my home is like 70 or even more years old (not sure really). I want to
know if i should upgrad the wiring. the electrical panel shows i have
100 amp. I have been told if i have knob 2 wiring then i should change
it to 3 knob wiring. My question, how can I know if i have 2 knob
wireing or 3? in the main floor, i have all power outlet with 2 holes
(+,-) upstair I have power oullet with 3 holes (+,-, ground)
Thanks a lot.

"leza wang" wrote in message
...
my home is like 70 or even more years old (not sure really). I want
to
know if i should upgrad the wiring. the electrical panel shows i
have
100 amp. I have been told if i have knob 2 wiring then i should
change
it to 3 knob wiring. My question, how can I know if i have 2 knob
wireing or 3? in the main floor, i have all power outlet with 2
holes
(+,-) upstair I have power oullet with 3 holes (+,-, ground)
Thanks a lot.

If you are not having problems with fuses blowing, etc. then no urgent
need to do anything...

However note that modern wiring is *much* safer and will protect
people from being electrocuted. Especially small children.

Also there is a greater risk of fire with older wiring, especially
around ceiling and wall light fixtures where the insulation on the
wires might have crumbled inside the wall due to heat from the lights.
At a minimum I would have that upgraded to high temperature wiring and
have GFCI outlets installed in wet areas like bathroom, kitchen, and
outside outlets.

Also be sure you have working smoke detectors inside each bedroom and
in the hallways outside the bedrooms. (No matter what you do with the
wiring.)

On 7/4/2011 8:45 AM, leza wang wrote:
my home is like 70 or even more years old (not sure really). I want to
know if i should upgrad the wiring. the electrical panel shows i have
100 amp. I have been told if i have knob 2 wiring then i should change
it to 3 knob wiring. My question, how can I know if i have 2 knob
wireing or 3? in the main floor, i have all power outlet with 2 holes
(+,-) upstair I have power oullet with 3 holes (+,-, ground)
Thanks a lot.

As another poster said, if you're not having problems or symptoms
(including such things as flickering or dimming when turn on large
appliances), likelihood is you're not in terrible shape.

There will be at least one regular who will insist it _must_ be done now
and spout insurance as the reason amongst other ravings.

My real answer is "we can't tell from here".

You need your own system evaluated by an expert who can see and touch it
and determine the state.

--

"leza wang" wrote in message
...
my home is like 70 or even more years old (not sure really). I want to
know if i should upgrad the wiring. the electrical panel shows i have
100 amp. I have been told if i have knob 2 wiring then i should change
it to 3 knob wiring. My question, how can I know if i have 2 knob
wireing or 3? in the main floor, i have all power outlet with 2 holes
(+,-) upstair I have power oullet with 3 holes (+,-, ground)
Thanks a lot.

Knob and Tube wiring. Time to upgrade, especially if you are putting loads
like air conditioners. Call a competent electrician or two for estimates
and recommendations.

On 7/4/2011 9:45 AM, leza wang wrote:
my home is like 70 or even more years old (not sure really). I want to
know if i should upgrad the wiring. the electrical panel shows i have
100 amp. I have been told if i have knob 2 wiring then i should change
it to 3 knob wiring. My question, how can I know if i have 2 knob
wireing or 3? in the main floor, i have all power outlet with 2 holes
(+,-) upstair I have power oullet with 3 holes (+,-, ground)
Thanks a lot.

OK Leza, here's the deal. A 70+ year old house can, and probably does
have many types of wiring, possibly including Knob & Tube. The fact that
you have a 100 amp service is a good indicator that some upgrading has
already been done. Older wiring, regardless of type, will be less safe
than current wiring types. This doesn't necessarily mean you should run
out and have it all replaced. It would be helpful if you could post some
pictures of your electric service, the cables entering the service
panel, and any wiring you can see in your attic. With the pictures, a
better evaluation of you situation can be made.

