a clue. Are you a retard?

Compared to you even a mushroom is a ****ing Einstein


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...nd-deaths.html

DOH !
Arizona compared to Hawaii ??

You ****ing moron
Arizona is right next door to Mexico, you stupid mushroom
Hawaii, is one the more restrictive states in the US regarding guns
Why don't you compare Arizona to Vermont, which has ALWAYS had to MOST
PERMISSIVE gun laws in the US

OH but wait, that would blow your dishonest comparison out of the water..

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Jan 3, 6:46 pm, "Attila.Iskander" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...

On Jan 3, 4:38 am, "Steve B" wrote:
How many stories like this can happen, day after day, year after
year,
and you gun-loving fools can say with a straight face that your
country is a better place because of your constitutional right to
own
firearms...

Look around you. Society is going in the crapper. People are out of
jobs.
Gangs abound.

What are things like on your planet?

Steve

Safer.

Really ??
Let's see
http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

You are 25% more likely to be a crime victim in the UK than the US
You are 133% more likely to be the victim of assault in the UK than the
US
Bribery is 16% higher in the UK than the US
There are 326 times more drug offenses committed in the UK than the US
(Having all those druggies around must make you safer too)
Americans feel 17% safer than residents of the UK
You have 125% more rape victims than the US
(That's YOUR definition of "safer" for your women..)

I don't know what YOUR definition of "safer" is
But the statistics put the lie to your claim

I notice too from your own link you left out the statistics about
murders comitted by firearms.

Why is that ?
Is murder committed by a gun worse than one committed by other means ?


Just shows what a creeping liar/retard you are.

The only creeping liar is you
And that's in top of being so ignorant that you can't even make proper
comparisons



USA is fourth from the worst/topofthe list.
UK is thirtyninth.

You are nearly 700 times more likely to by murdered by gun in the USA
compared with the UK.



Se WHO dickhead ?


The USA is up there along with Colombia and South Africa.
You are four times more likely to be murdered by gun in the USA than
Mexico.


HARDLY
Considering that Mexico has a higher murder rate than the US

YOU really are an ignorant mushroom


How is it that this is no surprise to anyone who has more than half a
brain?


Don't claim something you clearly don't have
At best, being optimistic, you have a quarter brain.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-with-firearms

Now go away and get an education you retard instead of spouting NRA
drivel on here.


LOL
For someone who can't even interpret statistics correctly and is stupid
enough to babble about "gun crime" AS IF, it's the gun that cause the crime,
you are in no position to pass comments on others

harry wrote:

The difference being the activties of the NK are confined to within
it's own border whereas the USA is quite likely tostart a war/
subversion/invasion anywhere on the globe.

You say that like you think it's a bad idea.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
harry wrote:

I notice too from your own link you left out the statistics about
murders comitted by firearms.
Just shows what a creeping liar/retard you are.
USA is fourth from the worst/topofthe list.
UK is thirtyninth.

You are nearly 700 times more likely to by murdered by gun in the USA
compared with the UK.

The USA is up there along with Colombia and South Africa.
You are four times more likely to be murdered by gun in the USA than
Mexico.

How is it that this is no surprise to anyone who has more than half a
brain?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-with-firearms

Now go away and get an education you retard instead of spouting NRA
drivel on here.

More murders per capita in the US granted. But raw numbers are not that
simple.

You have to look at whether the dead people needed killing.

In the vast majority of cases, they did. Subtracting the killing of
goblins, stink-eyes, gomers, and other evil-doers from the tabulation,
the US is in a very competitive position compared to the rest of the
world.


What really fascinating is that the moron equates guns with homicide
How does the idiot explain away all the countries with higher homicide rates
than the US that have FAR Stricter gun control than the US

Apparently that's far to complicated a question for the idiot

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:40:46 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Jan 3, 12:50*pm, Home Guy wrote:
" wrote:

snip


That's exactly what the US has become. *Can't see the forest for the
trees, eh?

If you think the US has become North Korea, then
you really are totally deranged.

What's your point, Captain Obvious?

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:33:56 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 1/3/2012 7:12 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I shot a branch off a tree, one time. The branch was rubbing power wires.
Used a 12 gage shotgun, and a deer slug. The farmer (who owned the gun and
the tree) had tried a couple rounds of bird shot, which didn't work.

I've used guns to make vent holes in trash burning barrels. Same farmer,
same shotgun.

