have been set up in the streets of cities where riots/looting has occurred
in the UK
Pictures shown taken from CCTV of looters etc for IDing them.
They must be mental, we have more CCTV here than anywhere else in the world.

Also posting them on-line.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/metropolitanpolice/

180 pages of pix so far.
Anyone here you know?

Over1200 have been charged so far.
They reckon the total could top 3000

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/police-post-pictures-of-looters-online-as-london-cleans-up-50004671/

On 8/14/2011 1:28 PM, harryagain wrote:
have been set up in the streets of cities where riots/looting has occurred
in the UK
Pictures shown taken from CCTV of looters etc for IDing them.
They must be mental, we have more CCTV here than anywhere else in the world.

Also posting them on-line.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/metropolitanpolice/

180 pages of pix so far.
Anyone here you know?

Over1200 have been charged so far.
They reckon the total could top 3000

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/police-post-pictures-of-looters-online-as-london-cleans-up-50004671/



Somewhere in heaven, George Orwell is smiling.

--
aem sends...

"harryagain" wrote in
:

have been set up in the streets of cities where riots/looting has
occurred in the UK
Pictures shown taken from CCTV of looters etc for IDing them.
They must be mental, we have more CCTV here than anywhere else in the
world.



And they have--utterly and completely--failed in their purpose.

The original purpose of CCTV was to PREVENT chaos, not to aid in the arrest
of those who caused it. The original purpose was to PREVENT victims, not to
help find the culprits who created victims out of innocent persons.

I recently read two interesting statistics from British prison-psychiatrist
Theodore Dalrymple: 1) Only one out of 12 British burglaries is ever
investigated; 2) Only one out of 13 captured burglars is ever punished.

As Dalrymple says, the wonder is not that there are so many burglars in the
UK, the wonder is that there are so few.

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses, and the
first two don't count.



--
Tegger

"aemeijers" wrote in message

stuff snipped

Over1200 have been charged so far.
They reckon the total could top 3000


http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/pol...ers-online-as-
london-cleans-up-50004671/


Somewhere in heaven, George Orwell is smiling.

George was a renowned atheist. He probably wouldn't be found in heaven, if
there's an afterlife. (-:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell

He is best known for the dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (published in
1949) and the satirical novella Animal Farm (1945)-they have together sold
more copies than any two books by any other twentieth-century author . . .
Orwell did not accept the existence of an afterlife, believing in the
finality of death while living and advocating a moral code based on
Judeo-Christian beliefs.

--
Bobby G.

"Tegger" wrote in message
...
"harryagain" wrote in
:

have been set up in the streets of cities where riots/looting has
occurred in the UK
Pictures shown taken from CCTV of looters etc for IDing them.
They must be mental, we have more CCTV here than anywhere else in the
world.



And they have--utterly and completely--failed in their purpose.

The original purpose of CCTV was to PREVENT chaos, not to aid in the
arrest
of those who caused it. The original purpose was to PREVENT victims, not
to
help find the culprits who created victims out of innocent persons.

I recently read two interesting statistics from British
prison-psychiatrist
Theodore Dalrymple: 1) Only one out of 12 British burglaries is ever
investigated; 2) Only one out of 13 captured burglars is ever punished.

As Dalrymple says, the wonder is not that there are so many burglars in
the
UK, the wonder is that there are so few.

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses, and
the
first two don't count.



--
Tegger

The reason is Bliar and the PC set.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:44:24 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses, and the
first two don't count.

Easy answer. Gun Control.

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:20:14 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:44:24 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses, and the
first two don't count.

Easy answer. Gun Control.

Answer #2: A country of harrys.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:20:28 -0500, "
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:20:14 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:44:24 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses, and the
first two don't count.

Easy answer. Gun Control.

Answer #2: A country of harrys.

Summary of Answer #2.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-08-10.html

On Aug 19, 12:49*am, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:20:28 -0500, "

wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:20:14 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:44:24 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses, and the
first two don't count.

Easy answer. *Gun Control.

Answer #2: A country of harrys.

Summary of Answer #2.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-08-10.html

Essentially true.
More of the Bliar/Brown heritage.

On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:58:32 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

On Aug 19, 12:49*am, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:20:28 -0500, "

wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:20:14 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:44:24 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses, and the
first two don't count.

Easy answer. *Gun Control.

Answer #2: A country of harrys.

