I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year old. I
suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering of it could be
"revived" somehow or used instead?

if the container was tight and there's no 2 cycle oil in it, the gas may be
in better condition than you might think.
as long as it's clean (no water, etc in the bottom) you can probably use it.
test a little of it in a lawnmower or whatever, and i think you'll find that
it is usable.

bill


"FDR" wrote in message
.. .
I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year old.
I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering of it could
be "revived" somehow or used instead?

Cant be revived. Its gone bad. If anything you can mix it with fresh
gas and run it on lawnmowers snowblowers etc. (would put it into a
car, might damage things)

Might not run the best but sometimes it better than dumping.

Otherwise you can use it to kill weeds grass etc along the fence.

Tom

I put a gallon at a time in my car's nearly full tank. Hasn't hurt it yet.

I found that adding old gasoline to my Farmall Cub tractor caused severe
valve sticking. I recently talked to someone removing heads from an air
cooled VW who had done the same thing. It is highly variable, you may very
well be able to mix it with fresh fuel and burn it without trouble.
Don Young

"FDR" wrote in message
.. .
I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year old.
I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering of it could
be "revived" somehow or used instead?

FDR wrote:
I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year old. I
suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering of it could be
"revived" somehow or used instead?


You will get all sorts of answers, possibly
because of varying conditions but often due to
blind prejudice. First 1 year old is not a
problem, 2 years old means be careful, 3 years old
means be really careful and the best advice is to
dump it. If the container is full or nearly, if it
wasn't subject to high or warm temperatures for
the entire period the gas will be in much better
condition that stored in a 1/2 full can and at
higher temperatures.

If it really is about 1 year old just added a
gallon of it at a time to 18 or more gallons of
gas in any vehicle.

Retired Navy guy here. When we went on those 6 or more extended tours on a
ship, I put my car in storage. I learned the hard way, the gas don't keep
that long.
2 things happen. Water forms in the tank from hot/cold cycles from the
weather, and the gas breaks down at the chemical level.
The car may or may not start upon my arrival home from a 6 or more month
tour. If it did run, it ran roughly. Putting "dry gas" additive in the
tank helps before storing gasoline that long, but its not perfect still at
the end of the time period. Filling the tank reduces the air in the tank,
and any corresponding water intrusion as a result. Gas stations that don't
do much business should be avoided as these are most likely to have water in
their storage tanks. Gasoline will, after stored extensively, turn into a
very sloppy, very loose gelatenous mass that no internal combustion engine
should ever see, diluted in "good" gas or not.

Other than killing weeds on the fenceline, there's another garden use. If
your tomatoes/potato crop location has that contagion that requires at least
two years of non-growth to allow the contagion to run its course, then pour
the gas in the area. 2 years later, and alls good irregardless.

--
Lil' Dave
Beware the rule quoters, the corp mindset, the Borg
Else you will be absorbed
"FDR" wrote in message
.. .
I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year old.
I
suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering of it could be
"revived" somehow or used instead?

George E. Cawthon wrote:
FDR wrote:
I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year
old. I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering
of it could be "revived" somehow or used instead?


You will get all sorts of answers, possibly
because of varying conditions but often due to
blind prejudice. First 1 year old is not a
problem, 2 years old means be careful, 3 years old
means be really careful and the best advice is to
dump it. If the container is full or nearly, if it
wasn't subject to high or warm temperatures for
the entire period the gas will be in much better
condition that stored in a 1/2 full can and at
higher temperatures.

If it really is about 1 year old just added a
gallon of it at a time to 18 or more gallons of
gas in any vehicle.

George has it right. My suggestion is to add a little at a time to your
car's gas tank. Only do this with a nearly full tank in the car. No more
than a gallon at a time, I would use less. Diluted like this will be safe
for your car.

