Hi,

Had to open up a hole in our Kitchen ceiling to reach some plujmbing.
Will have it re-plastered soon.

Will bring a paint sample to local Paint Store so that they can match
the ceiling color, which is an off white.
Not sure abosut what the sheen or gloss would be called.

Am hoping that with "matched" paint, I can get away with just
re-painting the patch,
rather than the complete ceiling.

Question: to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I
use a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam types
of brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If a roller, what kind of knap, etc. ?

Thanks,
Bob

Bob wrote:
Hi,

Had to open up a hole in our Kitchen ceiling to reach some plujmbing.
Will have it re-plastered soon.

Will bring a paint sample to local Paint Store so that they can match
the ceiling color, which is an off white.
Not sure abosut what the sheen or gloss would be called.

Am hoping that with "matched" paint, I can get away with just
re-painting the patch,
rather than the complete ceiling.

Question: to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I
use a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam
types of brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If a roller, what kind of knap, etc. ?

Thanks,
Bob

i'd use a foam roller. use a very dry roller on the edges to feather it out.

if the ceiling was painted before, ideally you'd want to use whatever was
used previously. on new construction that was sprayed, you'd probably have
to do the whole ceiling.

Nobody will notice the ceiling being off, because nobody ever looks
up.

I repainted part of a wall that was next to a window, 15 years after
the original paint job. Hung something over where the two 'colors'
met. It's still a mismatch, a foot apart, and nobody sees it.

My kitchen ceiling was patched with wallboard, I haven't plastered
yet, it's been six months, nobody's even noticed, except when I
pointed it out.

On Jun 2, 2:45*pm, Bob wrote:
Hi,

Had to open up a hole in our Kitchen ceiling to reach some plujmbing.
Will have it re-plastered soon.

Will bring a paint sample to local Paint Store so that they can match
the ceiling color, which is an off white.
Not sure abosut what the sheen or gloss would be called.

Am hoping that with "matched" paint, I can get away with just
re-painting the patch,
rather than the complete ceiling.

Question: *to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I
use a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam types
of brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If a roller, what kind of knap, etc. ?

Thanks,
Bob

gloss is shiny, flat is flat, semi-gloss is in between. Plan on at
least two coats on the patched area, maybe even more if there are a
lot of coats on the rest of the ceiling. The length of nap on the
roller will depend on the stipple on the rest of the ceiling. Longer
rollers give more of a stipple effect, short nap rollers gove a
smoother finish. If you have an actual sample of the ceiling, a
knowledgeable paint person can suggest what nap to use to come close
to matching the rest of the ceiing. Myself, I would paint the patch
and then give the entire ceiling a coat.

On Jun 2, 5:42*pm, "hr(bob) "
wrote:
On Jun 2, 2:45*pm, Bob wrote:





Hi,

Had to open up a hole in our Kitchen ceiling to reach some plujmbing.
Will have it re-plastered soon.

Will bring a paint sample to local Paint Store so that they can match
the ceiling color, which is an off white.
Not sure abosut what the sheen or gloss would be called.

Am hoping that with "matched" paint, I can get away with just
re-painting the patch,
rather than the complete ceiling.

Question: *to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I
use a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam types
of brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If a roller, what kind of knap, etc. ?

Thanks,
Bob

gloss is shiny, flat is flat, semi-gloss is in between. *Plan on at
least two coats on the patched area, maybe even more if there are a
lot of coats on the rest of the ceiling. *The length of nap on the
roller will depend on the stipple on the rest of the ceiling. *Longer
rollers give more of a stipple effect, short nap rollers gove a
smoother finish. *If you have an actual sample of the ceiling, a
knowledgeable paint person can suggest what nap to use to come close
to matching the rest of the ceiing. *Myself, I would paint the patch
and then give the entire ceiling a coat.- Hide quoted text -

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install a access panel at that location, for easy future access

On 6/2/2011 6:33 PM, bob haller wrote:
On Jun 2, 5:42 pm, "hr(bob)
wrote:
On Jun 2, 2:45 pm, wrote:





Hi,

Had to open up a hole in our Kitchen ceiling to reach some plujmbing.
Will have it re-plastered soon.

Will bring a paint sample to local Paint Store so that they can match
the ceiling color, which is an off white.
Not sure abosut what the sheen or gloss would be called.

Am hoping that with "matched" paint, I can get away with just
re-painting the patch,
rather than the complete ceiling.

Question: to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I
use a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam types
of brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If a roller, what kind of knap, etc. ?