Read of one fellow who used a M-16 to make a vent hole in his brick chimney.

I've spent many a day at the shooting range, knocking down empty shotgun
shells, or bouncing pieces of wood around, for recreation. Used to borrow a
.22RF rifle from a fellow I know.

I've also done pest control (woodchuck / groundhog) for farmers. Farmers who
don't need or want holes in the ground. (No humans were injured in this
activity). Different farmer, and he had a bolt action Remmington .222 I was
able to use.

So far, zero stupid accidents, and zero mass murders. Someday, I've got to
buy a gun. Yeah, I keep saying I ought to have one around. Maybe next year.


I know a guy who grew up in Alaska and he and the other school kids
carried guns to school. When they got to school, their guns went into
their lockers along with their arctic gear, the snow shoes were probably
too big to fit in their lockers. The guns had something to do with
keeping bears and wolves from eating them on their way to school. There
was never a fight or any violence at the school involving guns. ^_^

I knew a guy who carried his rifle to school every day. They had a locker in
the gym for them. BTW, he went to school in New York City.

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:35:56 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Jan 2, 11:35*pm, "
wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:40:44 -0600, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote:

Interestingly, it's illegal to buy a gun (as a gift, for instance)
for someone else, even a spouse. *I would never do such a thing. *"Of
course the pink revolver is for me, sweetie.".

In what benighted jurisdiction is that true? There's a difference in intent
between a straw-purchase and a gift purchase and, inasmuch as "intent" is a
necessary element of every criminal offense, if you intend the weapon as a
gift, no foul.

Vermont. I was told it was federal. *They told me the same thing here in
Alabama. *The name on the yellow-sheet was for the end user. *I mentioned,
both times how silly it was since it was perfectly legal for me to transfer it
after. *...and my wife? *Oh, she was told the same thing when she said she was
going to buy one for me. *Nope. *No can do. *I only assumed it was federal. It
couldn't be a Vermont gun law. *They don't have any. *;-)

Federal law certainly allows you can buy a gun as a present or to overcome
some other disability.

How else does a 12-year old get his first .22? Or his first Barrett 50-cal?

He doesn't. *His parents do.

I think the issue here is that the law is being interpreted
in ways that were never intended. The law is designed
to prevent a straw purchase where someone is buying
a gun at the request of another. The simplest
solution is for the husband to take the wife to the gun store
and have her listed as the buyer and actually pay for it
with money that he gave her. That means that the
wife has to meet all the reqts for the purchase. Problem solved.
What's so hard about that?

It was a Christmas present.

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:02:27 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:35:56 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

I think the issue here is that the law is being interpreted
in ways that were never intended. The law is designed
to prevent a straw purchase where someone is buying
a gun at the request of another. The simplest
solution is for the husband to take the wife to the gun store
and have her listed as the buyer and actually pay for it
with money that he gave her. That means that the
wife has to meet all the reqts for the purchase. Problem solved.
What's so hard about that?

Nothing really. A simpler way is to give a gift card for the gun shop.

SWMBO bought my first gun for Christmas.

"Here honey buy what you want."

"When you come home can I touch it?"

I let her play with my gun any time she wants.

On 1/4/2012 8:50 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:33:56 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 1/3/2012 7:12 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I shot a branch off a tree, one time. The branch was rubbing power wires.
Used a 12 gage shotgun, and a deer slug. The farmer (who owned the gun and
the tree) had tried a couple rounds of bird shot, which didn't work.

I've used guns to make vent holes in trash burning barrels. Same farmer,
same shotgun.

Read of one fellow who used a M-16 to make a vent hole in his brick chimney.

I've spent many a day at the shooting range, knocking down empty shotgun
shells, or bouncing pieces of wood around, for recreation. Used to borrow a
.22RF rifle from a fellow I know.

I've also done pest control (woodchuck / groundhog) for farmers. Farmers who
don't need or want holes in the ground. (No humans were injured in this
activity). Different farmer, and he had a bolt action Remmington .222 I was
able to use.

So far, zero stupid accidents, and zero mass murders. Someday, I've got to
buy a gun. Yeah, I keep saying I ought to have one around. Maybe next year.