Today's gas is better than that of years ago so it will last longer
before going bad, which it does just a little at a time.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

cousin put some year old gas in his pckup, it was pretty stinky
fuel i must say. i told him not to do it, but he was drinking and put
the old gas in after i left. next day,his electric fuel pump went out.
fixed that,then the fuel injector got plugged. fixed that. then an ex
valve stuck open. so ,if you want to put some old gas in your car to get
ahead of the curve a few bucks,be my guest. ...when i was in the
service, i filled my tank and treated the gas before i left. it worked
great. lucas

http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm

"Jim" wrote in message
news:001cf.5745
Other than killing weeds on the fenceline, there's another
garden use. If
your tomatoes/potato crop location has that contagion that
requires at least
two years of non-growth to allow the contagion to run its
course, then pour
the gas in the area. 2 years later, and alls good
irregardless.

If you'd eat vegetables grown where gasoline was dumped,
MBTE and all, you are a far more "trusting" man than I.

Bob

"Don Young" wrote in message
...
I found that adding old gasoline to my Farmall Cub tractor caused severe
valve sticking. Don Young


Interesting - we've had Farmall Cubs in the family for years and I've thrown
all kinds of gas in them in the past. But as I've gotten older and less
inclined to drain tanks & clean carburetors I've been more careful recently.
Just had to drain water out of mine (condensation) from being outside
covered with a tarp. I have a Massey Pony with a "sticky valve" and it's
power is greatly reduced. The only time I've had a Cub with power reduced
that much is when a plug was fouled.


"FDR" wrote in message
.. .
I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year old.
I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering of it could
be "revived" somehow or used instead?

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 01:57:59 GMT, "FDR"
wrote:

| I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year old. I
| suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering of it could be
| "revived" somehow or used instead?
|
|
Only two gallons of just one year old gas? Dump it into your car's gas
tank and get new gas for the mower. The gas is not that old in the
first place and there's not enough of it to cause a problem to your
auto in the second place. Please don't dump it on the ground or use it
for weed killer, as this is environmentally damaging. In my state,
it's illegal. People get caught and fined for doing it.

(Tom Miller) wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 01:57:59 GMT, "FDR"
wrote:

| I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year
| old. I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering
| of it could be "revived" somehow or used instead?
|
|
Only two gallons of just one year old gas? Dump it into your car's gas
tank and get new gas for the mower. The gas is not that old in the
first place and there's not enough of it to cause a problem to your
auto in the second place. Please don't dump it on the ground or use it
for weed killer, as this is environmentally damaging. In my state,
it's illegal. People get caught and fined for doing it.

Exactly right!

Please -do not- dump fossil fuel on the ground, you can add that much to
your car tank and never notice a difference in performance.....if you dump
that much on the ground, you will kill everything in the soil that's close
by -and- some fish in your nearest body of water.

Use it up first next year you bogart!

"Don Young" wrote:
I found that adding old gasoline to my Farmall Cub tractor caused severe
valve sticking.

Add it to your truck next time.

FDR wrote:

I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year old. I
suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering of it could be
"revived" somehow or used instead?



One year old isn't a problem, but what could make it an issue is how the
gasoline was stored.

"Steveo" wrote in message
...
(Tom Miller) wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 01:57:59 GMT, "FDR"
wrote:

| I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year
| old. I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering
| of it could be "revived" somehow or used instead?
|
|
Only two gallons of just one year old gas? Dump it into your car's gas
tank and get new gas for the mower. The gas is not that old in the
first place and there's not enough of it to cause a problem to your
auto in the second place. Please don't dump it on the ground or use it
for weed killer, as this is environmentally damaging. In my state,
it's illegal. People get caught and fined for doing it.

Exactly right!

Please -do not- dump fossil fuel on the ground, you can add that much to
your car tank and never notice a difference in performance.....if you dump
that much on the ground, you will kill everything in the soil that's close
by -and- some fish in your nearest body of water.


Why not dump in on the ground? Better yet--poor it down an old well. Gas
and oil came from the ground. Put it back where it came from and be done
with it.

