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From a prior thread, it appears that taps and dies do exist for standard
USA garden hose thread; but one needs to know the exact size of the GHT which seems to be an openly held secret. Can we confirm what the typical USA garden hose thread tap and die size would be? According to research, it's NOT National Hose (NH) thread; although it's similar, it's Garden Hose Thread (GHT). The best I can find that describes GHT is this obscure Yahoo reference: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1022106AAKkLuz If that's right, the tap and die size for GHT would be: O.D. 1.0625 at 11.5 threads per inch But, does anyone truly know what GHT taps and die sizes are (and where we can get a real GHT tap and die set)? |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 05:07:34 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote:
If that's right, the tap and die size for GHT would be: O.D. 1.0625 at 11.5 threads per inch Wikipedia concurs at an outside diameter of 1.0625 inches and a pitch of 11.5 tpi ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_hose ) but rec.crafts.metalworking say it's O.D. is 1.031. and has 11.5 TPI. Early in April of 2004, the folks at rec.crafts.metalworking had some information but not enough (http://tinyurl.com/az4p9). They concluded nobody makes taps and dies for garden hose thread, I believe. "A garden hose connector has a nominal size designation of 1 inch, the actual O.D. is 1.031. and has 11.5 TPI. 1.031 is real close to the O.D. of 3/4 inch pipe (1.050) but 3/4 inch pipe is threaded at 14 TPI. 1-inch pipe has an O.D. of 1.315. and has 11.5 TPI. So it looks like straight or tapered isn't the problem, no pipe die is near the correct size." and "Hose coupling threads do not match any standard NPS or NPT thread. The pitch diameter (0.9875"-1.0060") is almost the same as 3/4"-NPS (0.9820"-0.9873"), but the 11.5 TPI pitch matches 1"-NPS, not 3/4"-NPS (14 TPI)." and "The thread spec. for garden hose fittings is ANSI/ASME B1.20.7 (see Machinery's Handbook) and the designation is NHR" 1-800-993-4353 (Field Tool Supply). Those at misc.consumers.frugal-living found a freely available tap and die set but I can't seem to find their link anymore. http://www.craftkb.com/Uwe/Forum.asp...r-hose-threads "If you mean garden hose, the proper designations a .75-11.5NH (cut, formed, or rolled) .75-11.5NHR (thin wall formed) However, I don't see how you could make these with just a tap or die, as they involve a pilot, a relief, and a different lead-in thread angle, not just threads. Google ".75-11.5NH tap die" = 0 hits." |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:23:13 -0700, Terra Arcane wrote:
However, I don't see how you could make these with just a tap or die, as they involve a pilot, a relief, and a different lead-in thread angle, not just threads. Google ".75-11.5NH tap die" = 0 hits." http://www.diy-forum.net/re-garden-h...e-t120356.html "As noted, you're probably not going to find a die or tap for a garden hose thread. The problem is, the male ends aren't cut threads anyway on anything except perhaps the brass NPT/hose adapters--they're formed. The female ends are so shallow that you would need a bottom tap and probably couldn't reach but a portion of the first thread, anyway, even if you had one." |
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![]() "Orak Listalavostok" wrote in message ... On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:23:13 -0700, Terra Arcane wrote: However, I don't see how you could make these with just a tap or die, as they involve a pilot, a relief, and a different lead-in thread angle, not just threads. Google ".75-11.5NH tap die" = 0 hits." http://www.diy-forum.net/re-garden-h...e-t120356.html snip--- the male ends aren't cut threads anyway on anything except perhaps the brass NPT/hose adapters--they're formed. Not always. There are machined brass ends available---but rarely (if ever) found on cheap hoses. I have machined brass ends on many of my hoses (I am a retired machinist---I know the difference). Harold |
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On Aug 11, 1:03*am, "Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote:
Not always. There are machined brass ends available---but rarely *(if ever) found on cheap hoses. I have machined brass ends on many of my hoses (I am a retired machinist---I know the difference). Harold Machined maybe, but not with a tap. More than likely they're either a cut on a CNC lathe or thread milled or whirled on a dedicated machine. |
