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I think that you're mistaken that I'm judging ohters.
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Evan Platt" wrote in message ... On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 18:54:05 -0500, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: Again, I think you're mistaken to judge a person by a couple sentences on a computer. And I think you're mistaken to judge everyone by what a book written hundreds - or thousands of years ago. This is a great 'article'. -- To reply via e-mail, remove The Obvious and .invalid from my e-mail address. |
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"Stormin Mormon" wrote in news:il57jo
: God has spoken several times about homosexual behaviour. It's in the scriptures for people to find. I have nothing against homosexuals, or heterosexuals, until "they" start abusing others. I get especially annoyed when those abusers are in positions of authority (clerical/religious or other). Some religious institutions still have a lot to clean up. Btw, I'm non-religious, but do have respect for others. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On 3/8/2011 7:30 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
God has spoken several times about homosexual behaviour. It's in the scriptures for people to find. This sounds like much of your opinion of gays comes out of the Bible. Is that right? Exactly which scripture has gotten you so wound up? I tend to judge people as I get to know them, not as I've read about them. So this is a new concept to me. You know, there is a place for many different kinds of people in this big world, it's what makes it interesting and creative. Jeff |
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There is an old expression that "power corrupts, and
absolute power corrupts absoloutely". I've found that people have good and bad sides. Some people use position of power to challenge others to grow, keep people safe, and and become more like Christ. Others use the power to ammuse themselves, or to satisfy thier lust, or power. As to which if any churches need cleaning up, it's tragic that any of them do. When you get enough people together in a group, eventually someone is going to be trouble. I look at how the organization deals with trouble makers, that's one of my big considerations. Does the group hide the trouble, and pretend it's not there? Hiding trouble makers, I think that's a bad decision on many levels. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Han" wrote in message ... I have nothing against homosexuals, or heterosexuals, until "they" start abusing others. I get especially annoyed when those abusers are in positions of authority (clerical/religious or other). Some religious institutions still have a lot to clean up. Btw, I'm non-religious, but do have respect for others. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On 3/8/2011 7:29 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Puzzled, as to why others are trying to assign hate to a rather gentle and concerned usenet poster. I'm thinking their best guess is mental projection. When you say bigoted things that makes you a bigot. What is so hard about that? Edith loved Archie Bunker. I love ya, but you are still a bigot. Jeff |
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You're doing what others have. I wrote a comical limerick in
reply to AHR troll, and now you think you see some kind of evil intent, on my part? Please notice that I was responding to a troll, not responding to a serious question on someone's part. That should be a BIG clue as to how serious was my writing. P.S. The troll won. Bunch of you are giving the original troll a passionate emotional response, complete with strongly worded response. Aren't you glad? Some troll poster out there is cackling with evil glee, having gotten a lot of AHR readers to post passionate responses. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Jeff Thies" wrote in message ... On 3/8/2011 7:30 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: God has spoken several times about homosexual behaviour. It's in the scriptures for people to find. This sounds like much of your opinion of gays comes out of the Bible. Is that right? Exactly which scripture has gotten you so wound up? I tend to judge people as I get to know them, not as I've read about them. So this is a new concept to me. You know, there is a place for many different kinds of people in this big world, it's what makes it interesting and creative. Jeff |
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The troll won. That's my last comment on the matter.