Summary of Answer #2.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-08-10.html

Essentially true.
More of the Bliar/Brown heritage.

It didn't happen in a decade. You've been losers for the better part of the
last century.

On Aug 20, 12:06*am, "
wrote:
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:58:32 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:
On Aug 19, 12:49*am, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:20:28 -0500, "

wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:20:14 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:44:24 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses, and the
first two don't count.

Easy answer. *Gun Control.

Answer #2: A country of harrys.

Summary of Answer #2.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-08-10.html

Essentially true.
More of the Bliar/Brown heritage.

It didn't happen in a decade. *You've been losers for the better part of the
last century.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It happened largely in the scumBliar era.
But not to worry. You joined the club some time since.
I think the economic future for you is somewhat bleaker than ours.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:40:28 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

On Aug 20, 12:06*am, "
wrote:
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:58:32 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:
On Aug 19, 12:49*am, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:20:28 -0500, "

wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:20:14 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:44:24 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses, and the
first two don't count.

Easy answer. *Gun Control.

Answer #2: A country of harrys.

Summary of Answer #2.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-08-10.html

Essentially true.
More of the Bliar/Brown heritage.

It didn't happen in a decade. *You've been losers for the better part of the
last century.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It happened largely in the scumBliar era.

Absolute nonsense. The sun set on the British Empire *long* ago.

But not to worry. You joined the club some time since.

We're only just going where you've long been.

I think the economic future for you is somewhat bleaker than ours.

You're 100% wrong on that one.

"harryagain" wrote in
:


"Tegger" wrote in message
...


Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses,
and the
first two don't count.


The reason is Bliar and the PC set.





Nothing to do with Blair in specific, and everything to do with the morons
that have run the UK in general since about 1960.

Your stupid country actively punishes people who defend against violence.
At the same time, the perpetrators of that violence are allowed -- nay,
deliberately incited -- to do whatever they like to innocents, with little
or no threat of punishment, and sometimes even monetary rewards for having
committed their violence.

Anarchy caused by crushing, thoroughly-misguided authority: That's your
United Kingdom.


--
Tegger

On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:20:34 +0000 (UTC), Tegger wrote:

"harryagain" wrote in
:


"Tegger" wrote in message
...


Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses,
and the
first two don't count.


The reason is Bliar and the PC set.





Nothing to do with Blair in specific, and everything to do with the morons
that have run the UK in general since about 1960.

Your stupid country actively punishes people who defend against violence.
At the same time, the perpetrators of that violence are allowed -- nay,
deliberately incited -- to do whatever they like to innocents, with little
or no threat of punishment, and sometimes even monetary rewards for having
committed their violence.

A Clockwork Orange wasn't fiction.

Anarchy caused by crushing, thoroughly-misguided authority: That's your
United Kingdom.

On Aug 21, 5:58*am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:20:34 +0000 (UTC), Tegger wrote:
"harryagain" wrote in
:

"Tegger" wrote in message
...

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses,
and the
first two don't count.

The reason is Bliar and the PC set.

Nothing to do with Blair in specific, and everything to do with the morons
that have run the UK in general since about 1960.

Your stupid country actively punishes people who defend against violence..
At the same time, the perpetrators of that violence are allowed -- nay,
deliberately incited -- to do whatever they like to innocents, with little
or no threat of punishment, and sometimes even monetary rewards for having
committed their violence.

A Clockwork Orange wasn't fiction.



Anarchy caused by crushing, thoroughly-misguided authority: That's your
United Kingdom.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The rot comes from this crap that comes from America. Violent videos.
films and computer games etc.
Arnie, f***k off

On Aug 14, 3:44 pm, Tegger wrote:

As Dalrymple says, the wonder is not that there are so many burglars in the
UK, the wonder is that there are so few.

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses, and the
first two don't count.

--
Tegger

Andy comments:

Go and hang around alt.sixtyplus which has a lot of Brit posters,
and start asking questions about the riots. You'll soon have a good
idea of the British psyche .

Andy in Eureka, Texas

On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:24:16 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

On Aug 21, 5:58*am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:20:34 +0000 (UTC), Tegger wrote:
"harryagain" wrote in
:

"Tegger" wrote in message
...

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses,
and the
first two don't count.

The reason is Bliar and the PC set.

Nothing to do with Blair in specific, and everything to do with the morons
that have run the UK in general since about 1960.