Please look in the cellar. Go into the cellar, bring a
flashlight, and look up. If it looks like this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-and-tubes.jpg
it's the old, dangeous stuff. If so, please call three or
four electricians to submit estimates for upgrading to the
newer, safer wiring.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"leza wang" wrote in message
...
my home is like 70 or even more years old (not sure really).
I want to
know if i should upgrad the wiring. the electrical panel
shows i have
100 amp. I have been told if i have knob 2 wiring then i
should change
it to 3 knob wiring. My question, how can I know if i have 2
knob
wireing or 3? in the main floor, i have all power outlet
with 2 holes
(+,-) upstair I have power oullet with 3 holes (+,-, ground)
Thanks a lot.

Are your outlets 3 prong?

If you have K&T wiring you might as well replace it now and get some
use out of your money.

Homeowners insurance companies refuse to provide new insurance
policies to K&T homes .........

K&T usually isnt grounded, has few outlets making for more extension
cords a big fire risk.

just call state farm and ask about a new policy with K&T you will get
turned down flat.

if a future home buyer cant get insurance they cant get a mortage
so no one will want to buy your home

well maybe a cash buyer at great discount... which isnt good for sales
price.

think of how many new cars and other things you buy in 70 years, to
get modern safe things.

well the electrical system in your home is no different. nothing lasts
forever

On 7/4/2011 12:18 PM, bob haller wrote:
Are your outlets 3 prong?

If you have K&T wiring you might as well replace it now and get some
use out of your money.

Homeowners insurance companies refuse to provide new insurance
policies to K&T homes .........

K&T usually isnt grounded, has few outlets making for more extension
cords a big fire risk.

just call state farm and ask about a new policy with K&T you will get
turned down flat.

if a future home buyer cant get insurance they cant get a mortage
so no one will want to buy your home

well maybe a cash buyer at great discount... which isnt good for sales
price.

think of how many new cars and other things you buy in 70 years, to
get modern safe things.

well the electrical system in your home is no different. nothing lasts
forever

Again, another incident of this lie. Insurance companies don't know or
care about the wiring.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
On 7/4/2011 12:18 PM, bob haller wrote:
Are your outlets 3 prong?

If you have K&T wiring you might as well replace it now and get some
use out of your money.

Homeowners insurance companies refuse to provide new insurance
policies to K&T homes .........

K&T usually isnt grounded, has few outlets making for more extension
cords a big fire risk.

just call state farm and ask about a new policy with K&T you will get
turned down flat.

if a future home buyer cant get insurance they cant get a mortage
so no one will want to buy your home

well maybe a cash buyer at great discount... which isnt good for sales
price.

think of how many new cars and other things you buy in 70 years, to
get modern safe things.

well the electrical system in your home is no different. nothing lasts
forever

Again, another incident of this lie. Insurance companies don't know or
care about the wiring.

Maybe, but I just changed my insurance company and they asked a lot of
questions, because my house was originally constructed in 1970, questions
came up about aluminum wiring, I am sure if the house pre-dated WW2, I would
have had questions about K&T wiring. One cannot make assumptions that apply
to every company, but many are getting particular on who they will insure,
and probably will increase the price if there are additional risks
discovered.

On 7/4/2011 12:45 PM, EXT wrote:

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
On 7/4/2011 12:18 PM, bob haller wrote:
Are your outlets 3 prong?

If you have K&T wiring you might as well replace it now and get some
use out of your money.

Homeowners insurance companies refuse to provide new insurance
policies to K&T homes .........

K&T usually isnt grounded, has few outlets making for more extension
cords a big fire risk.

just call state farm and ask about a new policy with K&T you will get
turned down flat.

if a future home buyer cant get insurance they cant get a mortage
so no one will want to buy your home

well maybe a cash buyer at great discount... which isnt good for sales
price.

think of how many new cars and other things you buy in 70 years, to
get modern safe things.

well the electrical system in your home is no different. nothing lasts
forever

Again, another incident of this lie. Insurance companies don't know or
care about the wiring.