Oscar_Lives wrote:
...
Why not dump in on the ground? Better yet--poor it down an old well.
Gas and oil came from the ground. Put it back where it came from and
be done with it.

If you are not a troll, then you are really ignorant.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

I use that for cleaning parts in a pan, with gloves preferably- or use
it to burn trash, etc. as an ignitor. Old gas makes an engine run
terrible.

Please -do not- dump fossil fuel on the ground, you can add that much to
your car tank and never notice a difference in performance.....if you dump
that much on the ground, you will kill everything in the soil that's close
by -and- some fish in your nearest body of water.

Use it up first next year you bogart!

Mix it up around 30/70 with motor oil, and
use it to burn out tent catapillars, or
buy one of those books from lindsaybks.com
that shows you how to make a gasoline-powered
blowtorch.

On 7 Nov 2005 18:52:27 -0800, wrote:


Cant be revived. Its gone bad. If anything you can mix it with fresh
gas and run it on lawnmowers snowblowers etc. (would put it into a
car, might damage things)

Might not run the best but sometimes it better than dumping.

Otherwise you can use it to kill weeds grass etc along the fence.

Nah; that'll cause a bunch of bare spots. What you should do is
mix it with your booze and drink it yourself.

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:36:42 GMT, "Oscar_Lives"
wrote:

|
| "Steveo" wrote in message
| ...
| (Tom Miller) wrote:
| On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 01:57:59 GMT, "FDR"
| wrote:
|
| | I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year
| | old. I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering
| | of it could be "revived" somehow or used instead?
| |
| |
| Only two gallons of just one year old gas? Dump it into your car's gas
| tank and get new gas for the mower. The gas is not that old in the
| first place and there's not enough of it to cause a problem to your
| auto in the second place. Please don't dump it on the ground or use it
| for weed killer, as this is environmentally damaging. In my state,
| it's illegal. People get caught and fined for doing it.
|
| Exactly right!
|
| Please -do not- dump fossil fuel on the ground, you can add that much to
| your car tank and never notice a difference in performance.....if you dump
| that much on the ground, you will kill everything in the soil that's close
| by -and- some fish in your nearest body of water.
|
|
| Why not dump in on the ground? Better yet--poor it down an old well. Gas
| and oil came from the ground. Put it back where it came from and be done
| with it.


How about you make soup out of it and feed it to your family. Or salad
dressing. It's harmless, right?

wrote:
Cant be revived. Its gone bad. If anything you can mix it with fresh
gas and run it on lawnmowers snowblowers etc. (would put it into a
car, might damage things)

Might not run the best but sometimes it better than dumping.

Otherwise you can use it to kill weeds grass etc along the fence.

Tom

Naw, you can put a gallon or two of old gas into a car tank that's more
or less full with new gas (and has room, duh) without screwing anything
up. The new gas has enough reserve solvent capacity to keep anything
solidifying from the old gas in solution. At least, that's what the
lawnmower and snowblower sites I've been looking at lately tell me.

wrote:
On 7 Nov 2005 18:52:27 -0800, wrote:

Cant be revived. Its gone bad. If anything you can mix it with fresh
gas and run it on lawnmowers snowblowers etc. (would put it into a
car, might damage things)

Might not run the best but sometimes it better than dumping.

Otherwise you can use it to kill weeds grass etc along the fence.

Tom

I found 5 gallons of gas that was 3 to 4 years old buried in my shed
this summer. It was just starting to get that "stale gas odor"
I dumped it in my farm tractor along with 5 gallons of new gas.
No problems at all.

I bought an old snowblower with a full tank of gas, that they said was
"at least" two years old. Wouldn't start in the middle of summer, until
my rope-pulling arm nearly fell off. Just for the hell of it, I changed
the plug and gave it a yank and it instantly started. Yeehaw!