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On Aug 11, 1:23*am, Terra Arcane wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 05:07:34 +0000 (UTC), Brent wrote: If that's right, the tap and die size for GHT would be: O.D. 1.0625 at 11.5 threads per inch Wikipedia concurs at an outside diameter of 1.0625 inches and a pitch of 11.5 tpi *(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_hose) but rec.crafts.metalworking say it's O.D. is 1.031. and has 11.5 TPI. Early in April of 2004, the folks at rec.crafts.metalworking had some information but not enough (http://tinyurl.com/az4p9). They concluded nobody makes taps and dies for garden hose thread, I believe. "A garden hose connector has a nominal size designation of 1 inch, the actual O.D. is 1.031. and has 11.5 TPI. * *1.031 is real close to the O.D. of 3/4 inch pipe (1.050) but 3/4 inch pipe is threaded at 14 TPI. *1-inch pipe has an O.D. of 1.315. and has 11.5 TPI. *So it looks like straight or tapered isn't the problem, no pipe die is near the correct size." and "Hose coupling threads do not match any standard NPS or NPT thread. The pitch diameter (0.9875"-1.0060") is almost the same as 3/4"-NPS (0.9820"-0.9873"), but the 11.5 TPI pitch matches 1"-NPS, not 3/4"-NPS (14 TPI)." and "The thread spec. for garden hose fittings is ANSI/ASME B1.20.7 (see Machinery's Handbook) and the designation is NHR" 1-800-993-4353 (Field Tool Supply). Those at misc.consumers.frugal-living found a freely available tap and die set but I can't seem to find their link anymore.http://www.craftkb.com/Uwe/Forum.asp...3/Tap-Die-for-... "If you mean garden hose, the proper designations a *.75-11.5NH (cut, formed, or rolled) *.75-11.5NHR (thin wall formed) However, I don't see how you could make these with just a tap or die, as they involve a pilot, a relief, and a different lead-in thread angle, not just threads. Google ".75-11.5NH tap die" = 0 hits." http://www.widell.com/popular%20spec...2004-09-01.pdf Scroll down to 3/4-11-1/2. You will see a garden hose size tap listed. Don't know about the die though. |
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Good machined solid brass are available:
http://www.tamparubber.com/product_pages/coupgard.htm Go to any hydraulic hose repair shop, they often have the fittings or make up garden hose sections from high quality air hose material. They even survive getting driven over. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DanG Keep the whole world singing . . . "Brent" wrote in message ... From a prior thread, it appears that taps and dies do exist for standard USA garden hose thread; but one needs to know the exact size of the GHT which seems to be an openly held secret. Can we confirm what the typical USA garden hose thread tap and die size would be? According to research, it's NOT National Hose (NH) thread; although it's similar, it's Garden Hose Thread (GHT). The best I can find that describes GHT is this obscure Yahoo reference: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1022106AAKkLuz If that's right, the tap and die size for GHT would be: O.D. 1.0625 at 11.5 threads per inch But, does anyone truly know what GHT taps and die sizes are (and where we can get a real GHT tap and die set)? |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:47:35 -0500, DanG wrote:
Good machined solid brass are available: http://www.tamparubber.com/product_pages/coupgard.htm What most people do to clean up a garden hose is take an old garden hose with good GHT fittings and slice a sharp channel crosswise across the threads with a triangular file. This self-tapping channel should be shallow at the beginning and as deep as you can get it near the bottom. Then they use this "thread cutter" as a thread chaser on all their garden hoses. Works both for the male and female ends of your lawn garden hose. If you can find steel garden hose repair fittings, it works even better than the sliced brass garden hose fittings to clean up the threads. |
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On Aug 12, 10:53*am, Kat Rabun katspianostudio...@Use-Author-Supplied-
Address.invalid wrote: What most people do to clean up a garden hose is take an old garden hose with good GHT fittings and slice a sharp channel crosswise across the threads with a triangular file. This self-tapping channel should be shallow at the beginning and as deep as you can get it near the bottom. No, "most people" certainly do not bother. They will either cut the hose and install a repair end, or throw the entire hose away. The garden hoses I see for sale, even the so-called "good" ones, have stamped brass ends. These are not re-threadable, or repairable in any way. They must be sliced off and replaced. |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Aug 12, 10:53 am, Kat Rabun katspianostudio...@Use-Author-Supplied- Address.invalid wrote: What most people do to clean up a garden hose is take an old garden hose with good GHT fittings and slice a sharp channel crosswise across the threads with a triangular file. This self-tapping channel should be shallow at the beginning and as deep as you can get it near the bottom. No, "most people" certainly do not bother. They will either cut the hose and install a repair end, or throw the entire hose away. The garden hoses I see for sale, even the so-called "good" ones, have stamped brass ends. These are not re-threadable, or repairable in any way. They must be sliced off and replaced. Ho-ho! You must be in another newsgroup. Here on RCM, we'd machine a female die from A1 tool steel, calculate a appropriate load of Red Dot powder and primer, and re-shape the end with explosive forming. As a bonus, it would really clean out the inside of that hose. It couldn't take more than four or five hours of work to save us from having to buy a $3 replacement end. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
