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Timer valve to delay toilet refill?
On Jun 1, 9:15*pm, "Robert Green" wrote:
My dad had the same problems and I am on the approach curve with moderate to severe short term memory loss that's advancing. *I read posts like this knowing that I'd better think about implementing some of them while I still can. *I see two approaches to this problem. I realize that this is a repair group, but I'd like to respond to the issue of approaching Alzheimer's you mention. I suggest that you investigate the term "low dose naltrexone", within the quote marks, with the second term as Alzheimer's. Be willing to consider the prospect of halting the advancement of the condition. After all, you have already shown that it is in your family history. Feel free to contact me privately if you have questions. But if you do the research, you should be able to get a pretty good idea of why I've made these comments. And if you are reading this with concerns about cancer, autoimmune dysfunction, alcohol or narcotics addiction, and others issues, just use the first term, with your concern as the second. You just might be surprised at what you find. |
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Timer valve to delay toilet refill?
On Jun 2, 1:30*pm, Borrall Wonnell wrote:
On Jun 1, 9:20*am, (Doug Miller) wrote: One person[*] in our household will from time to time use too much paper, clogging the toilet -- and then flush it two or three times, with the predictable result, which the rest of us are getting tired of cleaning up. Is there some sort of timer valve available, that would prevent the toilet tank from refilling for, say, fifteen or twenty minutes after a flush? [* -- this is an 87 year old with Alzheimer's; while education is obviously the most desirable solution, it equally obviously ain't gonna happen] One member of our household struggles with a similar clogging problem. *Happy to say that it has nothing to do with Alzheimer's, age, or the amount of TP used. *It's simply a volume issue. An anti-clogging toilet is a good option, requires no additional training on the part of the user. *Won't work 100% but definitely lessens the chances of a problem. The bulletproof fix (even for most regular toilets) is FEFO - "flush early, flush often". *This defeats the intent of modern low-flow toilets but I can tell you it's far preferable to the alternative mess. *For the OP, this wouldn't work well (Alzheimer's). Having said that, bolt-on (retrofit) automatic flushers are available. *We had a bunch installed at work recently. *The premise is simple...detect when a person is present and flush at the appropriate time (when the person leaves). *I wonder if you could get one that flushed intermittently when the person is actually sitting down...FEFO. *Might be worth looking into, if a little startling for the user! Metamucil to deal with the "volume" issue. Leading to more frequent evacuations. Need good hydration. |
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On Jun 4, 7:14*am, Michael B wrote:
On Jun 1, 9:15*pm, "Robert Green" wrote: My dad had the same problems and I am on the approach curve with moderate to severe short term memory loss that's advancing. *I read posts like this knowing that I'd better think about implementing some of them while I still can. *I see two approaches to this problem. I realize that this is a repair group, but I'd like to respond to the issue of approaching Alzheimer's you mention. I suggest that you investigate the term "low dose naltrexone", within the quote marks, with the second term as Alzheimer's. Be willing to consider the prospect of halting the advancement of the condition. After all, you have already shown that it is in your family history. Feel free to contact me privately if you have questions. But if you do the research, you should be able to get a pretty good idea of why I've made these comments. And if you are reading this with concerns about cancer, autoimmune dysfunction, alcohol or narcotics addiction, and others issues, just use the first term, with your concern as the second. You just might be surprised at what you find. Might as well throw in a URL as a start point. http://www.webspawner.com/users/ldnforad/index.html |
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Timer valve to delay toilet refill?
On 6/1/2011 7:20 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
One person[*] in our household will from time to time use too much paper, clogging the toilet -- and then flush it two or three times, with the predictable result, which the rest of us are getting tired of cleaning up. Is there some sort of timer valve available, that would prevent the toilet tank from refilling for, say, fifteen or twenty minutes after a flush? [* -- this is an 87 year old with Alzheimer's; while education is obviously the most desirable solution, it equally obviously ain't gonna happen] Sounds like you may be suffering from a low flow toilet that has a poor design as most did when first implemented and some do now? If that is the case you may want to replace it with one of the much better performing models that are available. |
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On Jun 4, 3:56*am, Michael B wrote:
On Jun 1, 3:35*pm, notbob wrote: On 2011-06-01, Oren wrote: On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:21:19 -0700 (PDT), Thomas Limit the amount of tp available I was thinking that. * Not a good idea, as that may create worse problems. * I'm caring for my 84 yr old Alheimers mother and she has problems thoroughly cleaning herself. *Improper cleaning can lead to irritation, inflamation, and eventually infection, physical problems far worse than an overflowing toilet. nb Time for wetwipes, to be discarded in the closed trash can nearby? ]Fahgoodnessake be sure the wet wipes are NOT the kind that clog the toilet. I used to mistakenly discarded them in the toitie, and wouldn't you know, it was just when relatives were visiting that it backed up. Talk about embarrassing!!! They kindly explained my dumb mistake, and now I keep by the toilet ONLY flushable ones like Cottonelle Fresh. An impaired individual of all people must have accessible ONLY the flushable kind! HB |
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On Jun 4, 9:54*am, George wrote:
On 6/1/2011 7:20 AM, Doug Miller wrote: One person[*] in our household will from time to time use too much paper, clogging the toilet -- and then flush it two or three times, with the predictable result, which the rest of us are getting tired of cleaning up. Is there some sort of timer valve available, that would prevent the toilet tank from refilling for, say, fifteen or twenty minutes after a flush? [* -- this is an 87 year old with Alzheimer's; while education is obviously the most desirable solution, it equally obviously ain't gonna happen] Sounds like you may be suffering from a low flow toilet that has a poor design as most did when first implemented and some do now? If that is the case you may want to replace it with one of the much better performing models that are available. Also need to watch out that nobody uses one of the chlorinated "disinfectant" tablets. If anybody isn't aware, look for "blue goo" in the Toiletology 101 series. |
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In article , George wrote:
On 6/1/2011 7:20 AM, Doug Miller wrote: One person[*] in our household will from time to time use too much paper, clogging the toilet -- and then flush it two or three times, with the predictable result, which the rest of us are getting tired of cleaning up. Is there some sort of timer valve available, that would prevent the toilet tank from refilling for, say, fifteen or twenty minutes after a flush? [* -- this is an 87 year old with Alzheimer's; while education is obviously the most desirable solution, it equally obviously ain't gonna happen] Sounds like you may be suffering from a low flow toilet that has a poor design as most did when first implemented and some do now? It's a 3.5-gallon flush. If that is the case you may want to replace it with one of the much better performing models that are available. I'm pretty sure it's user error. The same toilet has been in service for ten years, and only one person has this problem with it. |
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"SMS" wrote in message
... On 6/1/2011 12:39 PM, mike wrote: You can buy a bidet seat from Toto. No toilet paper, no problem. It does require some wiring. You might also look at getting a Toto Drake toilet while you're at it, if you don't already have a clog-resistant toilet. We have three Toto Drake toilets. All clog on a regular basis when too much paper is used. Is it too much paper or that the paper doesn't get wet enough to flush properly? Now that I think about it, all the videos I've seen of high-powered toilets were flushing golf bowls. Toilet paper flushing mechanics have to be substantially different than those of golf bowl flushing. Might even be time to consult a toilet manufacturer because I assume they know something about flushability. Might even consider a deliberately leaky toilet that opens the valve slightly when someone's sitting on it so that a steady trickle of water comes down the rim of the bowl, helping to wet down the TP that's already in there to make it more flushable. -- Bobby G. |
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Timer valve to delay toilet refill?
Doug Miller wrote the following:
One person[*] in our household will from time to time use too much paper, clogging the toilet -- and then flush it two or three times, with the predictable result, which the rest of us are getting tired of cleaning up. Is there some sort of timer valve available, that would prevent the toilet tank from refilling for, say, fifteen or twenty minutes after a flush? [* -- this is an 87 year old with Alzheimer's; while education is obviously the most desirable solution, it equally obviously ain't gonna happen] Bidet! -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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Timer valve to delay toilet refill?
In article , willshak wrote:
Doug Miller wrote the following: One person[*] in our household will from time to time use too much paper, clogging the toilet -- and then flush it two or three times, with the predictable result, which the rest of us are getting tired of cleaning up. Is there some sort of timer valve available, that would prevent the toilet tank from refilling for, say, fifteen or twenty minutes after a flush? [* -- this is an 87 year old with Alzheimer's; while education is obviously the most desirable solution, it equally obviously ain't gonna happen] Bidet! Are you serious? Honestly -- how practical do you think it is to try to teach an 87 year old with Alzheimer's to use a bidet? |
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"Doug Miller" wrote in message
... In article , willshak wrote: Doug Miller wrote the following: One person[*] in our household will from time to time use too much paper, clogging the toilet -- and then flush it two or three times, with the predictable result, which the rest of us are getting tired of cleaning up. Is there some sort of timer valve available, that would prevent the toilet tank from refilling for, say, fifteen or twenty minutes after a flush? [* -- this is an 87 year old with Alzheimer's; while education is obviously the most desirable solution, it equally obviously ain't gonna happen] Bidet! Are you serious? Honestly -- how practical do you think it is to try to teach an 87 year old with Alzheimer's to use a bidet? Or anything new. Dad was forgetting stuff at a prodigious rate. I don't know whether your relative is following the same track but little by little, things just slipped away from him but no new information was retained. I can only imagine how upset a bidet would have made him because he did seem to take comfort in the routine of things. Even if we told him about it and showed him how it worked, odds are he would have had a heart attack, a stroke or fallen off the toilet and fractured his skull when the water jet hit his butt. FWIW, I had to plunge the toilet twice since this thread began and I can only wonder what someone with severe Alzheimer's would react to a plugged toilet. It's obvious - they would just flush again thinking/hoping/??? that it would clear on the second flush. Have you "trimmed" the toilet valve yet? I hope the reduced flow solution works out for you. My dad passed before things got substantially orse. )-: It's been a pretty depressing thread (not your fault) for me, remembering the past and considering what the future holds in store. -- Bobby G. |
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