Srgnt Billko wrote:
"Don Young" wrote in message
...
I found that adding old gasoline to my Farmall Cub tractor caused severe
valve sticking. Don Young


Interesting - we've had Farmall Cubs in the family for years and I've thrown
all kinds of gas in them in the past. But as I've gotten older and less
inclined to drain tanks & clean carburetors I've been more careful recently.
Just had to drain water out of mine (condensation) from being outside
covered with a tarp. I have a Massey Pony with a "sticky valve" and it's
power is greatly reduced. The only time I've had a Cub with power reduced
that much is when a plug was fouled.

Been looking at the snowblower talks lately, a lot of them swear by
adding Marvel Mystery Oil to the fuel to prevent sticky valves, etc.


"FDR" wrote in message
.. .
I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year old.
I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering of it could
be "revived" somehow or used instead?

Tomatos grown in gasoline soaked ground... Hummmm!!!

You could always mix it up with fresh two cycle gas a little
at a time. No valves to get stuck. Might run a bit crappy though.

I would again mix it either with fresh gas and run it in a lawnmower or

snowblower.

OR

Use it as a nice good weedkiller. Just pour it in small amounts.
Enough to kill the grass but not enough to soak in a do some
soil damage. You might be even able to use it in a spray bottle to
kill the weeds....

Joseph Meehan wrote:
George E. Cawthon wrote:
FDR wrote:
I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year
old. I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering
of it could be "revived" somehow or used instead?


You will get all sorts of answers, possibly
because of varying conditions but often due to
blind prejudice. First 1 year old is not a
problem, 2 years old means be careful, 3 years old
means be really careful and the best advice is to
dump it. If the container is full or nearly, if it
wasn't subject to high or warm temperatures for
the entire period the gas will be in much better
condition that stored in a 1/2 full can and at
higher temperatures.

If it really is about 1 year old just added a
gallon of it at a time to 18 or more gallons of
gas in any vehicle.

George has it right. My suggestion is to add a little at a time to your
car's gas tank. Only do this with a nearly full tank in the car. No more
than a gallon at a time, I would use less. Diluted like this will be safe
for your car.

Today's gas is better than that of years ago so it will last longer
before going bad, which it does just a little at a time.

Yes and no... the advent of in-tank electric fuel pumps for fuel
injection, which are not prone to vapor lock, has led to the refineries
leaving a lot of the real light fractions in the gasoline that they
couldn't in the past, so that they evaporate out more. In fact, older
evaporative pollution control systems from the early 80s and such get
maxed out by current fuel. Whether that would be a problem for a
lawnmower with no fuel pump is dubious, of course.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

z wrote:
Joseph Meehan wrote:
George E. Cawthon wrote:
FDR wrote:
I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a
year old. I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was
wondering of it could be "revived" somehow or used instead?


You will get all sorts of answers, possibly
because of varying conditions but often due to
blind prejudice. First 1 year old is not a
problem, 2 years old means be careful, 3 years old
means be really careful and the best advice is to
dump it. If the container is full or nearly, if it
wasn't subject to high or warm temperatures for
the entire period the gas will be in much better
condition that stored in a 1/2 full can and at
higher temperatures.

If it really is about 1 year old just added a
gallon of it at a time to 18 or more gallons of
gas in any vehicle.

George has it right. My suggestion is to add a little at a time
to your car's gas tank. Only do this with a nearly full tank in the
car. No more than a gallon at a time, I would use less. Diluted
like this will be safe for your car.

Today's gas is better than that of years ago so it will last
longer before going bad, which it does just a little at a time.

Yes and no... the advent of in-tank electric fuel pumps for fuel
injection, which are not prone to vapor lock, has led to the
refineries leaving a lot of the real light fractions in the gasoline
that they couldn't in the past, so that they evaporate out more. In
fact, older evaporative pollution control systems from the early 80s
and such get maxed out by current fuel. Whether that would be a
problem for a lawnmower with no fuel pump is dubious, of course.

True, but evaporation is not ... well in some cases it could be, the
problem of old gas. It is the chemical reactions within the gas that is the
usual problem.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

"z" wrote in message
oups.com...

