Well, here's a little update.

After 36 hours of sitting without power, the fridge would not start,
the compressor motor buzzes and shuts off in 20 seconds or so.

So, presumptively, the compressor is seized. I want to know how much
would it cost to replace it, by a fridge repair professional of
course.

Thanks

i

"Ignoramus30441" wrote in message
...
Well, here's a little update.

After 36 hours of sitting without power, the fridge would not start,
the compressor motor buzzes and shuts off in 20 seconds or so.

So, presumptively, the compressor is seized. I want to know how much
would it cost to replace it, by a fridge repair professional of
course.

Thanks

i

Iggy, if you have ever listened to my advice, take this one:

Toss it and get another, either used or new. You can get a used one for
what the compressor will cost, and all the system is as old as the
compressor, and next month it will be a coil, or a whizzit that might fry
your new compressor. They only have 30-90 day warranties (replace, but you
pay labor , translated, HOW MUCH YOU GOT) You'll get a better deal on the
new one.

I went through what you went through three times. I would NEVER EVER have a
refrigerator rebuilt. Others have had different experiences, I'm just
telling you what I would do at MY house in the same circumstances. Once the
word "compressor" comes into the conversation, it changes everything, like
"pregnant" or "STD". Cut your losses, get another, and use all this time
doing you are now wasting doing something constructive. If you had done
this three days ago, this would almost be a memory right now.

Guys who do appliance repair are either talented individuals who understand
complex systems with lots of controls, or are the ones who couldn't make it
in HVAC school. And to fail HVAC school is comparable to failing a
urinalysis. They're both that easy.

Steve

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Learn how to care for a friend.
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On 2010-09-23, Steve B wrote:

"Ignoramus30441" wrote in message
...
Well, here's a little update.

After 36 hours of sitting without power, the fridge would not start,
the compressor motor buzzes and shuts off in 20 seconds or so.

So, presumptively, the compressor is seized. I want to know how much
would it cost to replace it, by a fridge repair professional of
course.

Thanks

i

Iggy, if you have ever listened to my advice, take this one:

Toss it and get another, either used or new. You can get a used one for
what the compressor will cost, and all the system is as old as the
compressor, and next month it will be a coil, or a whizzit that might fry
your new compressor. They only have 30-90 day warranties (replace, but you
pay labor , translated, HOW MUCH YOU GOT) You'll get a better deal on the
new one.

I went through what you went through three times. I would NEVER EVER have a
refrigerator rebuilt. Others have had different experiences, I'm just
telling you what I would do at MY house in the same circumstances. Once the
word "compressor" comes into the conversation, it changes everything, like
"pregnant" or "STD". Cut your losses, get another, and use all this time
doing you are now wasting doing something constructive. If you had done
this three days ago, this would almost be a memory right now.

I like your examples of "changes everything" words.

I think that I will do what you say, I will get a new fridge.

Guys who do appliance repair are either talented individuals who understand
complex systems with lots of controls, or are the ones who couldn't make it
in HVAC school. And to fail HVAC school is comparable to failing a
urinalysis. They're both that easy.

both may have the same udnerlying reason too.

i

Ignoramus30441 wrote:
..

I think that I will do what you say, I will get a new fridge.

The new ones are significantly more energy efficient, also.

On Sep 23, 10:29*am, Ignoramus30441 ignoramus30...@NOSPAM.
30441.invalid wrote:
Well, here's a little update.

After 36 hours of sitting without power, the fridge would not start,
the compressor motor buzzes and shuts off in 20 seconds or so.

So, presumptively, the compressor is seized. I want to know how much
would it cost to replace it, by a fridge repair professional of
course.

Thanks

i

If you do decide to toss it (as you will undoubtedly be advised by
many in this group), first salvage some of the good stuff like the new
parts you put in and, most importantly, the magnets in the door
gaskets. Just slice 'em out with a razor blade. They're incredibly
handy.

On 2010-09-23, rangerssuck wrote:
On Sep 23, 10:29?am, Ignoramus30441 ignoramus30...@NOSPAM.
30441.invalid wrote:
Well, here's a little update.

After 36 hours of sitting without power, the fridge would not start,
the compressor motor buzzes and shuts off in 20 seconds or so.

So, presumptively, the compressor is seized. I want to know how much
would it cost to replace it, by a fridge repair professional of
course.

Thanks

i

If you do decide to toss it (as you will undoubtedly be advised by
many in this group), first salvage some of the good stuff like the new
parts you put in and, most importantly, the magnets in the door
gaskets. Just slice 'em out with a razor blade. They're incredibly
handy.

There is nothing useful in this fridge, even the shelves are glass
instead of wire.

i

"Ignoramus30441" wrote

There is nothing useful in this fridge, even the shelves are glass
instead of wire.

i

I have heard of MinnesOHtans making fish smokers out of them. They use a
tiny tiny fire, and IIRC, all the magic happens at 140 degrees or less.