.... Ho-ho! You must be in another newsgroup. Here on RCM, we'd machine a female die from A1 tool steel, calculate a appropriate load of Red Dot powder and primer, and re-shape the end with explosive forming. As a bonus, it would really clean out the inside of that hose. It couldn't take more than four or five hours of work to save us from having to buy a $3 replacement end. d8-) Chuckle... ![]() I've done things like re-round them after crushing, certainly, but not by explosive forming... -- |
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On Aug 12, 4:48*pm, dpb wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote: ... Ho-ho! You must be in another newsgroup. Here on RCM, we'd machine a female die from A1 tool steel, calculate a appropriate load of Red Dot powder and primer, and re-shape the end with explosive forming. As a bonus, it would really clean out the inside of that hose. It couldn't take more than four or five hours of work to save us from having to buy a $3 replacement end. d8-) Chuckle... ![]() I've done things like re-round them after crushing, certainly, but not by explosive forming... -- Or hand write the G-code to CNC a pattern and then cast a new end. But first you have to build the machinery and the furnace... |
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:48:37 -0500, dpb wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote: ... Ho-ho! You must be in another newsgroup. Here on RCM, we'd machine a female die from A1 tool steel, calculate a appropriate load of Red Dot powder and primer, and re-shape the end with explosive forming. As a bonus, it would really clean out the inside of that hose. It couldn't take more than four or five hours of work to save us from having to buy a $3 replacement end. d8-) Chuckle... ![]() I've done things like re-round them after crushing, certainly, but not by explosive forming... And Bullseye would be better for explosive forming than Red Dot. "A conservative who doesn't believe? in God simply doesn't pray; a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't like guns doesn't buy one; a liberal gun-hater wants to disarm us all. A gay conservative has sex his own way; a gay liberal requires us all to watch and accept his perversion and have it taught to children. A conservative who is offended by a radio show changes the station; an offended liberal wants it banned, prosecuted and persecuted." Bobby XD9 |
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Brent wrote:
From a prior thread, it appears that taps and dies do exist for standard USA garden hose thread; but one needs to know the exact size of the GHT which seems to be an openly held secret. Can we confirm what the typical USA garden hose thread tap and die size would be? According to research, it's NOT National Hose (NH) thread; although it's similar, it's Garden Hose Thread (GHT). The best I can find that describes GHT is this obscure Yahoo reference: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1022106AAKkLuz If that's right, the tap and die size for GHT would be: O.D. 1.0625 at 11.5 threads per inch But, does anyone truly know what GHT taps and die sizes are (and where we can get a real GHT tap and die set)? For Gawds sake, buy a fricken heavy duty brass replacement like you were shown. They aren't cheap but they can be driven over and not distort. And it's good for life! When the hose is shot you keep the good replacement end for when your next hose has a problem. |
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On Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:07:34 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
From a prior thread, it appears that taps and dies do exist for standard USA garden hose thread; but one needs to know the exact size of the GHT which seems to be an openly held secret. Can we confirm what the typical USA garden hose thread tap and die size would be? According to research, it's NOT National Hose (NH) thread; although it's similar, it's Garden Hose Thread (GHT). The best I can find that describes GHT is this obscure Yahoo reference: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1022106AAKkLuz If that's right, the tap and die size for GHT would be: O.D. 1.0625 at 11.5 threads per inch But, does anyone truly know what GHT taps and die sizes are (and where we can get a real GHT tap and die set) Could a tap be made for Water Hose Threads ? |
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On Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:07:34 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: From a prior thread, it appears that taps and dies do exist for standard USA garden hose thread; but one needs to know the exact size of the GHT which seems to be an openly held secret. Can we confirm what the typical USA garden hose thread tap and die size would be? According to research, it's NOT National Hose (NH) thread; although it's similar, it's Garden Hose Thread (GHT). The best I can find that describes GHT is this obscure Yahoo reference: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1022106AAKkLuz If that's right, the tap and die size for GHT would be: O.D. 1.0625 at 11.5 threads per inch But, does anyone truly know what GHT taps and die sizes are (and where we can get a real GHT tap and die set) Could a tap be made for Water Hose Threads ? Could a 3.5 year old question still need an answer? |
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On 4/3/2014 9:21 AM, Fred McKenzie wrote:
