I was told today that Stabil was not too effective with gasoline that
contains ethanol. They said there is a new product that works better.


---MIKE---
In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
(44° 15' N - Elevation 1580')

(---MIKE---) wrote:

I was told today that Stabil was not too effective with gasoline that
contains ethanol. They said there is a new product that works better.

I'd like to see something a little more than hearsay. Stabil is a brand, not a
formula. Seeing as ethanol as a gasoline additive has been standard around the
country for decades, it's hard to believe that Stabil hasn't been modified to
work with it.

On 8/27/2011 12:07 PM, Robert Neville wrote:
(---MIKE---) wrote:

I was told today that Stabil was not too effective with gasoline that
contains ethanol. They said there is a new product that works better.

I'd like to see something a little more than hearsay. Stabil is a brand, not a
formula. Seeing as ethanol as a gasoline additive has been standard around the
country for decades, it's hard to believe that Stabil hasn't been modified to
work with it.

I have not had any trouble with it but believe that it may leave more
residue in your carburetor if it evaporates there. A couple of years
ago, I left it in my snow thrower and it would not start and a guy that
owned a gas station that did repairs and now does lawn work and services
all his machines told me that some carburetors are prone to this.

"---MIKE---" wrote in message
...
I was told today that Stabil was not too effective with gasoline that
contains ethanol. They said there is a new product that works better.


---MIKE---

And I heard cell phone use causes stupidity and brain cancer. I believe the
stupidity part. Stabil has been around for a long time. So has ethanol. I
would believe they have altered the formula to include ethanol, or have an
ethanol variant. Go to the store. Take a bottle in your hand. Read the
instructions. I bet your answer is there.

Steve

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"---MIKE---" wrote in message
...
I was told today that Stabil was not too effective with gasoline that
contains ethanol. They said there is a new product that works better.


---MIKE---

And I heard cell phone use causes stupidity and brain cancer. I believe
the stupidity part. Stabil has been around for a long time. So has
ethanol. I would believe they have altered the formula to include
ethanol, or have an ethanol variant. Go to the store. Take a bottle in
your hand. Read the instructions. I bet your answer is there.

Steve



In addition to regular Sta Bil, they do have an ethanol treatment. Small
engines are supposed to be more prone to ethanol problems so it may be worth
considering. One of the local equipment dealers here sell five gallon cans
of gas that has no ethanol it it.

http://www.goldeagle.com/engine_care/411onethanol.aspx
Fuel Stabilizers & Ethanol Treatments.Fights the damaging effects of Ethanol
in gasoline including corrosion to the fuel tanks, fuel lines, carburetors
and injectors.GUARANTEED Safe to use in gasoline, E10 and E85
fuel.Stabilizers added to fresh fuel will maintain gasoline freshness for
9-12 months

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:

http://www.goldeagle.com/engine_care/411onethanol.aspx
Stabilizers added to fresh fuel will maintain gasoline freshness for
9-12 months

Of course, untreated gasoline will stay "fresh" for 270-360 days if properly
stored.

On Aug 27, 4:32*pm, Robert Neville wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
http://www.goldeagle.com/engine_care/411onethanol.aspx
Stabilizers added to fresh fuel will maintain gasoline freshness for
9-12 months

Of course, untreated gasoline will stay "fresh" for 270-360 days if properly
stored.


You have a reference for that? And what defines "properly stored"?
Everything I've seen says you get a few months in typical storage
conditions most of us would use. Gas now has ethanol in it which
makes it even more problematic. I'd use stabil to go from one
season to the next, but would never let untreated go a year.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 07:48:48 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Aug 27, 4:32Â*pm, Robert Neville wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
http://www.goldeagle.com/engine_care/411onethanol.aspx
Stabilizers added to fresh fuel will maintain gasoline freshness for
9-12 months

Of course, untreated gasoline will stay "fresh" for 270-360 days if properly
stored.


You have a reference for that? And what defines "properly stored"?
Everything I've seen says you get a few months in typical storage
conditions most of us would use. Gas now has ethanol in it which
makes it even more problematic. I'd use stabil to go from one
season to the next, but would never let untreated go a year.