Maybe, but I just changed my insurance company and they asked a lot of
questions, because my house was originally constructed in 1970,
questions came up about aluminum wiring, I am sure if the house
pre-dated WW2, I would have had questions about K&T wiring. One cannot
make assumptions that apply to every company, but many are getting
particular on who they will insure, and probably will increase the price
if there are additional risks discovered.



All i can tell you is that there are probably 2000 early 1900's houses
in the town i live in. And I'll bet 99% of them are insured. AND I'll
also bet there are other towns in the US of A that are very similar.
So, to blanket say "knob and tube can't be insured" is ridiculous.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On 7/4/2011 12:45 PM, EXT wrote:

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
On 7/4/2011 12:18 PM, bob haller wrote:
Are your outlets 3 prong?

If you have K&T wiring you might as well replace it now and get some
use out of your money.

Homeowners insurance companies refuse to provide new insurance
policies to K&T homes .........

K&T usually isnt grounded, has few outlets making for more extension
cords a big fire risk.

just call state farm and ask about a new policy with K&T you will get
turned down flat.

if a future home buyer cant get insurance they cant get a mortage
so no one will want to buy your home

well maybe a cash buyer at great discount... which isnt good for sales
price.

think of how many new cars and other things you buy in 70 years, to
get modern safe things.

well the electrical system in your home is no different. nothing lasts
forever

Again, another incident of this lie. Insurance companies don't know or
care about the wiring.

Maybe, but I just changed my insurance company and they asked a lot of
questions, because my house was originally constructed in 1970,
questions came up about aluminum wiring, I am sure if the house
pre-dated WW2, I would have had questions about K&T wiring. One cannot
make assumptions that apply to every company, but many are getting
particular on who they will insure, and probably will increase the price
if there are additional risks discovered.



also, I would add that I believe the aluminum wiring your company was
concerned about is many many times more of a concern than knob and tube.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On Jul 4, 1:33*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
On 7/4/2011 12:18 PM, bob haller wrote:





Are your outlets 3 prong?

If you have K&T wiring you might as well replace it now and get some
use out of your money.

Homeowners insurance companies refuse to provide new *insurance
policies to K&T homes .........

K&T usually isnt grounded, has few outlets making for more extension
cords a big fire risk.

just call state farm and ask about a new policy with K&T you will get
turned down flat.

if a future home buyer cant get insurance they cant get a mortage
so no one will want to buy your home

well maybe a cash buyer at great discount... which isnt good for sales
price.

think of how many new cars and other things you buy in 70 years, to
get modern safe things.

well the electrical system in your home is no different. nothing lasts
forever

Again, another incident of this lie. *Insurance companies don't know or
care about the wiring.

--
Steve Barker


Anyone who doubts my statement just call state farm. They will flat
out NOT sell a new policy to any NEW customer with K&T./

Its not just the K&T but the lack of sufficent outlets etc......

these days a new homeowners policy gets a home inspection by a
insurance company representive or at minimum the agent drives by and
takes photos of ther new perspective customers home.

they dont want to voluntarily insure homes at risk.

On 7/4/2011 1:05 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Please look in the cellar. Go into the cellar, bring a
flashlight, and look up. If it looks like this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-and-tubes.jpg
it's the old, dangeous stuff. If so, please call three or
four electricians to submit estimates for upgrading to the
newer, safer wiring.


OK, how'd you get that picture of Bob Haller's basement???

On Jul 4, 1:17*pm, RBM wrote:
On 7/4/2011 1:05 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Please look in the cellar. Go into the cellar, bring a
flashlight, and look up. If it looks like this:
* *http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-and-tubes.jpg
it's the old, dangeous stuff. If so, please call three or
four electricians to submit estimates for upgrading to the
newer, safer wiring.

OK, how'd you get that picture of Bob Haller's basement???

funny.......

the photo shows a white wire attached to the K&T and taped up.

Thisa is not a original K&T splice.

Its time to upgrade....