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On 3/8/2011 5:22 AM, Jeff Thies wrote:
On 3/8/2011 1:19 AM, Evan Platt wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 22:12:09 -0500, Jeff wrote: On 3/7/2011 6:54 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: So, you're pushing harder, to make the same point? So are you. Isn't it obvious that you've offended a number of us here. Isn't that enough to dispel this notion you have that you are understanding and tolerant. I'm offended and I don't even belong to one of the groups you hate. How do you think others feel? Opinions are like assholes - everyone has one. The issue with religious nutjobs like Stormin Moron is they shove their particular version of their religion down your throat. Sure, I guess if you read enough into it the bible says some bad things about homosexuality. But like the article I quoted, it also said you can sell your first born into slavery. Every translation I've seen of the Commandments says it is only bad to steel your neighbors slaves. That must have been great comfort in the Antebellum South. So I guess you can pick and choose what part of the bible you agree with? Or can you choose to only agree with what you like? This turn the other cheek bit always gets short shrift. Ditto with the bits on tolerance. A family friend is a lesbian. Her and her partner are Mormons. Last I checked, they still go to church. And I'm pretty confident they haven't been stoned there.So thankfully this bigot is in the minority. What has always irritated me most about some Christians is how they wash away their sins with Jesus. Many Christians say and do offensive things and not feel bad about it because the Lord has their back. Sure doesn't stop them or even slow them down. Usually bigotry washes away with life experience. Lester Maddox and George Wallace are no exceptions. Not sure why that hasn't happened with Stormin. Here is a concept for Stormin: It's more important what you do and say then what you believe. Jeff Jeff, do you have any idea who the first slaves were in America? They helped build this country and were sold in The Southern States too. The descendants of these first slaves have never demanded reparations because their ancestors gained their freedom and worked hard to make a better life for themselves and their children. The only thing they've ever demanded was to be left the hell alone. The story of the first slaves is never taught in any government school history class because it's not politically correct. Most Americans are clueless when it comes to the true history of their country. Slavery existed in The Northern States a lot longer than it lasted in The South. :-( http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html http://preview.tinyurl.com/4g9twwq http://preview.tinyurl.com/4ma5deg TDD |
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The Daring Dufas wrote:
-snip- Jeff, do you have any idea who the first slaves were in America? Indentured servants, which you are going on about, were not slaves. [for the most part] 1. Their term was limited. 2. Their children were free. 3. They got some sort of payment. 4. They [or their guardians] chose this route to the new world. Also- since that article says the first batch of servants was 1723-- there were loads of black, native american, and maybe some white folks, who were already slaves in America. They helped build this country and were sold in The Southern States too. The descendants of these first slaves have never demanded reparations because their ancestors gained their freedom and worked hard to make a better life for themselves and their children. The only thing they've ever demanded was to be left the hell alone. Could you show me an example of the descendant of an indentured servant asking to be left alone? [I am one-- so I'd love to jump on the leave me alone bandwagon' --- Alone from what?] The story of the first slaves is never taught in any government school history class because it's not politically correct. Golly! We were taught about indentured students in my High School-- a government one at that! Most Americans are clueless when it comes to the true history of their country. I'll give you that--- But as much as I love history now-- I still don't see much use in teaching it to kids. Slavery existed in The Northern States a lot longer than it lasted in The South. :-( Where, exactly. I consider TX to be south, and thought they were the last holdouts. Don't you celebrate Juneteenth? http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html This one is indentured servants- http://preview.tinyurl.com/4g9twwq Here the Rastafarians write about the Redemptioners, the poor, the indentured servants, convicts, apprentices, impressed seamen, etc. All pretty much limited term servants- whose children would be born free citizens of the new world. http://preview.tinyurl.com/4ma5deg This one goes to a Facebook link with some youtube links that are titled the Irish Slave Trade. I tried one and it didn't work-- but it looks like they are talking about the impressment or transporting of criminals to settle America. [Had to switch to Australia after 1776] Hardly 'new' news. Basic US history. None of those folks were slaves in the sense that the vast majority of African Americans were slaves. You got to be a first generation slave when a bunch of guys raided your village and took you for no reason other than to be sold. There would be no end to your enslavement- or your offspring's-- or theirs. You were chattel. All of those folks mentioned above were '1 lifetime or less' servants. Some were paid. All had children born into relative freedom. In 1776 an Englishman named Richard Serle came over with Lord Howe and kept an excellent diary of his observations of America. One of the things he noticed was; "Is no Disgrace to have been transported here, nor consequently to be the Descendants of Transports. It would be no Blot in an American Genealogy to trace an Origin, within one Generation, from Jonathan Wild or Moll Flanders. Some of the best Families in this Country can boast of no better Descent." Jim TDD |