I never used Stabil or other additives.
Have a 5-gal plastic jug for the mower (4-stroke Craftman with Honda
engine) and a 1-gal jug for the mix I use in the whacker (cheap
2-stroke from Sears.)
Transfer from the 5-gal to a 2-gal I use for filling the mower.
If I'm not pouring caps and vents are closed.
That's "proper" storage to me.
My gas usage gets me to the gas station every other year where
I fill both the 5-gal and 2-gal jugs.
So I'm using one or two year old gas often enough.
Never had a problem or noticed anything amiss.
Don't pay attention to running anything dry either.
They always have gas in the tanks when cutting season is done.
They sit idle about 6 months here near Chicago.
Mower always starts first pull, whacker 3 or 4, but you have to know
how to choke it.
Both machines are 8 years old.
Just my experience.
Not my intent to interrupt any Stabil voodoo ceremonies.

--Vic

On Aug 28, 10:25*am, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 07:48:48 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On Aug 27, 4:32*pm, Robert Neville wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
http://www.goldeagle.com/engine_care/411onethanol.aspx
Stabilizers added to fresh fuel will maintain gasoline freshness for
9-12 months

Of course, untreated gasoline will stay "fresh" for 270-360 days if properly
stored.

You have a reference for that? *And what defines "properly stored"?
Everything I've seen says you get a few months in typical storage
conditions most of us would use. *Gas now has ethanol in it which
makes it even more problematic. *I'd use stabil to go from one
season to the next, but would never let untreated go a year.

I never used Stabil or other additives.
Have a 5-gal plastic jug for the mower (4-stroke Craftman with Honda
engine) and a 1-gal jug for the mix I use in the whacker (cheap
2-stroke from Sears.)
Transfer from the 5-gal to a 2-gal I use for filling the mower.
If I'm not pouring caps and vents are closed.
That's "proper" storage to me.
My gas usage gets me to the gas station every other year where
I fill both the 5-gal and 2-gal jugs.
So I'm using one or two year old gas often enough.
Never had a problem or noticed anything amiss.
Don't pay attention to running anything dry either.
They always have gas in the tanks when cutting season is done.
They sit idle about 6 months here near Chicago.
Mower always starts first pull, whacker 3 or 4, but you have to know
how to choke it.
Both machines are 8 years old.
Just my experience.
Not my intent to interrupt any Stabil voodoo ceremonies.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You seal the unsed gasoline in the containers. Most containers and
all lawn mowers that I have seen have ventilating caps and that's
where the prolem lies.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 08:32:20 -0700 (PDT), "hr(bob) "
wrote:

On Aug 28, 10:25Â*am, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 07:48:48 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On Aug 27, 4:32Â*pm, Robert Neville wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
http://www.goldeagle.com/engine_care/411onethanol.aspx
Stabilizers added to fresh fuel will maintain gasoline freshness for
9-12 months

Of course, untreated gasoline will stay "fresh" for 270-360 days if properly
stored.

You have a reference for that? Â*And what defines "properly stored"?
Everything I've seen says you get a few months in typical storage
conditions most of us would use. Â*Gas now has ethanol in it which
makes it even more problematic. Â*I'd use stabil to go from one
season to the next, but would never let untreated go a year.

I never used Stabil or other additives.
Have a 5-gal plastic jug for the mower (4-stroke Craftman with Honda
engine) and a 1-gal jug for the mix I use in the whacker (cheap
2-stroke from Sears.)
Transfer from the 5-gal to a 2-gal I use for filling the mower.
If I'm not pouring caps and vents are closed.
That's "proper" storage to me.
My gas usage gets me to the gas station every other year where
I fill both the 5-gal and 2-gal jugs.
So I'm using one or two year old gas often enough.
Never had a problem or noticed anything amiss.
Don't pay attention to running anything dry either.
They always have gas in the tanks when cutting season is done.
They sit idle about 6 months here near Chicago.
Mower always starts first pull, whacker 3 or 4, but you have to know
how to choke it.
Both machines are 8 years old.
Just my experience.
Not my intent to interrupt any Stabil voodoo ceremonies.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You seal the unsed gasoline in the containers. Most containers and
all lawn mowers that I have seen have ventilating caps and that's
where the prolem lies.

