Hi Readers,

The installation instructions for the generator transfer switch I want
to buy (figure 4 on page 5 of http://www.reliancecontrols.com/Docu...structions.pdf)
indicate that I'm to leave neatly placed wire nuts as connections
inside the circuit breaker panel box. My neighbor (with some
construction knowledge) says doing so would be an electrical code
violation: he says there should be no wire nuts within the panel
box.
Is it a code violation?
If so, what would be the "correct" way?

Thanks for advice,
Theodore.

On 8/10/2010 8:39 PM, millinghill wrote:
Hi Readers,

The installation instructions for the generator transfer switch I want
to buy (figure 4 on page 5 of http://www.reliancecontrols.com/Docu...structions.pdf)
indicate that I'm to leave neatly placed wire nuts as connections
inside the circuit breaker panel box. My neighbor (with some
construction knowledge) says doing so would be an electrical code
violation: he says there should be no wire nuts within the panel
box.
Is it a code violation?
If so, what would be the "correct" way?



http://www.green-trust.org/generator/genny_install.htm




Jay

On 8/10/2010 7:39 PM, millinghill wrote:
Hi Readers,

The installation instructions for the generator transfer switch I want
to buy (figure 4 on page 5 of http://www.reliancecontrols.com/Docu...structions.pdf)
indicate that I'm to leave neatly placed wire nuts as connections
inside the circuit breaker panel box. My neighbor (with some
construction knowledge) says doing so would be an electrical code
violation: he says there should be no wire nuts within the panel
box.
Is it a code violation?
If so, what would be the "correct" way?

Thanks for advice,
Theodore.

Your neighbor is absolutely WRONG . A breaker panel is totally
acceptable as a junction box. Pigtailing of circuits inside a breaker
panel is totally acceptable and very common.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

"millinghill" wrote in message
...
Hi Readers,

The installation instructions for the generator transfer switch I want
to buy (figure 4 on page 5 of
http://www.reliancecontrols.com/Docu...structions.pdf)
indicate that I'm to leave neatly placed wire nuts as connections
inside the circuit breaker panel box. My neighbor (with some
construction knowledge) says doing so would be an electrical code
violation: he says there should be no wire nuts within the panel
box.
Is it a code violation?
If so, what would be the "correct" way?

Thanks for advice,
Theodore.

Do it just as it shows in the documentation that comes with the U.L. listed
transfer switch, and you will be Nec compliant . and tell your neighbor
not to quit his day job

RBM wrote:

Do it just as it shows in the documentation that comes with the U.L.
listed transfer switch, and you will be Nec compliant . and tell
your neighbor not to quit his day job

But, but, but... what if his day job is "electrician?"

Do it just as it shows in the documentation that comes with the U.L. listed
transfer switch, and you will be Nec *compliant

Thanks, RBM.
However, consider the comment "Codes vary in this regard. Some, like
ours, allow twist connectors in the main panel, while others may
require that you pull all disconnected circuit cables from the main
panel and route them into the side panel, via junction boxes." in the
website (http://www.green-trust.org/generator/genny_install.htm )
posted in previous reply by Jay Hanig above. Do you have an opinion
on this, and on where I would I ask to find out more? Location is New
York State.

On 8/10/2010 10:16 PM, HeyBub wrote:
RBM wrote:

Do it just as it shows in the documentation that comes with the U.L.
listed transfer switch, and you will be Nec compliant . and tell
your neighbor not to quit his day job

But, but, but... what if his day job is "electrician?"



if that's the case, he's a doofus *******.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

I am not Electrician and in many places have they own code
however if any connection is to be done it should be inside some
type of electrical enclosure, it could be same panel where switch,
Switch-over is located or separate, as long there is enough of room
I believe that you neighbored is full of?