On 7/4/2011 1:24 PM, bob haller wrote:
On Jul 4, 1:17 pm, wrote:
On 7/4/2011 1:05 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Please look in the cellar. Go into the cellar, bring a
flashlight, and look up. If it looks like this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-and-tubes.jpg
it's the old, dangeous stuff. If so, please call three or
four electricians to submit estimates for upgrading to the
newer, safer wiring.

OK, how'd you get that picture of Bob Haller's basement???

funny.......

the photo shows a white wire attached to the K&T and taped up.

Thisa is not a original K&T splice.

Its time to upgrade....

The picture shows a 1960's era Romex cable spliced into the K&T. It
would be advisable to remove that violation.

the photo shows a white wire attached to the K&T and taped up.

Thisa is not a original K&T splice.

Its time to upgrade....

The picture shows a 1960's era Romex cable spliced into the K&T. It
would be advisable to remove that violation

most K&T homes are filled with such violations and some may be
hidden behind walls etc in places with no way to easily inspect.

Things change over 70 to 100 years. homeowners modify things on the
cheap.

the possiblity of such issues on such a old home are great.

and exactly how would any electrician inspect wiring covered with
walls? remember splices in K&T arent in boxes......

worse K&T was designed for operation in open air. insulation shouldnt
be around K&T/

even if a homebuyer was able to get homeowners insurance given energy
costs today the buyer would likely want insulation which requires a
rewire.

nothing lasts forever K&T is obsolete just like a 1940s car. newer
cars are much safer and efficent

I work for the government, in my spare time. I have
"somewhat but not really very much" level clearance. We have
Xray satelites, but I'm not allowed to tell you that.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"RBM" wrote in message
...
On 7/4/2011 1:05 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Please look in the cellar. Go into the cellar, bring a
flashlight, and look up. If it looks like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-and-tubes.jpg
it's the old, dangeous stuff. If so, please call three or
four electricians to submit estimates for upgrading to the
newer, safer wiring.


OK, how'd you get that picture of Bob Haller's basement???

On Jul 4, 8:38*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
I work for the government, in my spare time. I have
"somewhat but not really very much" level clearance. We have
Xray satelites, but I'm not allowed to tell you that.

--
Christopher A. Young


uh oh please dont post photos of my messy basement I am embarased"( At
least give me time till I clean it up!!!!

On Jul 4, 6:05*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Please look in the cellar. Go into the cellar, bring a
flashlight, and look up. If it looks like this:
* *http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-and-tubes.jpg
it's the old, dangeous stuff. If so, please call three or
four electricians to submit estimates for upgrading to the
newer, safer wiring.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"leza wang" wrote in message

...
my home is like 70 or even more years old (not sure really).
I want to
know if i should upgrad the wiring. the electrical panel
shows i have
100 amp. I have been told if i have knob 2 wiring then i
should change
it to 3 knob wiring. My question, how can I know if i have 2
knob
wireing or 3? in the main floor, i have all power outlet
with 2 holes
(+,-) upstair I have power oullet with 3 holes (+,-, ground)
Thanks a lot.

****, that looks dangerous!!!!!!

"leza wang" wrote in message
...

my home is like 70 or even more years old (not sure really). I want to
know if i should upgrad the wiring. the electrical panel shows i have
100 amp. I have been told if i have knob 2 wiring then i should change
it to 3 knob wiring. My question, how can I know if i have 2 knob
wireing or 3? in the main floor, i have all power outlet with 2 holes
(+,-) upstair I have power oullet with 3 holes (+,-, ground)
Thanks a lot.