Never saw a ventilating cap in a gas jug.
Not saying they don't exist.
Even the old metal cans I used were spill proof.
The plastic jugs I use are sealed tight.
When it gets hot they bulge a bit but never popped the vent cap.
The machine tank caps must be vented to prevent vacuum, but I never
had a problem with the gas going bad after 6 months.
I usually fill the mower for the first mowing so that gas gets
"refreshed" a bit. Takes an almost full tank to do all the lawn.
But with the whacker I usually start the season with the gas that's in
the tank.
Sometimes that gas is more than 2 years old because the 1-gal mix
lasts more than 2 years.

--Vic

On Aug 28, 11:25*am, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 07:48:48 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On Aug 27, 4:32*pm, Robert Neville wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
http://www.goldeagle.com/engine_care/411onethanol.aspx
Stabilizers added to fresh fuel will maintain gasoline freshness for
9-12 months

Of course, untreated gasoline will stay "fresh" for 270-360 days if properly
stored.

You have a reference for that? *And what defines "properly stored"?
Everything I've seen says you get a few months in typical storage
conditions most of us would use. *Gas now has ethanol in it which
makes it even more problematic. *I'd use stabil to go from one
season to the next, but would never let untreated go a year.

I never used Stabil or other additives.
Have a 5-gal plastic jug for the mower (4-stroke Craftman with Honda
engine) and a 1-gal jug for the mix I use in the whacker (cheap
2-stroke from Sears.)
Transfer from the 5-gal to a 2-gal I use for filling the mower.
If I'm not pouring caps and vents are closed.
That's "proper" storage to me.
My gas usage gets me to the gas station every other year where
I fill both the 5-gal and 2-gal jugs.
So I'm using one or two year old gas often enough.
Never had a problem or noticed anything amiss.
Don't pay attention to running anything dry either.
They always have gas in the tanks when cutting season is done.
They sit idle about 6 months here near Chicago.
Mower always starts first pull, whacker 3 or 4, but you have to know
how to choke it.
Both machines are 8 years old.
Just my experience.
Not my intent to interrupt any Stabil voodoo ceremonies.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, just your intent to disparage those of us who
follow the very accepted practice of using Stabil.
Note also that you failed to mention the storage
conditions of the gasoline. The length of time is
one aspect. Whether you keep it in a typical
garage where it's subjected to 85F or store it
in a basement at 65F is another.
I guess those of us using a gas
stabilizer, as recommended by all the leading
engine manufacturers, are just idiots according
to you.

How can one person be so wrong about so
many things?

On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 08:32:20 -0700 (PDT), "hr(bob) "
wrote:

On Aug 28, 10:25*am, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 07:48:48 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On Aug 27, 4:32*pm, Robert Neville wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
http://www.goldeagle.com/engine_care/411onethanol.aspx
Stabilizers added to fresh fuel will maintain gasoline freshness for
9-12 months

Of course, untreated gasoline will stay "fresh" for 270-360 days if properly
stored.

You have a reference for that? *And what defines "properly stored"?
Everything I've seen says you get a few months in typical storage
conditions most of us would use. *Gas now has ethanol in it which
makes it even more problematic. *I'd use stabil to go from one
season to the next, but would never let untreated go a year.