Your stupid country actively punishes people who defend against violence.
At the same time, the perpetrators of that violence are allowed -- nay,
deliberately incited -- to do whatever they like to innocents, with little
or no threat of punishment, and sometimes even monetary rewards for having
committed their violence.

A Clockwork Orange wasn't fiction.



Anarchy caused by crushing, thoroughly-misguided authority: That's your
United Kingdom.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The rot comes from this crap that comes from America. Violent videos.
films and computer games etc.
Arnie, f***k off

I know. The demise of the British Empire was Goerge Bush's fault.

The rot comes from this crap that comes from America. Violent videos.
films *and computer games etc.
Arnie, f***k off

I know. *The demise of the British Empire was Goerge Bush's fault. *



No. Roosevelt and Truman between them.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:58:55 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:


The rot comes from this crap that comes from America. Violent videos.
films *and computer games etc.
Arnie, f***k off

I know. *The demise of the British Empire was Goerge Bush's fault. *



No. Roosevelt and Truman between them.

You're just too funny, harry. I guess you would be happier speaking German or
Russian.

On Aug 21, 6:21*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:58:55 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

The rot comes from this crap that comes from America. Violent videos.
films *and computer games etc.
Arnie, f***k off

I know. *The demise of the British Empire was Goerge Bush's fault. *

No. Roosevelt and Truman between them.

You're just too funny, harry. *I guess you would be happier speaking German or
Russian.

I already speak some German. And Bush was as bad as Hitler so you
will be speaking from first hand experience.

On Aug 21, 10:26*am, Andy wrote:
On Aug 14, 3:44 pm, Tegger wrote:

As Dalrymple says, the wonder is not that there are so many burglars in the
UK, the wonder is that there are so few.

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses, and the
first two don't count.

Why are there so many (shot) dead people in the USA?
Answer, they watch all the Hollywood crap,which they take as gospel
being of low intelligence and mostly never setting foot outside
America.

harry wrote:
On Aug 21, 10:26 am, Andy wrote:
On Aug 14, 3:44 pm, Tegger wrote:

As Dalrymple says, the wonder is not that there are so many
burglars in the UK, the wonder is that there are so few.

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses,
and the first two don't count.

Why are there so many (shot) dead people in the USA?
Answer, they watch all the Hollywood crap,which they take as gospel
being of low intelligence and mostly never setting foot outside
America.

True, many people in America are killed by gunfire (and other means), but
the simple truth is that they needed killin'.

As for foreign travel, I can't speak for othes, but I, myself, have been to
southern Mississippi. I spent two weeks there one night.

"HeyBub" wrote in
m:

harry wrote:
On Aug 21, 10:26 am, Andy wrote:
On Aug 14, 3:44 pm, Tegger wrote:

As Dalrymple says, the wonder is not that there are so many
burglars in the UK, the wonder is that there are so few.

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses,
and the first two don't count.

Why are there so many (shot) dead people in the USA?
Answer, they watch all the Hollywood crap,which they take as gospel
being of low intelligence and mostly never setting foot outside
America.

True, many people in America are killed by gunfire (and other means),
but the simple truth is that they needed killin'.




Most US murders are drug- and gang-related.

There was a study a while back, of, I believe, Newark NJ and Baltimore MD,
which revealed that some 90% of murders in each city were drug- and gang-
related.

Repeal the appallingly moronic and deadly "war" on drugs and America's
murder rate may well drop /below/ that of the UK.

It must also be stated that the US and the UK measure murder rates
differently: In the US, it's the ORIGINAL CHARGE that's recorded. If the
charge later gets dropped, or pled-down to a lesser offense, the incident
still gets counted in the murder statistics. In the UK, the original charge
is followed through the courts. If the charge gets dropped or pled-down,
the incident comes off the murder statistics. Therefore, UK statistics are
biased low compared to US statistics.




As for foreign travel, I can't speak for othes, but I, myself, have
been to southern Mississippi. I spent two weeks there one night.




We were almost on the VA/NC border, a few weeks ago. I didn't see any
murders at all, even in border territory.


--
Tegger

On Aug 22, 1:56*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:
On Aug 21, 10:26 am, Andy wrote:
On Aug 14, 3:44 pm, Tegger wrote:

As Dalrymple says, the wonder is not that there are so many
burglars in the UK, the wonder is that there are so few.

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses,
and the first two don't count.