Steve

On 2010-09-23, Steve B wrote:

"Ignoramus30441" wrote

There is nothing useful in this fridge, even the shelves are glass
instead of wire.

i

I have heard of MinnesOHtans making fish smokers out of them. They use a
tiny tiny fire, and IIRC, all the magic happens at 140 degrees or less.

I have a smoker built into my grill, it works not so badly.

i

On Sep 23, 9:29*am, Ignoramus30441 ignoramus30...@NOSPAM.
30441.invalid wrote:
Well, here's a little update.

After 36 hours of sitting without power, the fridge would not start,
the compressor motor buzzes and shuts off in 20 seconds or so.

So, presumptively, the compressor is seized. I want to know how much
would it cost to replace it, by a fridge repair professional of
course.

Thanks

i

The patient is dying, the horse is about dead, quit wasting time on
it. Tomorrow at 8am you can get 30% off friges and apliances in
illinois, 15% from gov and 15% from places like sears and best buy,
are you that ignorant that you could pass up that deal, mr ignoramus.

Ignoramus30441 wrote:
Well, here's a little update.

After 36 hours of sitting without power, the fridge would not start,
the compressor motor buzzes and shuts off in 20 seconds or so.

So, presumptively, the compressor is seized. I want to know how much
would it cost to replace it, by a fridge repair professional of
course.

Thanks

i


IF you want to start that compressor if it will ever start shock it with
three phase 220 without any caps connected. Its sorta like using a
defibrillator for compressors.

Best advice is to get a new refrigerator.


John

On 2010-09-23, john wrote:
Ignoramus30441 wrote:
Well, here's a little update.

After 36 hours of sitting without power, the fridge would not start,
the compressor motor buzzes and shuts off in 20 seconds or so.

So, presumptively, the compressor is seized. I want to know how much
would it cost to replace it, by a fridge repair professional of
course.

Thanks

i


IF you want to start that compressor if it will ever start shock it with
three phase 220 without any caps connected. Its sorta like using a
defibrillator for compressors.

Best advice is to get a new refrigerator.

John, sounds fun for sure. And I have three phase handy at my garage.

This is a 120v compressor though, what would happen due to voltage
being twice over what it needs?

i

"Ignoramus30441" wrote in message
...
On 2010-09-23, john wrote:
Ignoramus30441 wrote:
Well, here's a little update.

After 36 hours of sitting without power, the fridge would not start,
the compressor motor buzzes and shuts off in 20 seconds or so.

So, presumptively, the compressor is seized. I want to know how much
would it cost to replace it, by a fridge repair professional of
course.

Thanks

i


IF you want to start that compressor if it will ever start shock it with
three phase 220 without any caps connected. Its sorta like using a
defibrillator for compressors.

Best advice is to get a new refrigerator.

John, sounds fun for sure. And I have three phase handy at my garage.

This is a 120v compressor though, what would happen due to voltage
being twice over what it needs?

i

It will work.
Or it won't.
And not for sure for how long.

Steve

Ignoramus30441 wrote:
On 2010-09-23, wrote:
Ignoramus30441 wrote:
Well, here's a little update.

After 36 hours of sitting without power, the fridge would not start,
the compressor motor buzzes and shuts off in 20 seconds or so.

So, presumptively, the compressor is seized. I want to know how much
would it cost to replace it, by a fridge repair professional of
course.

Thanks

i


IF you want to start that compressor if it will ever start shock it with
three phase 220 without any caps connected. Its sorta like using a
defibrillator for compressors.

Best advice is to get a new refrigerator.

John, sounds fun for sure. And I have three phase handy at my garage.

This is a 120v compressor though, what would happen due to voltage
being twice over what it needs?

i


It will either kill it or break the rotor free but it's toast anyway,
you will just turn it into burnt toast. Don't leave the power on for
more than a couple of seconds until it breaks loose and starts running,
then turn it off. The windings can take the 220 for a short while until
they overheat.

John

I've done that. I call it the "volt jolt".

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"john" wrote in message
...


IF you want to start that compressor if it will ever start shock it
with
three phase 220 without any caps connected. Its sorta like using a
defibrillator for compressors.

Best advice is to get a new refrigerator.


John

Apx. 4 hours of labor and material
how much it will cost depend on you area
$500.00 labor compr.,filter drier, and refrigerant another $500.00 plus tax
you figure it out!
Is it better to purchase new one definitely.
However don't expect for some one to come and
trouble shoot it for you for nothing, in most cases flat fee will apply.


"Ignoramus30441" wrote in message
...
Well, here's a little update.

After 36 hours of sitting without power, the fridge would not start,
the compressor motor buzzes and shuts off in 20 seconds or so.