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On 3/8/2011 8:25 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
The Daring wrote: -snip- Jeff, do you have any idea who the first slaves were in America? Indentured servants, which you are going on about, were not slaves. [for the most part] 1. Their term was limited. 2. Their children were free. 3. They got some sort of payment. 4. They [or their guardians] chose this route to the new world. Also- since that article says the first batch of servants was 1723-- there were loads of black, native american, and maybe some white folks, who were already slaves in America. They helped build this country and were sold in The Southern States too. The descendants of these first slaves have never demanded reparations because their ancestors gained their freedom and worked hard to make a better life for themselves and their children. The only thing they've ever demanded was to be left the hell alone. Could you show me an example of the descendant of an indentured servant asking to be left alone? [I am one-- so I'd love to jump on the leave me alone bandwagon' --- Alone from what?] The story of the first slaves is never taught in any government school history class because it's not politically correct. Golly! We were taught about indentured students in my High School-- a government one at that! Most Americans are clueless when it comes to the true history of their country. I'll give you that--- But as much as I love history now-- I still don't see much use in teaching it to kids. Slavery existed in The Northern States a lot longer than it lasted in The South. :-( Where, exactly. I consider TX to be south, and thought they were the last holdouts. Don't you celebrate Juneteenth? http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html This one is indentured servants- http://preview.tinyurl.com/4g9twwq Here the Rastafarians write about the Redemptioners, the poor, the indentured servants, convicts, apprentices, impressed seamen, etc. All pretty much limited term servants- whose children would be born free citizens of the new world. http://preview.tinyurl.com/4ma5deg This one goes to a Facebook link with some youtube links that are titled the Irish Slave Trade. I tried one and it didn't work-- but it looks like they are talking about the impressment or transporting of criminals to settle America. [Had to switch to Australia after 1776] Hardly 'new' news. Basic US history. None of those folks were slaves in the sense that the vast majority of African Americans were slaves. You got to be a first generation slave when a bunch of guys raided your village and took you for no reason other than to be sold. There would be no end to your enslavement- or your offspring's-- or theirs. You were chattel. All of those folks mentioned above were '1 lifetime or less' servants. Some were paid. All had children born into relative freedom. In 1776 an Englishman named Richard Serle came over with Lord Howe and kept an excellent diary of his observations of America. One of the things he noticed was; "Is no Disgrace to have been transported here, nor consequently to be the Descendants of Transports. It would be no Blot in an American Genealogy to trace an Origin, within one Generation, from Jonathan Wild or Moll Flanders. Some of the best Families in this Country can boast of no better Descent." Jim I'm afraid you'd better educate yourself, you got the entire first part wrong up there. The indentured servitude story is a scam, some white children were born into slavery for life. Look up the author Michael A. Hoffman II and read his research and look for videos and interviews. There are other works that expose the revisionist history about white slavery but unless you are willing to grok them, no one change your mind. Besides, your name isn't Jeff. ^_^ TDD |
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Gay sex, straight sex, I don't give a **** what adults do in the privacy of their own home...and neither should nosy little church people. Actually churches are big business! If the "flock" grows, then the business grows... So having lots of kids is encouraged (future church members). And being gay, using birth control, or having an abortion is contrary to churches growing in size... If you want a bit of insight into what many preachers are like when not in church, read the book "Have Mercy!: Confessions of the Original Rock 'N' Roll Animal" by Wolfman Jack He was a radio station D.J. way back when and tells stories of preachers who advertised on his radio station. Or visit the Vatican in Rome. Look in the little shops and booths nearby where they are selling trinkets. You will see rosaries for sale. Some are blessed by someone lower down in the church and sell for less money. Others are blessed by someone higher up and sell for more money. If what they say is true, then a rosary blessed by your local priest would work just as good as one blessed by the Pope himself! And the $31 million 28 story Mormon church office building. How do churches pay for things like this? http://www.ask.com/wiki/LDS_Church_O...ding?qsrc=3044 |
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On 3/8/2011 7:58 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
You're doing what others have. I wrote a comical limerick in reply to AHR troll, and now you think you see some kind of evil intent, on my part? Please notice that I was responding to a troll, not responding to a serious question on someone's part. That should be a BIG clue as to how serious was my writing. Did you forget the last line?: It don't rhyme, but it's about time. Death to faggots! That's what PV objected to and you defended. I find that indefensible and called you a bigot for saying that. Which is not out of context measured against past remarks you've made. I have nothing against you, but I will call you out each time you cross the line and defend yourself by saying what a good person you are. How others perceive yourself is at least as important as how you think of yourself. Jeff P.S. The troll won. Bunch of you are giving the original troll a passionate emotional response, complete with strongly worded response. Aren't you glad? Some troll poster out there is cackling with evil glee, having gotten a lot of AHR readers to post passionate responses. |