Why are there so many (shot) dead people in the USA?
Answer, they watch all the Hollywood crap,which they take as gospel
being of low intelligence and mostly never setting foot outside
America.

True, many people in America are killed by gunfire (and other means), but
the simple truth is that they needed killin'.

As for foreign travel, I can't speak for othes, but I, myself, have been to
southern Mississippi. I spent two weeks there one night.

You "spent two weeks there one night". Very interesting.
I quite fancy to visit Mississippi. Sounds an interesting place.

We have lots of people over here needs killing too.
Mostly politicians.

Tegger wrote:

True, many people in America are killed by gunfire (and other means),
but the simple truth is that they needed killin'.




Most US murders are drug- and gang-related.

There was a study a while back, of, I believe, Newark NJ and
Baltimore MD, which revealed that some 90% of murders in each city
were drug- and gang- related.

Repeal the appallingly moronic and deadly "war" on drugs and America's
murder rate may well drop /below/ that of the UK.


Well, yeah, that would work.

Once that threshold is breached, we can repeal the laws on murder. That
would drop the murder rate as well.

Beware of unintended consequences of simple solutions.

In article , "HeyBub" wrote:
Tegger wrote:

Repeal the appallingly moronic and deadly "war" on drugs and America's
murder rate may well drop /below/ that of the UK.

Well, yeah, that would work.

Once that threshold is breached, we can repeal the laws on murder. That
would drop the murder rate as well.

Beware of unintended consequences of simple solutions.

The unintended consequences of repealing drug laws can hardly be any worse
than the *intended* consequences of the laws as they exist now.

Case in point, part I:
Try to justify the 18-to-1 disparity (formerly 100-to-1) in sentencing for
possession of crack cocaine vs. possession of the identical mass of powder
cocaine. Users of the first tend, generally, to have darker skin than users of
the second; explain why this is unrelated to the disparity in sentencing.

Case in point, part II:
Try to justify making a criminal act out of John Q. Citizen smoking marijuana
in the privacy of his own living room -- bearing in mind that the only
defensible reason for depriving any citizen of life, liberty, or property is
that his conduct in some way harms or imperils someone *else*. Explain how
this is qualitatively different from drinking whiskey in the privacy of his
own living room, to the extent that the former should be a crime and the
latter should not.

Case in point, part III:
In many jurisdictions, possession of more than some threshold amount of a
substance upgrades the crime from possession (typically a misdemeanor) to
possession with intent to distribute (typically a felony). I make my own beer
and wine at home; at present, I have approximately 25 gallons of beer, and 50
of wine, in my basement. Explain why this should be legal, but I could go to
prison for four years, and be fined ten thousand dollars, for having ten
pounds of marijuana along with the beer and wine.

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:19:13 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

On Aug 21, 6:21*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:58:55 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

The rot comes from this crap that comes from America. Violent videos.
films *and computer games etc.
Arnie, f***k off

I know. *The demise of the British Empire was Goerge Bush's fault. *

No. Roosevelt and Truman between them.

You're just too funny, harry. *I guess you would be happier speaking German or
Russian.

I already speak some German.

....but you don't speak German. It would likely be Russian, anyway.

And Bush was as bad as Hitler so you
will be speaking from first hand experience.

You really don't need to demonstrate just how loony you are. Everyone already
knows.

On 8/22/2011 4:19 AM, harry wrote:
On Aug 21, 6:21 pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:58:55 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

The rot comes from this crap that comes from America. Violent videos.
films and computer games etc.
Arnie, f***k off

I know. The demise of the British Empire was Goerge Bush's fault.

No. Roosevelt and Truman between them.

You're just too funny, harry. I guess you would be happier speaking German or
Russian.

I already speak some German. And Bush was as bad as Hitler so you
will be speaking from first hand experience.
I know the term will be meaningless to harry, but can I now invoke
Godwin here, collect my five pounds, and kill any future posts from him
about politics and world history?

--
aem sends...

On 8/22/2011 12:50 PM, Tegger wrote:
wrote in
m:

harry wrote:
On Aug 21, 10:26 am, wrote:
On Aug 14, 3:44 pm, wrote:

As Dalrymple says, the wonder is not that there are so many
burglars in the UK, the wonder is that there are so few.

Why is Britain the anarchic mess that it is? You get three guesses,
and the first two don't count.

Why are there so many (shot) dead people in the USA?
Answer, they watch all the Hollywood crap,which they take as gospel
being of low intelligence and mostly never setting foot outside
America.