Thanks,
Bob

gloss is shiny, flat is flat, semi-gloss is in between. Plan on at
least two coats on the patched area, maybe even more if there are a
lot of coats on the rest of the ceiling. The length of nap on the
roller will depend on the stipple on the rest of the ceiling. Longer
rollers give more of a stipple effect, short nap rollers gove a
smoother finish. If you have an actual sample of the ceiling, a
knowledgeable paint person can suggest what nap to use to come close
to matching the rest of the ceiing. Myself, I would paint the patch
and then give the entire ceiling a coat.- Hide quoted text -

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install a access panel at that location, for easy future access

Reminds me of putting in a fake air vent for same future access.

"Bob" wrote

Question: to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I use
a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam types of
brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If the paint is more that 6 months old, it is not going to match. Buy a
gallon of paint and do the job right, the entire ceiling.

On 6/2/2011 4:24 PM, chaniarts wrote:
Bob wrote:
Hi,

Had to open up a hole in our Kitchen ceiling to reach some plujmbing.
Will have it re-plastered soon.

Will bring a paint sample to local Paint Store so that they can match
the ceiling color, which is an off white.
Not sure abosut what the sheen or gloss would be called.

Am hoping that with "matched" paint, I can get away with just
re-painting the patch,
rather than the complete ceiling.

Question: to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I
use a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam
types of brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If a roller, what kind of knap, etc. ?

Thanks,
Bob

i'd use a foam roller. use a very dry roller on the edges to feather it out.

if the ceiling was painted before, ideally you'd want to use whatever was
used previously. on new construction that was sprayed, you'd probably have
to do the whole ceiling.



I second the foam roller/feathering suggestion. It is rare that the
color AND gloss will match. I'd be sure to use two coats of primer .
feathered out well...and then paint. Unless you have a huge kitchen,
you might be happier just painting the whole ceiling. If patching, I'd
also try to get a slight more gloss...can always scrub it with fine
steel wool (when well cured) to dull it if it is too glossy.

On 6/2/11 1:45 PM, Bob wrote:
Hi,

Had to open up a hole in our Kitchen ceiling to reach some plujmbing.
Will have it re-plastered soon.

Will bring a paint sample to local Paint Store so that they can match
the ceiling color, which is an off white.
Not sure abosut what the sheen or gloss would be called.

Am hoping that with "matched" paint, I can get away with just
re-painting the patch,
rather than the complete ceiling.

Question: to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I
use a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam
types of brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If a roller, what kind of knap, etc. ?

Thanks,
Bob

I recently did exactly same, patched kitchen ceiling. I cut a 2"
square from drywall paper from behind drapes. I took it to HD and had
it matched. Best part was they will do this with the $3.00 sample if
that's all you need. I used foam brush, feathering the overlap.
Matched perfect. Then glued the sample square back in place and
painted over it. Have since used the leftovers to touch up other
scratches, etc

On Jun 2, 7:37*pm, Frank wrote:
On 6/2/2011 6:33 PM, bob haller wrote:





On Jun 2, 5:42 pm, "hr(bob)
wrote:
On Jun 2, 2:45 pm, *wrote:

Hi,

Had to open up a hole in our Kitchen ceiling to reach some plujmbing.
Will have it re-plastered soon.

Will bring a paint sample to local Paint Store so that they can match
the ceiling color, which is an off white.
Not sure abosut what the sheen or gloss would be called.

Am hoping that with "matched" paint, I can get away with just
re-painting the patch,
rather than the complete ceiling.

Question: *to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I
use a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam types
of brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If a roller, what kind of knap, etc. ?

Thanks,
Bob

gloss is shiny, flat is flat, semi-gloss is in between. *Plan on at
least two coats on the patched area, maybe even more if there are a
lot of coats on the rest of the ceiling. *The length of nap on the
roller will depend on the stipple on the rest of the ceiling. *Longer
rollers give more of a stipple effect, short nap rollers gove a
smoother finish. *If you have an actual sample of the ceiling, a
knowledgeable paint person can suggest what nap to use to come close
to matching the rest of the ceiing. *Myself, I would paint the patch
and then give the entire ceiling a coat.- Hide quoted text -

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install a access panel at that location, for easy future access

Reminds me of putting in a fake air vent for same future access.- Hide quoted text -

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I did that too I like easy access for service

A friend ran a fake downspout for power cable and phone lines

On Jun 2, 12:45*pm, Bob wrote:
Hi,

Had to open up a hole in our Kitchen ceiling to reach some plujmbing.
Will have it re-plastered soon.

Will bring a paint sample to local Paint Store so that they can match
the ceiling color, which is an off white.
Not sure abosut what the sheen or gloss would be called.

Am hoping that with "matched" paint, I can get away with just
re-painting the patch,
rather than the complete ceiling.

Question: *to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I
use a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam types
of brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If a roller, what kind of knap, etc. ?

NAP
Thanks,
Bob

I've used paint that was almost a decade old and it matched (store the
can upside-down, a painter once told me- it works). With a ceiling I'd
expect it would match closely enough that nobody would notice,
especially with all the glare and shadows on a ceiling (look up right
now- does your ceiling look all one color?).