I never used Stabil or other additives.
Have a 5-gal plastic jug for the mower (4-stroke Craftman with Honda
engine) and a 1-gal jug for the mix I use in the whacker (cheap
2-stroke from Sears.)
Transfer from the 5-gal to a 2-gal I use for filling the mower.
If I'm not pouring caps and vents are closed.
That's "proper" storage to me.
My gas usage gets me to the gas station every other year where
I fill both the 5-gal and 2-gal jugs.
So I'm using one or two year old gas often enough.
Never had a problem or noticed anything amiss.
Don't pay attention to running anything dry either.
They always have gas in the tanks when cutting season is done.
They sit idle about 6 months here near Chicago.
Mower always starts first pull, whacker 3 or 4, but you have to know
how to choke it.
Both machines are 8 years old.
Just my experience.
Not my intent to interrupt any Stabil voodoo ceremonies.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You seal the unsed gasoline in the containers. Most containers and
all lawn mowers that I have seen have ventilating caps and that's
where the prolem lies.

The Honda manual states that the mower should be stored with gas in the tank.
Containers are all sealed.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 09:19:28 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:



No, just your intent to disparage those of us who
follow the very accepted practice of using Stabil.

It's not my "accepted practice."
Do what you want to improve the economy.

Note also that you failed to mention the storage
conditions of the gasoline. The length of time is
one aspect. Whether you keep it in a typical
garage where it's subjected to 85F or store it
in a basement at 65F is another.

Who would store gasoline in the basement?
That's pure dopey.
It's in the detached garage where temp is often +90.

I guess those of us using a gas
stabilizer, as recommended by all the leading
engine manufacturers, are just idiots according
to you.


Just gave my experience.
Don't get all upset about the voodoo comment.
What's voodoo to me is perfectly natural to voodoo practitioners.

How can one person be so wrong about so
many things?

Experience is never wrong, just factual.
You're crazy if you think I'm going to start using Stabil when I don't
have a problem with "old" gas.
Most likely you THINK it works for you because you read it does.
Bet you have no proof. You just do it because "you're supposed to."
Good boy.
Sorry. Never used it, and never needed it.
I've stated my experience. Mobil regular gas with whatever ethanol
content they use here.
Stored up to 2 years as stated, and used with no problems I can see.
Call it all wrong, but it's just fact to me.

--Vic

" wrote:

You have a reference for that? And what defines "properly stored"?
Everything I've seen says you get a few months in typical storage
conditions most of us would use

http://www.chevron.com/products/prod..._gasoline.aspx

Vic Smith wrote:

Stored up to 2 years as stated, and used with no problems I can see.
Call it all wrong, but it's just fact to me.

More than fact just to you. Chevron states you can store up to 12 months with no
additional treatment required.

On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:07:24 -0600, Robert Neville
wrote:

(---MIKE---) wrote:

I was told today that Stabil was not too effective with gasoline that
contains ethanol. They said there is a new product that works better.

I'd like to see something a little more than hearsay. Stabil is a brand, not a
formula. Seeing as ethanol as a gasoline additive has been standard around the
country for decades, it's hard to believe that Stabil hasn't been modified to
work with it.

I have been told Stabil is Butylated Hydroxytoluene in a light
distilate base.BHT.The same stuff that keeps food fats from going
rancid.
I was told this by an organic chemist.

From Merisol's website (major manufacturer/supplier of BHT to the
Americas)

BHT is used predominantly in the production of plastics and is also an
important ingredient in rubber, elastomer and styrene production. It
is used
in lubricating oils, gasoline, specialty oils and synthetic
lubricants, as well as
in food, feed and forage products. BHT prevents oils from turning
rancid
and is an excellent antioxidant and gum inhibitor in fuels. It
functions as a
stabilizer in plastics, waxes, natural and synthetic rubber and
resins.

wrote

The Honda manual states that the mower should be stored with gas in the
tank.
Containers are all sealed.

They state the tank should have stabilizer and be full to keep out oxygen
also.

Honda also notes fuel can deteriorate in as little as 30 days.