True, many people in America are killed by gunfire (and other means),
but the simple truth is that they needed killin'.




Most US murders are drug- and gang-related.

There was a study a while back, of, I believe, Newark NJ and Baltimore MD,
which revealed that some 90% of murders in each city were drug- and gang-
related.


Forget it- we've tried to explain it to harry before- if you don't hang
out in areas (mainly gang-infested old urban areas) where people carry
guns to prove how manly they are, and don't screw around with married
women, your chances of getting shot in this country are right up there
with getting hit by lightning. I've been to other countries, and read
about most. I like my odds of survival, physical and financial, much
better here.

--
aem sends...

On Aug 23, 1:26*am, "
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:19:13 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:
On Aug 21, 6:21 pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:58:55 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

The rot comes from this crap that comes from America. Violent videos.
films and computer games etc.
Arnie, f***k off

I know. The demise of the British Empire was Goerge Bush's fault.

No. Roosevelt and Truman between them.

You're just too funny, harry. I guess you would be happier speaking German or
Russian.

I already speak some German.

...but you don't speak German. *It would likely be Russian, anyway.

And Bush was as bad as Hitler so you
will be speaking from first hand experience.

You really don't need to demonstrate just how loony you are. *Everyone already
knows.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Let's see.
They both invaded foreign countries for no good reason.
They both ran concentration camps.
The both used torture.
They both stole the assets of occupied countries.
They both looked after their friends in high places.
They both ran a war/arms economy as normal commerce failed.
In short they are both war criminals

On Aug 23, 2:19*am, aemeijers wrote:
On 8/22/2011 4:19 AM, harry wrote:



On Aug 21, 6:21 pm, "
*wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:58:55 -0700 (PDT), *wrote:

The rot comes from this crap that comes from America. Violent videos.
films *and computer games etc.
Arnie, f***k off

I know. *The demise of the British Empire was Goerge Bush's fault.

No. Roosevelt and Truman between them.

You're just too funny, harry. *I guess you would be happier speaking German or
Russian.

I already speak some German. *And Bush was as bad as Hitler so you
will be speaking from first hand experience.

I know the term will be meaningless to harry, but can I now invoke
Godwin here, collect my five pounds, and kill any future posts from him
about politics and world history?

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or
hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with
Nazis. The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions
covering known mainstays of Nazi Germany such as genocide, eugenics or
racial superiority, nor, more debatably, to a discussion of other
totalitarian regimes or ideologies, since a Nazi comparison in those
circumstances may be appropriate. In effect committing the fallacist's
fallacy. Whether it applies to humorous use or references to oneself
is open to interpretation, since this would not be a fallacious attack
against a debate opponent.

Clearly NOT a Godwins.

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:19:28 -0400, aemeijers
wrote:

I know the term will be meaningless to harry, but can I now invoke
Godwin here, collect my five pounds, and kill any future posts from him
about politics and world history?

Yes!

harry sees himself as an intellectual; a "superior thinker". He truly
believes it is his "duty to lead the rest of us poor, dumb schmucks
out of the swamp of human misery, before we hurt ourselves, kill
everyone around us, and destroy the planet."

He has the same old tired song and dance. He lacks the ability to
develop new material by regurgitating his hatred of America.

It does seem to me, at least, that he is ****ed off because he is not
an American. He lacks any sense of duty or honor of country. He is
filled with hate, anger and misguided thinking. Essentially, he wants
everyone else to be as miserable as himself.

“If you believe in a future that will redeem mankind, what lie will
you not tell and what crime will you not commit to make the future
happen?” -- David Horowitz

(no need to reply harry)

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:54:40 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

On Aug 23, 1:26*am, "
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:19:13 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:
On Aug 21, 6:21 pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:58:55 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:

The rot comes from this crap that comes from America. Violent videos.
films and computer games etc.
Arnie, f***k off

I know. The demise of the British Empire was Goerge Bush's fault.

No. Roosevelt and Truman between them.

You're just too funny, harry. I guess you would be happier speaking German or
Russian.

I already speak some German.

...but you don't speak German. *It would likely be Russian, anyway.

And Bush was as bad as Hitler so you
will be speaking from first hand experience.