Don't agonize over this- try painting that area, and if you don't like
it you can finish painting the rest of the ceiling.

But look up first right now where you're sitting.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in
:


"Bob" wrote

Question: to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should
I use a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam
types of brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If the paint is more that 6 months old, it is not going to match. Buy
a gallon of paint and do the job right, the entire ceiling.


For the most part, no one would ever look to notice any difference.

I would do the full ceiling because *I* would be always be looking at it to
punish myself.

Patch or redo, neither is wrong for personal use vs. say painting for
resale.

You will probably end up repainting the whole ceiling. YOu can try doing
the patch only, just don't hold your breath. You said plaster. If so,
there is a lengthy cure time involved before paint. Give the area a heavy
prime coat of color and feather the edges out into the non patched
perimeter. This can be done by using a good brush and jabbing the tips of
the bristles out into non patched area until the brush no longer is leaving
paint. The patched area will probably demand at least 2 coats.


"Bob" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Had to open up a hole in our Kitchen ceiling to reach some plujmbing.
Will have it re-plastered soon.

Will bring a paint sample to local Paint Store so that they can match the
ceiling color, which is an off white.
Not sure abosut what the sheen or gloss would be called.

Am hoping that with "matched" paint, I can get away with just re-painting
the patch,
rather than the complete ceiling.

Question: to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I use
a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam types of
brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If a roller, what kind of knap, etc. ?

Thanks,
Bob

On Jun 4, 10:23*am, "DanGLT" wrote:
You will probably end up repainting the whole ceiling. *YOu can try doing
the patch only, just don't hold your breath. *You said plaster. *If so,
there is a lengthy cure time involved before paint. *Give the area a heavy
prime coat of color and feather the edges out into the non patched
perimeter. *This can be done by using a good brush and jabbing the tips of
the bristles out into non patched area until the brush no longer is leaving
paint. *The patched area will probably demand at least 2 coats.

"Bob" wrote in message

...



Hi,

Had to open up a hole in our Kitchen ceiling to reach some plujmbing.
Will have it re-plastered soon.

Will bring a paint sample to local Paint Store so that they can match the
ceiling color, which is an off white.
Not sure abosut what the sheen or gloss would be called.

Am hoping that with "matched" paint, I can get away with just re-painting
the patch,
rather than the complete ceiling.

Question: *to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I use
a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam types of
brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If a roller, what kind of knap, etc. ?

Thanks,
Bob- Hide quoted text -

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I recently did a patch and took a sample of the old paint on a piece
if removed material to the local Sherwin Williams shop. They
matched it perfectly. It's totally unnoticeable. But, I've also
had it where it was close, but still visible if you looked at it.
You can try to match it, Worse case is you waste a few bucks
and some time. Depending on where it is, how noticeable, and
how fussy you are it could work fine or you could decide you
want to paint the whole ceiling. I'd use a roller to avoid brush
marks.

"Bob" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Had to open up a hole in our Kitchen ceiling to reach some plujmbing.
Will have it re-plastered soon.

Will bring a paint sample to local Paint Store so that they can match the
ceiling color, which is an off white.
Not sure abosut what the sheen or gloss would be called.

Am hoping that with "matched" paint, I can get away with just re-painting
the patch,
rather than the complete ceiling.

Question: to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I use
a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam types of
brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If a roller, what kind of knap, etc. ?

Thanks,
Bob



0% chance of it "blending"in...Paint the whole ceiling...

On Jun 3, 10:28*am, Red Green wrote:

I would do the full ceiling because *I* would be always be looking at it to
punish myself.


When will people realize that crucifixion is not a do-it-yourself
project?

In article ,
"benick" wrote:

"Bob" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Had to open up a hole in our Kitchen ceiling to reach some plujmbing.
Will have it re-plastered soon.

Will bring a paint sample to local Paint Store so that they can match the
ceiling color, which is an off white.
Not sure abosut what the sheen or gloss would be called.

Am hoping that with "matched" paint, I can get away with just re-painting
the patch,
rather than the complete ceiling.

Question: to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I use
a decent quality brush, one of those really cheap rubber foam types of
brush, or a roller ?
Why ?

If a roller, what kind of knap, etc. ?

Thanks,
Bob



0% chance of it "blending"in...Paint the whole ceiling...

0%? It's off white. It's a ceiling. It's a kitchen ceiling. OP should
slap some paint on there with whatever kind of brush or roller he has
lying around and forget about it. Y'all talk like he's trying to restore
a damn Monet mural.

Smitty Two wrote:

In article ,
"benick" wrote:

"Bob" wrote in message
...

-snip-
Question: to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I use

-snip-

0% chance of it "blending"in...Paint the whole ceiling...