Fuel
Gasoline will oxidize and deteriorate in storage. Old gasoline will
cause hard starting, and it leaves gum deposits that clog the fuel
system. If the gasoline in your mower deteriorates during storage, you
may need to have the carburetor and other fuel system components,
serviced or replaced.
The length of time that gasoline can be left in your fuel tank and
carburetor without causing functional problems will vary with such
factors as gasoline blend, your storage temperatures, and whether
the fuel tank is partially or completely filled. The air in a partially
filled
fuel tank promotes fuel deterioration. Very warm storage
temperatures accelerate fuel deterioration. Fuel deterioration
problems may occur within a few months, or even less if the gasoline
was not fresh when you filled the fuel tank.
The Distributor's Limited Warranty (page 19) does not cover fuel
system damage or engine performance problems resulting from
neglected storage preparation.
You can extend fuel storage life by adding a gasoline stabilizer that is
formulated for that purpose, or you can avoid fuel deterioration
problems by draining all the fuel from the fuel tank and carburetor.
Adding a Fuel Stabilizer
When adding a fuel stabilizer (page 18), fill the fuel tank with fresh
gasoline. If only partially filled, air in the tank will promote fuel
deterioration during storage. If you keep a container of gasoline for
refueling, be sure that it contains only fresh gasoline.
1. Add fuel stabilizer following the manufacturer's instructions.
2. After adding a fuel stabilizer, run the engine outdoors for
10 minutes to be sure that the treated gasoline has replaced the
untreated gasoline in the carburetor.
3. Turn the engine OFF and turn the fuel valve to the OFF position

In ,
---MIKE--- typed:
I was told today that Stabil was not too effective with
gasoline that contains ethanol. They said there is a new
product that works better.


---MIKE---
In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
(440 15' N - Elevation 1580')

Still works fine for my stuff.

On 8/28/2011 11:55 AM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 08:32:20 -0700 (PDT), "hr(bob) "
wrote:

On Aug 28, 10:25 am, Vic
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 07:48:48 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On Aug 27, 4:32 pm, Robert wrote:
"Ed wrote:
http://www.goldeagle.com/engine_care/411onethanol.aspx
Stabilizers added to fresh fuel will maintain gasoline freshness for
9-12 months

Of course, untreated gasoline will stay "fresh" for 270-360 days if properly
stored.

You have a reference for that? And what defines "properly stored"?
Everything I've seen says you get a few months in typical storage
conditions most of us would use. Gas now has ethanol in it which
makes it even more problematic. I'd use stabil to go from one
season to the next, but would never let untreated go a year.

I never used Stabil or other additives.
Have a 5-gal plastic jug for the mower (4-stroke Craftman with Honda
engine) and a 1-gal jug for the mix I use in the whacker (cheap
2-stroke from Sears.)
Transfer from the 5-gal to a 2-gal I use for filling the mower.
If I'm not pouring caps and vents are closed.
That's "proper" storage to me.
My gas usage gets me to the gas station every other year where
I fill both the 5-gal and 2-gal jugs.
So I'm using one or two year old gas often enough.
Never had a problem or noticed anything amiss.
Don't pay attention to running anything dry either.
They always have gas in the tanks when cutting season is done.
They sit idle about 6 months here near Chicago.
Mower always starts first pull, whacker 3 or 4, but you have to know
how to choke it.
Both machines are 8 years old.
Just my experience.
Not my intent to interrupt any Stabil voodoo ceremonies.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You seal the unsed gasoline in the containers. Most containers and
all lawn mowers that I have seen have ventilating caps and that's
where the prolem lies.

Never saw a ventilating cap in a gas jug.
Not saying they don't exist.
Even the old metal cans I used were spill proof.
The plastic jugs I use are sealed tight.
When it gets hot they bulge a bit but never popped the vent cap.
The machine tank caps must be vented to prevent vacuum, but I never
had a problem with the gas going bad after 6 months.
I usually fill the mower for the first mowing so that gas gets
"refreshed" a bit. Takes an almost full tank to do all the lawn.
But with the whacker I usually start the season with the gas that's in
the tank.
Sometimes that gas is more than 2 years old because the 1-gal mix
lasts more than 2 years.

--Vic

I hate the new spill proof containers. No vent cap and delivery is
blurp, blurp, blurp. You have to force it to stay open and often they
do not rapidly close and I end up spilling more gas then the old containers.