You really don't need to demonstrate just how loony you are. *Everyone already
knows.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Let's see.
They both invaded foreign countries for no good reason.
They both ran concentration camps.
The both used torture.
They both stole the assets of occupied countries.
They both looked after their friends in high places.
They both ran a war/arms economy as normal commerce failed.
In short they are both war criminals

I already told you, harry, you don't need to convince us how loony you are. We
know!

"Oren" wrote in message

"If you believe in a future that will redeem mankind, what lie will
you not tell and what crime will you not commit to make the future
happen?" -- David Horowitz

Great quote. I read about a recent study about how often people lie about
things large and small. The result? How can you tell when someone's lying?
Their lips are moving. People lie ALL the time and the more remote they are
physically, they more they lie. They lie about things that don't make any
difference to anyone or provide the liars with a reward.

I can imagine that when you get a selective enough population, like a
prison, you get people who lie all the time about everything.

I recall they said that the talking head interview in front of a green
screen set with a "magicked in" background and only a camera in the room is
the atmosphere that is most conducive to lying because there's no human
feedback. Think of that when you watch the evening news.

--
Bobby G.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message

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Case in point, part II:
Try to justify making a criminal act out of John Q. Citizen smoking
marijuana
in the privacy of his own living room -- bearing in mind that the only
defensible reason for depriving any citizen of life, liberty, or property
is
that his conduct in some way harms or imperils someone *else*. Explain how
this is qualitatively different from drinking whiskey in the privacy of
his
own living room, to the extent that the former should be a crime and the
latter should not.

Prohibition showed how futile it was to try to keep people from alcohol, a
substance that can be produced quite easily at home. Just like marijuana.
The "bonus" from Prohibition was the creation of a powerful criminal
underclass (just like what's happening in Mexico) that haunts us still
today. My lawyer friend assures me that the alcohol industry spends
millions to fund alleged "grass roots" anti-drug groups (astroturfers, after
the fake "green") and lobbyists because they know what legalization will do
to their profits. They'll plummet.

Case in point, part III:
In many jurisdictions, possession of more than some threshold amount of a
substance upgrades the crime from possession (typically a misdemeanor) to
possession with intent to distribute (typically a felony). I make my own
beer
and wine at home; at present, I have approximately 25 gallons of beer, and
50
of wine, in my basement. Explain why this should be legal, but I could go
to
prison for four years, and be fined ten thousand dollars, for having ten
pounds of marijuana along with the beer and wine.

It won't be that way too much longer. Lots of lives have been ruined for
idiotically small amounts of pot. When enough lawmaker's kids get screwed,
the laws will change. Another couple of years of bad tax revenue in
California, and they'll legalize what already is an enormous industry.

It's people who have been brainwashed that pot leads to heroin that keep
these laws afloat, but they'll die out. Or when the get glaucoma or cancer,
they'll find that there is indeed a legitmate medical use for it that no
other man-made pharmaceutical provides. The war on drugs is just like our
two other wars. Not much to show for a shi+ load of money spent.

Speaking of brainwashing I saw a piece on TV about the alleged four areas of
the tongue (salty, sweet, sour and bitter). That map we all saw as kids is
total BS, just like the pot to heroin myth:

http://www.livescience.com/7113-tong...-debunked.html

"Only in recent years have taste receptors been identified. One of the
first breakthroughs in taste research came in 1974 with the realization that
the tongue map was essentially a century-old misunderstanding that no one
challenged."

--
Bobby G.

"aemeijers" wrote in message

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I've been to other countries, and read
about most. I like my odds of survival, physical and financial, much
better here.

I found that once I understood what enormous protection the Constitution
provides the citizens of the US that I became very reluctant to go anywhere
outside of its umbrella. My wife had to take a special course before the
Army sent her to Saudi Arabia about all the ways she could get herself into
serious trouble and how serious that trouble could be.

She could not drive or sit in the front seat of a vehicle when off base and
she was advised strongly to wear burkhas or hijabs. IIRC, AF women at
Prince Sultan AFB HAD to wear them until somebody sued. Still, she said you
just didn't go into town in uniform for ANY reasons. Wearing a hijab, she
said, was just like wearing camoflauge BDO's. You do it to survive. And
*these* are our allies!

They've got all our petrodollars, they've got our best weapons. Why aren't
*they* leading the charge to create muslim democracies instead of us?