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-snip- I'm afraid you'd better educate yourself, you got the entire first part wrong up there. The indentured servitude story is a scam, some white children were born into slavery for life. Look up the author Michael A. Hoffman II and read his research and look for videos and interviews. Thanks- but this is plenty for me- [both about and by Hoffman] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_A._Hoffman_II Jim |
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On 3/8/2011 11:10 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
The Daring wrote: -snip- I'm afraid you'd better educate yourself, you got the entire first part wrong up there. The indentured servitude story is a scam, some white children were born into slavery for life. Look up the author Michael A. Hoffman II and read his research and look for videos and interviews. Thanks- but this is plenty for me- [both about and by Hoffman] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_A._Hoffman_II Jim Ya missed the part at the top of the page: "The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (October 2009)" Hoffman is not the only source on White slavery, I look at a lot of sources in order to filter out the male bovine droppings. I would like to get Hoffman's book on White slavery or just a copy of the bibliography for the book which I understand is quite extensive. You should know that Wikipedia is not always the gospel truth, sort of like a government school history book. ^_^ P.S. You're still not Jeff. ROTFL TDD |
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:55:00 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: There is an old expression that "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absoloutely". BTW, Lord Acton's quote is "power TENDS to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". I've found that people have good and bad sides. Some people use position of power to challenge others to grow, keep people safe, and and become more like Christ. Others use the power to ammuse themselves, or to satisfy thier lust, or power. As to which if any churches need cleaning up, it's tragic that any of them do. When you get enough people together in a group, eventually someone is going to be trouble. I look at how the organization deals with trouble makers, that's one of my big considerations. Does the group hide the trouble, and pretend it's not there? Hiding trouble makers, I think that's a bad decision on many levels. As long as churches don't have absolute power over anyone... |
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Call A Baptist Pastor Immediately If You've Experienced The Following
Secret Homo Handshake http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0101/shake.html - Pastor Brother Harry Hardwick |
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In , Stormin Mormon wrote:
God has spoken several times about homosexual behaviour. It's in the scriptures for people to find. SNIP from here But who wrote the scriptures? Not God, but men. However, what did God (or 1/3 of God) say about homosexuality and homosexual activity when He was on this planet in male human form? According to all popular versions of the Bible having 4 Gospels, as far back as when the latest was in Greek, absolutely nothing! Most elsewhere in the New Testament was written by Paul, famously anti-sex, known to say that sexual activity ("in my words") is only good-after-all because it results in production of virgins! As for the bit in Romans - surely looks like advice for people to keep to their true sexual orientations. As for elsewhere in the New Testamant, for example I Corinthians 6:9-10: Where most modern versions say "homosexuals and sodomites", the famously anti-homosexual (arguably closet homo) King James says, "effeminate and abusers of themselves with mankind". What was said there back when it was said in Greek were "malakoi" and "arsenokoitai". "Malakoi" were a very specific small group, femininely dressed young, often teenage, male prostitutes. The more literal translation of "malakoi" is "the soft ones". "Arsenokoitai" is obviously a compound word of a Greek word for male and the Greek word that "coitus" was derived from. There was a time that Greek scholars found "common usage" of that compound word to be so low as to "leave for argument", mostly in favor of meaning "men who sleep around", as in a "male version of slut". (As opposed to "those who go to bed with men" - which would include most women and every woman "consumating" a marriage to a man.) Then-arguably invented by Paul The Apostle so that not only women can be referred to as "sluts". More recently, a few bits of some "common usage" were dug up, with translation to "men who are customers of prostitutes". -- - Don Klipstein ) |
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In article , Stormin Mormon wrote:
The apostle Timothy did mention Bishops. The title Bishop is used by the LDS / Mormon church. I think also by the Catholics, and possibly by a few other churches. In immediate response, to post-interleaved, I would like to mention that bishops are inventions of "organized religion". The Roman Catholic church has those. I seem to think that Eastern Orthodox has bishops, but gives them a little less power and gives church hierarchy a lot less power than the breakaway Church of Rome does. However, bishops persisted into Protestant denominations, for example the Methodists, specifically the "United Methodists" of USA. I have yet to hear the Bible promoting Christian churches being organized to extent of having government structure including bishops. -- - Don Klipstein ) I edit for line count from here "I, Don, wrote in In , "Stormie" top-posted: (edited-slightly-4-space) The church people don't much care, but God does. That's why God gave us commandments, prophets, Bishops, etc. Bishops surely appear to me to be prmomotions by humans rather than God. Does any version of the Bible overtly favor existence of bishops or even any church structure so oprganized as to even have bishops? SNIP from here to keep to point of church organization with bishops |