Srgnt Billko wrote:
"Don Young" wrote in message
...
I found that adding old gasoline to my Farmall Cub tractor caused severe
valve sticking. Don Young


Interesting - we've had Farmall Cubs in the family for years and I've
thrown
all kinds of gas in them in the past. But as I've gotten older and less
inclined to drain tanks & clean carburetors I've been more careful
recently.
Just had to drain water out of mine (condensation) from being outside
covered with a tarp. I have a Massey Pony with a "sticky valve" and it's
power is greatly reduced. The only time I've had a Cub with power
reduced
that much is when a plug was fouled.

Been looking at the snowblower talks lately, a lot of them swear by
adding Marvel Mystery Oil to the fuel to prevent sticky valves, etc.

I had a neighbor who claimed he used Marvel Mystery Oil as "starting fluid".
Is that possible ?
I'm afraid it is too late to "prevent" for that Pony - but I might throw a
little in the gas tanks of my other two and the Cub.



"FDR" wrote in message
.. .
I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year
old.
I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering of it
could
be "revived" somehow or used instead?

Srgnt Billko wrote:
"z" wrote in message
oups.com...

Srgnt Billko wrote:
"Don Young" wrote in message
...
I found that adding old gasoline to my Farmall Cub tractor caused severe
valve sticking. Don Young


Interesting - we've had Farmall Cubs in the family for years and I've
thrown
all kinds of gas in them in the past. But as I've gotten older and less
inclined to drain tanks & clean carburetors I've been more careful
recently.
Just had to drain water out of mine (condensation) from being outside
covered with a tarp. I have a Massey Pony with a "sticky valve" and it's
power is greatly reduced. The only time I've had a Cub with power
reduced
that much is when a plug was fouled.

Been looking at the snowblower talks lately, a lot of them swear by
adding Marvel Mystery Oil to the fuel to prevent sticky valves, etc.

I had a neighbor who claimed he used Marvel Mystery Oil as "starting fluid".
Is that possible ?
I'm afraid it is too late to "prevent" for that Pony - but I might throw a
little in the gas tanks of my other two and the Cub.

Got me. I've never actually opened a can of the stuff.,




"FDR" wrote in message
.. .
I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a year
old.
I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering of it
could
be "revived" somehow or used instead?

On 9 Nov 2005 12:24:50 -0800, wrote:

Tomatos grown in gasoline soaked ground... Hummmm!!!

Where do you think fried tomatoes come from?


Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let
me know if you have posted also.

"Steveo" wrote in message
...
(Tom Miller) wrote:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 01:57:59 GMT, "FDR"
wrote:

| I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a
year
| old. I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was wondering
| of it could be "revived" somehow or used instead?
|
|
Only two gallons of just one year old gas? Dump it into your car's gas
tank and get new gas for the mower. The gas is not that old in the
first place and there's not enough of it to cause a problem to your
auto in the second place. Please don't dump it on the ground or use it
for weed killer, as this is environmentally damaging. In my state,
it's illegal. People get caught and fined for doing it.

Exactly right!

Please -do not- dump fossil fuel on the ground, you can add that much to
your car tank and never notice a difference in performance.....if you dump
that much on the ground, you will kill everything in the soil that's close
by -and- some fish in your nearest body of water.

Use it up first next year you bogart!

Runoff of this can be a problem environmentally. If spreadout along a
fenceline, yes it kills everything for that growing season on that
fenceline. And much less likely to runoff if dumped in one location.
Typically the next growing season, the soil has recovered enough by breaking
down the gasoline to usable or benign components. 2 to 3 years, one would
think fertilizer was dropped there instead by growth appearances. Used
engine oil is similar. Would have second thoughts on synthetic oil or
petroleum based oil with additive product added to the oil by the consumer.