In , wrote: Could a tap be made for Water Hose Threads ? I think a water hose is close to a standard pipe thread, if you want to try some pipe fittings to find out. .... Close, but no cigar...look at a male/male NPT/GHT adapter and you can easily see the difference. No fitty if try reversing ends... -- |
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In article , dpb wrote:
On 4/3/2014 9:21 AM, Fred McKenzie wrote: In , wrote: Could a tap be made for Water Hose Threads ? I think a water hose is close to a standard pipe thread, if you want to try some pipe fittings to find out. ... Close, but no cigar...look at a male/male NPT/GHT adapter and you can easily see the difference. No fitty if try reversing ends... -- I have a couple that have smaller threads on the faucet itself to accommodate a backup protector thingy which has the hose thread on it. I can't get the hose to match up directly to the faucet. -- ³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.² ‹ Aaron Levenstein |
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On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 11:55:03 +0000, it was written:
Could a tap be made for Water Hose Threads ? Could a 3.5 year old question still need an answer? A 3.5-year old thread could still need tapping! ![]() |
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I know the answer because I have the die sitting on my desk. It's from J.A.M TAYLOR TOOL CO. LIMITED, http://www.taylortool.com, part # 40670, 3/4"-11 1/2 NH HSS Die 2" O/D @ $149.53 The definitive book is MACHINERY'S HANDBOOK. I have the 21st. Edition and on p. 1369 & 1370 it describes ANSI Standard Hose Coupling Screw Threads. Type NH is the full-form thread & type NHR is rolled. NHR is identical to NH, just a bit looser. Don't believe me. Find your hose, get yourself a vernier caliper, a SAE thread gauge, & check for yourself. Threads Per Inch will be between 11 and 12 (11.5) & External Thread Diameter will be between 1.0350 (NHR) and 1.0625 (NH). Steve.
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On Wednesday, August 11, 2010 at 12:07:34 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
From a prior thread, it appears that taps and dies do exist for standard USA garden hose thread; but one needs to know the exact size of the GHT which seems to be an openly held secret. Can we confirm what the typical USA garden hose thread tap and die size would be? According to research, it's NOT National Hose (NH) thread; although it's similar, it's Garden Hose Thread (GHT). The best I can find that describes GHT is this obscure Yahoo reference: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1022106AAKkLuz If that's right, the tap and die size for GHT would be: O.D. 1.0625 at 11.5 threads per inch But, does anyone truly know what GHT taps and die sizes are (and where we can get a real GHT tap and die set)? There are GHT CHASER taps and dies on Ebay. These are Chaser taps and dies only. |
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replying to zebloc2, al_gone wrote:
3/4"-11 1/2 NH HSS Die Ridgid has a 1-1/2" x 11-1/2 TPI, at Grainger the cost (2017) is about $168.00 not including the tap handle. Yoy can get a handle for around $100 new. You could alternatively buy a lot of hoses for that. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ea-458832-.htm |
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replying to Brent, Erik wrote:
http://catalog.tapcotaps.com/item/al...ht-hand-/72518 From Tapco taps. The reason no one can find GHT taps.. is because that's the thread name.. the TAP name is Nation Hose Thread 3/4 11 1/2 NH The link is for the Best.. too expensive, buy one from china. Remember that it's a meaty 3/4" hand tap so breaking it will be horrifying, buy a good one .. ![]() -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ea-458832-.htm |
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replying to Brent, Erik wrote:
http://catalog.tapcotaps.com/item/al...ht-hand-/72518 From Tapco taps. The reason no one can find GHT taps.. is because that's the thread name.. the TAP name is National Hose Thread 3/4 11 1/2 NH The link is for the Best.. too expensive, buy one from china. Remember that it's a meaty 3/4" hand tap so breaking it will be horrifying, buy a good one .. ![]() sell dies too) -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ea-458832-.htm |
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replying to Brent, RJD00IS wrote:
But, does anyone truly know what GHT taps and die sizes are (and where we can get a real GHT tap and die set)? Right now Amazon.com has a GHT die for chasing threads called "Superior Tool 05265 Mr. Thread Cleaner" made from Hardened plated steel for corrosion resistance for under $20. For a Male Tap I purchased a Stainless Steel 3/4 NPT to 3/4 GHT adapter from eBay for about $8 and took my Dremel Rotary Tool and cut angled slots on the side of the GHT threads to make it look and work like a tap. While both these items Tap and Die may not be used for cutting new threads where none exist, it works great for cleaning up existing and damaged threads and for a very small cost, considering you can use these again and again to clean up both male and female Garden Hose Ends as well as faucets. You may even be able to help your neighbors hose ends as well with yours. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ea-458832-.htm |