I know a guy who grew up in Alaska and he and the other school kids
carried guns to school. When they got to school, their guns went into
their lockers along with their arctic gear, the snow shoes were probably
too big to fit in their lockers. The guns had something to do with
keeping bears and wolves from eating them on their way to school. There
was never a fight or any violence at the school involving guns. ^_^

I knew a guy who carried his rifle to school every day. They had a locker in
the gym for them. BTW, he went to school in New York City.

Some time ago back in the middle of the last century I suppose? ^_^

TDD

On Jan 4, 8:47*pm, "Attila.Iskander" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...





On Jan 3, 6:46 pm, "Attila.Iskander" wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

....

On Jan 3, 4:38 am, "Steve B" wrote:
How many stories like this can happen, day after day, year after
year,
and you gun-loving fools can say with a straight face that your
country is a better place because of your constitutional right to
own
firearms...

Look around you. *Society is going in the crapper. *People are out of
jobs.
Gangs abound.

What are things like on your planet?

Steve

Safer.

Really ??
Let's see
* *http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/...d-States/Crime

You are 25% more likely to be a crime victim in the UK than the US
You are 133% more likely to be the victim of assault in the UK than the
US
Bribery is 16% higher in the UK than the US
There are 326 times more drug offenses committed in the UK than the US
* * (Having all those druggies around must make you safer too)
Americans feel 17% safer than residents of the UK
You have 125% more rape victims than the US
* * (That's YOUR definition of "safer" for your women..)

I don't know what YOUR definition of "safer" is
* * But the statistics put the lie to your claim

Safer is not being shot by some deranged nutcase. *Not the irrelevant
drivel you have come up with.

Ah yes, ignore all the OTHER crimes that affect your safety
* * After all safety is ONLY about the risk of being shot

But ignorati such as you IGNORE the a very large number of the homicides in
the US are committee by a VERY SMALL minority ON EACH OTHER
And if that small segment of the population is ignored, I have about as much
chance of getting shot as idiots in the UK like you...

This should give you a clue. Are you a retard?

Compared to you even a mushroom is a ****ing Einstein

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...253831/Arizona...

DOH !
Arizona compared to Hawaii ??

You ****ing moron
Arizona is right next door to Mexico, you stupid mushroom
Hawaii, is one the more restrictive states in the US regarding guns
Why don't you compare Arizona to Vermont, which has ALWAYS had to MOST
PERMISSIVE gun laws in the US

OH but wait, that would blow your dishonest comparison out of the water..- Hide quoted text -

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The other crimes don't involve you ending up dead.

On Jan 4, 11:41*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:

The difference being the activties of the NK are confined to within
it's own border whereas the USA is quite likely tostart a war/
subversion/invasion anywhere on the globe.

You say that like you think it's a bad idea.

You don't half whinge when someone brings war to New York.
Especially when they have defeated your retaliatery invasion.
Which is also one of the factors that brought the USA to it's knees.

They'll be back.
Possibly with a nuclear device next time.
The theories of MAD don't work with these guys.
The war multiplied their numbers a thousandfold.
All they need to do is take over Pakistan.

On Jan 5, 1:29*am, "Attila.Iskander" wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message

m...





harry wrote:

I notice too from your own link you left out the statistics about
murders comitted by firearms.
Just shows what a creeping liar/retard you are.
USA is fourth from the worst/topofthe list.
UK is thirtyninth.

You are nearly 700 times more likely to by murdered by gun in the USA
compared with the UK.

The USA is up there along with Colombia and South Africa.
You are four times more likely to be murdered by gun in the USA than
Mexico.

How is it that this is no surprise to anyone who has more than half a
brain?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-murders-with-....

Now go away and get an education you retard instead of spouting NRA
drivel on here.

More murders per capita in the US granted. But raw numbers are not that
simple.

You have to look at whether the dead people needed killing.

In the vast majority of cases, they did. Subtracting the killing of
goblins, stink-eyes, gomers, and other evil-doers *from the tabulation,
the US is in a very competitive position compared to the rest of the
world.

What really fascinating is that the moron equates guns with homicide
How does the idiot explain away all the countries with higher homicide rates
than the US that have FAR Stricter gun control than the US


Which countries is that?

It will have to be Mexico,Thailand, Colombia or South Africa as they
are the only worse ones.

What really fascinating is that the moron equates guns with homicide
How does the idiot explain away all the countries with higher homicide rates
than the US that have FAR Stricter gun control than the US

Which countries is that?

It will *have to be Mexico,Thailand, Colombia or South Africa as they
are the only worse ones.- Hide quoted text -

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