--
Bobby G.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:40:10 -0400, "Robert Green"
wrote:

"Oren" wrote in message

"If you believe in a future that will redeem mankind, what lie will
you not tell and what crime will you not commit to make the future
happen?" -- David Horowitz

Great quote. I read about a recent study about how often people lie about
things large and small. The result? How can you tell when someone's lying?
Their lips are moving. People lie ALL the time and the more remote they are
physically, they more they lie. They lie about things that don't make any
difference to anyone or provide the liars with a reward.


Honey runs out their mouth and nose.

I can imagine that when you get a selective enough population, like a
prison, you get people who lie all the time about everything.


Yep. some of them will be inmates.

"Oren" wrote in message

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I can imagine that when you get a selective enough population, like a
prison, you get people who lie all the time about everything.


Yep. some of them will be inmates.

(-:

I'd like to see a study that ranked various occupations for truthfulness. I
don't recall truth being very important at the law firm I worked at.
Plausible denial was the thing to shoot for. The second most important
things witnesses were told was how to say "I can't remember" in at least
four different ways: "I have no recollection of those events","those were
hazy times", "I can't remember that far back", and the famous "I couldn't
swear to it."

Truth is allegedly important to journalists but look at what's happening to
the whole lying phone-message tapping bunch of limey newsmen/women. They
are clearly more concerned with the lies that others tell than their own
lies.

Doctors? Most docs today claim they are booked months in advance so they
can discourage patients who don't have insurance or are on the "I Sued A
Doctor" list that more and more are subscribing to. So they start off by
lying. (-:

Diogenes, where might we find a truthful man in 2011. Not in the Whitehouse
or Congress, either . . .

Somebody once said lies are the grease that lubricates society.

--
Bobby G.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:03:06 -0400, "Robert Green"
wrote:

"Oren" wrote in message

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I can imagine that when you get a selective enough population, like a
prison, you get people who lie all the time about everything.


Yep. some of them will be inmates.

(-:

I'd like to see a study that ranked various occupations for truthfulness. I
don't recall truth being very important at the law firm I worked at.
Plausible denial was the thing to shoot for. The second most important
things witnesses were told was how to say "I can't remember" in at least
four different ways: "I have no recollection of those events","those were
hazy times", "I can't remember that far back", and the famous "I couldn't
swear to it."

Truth is allegedly important to journalists but look at what's happening to
the whole lying phone-message tapping bunch of limey newsmen/women. They
are clearly more concerned with the lies that others tell than their own
lies.

Doctors? Most docs today claim they are booked months in advance so they
can discourage patients who don't have insurance or are on the "I Sued A
Doctor" list that more and more are subscribing to. So they start off by
lying. (-:

Diogenes, where might we find a truthful man in 2011. Not in the Whitehouse
or Congress, either . . .

Somebody once said lies are the grease that lubricates society.

Have you been keeping up with Fast and Furious?! Talk about lies.

If the scandal breaks -- Watergate is a drop in the bucket.

Fecal matter is flying in DC. POTUS and AG Holder are trying to duck
for cover. And nobody say they didn't know. It was funded...

People died.

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:05:03 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:03:06 -0400, "Robert Green"
wrote:

"Oren" wrote in message

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I can imagine that when you get a selective enough population, like a
prison, you get people who lie all the time about everything.


Yep. some of them will be inmates.

(-:

I'd like to see a study that ranked various occupations for truthfulness. I
don't recall truth being very important at the law firm I worked at.
Plausible denial was the thing to shoot for. The second most important
things witnesses were told was how to say "I can't remember" in at least
four different ways: "I have no recollection of those events","those were
hazy times", "I can't remember that far back", and the famous "I couldn't
swear to it."

Truth is allegedly important to journalists but look at what's happening to
the whole lying phone-message tapping bunch of limey newsmen/women. They
are clearly more concerned with the lies that others tell than their own
lies.

Doctors? Most docs today claim they are booked months in advance so they
can discourage patients who don't have insurance or are on the "I Sued A
Doctor" list that more and more are subscribing to. So they start off by
lying. (-:

Diogenes, where might we find a truthful man in 2011. Not in the Whitehouse
or Congress, either . . .

Somebody once said lies are the grease that lubricates society.

Have you been keeping up with Fast and Furious?! Talk about lies.

If the scandal breaks -- Watergate is a drop in the bucket.

It won't. Obama's press won't let it.

Fecal matter is flying in DC. POTUS and AG Holder are trying to duck
for cover. And nobody say they didn't know. It was funded...

Not to worry. A scapegoat will be found.

People died.

You think that bothers them? It's for the children.