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I think it's the faucet threads that are the concern, not those of the hose. The anti backflow piece that's been required on outside faucets have a set screw that rusts/corrodes and cannot be removed and then the backflow piece with the setscrew galls the faucet's threads when coming off the faucet, which is necessary to repair or replace the useless backflow device, after time.
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"Joe Dokes" wrote in message
groupdirect.com... I think it's the faucet threads that are the concern, not those of the hose. The anti backflow piece that's been required on outside faucets have a set screw that rusts/corrodes and cannot be removed and then the backflow piece with the setscrew galls the faucet's threads when coming off the faucet, which is necessary to repair or replace the useless backflow device, after time. -- For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ea-458832-.htm --------------------------- https://dengarden.com/gardening/The-...-Hose-Fittings 1 1/16 is one and one sixteenth inch, not eleven sixteenths. Can you drill out the setscrew and clean up burred faucet threads with a small triangular file? Although they aren't required here I use those screw-on check valves to prevent backflow from sun-heated hoses but I remove the setscrew, and take them off in winter so the faucet can drain and not freeze and burst (again). I put brass quick connects on the check valve and hose ends so disconnecting the hose doesn't unscrew the valve. Just in case, the first short hose section at the faucet is rated for drinking water. |
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In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 5 Mar 2021 07:20:15 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: Can you drill out the setscrew and clean up burred faucet threads with a small triangular file? Although they aren't required here I use those screw-on check valves to prevent backflow from sun-heated hoses but I remove the setscrew, and take them off in winter so the faucet can drain and not freeze and burst (again). I put brass quick connects on the check valve and hose ends so disconnecting the hose doesn't unscrew the valve. Just in case, the first short hose section at the faucet is rated for drinking water. What is this backflow stuff? If you're water supply is never interrupted, why would anything flow backwards. And if it flow backwards, is it going to be more than an inch or two? It's 8 feet from my garden faucet to the main cold water pipe. How is the water ever going to flow back 8 feet. And if it does, it will get diluted by the incoming clean water. And then what are the odds I'll drink it, rather than flush the toilet, take a shower, or wash the dishes? And if you do get a little garden hose poison, it will build up your resistance? Like with snake poison. Who has not drunk out of the garden hose already? |
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![]() On Fri, 05 Mar 2021 14:54:01 -0500, micky posted for all of us to digest... In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 5 Mar 2021 07:20:15 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: Can you drill out the setscrew and clean up burred faucet threads with a small triangular file? Although they aren't required here I use those screw-on check valves to prevent backflow from sun-heated hoses but I remove the setscrew, and take them off in winter so the faucet can drain and not freeze and burst (again). I put brass quick connects on the check valve and hose ends so disconnecting the hose doesn't unscrew the valve. Just in case, the first short hose section at the faucet is rated for drinking water. What is this backflow stuff? If you're water supply is never interrupted, why would anything flow backwards. And if it flow backwards, is it going to be more than an inch or two? It's 8 feet from my garden faucet to the main cold water pipe. How is the water ever going to flow back 8 feet. And if it does, it will get diluted by the incoming clean water. And then what are the odds I'll drink it, rather than flush the toilet, take a shower, or wash the dishes? And if you do get a little garden hose poison, it will build up your resistance? Like with snake poison. Who has not drunk out of the garden hose already? It's called siphon. The overlords don't that water going back into the public water supply. -- Tekkie |