Call an electrician (or even several) to get your wiring inspected and get a
quote on upgrading if it's needed. Even if they charge you a few bucks for
an inspection you'll at least know what you're dealing with.

in the last 70 to 100 years how many vehicles have you purchased?

now compare that cost to new wiring........

wiring is way cheaper than a new car

On 7/9/2011 4:05 PM, bob haller wrote:
in the last 70 to 100 years how many vehicles have you purchased?

now compare that cost to new wiring........

wiring is way cheaper than a new car


How many moving, wearing parts are in an average car?
How many moving, wearing parts are in an insulated copper conductor?
Totally moronic analogy

On 7/9/2011 5:20 PM, RBM wrote:
On 7/9/2011 4:05 PM, bob haller wrote:
in the last 70 to 100 years how many vehicles have you purchased?

now compare that cost to new wiring........

wiring is way cheaper than a new car


How many moving, wearing parts are in an average car?
How many moving, wearing parts are in an insulated copper conductor?
Totally moronic analogy


Yeah, i was kind of wondering about that analogy. One is a machine that
wears out and the other is a house. Some people are still using word
perfect on dos 3.2 machines. If it still writes a letter for you.....

The guy is never gonna admit he's a dick and wrong.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On Jul 9, 6:20*pm, RBM wrote:
On 7/9/2011 4:05 PM, bob haller wrote:

in the *last 70 to 100 years how many vehicles have you purchased?

now compare that cost to new wiring........

wiring is way cheaper than a new car

How many moving, wearing parts are in an average car?
How many moving, wearing parts are in an insulated copper conductor?
Totally moronic analogy

what losses can a malfunction of a vehicle or homes electrical system
risk? both can cause accident or death

over the years both vehicles and homes electrical systems have
experienced significant safety upgrades.

the big difference between a vehicle and your home?????/

vehicles depreciate and become far less valuable over time.

homes usually increase over time and are the biggest investment most
people make in a lifetime

On 7/10/2011 12:21 AM, bob haller wrote:
On Jul 9, 6:20 pm, wrote:
On 7/9/2011 4:05 PM, bob haller wrote:

in the last 70 to 100 years how many vehicles have you purchased?

now compare that cost to new wiring........

wiring is way cheaper than a new car

How many moving, wearing parts are in an average car?
How many moving, wearing parts are in an insulated copper conductor?
Totally moronic analogy

what losses can a malfunction of a vehicle or homes electrical system
risk? both can cause accident or death

over the years both vehicles and homes electrical systems have
experienced significant safety upgrades.

the big difference between a vehicle and your home?????/

vehicles depreciate and become far less valuable over time.

homes usually increase over time and are the biggest investment most
people make in a lifetime

Really!

On Jul 10, 7:46*am, RBM wrote:
On 7/10/2011 12:21 AM, bob haller wrote:





On Jul 9, 6:20 pm, *wrote:
On 7/9/2011 4:05 PM, bob haller wrote:

in the *last 70 to 100 years how many vehicles have you purchased?

now compare that cost to new wiring........

wiring is way cheaper than a new car

How many moving, wearing parts are in an average car?
How many moving, wearing parts are in an insulated copper conductor?
Totally moronic analogy

what losses can a malfunction of a vehicle or homes electrical system
risk? both can cause accident or death

over the years both vehicles and homes electrical systems have
experienced significant safety upgrades.

the big difference between a vehicle and your home?????/

vehicles depreciate and become far less valuable over time.

homes usually increase over time and are the biggest investment most
people make in a lifetime

* * Really!-

well up till the current economic dump homes over time always went up
in value.

the crash of home values in the US is unprecendented

On Jul 10, 7:46*am, RBM wrote:
On 7/10/2011 12:21 AM, bob haller wrote:





On Jul 9, 6:20 pm, *wrote:
On 7/9/2011 4:05 PM, bob haller wrote:

in the *last 70 to 100 years how many vehicles have you purchased?

now compare that cost to new wiring........

wiring is way cheaper than a new car

How many moving, wearing parts are in an average car?
How many moving, wearing parts are in an insulated copper conductor?
Totally moronic analogy

what losses can a malfunction of a vehicle or homes electrical system
risk? both can cause accident or death

over the years both vehicles and homes electrical systems have
experienced significant safety upgrades.

the big difference between a vehicle and your home?????/

vehicles depreciate and become far less valuable over time.

homes usually increase over time and are the biggest investment most
people make in a lifetime

* * Really!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

just think this topic will be coming up again soon..... so we can do
this all over again.....