"millinghill" wrote in message
...
Hi Readers,

The installation instructions for the generator transfer switch I want
to buy (figure 4 on page 5 of
http://www.reliancecontrols.com/Docu...structions.pdf)
indicate that I'm to leave neatly placed wire nuts as connections
inside the circuit breaker panel box. My neighbor (with some
construction knowledge) says doing so would be an electrical code
violation: he says there should be no wire nuts within the panel
box.
Is it a code violation?
If so, what would be the "correct" way?

Thanks for advice,
Theodore.

On 8/10/2010 7:39 PM, millinghill wrote:
Hi Readers,

The installation instructions for the generator transfer switch I want
to buy (figure 4 on page 5 of http://www.reliancecontrols.com/Docu...structions.pdf)
indicate that I'm to leave neatly placed wire nuts as connections
inside the circuit breaker panel box. My neighbor (with some
construction knowledge) says doing so would be an electrical code
violation: he says there should be no wire nuts within the panel
box.
Is it a code violation?
If so, what would be the "correct" way?

Thanks for advice,
Theodore.

The National Electrical Code allows junctions inside a breaker panel.
Some anal retentive jurisdictions may not. I would ask your electrical
inspection department in the city or county where you reside.

TDD

On Aug 11, 12:25*am, The Daring Dufas the-daring-
wrote:
On 8/10/2010 7:39 PM, millinghill wrote:

Hi Readers,

The installation instructions for the generator transfer switch I want
to buy (figure 4 on page 5 ofhttp://www.reliancecontrols.com/Documents/ProTran%20Instructions.pdf)
indicate that I'm to leave neatly placed wire nuts as connections
inside the circuit breaker panel box. *My neighbor (with some
construction knowledge) says doing so would be an electrical code
violation: he says there should be no wire nuts within the panel
box.
Is it a code violation?
If so, what would be the "correct" way?

Thanks for advice,
Theodore.

The National Electrical Code allows junctions inside a breaker panel.
Some anal retentive jurisdictions may not. I would ask your electrical
inspection department in the city or county where you reside.

TDD

Well said, and understood.
Thanks, all, for the info!

"millinghill" wrote in message
...

Do it just as it shows in the documentation that comes with the U.L.
listed
transfer switch, and you will be Nec compliant

Thanks, RBM.
However, consider the comment "Codes vary in this regard. Some, like
ours, allow twist connectors in the main panel, while others may
require that you pull all disconnected circuit cables from the main
panel and route them into the side panel, via junction boxes." in the
website (http://www.green-trust.org/generator/genny_install.htm )
posted in previous reply by Jay Hanig above. Do you have an opinion
on this, and on where I would I ask to find out more? Location is New
York State.


You have two different types of transfer switches. If I were wiring the one
from Green Trust, I would remove the cables from the existing panel, and
relocate them into the transfer panel. The Reliance panel you have is not
designed to do that. The NEC requires that you follow the instructions that
come with the U.L. listed equipment. What you might want to do, is contact
whatever electrical inspection authority you have, and just ask if they
follow Nec rules regarding generator installations

RBM wrote:
"millinghill" wrote in message
...

Do it just as it shows in the documentation that comes with the U.L.
listed
transfer switch, and you will be Nec compliant

Thanks, RBM.
However, consider the comment "Codes vary in this regard. Some, like
ours, allow twist connectors in the main panel, while others may
require that you pull all disconnected circuit cables from the main
panel and route them into the side panel, via junction boxes." in the
website (http://www.green-trust.org/generator/genny_install.htm )
posted in previous reply by Jay Hanig above. Do you have an opinion
on this, and on where I would I ask to find out more? Location is New
York State.


You have two different types of transfer switches. If I were wiring the one
from Green Trust, I would remove the cables from the existing panel, and
relocate them into the transfer panel. The Reliance panel you have is not
designed to do that. The NEC requires that you follow the instructions that
come with the U.L. listed equipment. What you might want to do, is contact
whatever electrical inspection authority you have, and just ask if they
follow Nec rules regarding generator installations


I agree with verifying what you want to do with the inspector.