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![]() "micky" wrote in message ... In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 5 Mar 2021 07:20:15 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: Can you drill out the setscrew and clean up burred faucet threads with a small triangular file? Although they aren't required here I use those screw-on check valves to prevent backflow from sun-heated hoses but I remove the setscrew, and take them off in winter so the faucet can drain and not freeze and burst (again). I put brass quick connects on the check valve and hose ends so disconnecting the hose doesn't unscrew the valve. Just in case, the first short hose section at the faucet is rated for drinking water. What is this backflow stuff? If you're water supply is never interrupted, But they all can be occasionally. why would anything flow backwards. And if it flow backwards, is it going to be more than an inch or two? It can be enough to get all sorts of **** into the water supply, for others. It's 8 feet from my garden faucet to the main cold water pipe. How is the water ever going to flow back 8 feet. When they have repair a blown water line etc. And if it does, it will get diluted by the incoming clean water. Yes, but its very undesirable with some stuff in the water supply. And then what are the odds I'll drink it, rather than flush the toilet, take a shower, or wash the dishes? Yes, the risk isnt great, but its more than zero. And if you do get a little garden hose poison, It isnt just garden hose poison that's possible. it will build up your resistance? Like with snake poison. Or can kill you. Who has not drunk out of the garden hose already? It isnt just garden hose undesirables. |
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"micky" wrote in message ...
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 5 Mar 2021 07:20:15 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: Can you drill out the setscrew and clean up burred faucet threads with a small triangular file? Although they aren't required here I use those screw-on check valves to prevent backflow from sun-heated hoses but I remove the setscrew, and take them off in winter so the faucet can drain and not freeze and burst (again). I put brass quick connects on the check valve and hose ends so disconnecting the hose doesn't unscrew the valve. Just in case, the first short hose section at the faucet is rated for drinking water. What is this backflow stuff? If you're water supply is never interrupted, why would anything flow backwards. And if it flow backwards, is it going to be more than an inch or two? It's 8 feet from my garden faucet to the main cold water pipe. How is the water ever going to flow back 8 feet. And if it does, it will get diluted by the incoming clean water. And then what are the odds I'll drink it, rather than flush the toilet, take a shower, or wash the dishes? And if you do get a little garden hose poison, it will build up your resistance? Like with snake poison. Who has not drunk out of the garden hose already? ---------------------- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backfl...vention_device "Water pressure may fail or be reduced when a water main bursts, pipes freeze, or there is unexpectedly high demand on the water system (for example, when several fire hydrants are opened)." |
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![]() "Tekkie©" wrote in message ... On Fri, 05 Mar 2021 14:54:01 -0500, micky posted for all of us to digest... In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 5 Mar 2021 07:20:15 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: Can you drill out the setscrew and clean up burred faucet threads with a small triangular file? Although they aren't required here I use those screw-on check valves to prevent backflow from sun-heated hoses but I remove the setscrew, and take them off in winter so the faucet can drain and not freeze and burst (again). I put brass quick connects on the check valve and hose ends so disconnecting the hose doesn't unscrew the valve. Just in case, the first short hose section at the faucet is rated for drinking water. What is this backflow stuff? If you're water supply is never interrupted, why would anything flow backwards. And if it flow backwards, is it going to be more than an inch or two? It's 8 feet from my garden faucet to the main cold water pipe. How is the water ever going to flow back 8 feet. And if it does, it will get diluted by the incoming clean water. And then what are the odds I'll drink it, rather than flush the toilet, take a shower, or wash the dishes? And if you do get a little garden hose poison, it will build up your resistance? Like with snake poison. Who has not drunk out of the garden hose already? It's called siphon. The overlords don't that water going back into the public water supply. For quite good reasons. |
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"micky" wrote in message ... What is this backflow stuff? If you're water supply is never interrupted, But they all can be occasionally. -------------------------- Personally I've seen and rearranged a garden hose submerged in a swimming pool to refill it in the spring, to raise the level high enough to filter out the leaf debris, dead bugs, bird crap and green algae. The owner had covered the pool but a seam ripped. |
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In rec.crafts.metalworking Jim Wilkins wrote:
"micky" wrote in message ... In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 5 Mar 2021 07:20:15 -0500, "Jim Wilkins" wrote: Can you drill out the setscrew and clean up burred faucet threads with a small triangular file? At least on mine it was easier to use a fine saw to notch the backflow preventer on either side of the setscrew and then break out the screw. The body is brass and not very strong, the screws are relatively hard. The saw cuts did no substantial harm to the faucet, the setscrew galling was minimal and easy to file out. hth, bob prohaska |