So, presumptively, the compressor is seized. I want to know how much
would it cost to replace it, by a fridge repair professional of
course.

Thanks

i

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and refrigerant another $500.00 plus tax

Grump... are you telling me you'd charge $500.00 for ten ounces of
refrigerant? Oh, you ARE an HVAC repairman!

LLoyd

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
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and refrigerant another $500.00 plus tax

Grump... are you telling me you'd charge $500.00 for ten ounces of
refrigerant? Oh, you ARE an HVAC repairman!

LLoyd

I guess you couldn't figure it out.... here, try again....

$500.00 labor,
compr.,filter drier, and refrigerant another $500.00 plus tax

Don't forget the charging access ports, gages, micron gage, clamp on
thermister and digital meter, torch, nitrogen, silfos, start kit, vacuum
pump, and hazwaste disposal of the old refrigerant. Then there is the truck
to get it all there with its associated costs and expenses, and of course
the advertising that got you to call in the first place. Oh, and the
paperwork.... no job is done till the paperwork is done. when its all said
and done, the tech will have around $50 - $75 in his pocket for 4 - 5 hours
of on site work, an hour or so of windshield time to and from the job site,
an hour or so to the supply house to pick up the compressor, and parts, and
another 45 minutes or so for paperwork.

That $1,000 just doesn't go very far, does it....

On 9/24/2010 9:45 PM, Steve wrote:
"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...
fired this volley in news:i7j3uc$muc$1
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and refrigerant another $500.00 plus tax

Grump... are you telling me you'd charge $500.00 for ten ounces of
refrigerant? Oh, you ARE an HVAC repairman!

LLoyd

I guess you couldn't figure it out.... here, try again....

$500.00 labor,
compr.,filter drier, and refrigerant another $500.00 plus tax

Don't forget the charging access ports, gages, micron gage, clamp on
thermister and digital meter, torch, nitrogen, silfos, start kit, vacuum
pump, and hazwaste disposal of the old refrigerant. Then there is the truck
to get it all there with its associated costs and expenses, and of course
the advertising that got you to call in the first place. Oh, and the
paperwork.... no job is done till the paperwork is done. when its all said
and done, the tech will have around $50 - $75 in his pocket for 4 - 5 hours
of on site work, an hour or so of windshield time to and from the job site,
an hour or so to the supply house to pick up the compressor, and parts, and
another 45 minutes or so for paperwork.

That $1,000 just doesn't go very far, does it....


It's hard to explain to people why a service costs so much when they pay
a lawyer $150.00 for two sheets of paper without question. "What?!
$150.00 !?? That paper only costs 4 cents!! What the hell?!!"

TDD

"Steve" fired this volley in news:i7jnnt$fns$1
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I guess you couldn't figure it out.... here, try again....

I figured out out just fine, Steve.

He tallied up the other work at $500, then said he'd charge another 500
just for the refrigerant.

I had a compressor replaced on a 5-ton AC for a total job cost of $700.00
(and it happened to be under warantee, so we only paid about $300 of
that).

The R-22, labor, windshield time, the gauges, the micron gauge, the
vacuum pump (all of which I own, too) were ALL in that $300.00.

LLoyd

Especially since most refrig take about 6 ounces.

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"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...
"Grumpy" fired this volley in news:i7j3uc$muc$1
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and refrigerant another $500.00 plus tax

Grump... are you telling me you'd charge $500.00 for ten ounces of
refrigerant? Oh, you ARE an HVAC repairman!

LLoyd

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...
"Grumpy" fired this volley in news:i7j3uc$muc$1
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and refrigerant another $500.00 plus tax

Grump... are you telling me you'd charge $500.00 for ten ounces of
refrigerant? Oh, you ARE an HVAC repairman!

LLoyd

NO I charge minimum 3 hours plus 0.80 per mile plus tolls
if I need to go back and 4 hour if I don't need to go back
All new customer $110/ H, all old customer $105/H
At present all customers $0.80 /mile

Refrigerant is charge as fallow:
R-12, 1/2lb. $33.40
R-404 1/2lb. $9.40
R-410 1/2lb. $11.20
R-503 1/2lb. $187.65
R-508 1/2lb. $80.00

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NO I charge minimum 3 hours plus 0.80 per mile plus tolls
if I need to go back and 4 hour if I don't need to go back

So, you're saying if you screw up, or you can't fix it on the first call,
you charge more?

That's certainly in keeping with the "j.m" types I am familiar with.

In my business, if we screw up, we eat the sale, and replace the goods at
no charge.



LLoyd

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote:

"Grumpy" fired this volley in news:i7oa08$qa8$1
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NO I charge minimum 3 hours plus 0.80 per mile plus tolls
if I need to go back and 4 hour if I don't need to go back

So, you're saying if you screw up, or you can't fix it on the first call,
you charge more?