The NEC section that allows splicing in a panel, and wires to run
through a panel (subject to space limitations) is 312.8.



A while ago John Grabowski posted a link to
http://www.interlockkit.com/CATALOG2008.pdf
which is a relatively cheap and flexible way to do a transfer switch. A
circuit breaker (must be "secured in place") in the service panel is
connected to the generator. An mechanical interlock on the panel cover
prevents both the generator breaker and the service disconnect breaker
from being on at the same time. I believe SquareD has a similar
interlock for their panels.

--
bud--

bud-- wrote:

RBM wrote:
"millinghill" wrote in message
...

Do it just as it shows in the documentation that comes with the U.L.
listed
transfer switch, and you will be Nec compliant

Thanks, RBM.
However, consider the comment "Codes vary in this regard. Some, like
ours, allow twist connectors in the main panel, while others may
require that you pull all disconnected circuit cables from the main
panel and route them into the side panel, via junction boxes." in the
website (http://www.green-trust.org/generator/genny_install.htm )
posted in previous reply by Jay Hanig above. Do you have an opinion
on this, and on where I would I ask to find out more? Location is New
York State.


You have two different types of transfer switches. If I were wiring the one
from Green Trust, I would remove the cables from the existing panel, and
relocate them into the transfer panel. The Reliance panel you have is not
designed to do that. The NEC requires that you follow the instructions that
come with the U.L. listed equipment. What you might want to do, is contact
whatever electrical inspection authority you have, and just ask if they
follow Nec rules regarding generator installations


I agree with verifying what you want to do with the inspector.

The NEC section that allows splicing in a panel, and wires to run
through a panel (subject to space limitations) is 312.8.

A while ago John Grabowski posted a link to
http://www.interlockkit.com/CATALOG2008.pdf
which is a relatively cheap and flexible way to do a transfer switch. A
circuit breaker (must be "secured in place") in the service panel is
connected to the generator. An mechanical interlock on the panel cover
prevents both the generator breaker and the service disconnect breaker
from being on at the same time. I believe SquareD has a similar
interlock for their panels.

Yes, I use the Square D interlock kit on my QO panel and it works well.

In ,
millinghill typed:
Hi Readers,

The installation instructions for the generator transfer
switch I want
to buy (figure 4 on page 5 of
http://www.reliancecontrols.com/Docu...structions.pdf)
indicate that I'm to leave neatly placed wire nuts as
connections
inside the circuit breaker panel box. My neighbor (with
some
construction knowledge) says doing so would be an
electrical code
violation: he says there should be no wire nuts within the
panel
box.
Is it a code violation?
If so, what would be the "correct" way?

Thanks for advice,
Theodore.

When I installed mine here in upstate NY a few years back, the local code
office said it was OK as did the inspector who came out to approve it.
And that's what you should do; check with your local codes office.

HTH,

Twayne`

In ,
RBM typed:
"millinghill" wrote in message
...
Hi Readers,

The installation instructions for the generator transfer
switch I want to buy (figure 4 on page 5 of
http://www.reliancecontrols.com/Docu...structions.pdf)
indicate that I'm to leave neatly placed wire nuts as
connections inside the circuit breaker panel box. My
neighbor (with some construction knowledge) says doing so
would be an electrical code violation: he says there
should be no wire nuts within the panel box.
Is it a code violation?
If so, what would be the "correct" way?

Thanks for advice,
Theodore.

Do it just as it shows in the documentation that comes with
the U.L. listed transfer switch, and you will be Nec compliant . and tell
your neighbor not to quit his day job

Not necessarily compliant to electrical code, though; the only source is
codes offices as they have the final say and have the info thr inspectors
use. NEC isn't the final word: The code enforcement is the final work.
There are also differences in how and whether the external disconnect is
positioned; check that too while you're at it.

HTH,

Twayne`