That said, the chief enemy of gasoline is oxygen and once any
antioxidant in the gas, like BHT, is consumed the decomposition reaction
accelerates. Most gas cans these days are polyethylene and oxygen can
actually permeate the plastic and get at the gas. The best way to store
gas would be in a sealed metal can with little air head space. Air does
not permeate a metal container.

I get by with 2-3 years adding Stabil in the plastic cans.

That's my general impression of anything "new, improved,
safer" forced on us by government.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Frank"
wrote in message ...

I hate the new spill proof containers. No vent cap and
delivery is
blurp, blurp, blurp. You have to force it to stay open and
often they
do not rapidly close and I end up spilling more gas then the
old containers.

That said, the chief enemy of gasoline is oxygen and once
any
antioxidant in the gas, like BHT, is consumed the
decomposition reaction
accelerates. Most gas cans these days are polyethylene and
oxygen can
actually permeate the plastic and get at the gas. The best
way to store
gas would be in a sealed metal can with little air head
space. Air does
not permeate a metal container.

I get by with 2-3 years adding Stabil in the plastic cans.

In article ,
Frank wrote:


I hate the new spill proof containers. No vent cap and delivery is
blurp, blurp, blurp. You have to force it to stay open and often they
do not rapidly close and I end up spilling more gas then the old containers.

That said, the chief enemy of gasoline is oxygen and once any
antioxidant in the gas, like BHT, is consumed the decomposition reaction
accelerates. Most gas cans these days are polyethylene and oxygen can
actually permeate the plastic and get at the gas. The best way to store
gas would be in a sealed metal can with little air head space. Air does
not permeate a metal container.

I get by with 2-3 years adding Stabil in the plastic cans.

There are still vintage gas and oil cans available on Ebay. Dad and
his neighbors used to buy oil from the Farmers Coops in five gallon
cans. The cans were sure handy for other things as well.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:09:07 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 8/28/2011 11:55 AM, Vic Smith wrote:


Never saw a ventilating cap in a gas jug.
Not saying they don't exist.
Even the old metal cans I used were spill proof.
The plastic jugs I use are sealed tight.
When it gets hot they bulge a bit but never popped the vent cap.
The machine tank caps must be vented to prevent vacuum, but I never
had a problem with the gas going bad after 6 months.
I usually fill the mower for the first mowing so that gas gets
"refreshed" a bit. Takes an almost full tank to do all the lawn.
But with the whacker I usually start the season with the gas that's in
the tank.
Sometimes that gas is more than 2 years old because the 1-gal mix
lasts more than 2 years.

--Vic

I hate the new spill proof containers. No vent cap and delivery is
blurp, blurp, blurp. You have to force it to stay open and often they
do not rapidly close and I end up spilling more gas then the old containers.


I used the term "spill proof" to mean the cap wasn't ventilated, and
that might be the wrong term. Just meant if they fall over in the
trunk and the vent doesn't get popped open nothing will spill.
My 5-gal can has no vent to pop, but the nozzle is vented.
Goes blurp, blurp, but never stops flowing.
My smaller cans have vents that pop open.
The 2-gal (maybe it's 2 1/2) is easiest to use.
It has an upper cap you screw off, and a flexible nozzle with stops on
both ends. Just pull the nozzle up, pop the vent and pour.
The 5-gal and 1-gal have stiff nozzles in the jug that have to be
reversed, and a cap plug that has to be set aside when using them.
Messy compared to the pull up nozzle.
I nearly always spill a little gas. Just have to top off.
Can't resist.
I didn't pay any attention when I bought them 8 years ago.
This might be a real "no spill."
http://www.amazon.com/No-Spill-1405-...pr_product_top
Pretty pricey for a small gas jug that still spills gas.
Well, I see what you mean now that I've looked around
Looks like new cans are "CARB-compliant" or something.
How come everybody's complaining about light bulbs?
This is the real BS here.
Glad I bought my jugs when I did and hope they outlast me.