That's certainly in keeping with the "j.m" types I am familiar with.

In my business, if we screw up, we eat the sale, and replace the goods at
no charge.


The same as when I was in the industrail electronics repair
business. If our tech missed a problem, all the customer paid for was
any additional parts. Id didn't make a lot of difference, since the
callback rate was under 1%.


--
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enough left over to pay them.

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:13:25 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

"Grumpy" fired this volley in news:i7oa08$qa8$1
:

NO I charge minimum 3 hours plus 0.80 per mile plus tolls
if I need to go back and 4 hour if I don't need to go back

So, you're saying if you screw up, or you can't fix it on the first call,
you charge more?

That's certainly in keeping with the "j.m" types I am familiar with.

In my business, if we screw up, we eat the sale, and replace the goods at
no charge.



LLoyd


Ayup..same as in the machine tool repair business. Thank Crom Ive not
had to eat tooo many such jobs.

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
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"Grumpy" fired this volley in news:i7oa08$qa8$1
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NO I charge minimum 3 hours plus 0.80 per mile plus tolls
if I need to go back and 4 hour if I don't need to go back

So, you're saying if you screw up, or you can't fix it on the first call,
you charge more?

You can interpret any way you like but that is not what I said!
What I siad and meant is or was
If I have all material that is require and I was able to complete the work
charge is minimum 4 hours!
If I don't have all material require and I need to go back then
first trip would be 3 hours and second trip will be also min. 3 hours
unless it takes longer! Do you understand now!
I know that my english is not perfect but perhaps I should drow you a
picture?



That's certainly in keeping with the "j.m" types I am familiar with.

In my business, if we screw up, we eat the sale, and replace the goods at
no charge.



LLoyd

There is likely a reset button on the unit.
See if you can find one.

I had something like that with ours. Red was the color.

I think it knocks out the starting winding - the high current ones -

One should have the icebox plugged in to heat the oil for hours before
kicking it off. Mostly that is when the oil is not down in the motor.
(moving it...).


Martin

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On 9/23/2010 9:29 AM, Ignoramus30441 wrote:
Well, here's a little update.

After 36 hours of sitting without power, the fridge would not start,
the compressor motor buzzes and shuts off in 20 seconds or so.

So, presumptively, the compressor is seized. I want to know how much
would it cost to replace it, by a fridge repair professional of
course.

Thanks

i

"Martin H. Eastburn" fired this volley in
news
One should have the icebox plugged in to heat the oil for hours before
kicking it off. Mostly that is when the oil is not down in the motor.
(moving it...).


Ordinary residential refrigerators do NOT have compressor crankcase
heaters!

LLoyd

Last couple compressors I changed, ran $300 to $400.

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"A. Baum" wrote in message
news On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:29:16 -0500, Ignoramus30441 wrote:

Well, here's a little update.

After 36 hours of sitting without power, the fridge would not start,
the
compressor motor buzzes and shuts off in 20 seconds or so.

So, presumptively, the compressor is seized. I want to know how much
would it cost to replace it, by a fridge repair professional of
course.

Thanks

i

I would probably charge you $1000. no tax.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Last couple compressors I changed, ran $300 to $400.

I can't help it if you don't charge enough.

That's the alt havoc advice I know and love.

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"Steve" wrote in message
...

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Last couple compressors I changed, ran $300 to $400.

I can't help it if you don't charge enough.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Last couple compressors I changed, ran $300 to $400.

You're not supposed to count work done for wives, relatives, or concubines.
Were they dorm fridge compressors, or 15 ton three phase?

Steve

Household full size refrigerators. Not relatives, and I've got very
few concubines, or wives. Couldn't have any fewer, actually. 1/4 plus,
or 1/3 HP. Did a 10k BTU AC compressor a couple weeks ago. I suggested
to get another whole unit from Walmart, but he aparently liked this
one.

Largest I've done has been a 2 HP for a walk in cooler.

--
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Learn more about Jesus
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"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
message
...
Last couple compressors I changed, ran $300 to $400.

You're not supposed to count work done for wives, relatives, or
concubines.
Were they dorm fridge compressors, or 15 ton three phase?

Steve

On 9/25/2010 6:58 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Household full size refrigerators. Not relatives, and I've got very
few concubines, or wives. Couldn't have any fewer, actually. 1/4 plus,
or 1/3 HP. Did a 10k BTU AC compressor a couple weeks ago. I suggested
to get another whole unit from Walmart, but he aparently liked this
one.

Largest I've done has been a 2 HP for a walk in cooler.


I think the largest freezer I ever worked on belonged to a bakery and
it was the size of a basketball court. Forklift doors and 20' high
pallet racks were in that darn thing. It was a lot of fun getting way
up in the air to work on the multiple evaporators. Believe it or not,
it's easier to work on than a little freezer, you can get to every part.

TDD