Hey, I hear there's gonna be a massive new mosque built on ground zero
in New York. You'd better all get your six shooters out & get yo
asses over there........... Heh! Heh!

We gonna play cowboys and Muslims?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"harry" wrote in message
...
Hey, I hear there's gonna be a massive new mosque built on ground zero
in New York. You'd better all get your six shooters out & get yo
asses over there........... Heh! Heh!

On 5/17/2010 8:21 AM, harry wrote:
Hey, I hear there's gonna be a massive new mosque built on ground zero
in New York. You'd better all get your six shooters out& get yo
asses over there........... Heh! Heh!

Sounds like you are really out of the loop. There just isn't a problem.
Out president (who is really, really smart..) apologized to the Muslims
and it has really worked. So far there have only minimal attempts to
inflict massive causalities on US citizens since he took office and his
really smart attorney general thinks there is no Muslim terrorism so
really there is nothing to be concerned about...

Or review this with stats for just this year:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ncidents,_2010

On May 17, 7:21*am, harry wrote:
Hey, I hear there's gonna be a massive new mosque built on ground zero
in New York. *You'd better all get your six shooters out & get yo
asses over there........... * Heh! Heh!

Most likely an urban legend to get individuals all worked up. You
didn't include a link, so....

Bob Villa wrote:
On May 17, 7:21 am, harry wrote:
Hey, I hear there's gonna be a massive new mosque built on ground
zero in New York. You'd better all get your six shooters out & get yo
asses over there........... Heh! Heh!

Most likely an urban legend to get individuals all worked up. You
didn't include a link, so....

It's prudent to be skeptical when confronted by claims that are so
outrageous as to be beyond belief.

In this case, however...

Associated Press:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...Ep4qgD9FHKR3O0

United Press International:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/...1071273181574/

A commentary:
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/826551-g...ts-new-yorkers

On May 17, 4:35�pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Bob Villa wrote:
On May 17, 7:21 am, harry wrote:
Hey, I hear there's gonna be a massive new mosque built on ground
zero in New York. You'd better all get your six shooters out & get yo
asses over there........... Heh! Heh!

Most likely an urban legend to get individuals all worked up. You
didn't include a link, so....

It's prudent to be skeptical when confronted by claims that are so
outrageous as to be beyond belief.

In this case, however...

Associated Press:http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...gNwrCUCH2jR03x...

United Press International:http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/...round-Zero-get...

A commentary:http://www.metro.co.uk/news/826551-g...ts-new-yorkers

Looked at your link. Says y'all gonna have a greater understanding of
Muslims.
I wonder when the first Muslim president of the USA will be elected.
Or is Obama a Muslim (Hussein)?
Or yes, maybe it will be a Mexican. Hmm, that sounds more likely. I
bet he'll be a democrat.

On May 17, 3:42�pm, Bob Villa wrote:
On May 17, 7:21�am, harry wrote:

Hey, I hear there's gonna be a massive new mosque built on ground zero
in New York. �You'd better all get your six shooters out & get yo
asses over there........... � Heh! Heh!

Most likely an urban legend to get individuals all worked up. You
didn't include a link, so....

I thought you'd all know about it already..

On May 17, 1:35�pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
We gonna play cowboys and Muslims?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
�www.lds.org
.

"harry" wrote in message

...
Hey, I hear there's gonna be a massive new mosque built on ground zero
in New York. �You'd better all get your six shooters out & get yo
asses over there........... � Heh! Heh!

I thought you already were!

On May 17, 4:35�pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Bob Villa wrote:
On May 17, 7:21 am, harry wrote:
Hey, I hear there's gonna be a massive new mosque built on ground
zero in New York. You'd better all get your six shooters out & get yo
asses over there........... Heh! Heh!

Most likely an urban legend to get individuals all worked up. You
didn't include a link, so....

It's prudent to be skeptical when confronted by claims that are so
outrageous as to be beyond belief.

In this case, however...

Associated Press:http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...gNwrCUCH2jR03x...

United Press International:http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/...round-Zero-get...