--Vic

On 8/28/2011 6:37 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:09:07 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 8/28/2011 11:55 AM, Vic Smith wrote:


Never saw a ventilating cap in a gas jug.
Not saying they don't exist.
Even the old metal cans I used were spill proof.
The plastic jugs I use are sealed tight.
When it gets hot they bulge a bit but never popped the vent cap.
The machine tank caps must be vented to prevent vacuum, but I never
had a problem with the gas going bad after 6 months.
I usually fill the mower for the first mowing so that gas gets
"refreshed" a bit. Takes an almost full tank to do all the lawn.
But with the whacker I usually start the season with the gas that's in
the tank.
Sometimes that gas is more than 2 years old because the 1-gal mix
lasts more than 2 years.

--Vic

I hate the new spill proof containers. No vent cap and delivery is
blurp, blurp, blurp. You have to force it to stay open and often they
do not rapidly close and I end up spilling more gas then the old containers.


I used the term "spill proof" to mean the cap wasn't ventilated, and
that might be the wrong term. Just meant if they fall over in the
trunk and the vent doesn't get popped open nothing will spill.
My 5-gal can has no vent to pop, but the nozzle is vented.
Goes blurp, blurp, but never stops flowing.
My smaller cans have vents that pop open.
The 2-gal (maybe it's 2 1/2) is easiest to use.
It has an upper cap you screw off, and a flexible nozzle with stops on
both ends. Just pull the nozzle up, pop the vent and pour.
The 5-gal and 1-gal have stiff nozzles in the jug that have to be
reversed, and a cap plug that has to be set aside when using them.
Messy compared to the pull up nozzle.
I nearly always spill a little gas. Just have to top off.
Can't resist.
I didn't pay any attention when I bought them 8 years ago.
This might be a real "no spill."
http://www.amazon.com/No-Spill-1405-...pr_product_top
Pretty pricey for a small gas jug that still spills gas.
Well, I see what you mean now that I've looked around
Looks like new cans are "CARB-compliant" or something.
How come everybody's complaining about light bulbs?
This is the real BS here.
Glad I bought my jugs when I did and hope they outlast me.


--Vic

I'm glad the people who designed our new and improved safety gas cans
weren't the ones to design our new and improved water saving toilets.
Imagine a toilet as difficult to use as one of those gas cans. ^_^

TDD

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life? I'm going to die!

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"The Daring Dufas"
wrote in message ...

I'm glad the people who designed our new and improved safety
gas cans
weren't the ones to design our new and improved water saving
toilets.
Imagine a toilet as difficult to use as one of those gas
cans. ^_^

TDD

Everybody wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to go now.

Rev. Daisy Mae Johnson
Whose God is more vicious? Take the bible quiz:
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1...usgodquiz.html

Disclaimer:
I am not the real Daisy Mae Johnson nor am I affiliated with the Landover Baptist ministries.
I'm just a follower spreading the good word.


"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ...
They must be the ones who write CPR instructions to save my
life? I'm going to die!

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Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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wrote:
On Aug 27, 4:32 pm, Robert Neville wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
http://www.goldeagle.com/engine_care/411onethanol.aspx
Stabilizers added to fresh fuel will maintain gasoline freshness for
9-12 months

Of course, untreated gasoline will stay "fresh" for 270-360 days if
properly stored.


You have a reference for that? And what defines "properly stored"?
Everything I've seen says you get a few months in typical storage
conditions most of us would use. Gas now has ethanol in it which
makes it even more problematic. I'd use stabil to go from one
season to the next, but would never let untreated go a year.

"Good quality gasoline should be stable almost indefinitely if stored
properly. Such storage should be in an airtight container, to prevent
oxidation or water vapors mixing, and at a stable cool temperature, to
reduce the chance of the container leaking. When gasoline is not stored
correctly, gums and solids may accumulate resulting in "stale fuel". "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline#Stability

On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 19:46:05 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I'm glad the people who designed our new and improved safety gas cans
weren't the ones to design our new and improved water saving toilets.
Imagine a toilet as difficult to use as one of those gas cans. ^_^

You mean the ones where you have to remove the spout from the can before you
can dump it?