Dumping laws were directed at chemicals, oil products that were dumped with
no attention to the environment. A common invisible example is an
underground gasoline storage tank that has leaks due to age. The contents
get into the water table. The environmental laws apply to all. Even though
some conscientious individual could dispense a given amount of petroleum
waste without any immediate and subsequent impact except the location its
dumped. A gallon of "bad" gasoline doesn't go to far spread out on a
fenceline. Most of it evaporates.

--
Lil' Dave
Beware the rule quoters, the corp mindset, the Borg
Else you will be absorbed

"Bob" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message
news:001cf.5745
Other than killing weeds on the fenceline, there's another
garden use. If
your tomatoes/potato crop location has that contagion that
requires at least
two years of non-growth to allow the contagion to run its
course, then pour
the gas in the area. 2 years later, and alls good
irregardless.

If you'd eat vegetables grown where gasoline was dumped,
MBTE and all, you are a far more "trusting" man than I.

Bob



Why? Edible foods are grown in soil with fertilizers derived from
petroleum, or some form of manure everyday. The only difference here
between petroleum derived fertilizer and this is that am not paying for it.
Mother nature is doing the chemical breakdown of the petroleum product.
Just because its not a common practice, doesn't mean its not viable.

Anyone who's done backyard location car work for years in a location in the
backyard, then abandoned that location has seen the results from the oil and
gasoline waste. Similar to the grass growing greener over a leaky septic
tank or leech field. Fenceline waste oil dumping is the same. Takes a
couple of years to recover, but the results are the same.
--
Lil' Dave
Beware the rule quoters, the corp mindset, the Borg
Else you will be absorbed

"Jim" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Bob" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message
news:001cf.5745
Other than killing weeds on the fenceline, there's another
garden use. If
your tomatoes/potato crop location has that contagion that
requires at least
two years of non-growth to allow the contagion to run its
course, then pour
the gas in the area. 2 years later, and alls good
irregardless.

If you'd eat vegetables grown where gasoline was dumped,
MBTE and all, you are a far more "trusting" man than I.

Bob



Why? Edible foods are grown in soil with fertilizers derived from
petroleum, or some form of manure everyday. The only difference here
between petroleum derived fertilizer and this is that am not paying for
it.
Mother nature is doing the chemical breakdown of the petroleum product.
Just because its not a common practice, doesn't mean its not viable.

Since you know this to be true, please provide us with the chemical formulas
of how gasoline and it's additives become fertilizer.


Anyone who's done backyard location car work for years in a location in
the
backyard, then abandoned that location has seen the results from the oil
and
gasoline waste. Similar to the grass growing greener over a leaky septic
tank or leech field. Fenceline waste oil dumping is the same. Takes a
couple of years to recover, but the results are the same.
--
Lil' Dave
Beware the rule quoters, the corp mindset, the Borg
Else you will be absorbed

Joseph Meehan wrote:
z wrote:
Joseph Meehan wrote:
George E. Cawthon wrote:
FDR wrote:
I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a
year old. I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was
wondering of it could be "revived" somehow or used instead?


You will get all sorts of answers, possibly
because of varying conditions but often due to
blind prejudice. First 1 year old is not a
problem, 2 years old means be careful, 3 years old
means be really careful and the best advice is to
dump it. If the container is full or nearly, if it
wasn't subject to high or warm temperatures for
the entire period the gas will be in much better
condition that stored in a 1/2 full can and at
higher temperatures.

If it really is about 1 year old just added a
gallon of it at a time to 18 or more gallons of
gas in any vehicle.

George has it right. My suggestion is to add a little at a time
to your car's gas tank. Only do this with a nearly full tank in the
car. No more than a gallon at a time, I would use less. Diluted
like this will be safe for your car.

Today's gas is better than that of years ago so it will last
longer before going bad, which it does just a little at a time.

Yes and no... the advent of in-tank electric fuel pumps for fuel
injection, which are not prone to vapor lock, has led to the
refineries leaving a lot of the real light fractions in the gasoline
that they couldn't in the past, so that they evaporate out more. In
fact, older evaporative pollution control systems from the early 80s
and such get maxed out by current fuel. Whether that would be a
problem for a lawnmower with no fuel pump is dubious, of course.