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In , Stormin Mormon wrote:
You're doing what others have. I wrote a comical limerick in reply to AHR troll, and now you think you see some kind of evil intent, on my part? Please notice that I was responding to a troll, not responding to a serious question on someone's part. That should be a BIG clue as to how serious was my writing. SNIP from here to edit for line count Many here see that you are willing in this thread to both repeat and support negativity to a specific demographic group of people. Are you willing to overtly sufficiently repudiate such a negative stance to that demographic group? -- - Don Klipstein ) |
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On 3/8/2011 9:17 PM, Don Klipstein wrote:
In , Stormin Mormon wrote: The apostle Timothy did mention Bishops. The title Bishop is used by the LDS / Mormon church. I think also by the Catholics, and possibly by a few other churches. In immediate response, to post-interleaved, I would like to mention that bishops are inventions of "organized religion". The Roman Catholic church has those. I seem to think that Eastern Orthodox has bishops, but gives them a little less power and gives church hierarchy a lot less power than the breakaway Church of Rome does. However, bishops persisted into Protestant denominations, for example the Methodists, specifically the "United Methodists" of USA. I have yet to hear the Bible promoting Christian churches being organized to extent of having government structure including bishops. Somebody refresh my memory- aren't a lot of the org structures and hierarchies of the various flavors of Christianity that flowed from Rome, based on the Imperial Roman practices of the time? I know that for hundreds of years, the line between Church and State was extremely fuzzy in that part of the world, and people with power tend to do things the same way no matter who they work for. -- aem sends... |
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On 3/8/2011 7:50 PM, Don Klipstein wrote:
, Stormin Mormon wrote: snip What was said there back when it was said in Greek were "malakoi" and "arsenokoitai". "Malakoi" were a very specific small group, femininely dressed young, often teenage, male prostitutes. The more literal translation of "malakoi" is "the soft ones". Although Stormin has moved on, for lack of being able to argue facts, I am fascinated. A little more reading has shown that there were many words of that time period that referred to homosexuals in general, and they were *not* Malakoi and Arsenokoitai. Those referred to specific behaviors. http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.or...o_fairies.html There are hundreds of Greek writings from this period that refer to homosexual activity using terms other than arsenokoitai. (See note 8.) If Paul had intended to refer generally to homosexual sex, or to one of the partners in gay-male sex, he had other commonly-used, well-known words at his disposal. He wouldn’t have had to resort to this ambiguous compound word, which future generations would find difficult to translate. Apparently Paul was trying to refer to some more obscure type of behavior. So, to bring the ancient to modern relevance, I am able to take this away from it. On my next sex vacation to Thailand, don't get taken in by the Malikoi, or as they would be called now "LadyBoys". Jeff |
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That's a common thing for people to say when they are
feeling the rebuke of God, and have something to hide. Are you feeling guilt for some reason? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Don Klipstein" wrote in message ... In , Stormin Mormon wrote: God has spoken several times about homosexual behaviour. It's in the scriptures for people to find. SNIP from here But who wrote the scriptures? Not God, but men. |
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On 3/9/2011 9:14 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
That's a common thing for people to say when they are feeling the rebuke of God, and have something to hide. Are you feeling guilt for some reason? Which Bible are you reading? They are all translations, if not translations of translations. Men, not God did the translations. And why do you feel no remorse? Obviously you feel offended by the words I've written, and yet you think no one should feel offended by what you write. It has a distinct air of sanctimonious, does it not? Jeff |
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Yes, the troll won, on this one. You sure are emotional.
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Jeff Thies" wrote in message ... On 3/9/2011 9:14 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: That's a common thing for people to say when they are feeling the rebuke of God, and have something to hide. Are you feeling guilt for some reason? Which Bible are you reading? They are all translations, if not translations of translations. Men, not God did the translations. And why do you feel no remorse? Obviously you feel offended by the words I've written, and yet you think no one should feel offended by what you write. It has a distinct air of sanctimonious, does it not? Jeff |
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On 3/9/2011 10:39 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Yes, the troll won, on this one. You sure are emotional. That is just a cop out. You never cared about the troll or any troll until you wanted to escape reasoned arguments. You've kicked in more than the usual share of OT, most of it along moral lines. Jeff |
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