0%? It's off white. It's a ceiling. It's a kitchen ceiling. OP should
slap some paint on there with whatever kind of brush or roller he has
lying around and forget about it. Y'all talk like he's trying to restore
a damn Monet mural.

I second Benick's post. The OP asked what the chances were of
'blending it in'. It ain't gonna happen. It will look like a
patch. It adds damn little to the job to paint the whole ceiling
and be done with it.

OTOH- in my house-- I might go with Smitty's method. Then 10 years
from now, when I look up one day, I'll think-- 'What idiot just
patched that paint job?' Then I'd make a big fuss about painting
the whole ceiling.

Jim

On 6/5/2011 7:00 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
Smitty wrote:

In ,
wrote:

wrote in message
...

-snip-
Question: to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I use

-snip-

0% chance of it "blending"in...Paint the whole ceiling...

0%? It's off white. It's a ceiling. It's a kitchen ceiling. OP should
slap some paint on there with whatever kind of brush or roller he has
lying around and forget about it. Y'all talk like he's trying to restore
a damn Monet mural.

I second Benick's post. The OP asked what the chances were of
'blending it in'. It ain't gonna happen. It will look like a
patch. It adds damn little to the job to paint the whole ceiling
and be done with it.

OTOH- in my house-- I might go with Smitty's method. Then 10 years
from now, when I look up one day, I'll think-- 'What idiot just
patched that paint job?' Then I'd make a big fuss about painting
the whole ceiling.

Jim

If it is a kitchen that is actually used for real cooking (unlike mine),
there will be considerable extra work to paint the whole thing, because
you have to degrease/clean it first, to have any hope of the paint
sticking. In my (admittedly limited) experience, at least. Not like
other rooms where all you have to do is brush off the cobwebs, and maybe
clean the touch points around light switches and door frames and such.

--
aem sends...

On Jun 5, 7:49*am, aemeijers wrote:
On 6/5/2011 7:00 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:





Smitty *wrote:

In ,
*wrote:

*wrote in message
...

-snip-
Question: *to give me the best chance of blending it in well, should I use

-snip-

0% chance of it "blending"in...Paint the whole ceiling...

0%? It's off white. It's a ceiling. It's a kitchen ceiling. OP should
slap some paint on there with whatever kind of brush or roller he has
lying around and forget about it. Y'all talk like he's trying to restore
a damn Monet mural.

I second Benick's post. * *The OP asked what the chances were of
'blending it in'. * It ain't gonna happen. * *It will look like a
patch. * *It adds damn little to the job to paint the whole ceiling
and be done with it.

OTOH- in my house-- I might go with Smitty's method. * Then 10 years
from now, when I look up one day, I'll think-- 'What idiot just
patched that paint job?' * *Then I'd make a big fuss about painting
the whole ceiling.

Jim

If it is a kitchen that is actually used for real cooking (unlike mine),
there will be considerable extra work to paint the whole thing, because
you have to degrease/clean it first, to have any hope of the paint
sticking. In my (admittedly limited) experience, at least. Not like
other rooms where all you have to do is brush off the cobwebs, and maybe
clean the touch points around light switches and door frames and such.

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aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

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every paint job should begin by scrubing everything well.

otherwise the dirt present is entombed in paint and the finished job
doesnt look as good

painting is 90% prep work.

plus it forces you to empty the room and clean everything, its amazing
how dirty a home can get

"dadiOH" wrote:

bob haller wrote:

every paint job should begin by scrubing everything well.


You were never in the Navy, were you?

Note he said 'should'. g

That's one area where the Marines and squids did things the same. 'If
it's brass, polish it; if it's a floor swab it; if it's not- paint
it.'

Had a Gy-sgt who inspected with a chipping hammer. If he felt like
ruining everyone's weekend he'd chip 50 coats of paint off some pipe
in the head-- and require all the paint to be chipped off and the
brass polished.

Jim

aemeijers wrote:

On 6/5/2011 7:00 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
-snip-

I second Benick's post. The OP asked what the chances were of
'blending it in'. It ain't gonna happen. It will look like a
patch. It adds damn little to the job to paint the whole ceiling
and be done with it.

-snip-
If it is a kitchen that is actually used for real cooking (unlike mine),
there will be considerable extra work to paint the whole thing, because
you have to degrease/clean it first, to have any hope of the paint
sticking. In my (admittedly limited) experience, at least. Not like
other rooms where all you have to do is brush off the cobwebs, and maybe
clean the touch points around light switches and door frames and such.

I always mop with a bucket of ammonia/water before I paint no matter
what room I'm doing, or how old the paint is. Then I rinse it.

Takes an hour or so. Saves a couple days of headaches if something
unknown was on the paint & wouldn't allow the new paint to stick.

Jim