True, but evaporation is not ... well in some cases it could be, the
problem of old gas. It is the chemical reactions within the gas that is the
usual problem.

The evaporation will lead to hard starting, but the oxidation etc. are
what causes varnish and sediment.

Long boring story: I bought a 7 year old Corvair at one point; the
fancy kind with 4 carbs, two primaries and two secondaries. Only the
primaries had idle jets this early in production, and the secondaries
were on a progressive linkage, which meant that unless you floored it,
the gas did not flow through them, just sat and slowly evaporated out
of the float bowls. I guess whoever owned it did not drive very
energetically, as I discovered that both secondary fuel bowls were
absolutely and completely full of solid matter that could not be
removed with any amount of carb cleaner and manual labor, and the carbs
had to be junked. I wonder why the original owner went for the 4 carb
version in the first place?



--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20.

No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the
summer? Is this normal for the industry?

writes:

Joseph Meehan wrote:

Long boring story: I bought a 7 year old Corvair at one point; the
fancy kind with 4 carbs, two primaries and two secondaries. Only the
primaries had idle jets this early in production, and the secondaries
were on a progressive linkage, which meant that unless you floored it,
the gas did not flow through them, just sat and slowly evaporated out
of the float bowls. I guess whoever owned it did not drive very
energetically, as I discovered that both secondary fuel bowls were
absolutely and completely full of solid matter that could not be
removed with any amount of carb cleaner and manual labor, and the carbs
had to be junked. I wonder why the original owner went for the 4 carb
version in the first place?

Yep, what a waste.
That car was a lot of fun.
I had a Corvair convertible with the same setup.

I bought the kit that replaced the 4 carbs with
a center mounted Holly 4 barrel. Zoooom!

writes:
I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20.

No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the
summer? Is this normal for the industry?

Currently... no. But you're dealing with a 35 year old blower!

--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

I have one dated to 1980 and it has a breather - yours should too.

--
PDQ

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wrote in message oups.com...
| I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20.
|
| No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the
| summer? Is this normal for the industry?
|

Yeah its normal. Ariens snowkings dont have one by default. You can
buy one from them though if you really want it. Only thing that
covers the carb is a metal enclosure around it. Its open from the
bottom though.

Tom

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:18:44 GMT, "Jim"
wrote:



| Only two gallons of just one year old gas? Dump it into your car's gas
| tank and get new gas for the mower. The gas is not that old in the
| first place and there's not enough of it to cause a problem to your
| auto in the second place. Please don't dump it on the ground or use it
| for weed killer, as this is environmentally damaging. In my state,
| it's illegal. People get caught and fined for doing it.
|
| Exactly right!
|
| Please -do not- dump fossil fuel on the ground, you can add that much to
| your car tank and never notice a difference in performance.....if you dump
| that much on the ground, you will kill everything in the soil that's close
| by -and- some fish in your nearest body of water.
|
| Use it up first next year you bogart!
|
| Runoff of this can be a problem environmentally. If spreadout along a
| fenceline, yes it kills everything for that growing season on that
| fenceline. And much less likely to runoff if dumped in one location.
| Typically the next growing season, the soil has recovered enough by breaking
| down the gasoline to usable or benign components. 2 to 3 years, one would
| think fertilizer was dropped there instead by growth appearances. Used
| engine oil is similar. Would have second thoughts on synthetic oil or
| petroleum based oil with additive product added to the oil by the consumer.
|
| Dumping laws were directed at chemicals, oil products that were dumped with
| no attention to the environment. A common invisible example is an
| underground gasoline storage tank that has leaks due to age. The contents
| get into the water table. The environmental laws apply to all. Even though
| some conscientious individual could dispense a given amount of petroleum
| waste without any immediate and subsequent impact except the location its
| dumped. A gallon of "bad" gasoline doesn't go to far spread out on a
| fenceline. Most of it evaporates.


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