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On 3/5/2021 5:58 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Rod Speed"Â* wrote in message ... "micky" wrote in message ... What is this backflow stuff?Â* If you're water supply is never interrupted, But they all can be occasionally. -------------------------- Personally I've seen and rearranged a garden hose submerged in a swimming pool to refill it in the spring, to raise the level high enough to filter out the leaf debris, dead bugs, bird crap and green algae. The owner had covered the pool but a seam ripped. The companies that make backflow preventers has some good lobbyists. At work we had to have them on all pressure vessels, like boilers. Our boilers had much higher pressure than the town water system. At home we have to have them on the lawn sprinklers. I pay $25 a year for someone to come out and inspect it. Never saw the guy but there is a new tag on it and a bill in the mail. I'd like to see good some statistics on how much good they do. This gives a number but does not say if it is one year or a hundred years. https://www.plumbtimesc.com/the-impo...-home-or-work/ A report by the CDC confirmed that more than 1006 people across 19 states in the US had some form of sickness related to water contamination. Contaminated water can spread diseases in a split second due to the interconnection of water systems. Backflows tend to redirect contaminated water in homes. |
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On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 9:19:36 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/5/2021 5:58 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote: "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "micky" wrote in message ... What is this backflow stuff? If you're water supply is never interrupted, But they all can be occasionally. -------------------------- Personally I've seen and rearranged a garden hose submerged in a swimming pool to refill it in the spring, to raise the level high enough to filter out the leaf debris, dead bugs, bird crap and green algae. The owner had covered the pool but a seam ripped. The companies that make backflow preventers has some good lobbyists. At work we had to have them on all pressure vessels, like boilers. Our boilers had much higher pressure than the town water system. At home we have to have them on the lawn sprinklers. I pay $25 a year for someone to come out and inspect it. Never saw the guy but there is a new tag on it and a bill in the mail. I'd like to see good some statistics on how much good they do. This gives a number but does not say if it is one year or a hundred years. https://www.plumbtimesc.com/the-impo...-home-or-work/ A report by the CDC confirmed that more than 1006 people across 19 states in the US had some form of sickness related to water contamination. Contaminated water can spread diseases in a split second due to the interconnection of water systems. Backflows tend to redirect contaminated water in homes. Didn't bother to go read it, but also does "sickness related to water contamination" only include fresh water systems? Public water systems? Or is it any water contamination, eg water in boats, RVs, drinking water from a stream, etc. Needing to inspect the backflow thing once a year is certainly excessive. Another govt program to rip you off and create more govt jobs. Even if they were going to inspect them, once every 5 years would be enough. Thankfully in NJ there is no inspection at all. There might be an inspection now when first installed, but 25 years ago when i had mine put in, they didn't even require that. |
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On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 9:19:36 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/5/2021 5:58 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote: "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "micky" wrote in message ... What is this backflow stuff? If you're water supply is never interrupted, But they all can be occasionally. -------------------------- Personally I've seen and rearranged a garden hose submerged in a swimming pool to refill it in the spring, to raise the level high enough to filter out the leaf debris, dead bugs, bird crap and green algae. The owner had covered the pool but a seam ripped. The companies that make backflow preventers has some good lobbyists. At work we had to have them on all pressure vessels, like boilers. Our boilers had much higher pressure than the town water system. At home we have to have them on the lawn sprinklers. I pay $25 a year for someone to come out and inspect it. Never saw the guy but there is a new tag on it and a bill in the mail. I'd like to see good some statistics on how much good they do. This gives a number but does not say if it is one year or a hundred years. https://www.plumbtimesc.com/the-impo...-home-or-work/ A report by the CDC confirmed that more than 1006 people across 19 states in the US had some form of sickness related to water contamination. Contaminated water can spread diseases in a split second due to the interconnection of water systems. Backflows tend to redirect contaminated water in homes. Salt, pepper, mustard. |
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