A commentary:http://www.metro.co.uk/news/826551-g...ts-new-yorkers

Yep. There you go. I only deal in facts. I thought maybe y'all
knew about this already.......

On May 17, 7:21*am, harry wrote:
Hey, I hear there's gonna be a massive new mosque built on ground zero
in New York. *You'd better all get your six shooters out & get yo
asses over there........... * Heh! Heh!

Two blocks away is not ON ground zero...as you stated! Still not
acceptable in my opinion.

bob

Bob Villa wrote:
On May 17, 7:21 am, harry wrote:
Hey, I hear there's gonna be a massive new mosque built on ground zero
in New York. You'd better all get your six shooters out & get yo
asses over there........... Heh! Heh!

Two blocks away is not ON ground zero...as you stated! Still not
acceptable in my opinion.

It would be interesting to compile a list of churches that lie within X
meters, for some number X, of locations where atrocities have been
committed at some time in the last 2,000 years in the name of Christianity.

On May 17, 6:00*pm, Harlan Messinger
wrote:
Bob Villa wrote:
On May 17, 7:21 am, harry wrote:
Hey, I hear there's gonna be a massive new mosque built on ground zero
in New York. *You'd better all get your six shooters out & get yo
asses over there........... * Heh! Heh!

Two blocks away is not ON ground zero...as you stated! *Still not
acceptable in my opinion.

It would be interesting to compile a list of churches that lie within X
meters, for some number X, of locations where atrocities have been
committed at some time in the last 2,000 years in the name of Christianity.

Wounds of this nature...heal slowly.

Harlan Messinger wrote:
Bob Villa wrote:
On May 17, 7:21 am, harry wrote:
Hey, I hear there's gonna be a massive new mosque built on ground
zero in New York. You'd better all get your six shooters out & get
yo asses over there........... Heh! Heh!

Two blocks away is not ON ground zero...as you stated! Still not
acceptable in my opinion.

It would be interesting to compile a list of churches that lie within
X meters, for some number X, of locations where atrocities have been
committed at some time in the last 2,000 years in the name of
Christianity.

Let's compare apple and apples. Compile a list of churches whose members, in
the past ten years, have committed unspeakable atrocities on thousands.

1) Jews have cut flesh off lots of infant boys
2) Catholics have done other things to boys

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"HeyBub" wrote in message
...


It would be interesting to compile a list of churches that lie
within
X meters, for some number X, of locations where atrocities have been
committed at some time in the last 2,000 years in the name of
Christianity.

Let's compare apple and apples. Compile a list of churches whose
members, in
the past ten years, have committed unspeakable atrocities on
thousands.

I'd guess we could come up with a heck of a list. From the Spanish
Inquisition, to the Salem Witch burning, and the wars in Ireland, and
on and on.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Harlan Messinger" wrote in
message ...

It would be interesting to compile a list of churches that lie within
X
meters, for some number X, of locations where atrocities have been
committed at some time in the last 2,000 years in the name of
Christianity.

HeyBub wrote:
Harlan Messinger wrote:
Bob Villa wrote:
On May 17, 7:21 am, harry wrote:
Hey, I hear there's gonna be a massive new mosque built on ground
zero in New York. You'd better all get your six shooters out & get
yo asses over there........... Heh! Heh!
Two blocks away is not ON ground zero...as you stated! Still not
acceptable in my opinion.
It would be interesting to compile a list of churches that lie within
X meters, for some number X, of locations where atrocities have been
committed at some time in the last 2,000 years in the name of
Christianity.

Let's compare apple and apples. Compile a list of churches whose members, in
the past ten years, have committed unspeakable atrocities on thousands.


Oh, I see, it has to have been in the last ten years, and then the vile
and ignorant acts of a few become the fault of every member and every
congregation of the major world religion to which they subscribed and
society gets to indulge its grief by blaming them in their entirety and
it becomes OK to set up arbitrary barriers and subject them to
discriminatory treatment. Grief and outrage always justify the passing
on of retribution to others. These centuries- and millennia-long cycles
of resentment and scorn and redirected comeuppance are really, really
healthy for the world and we should encourage them as much as we can.

There are all kinds of moral responsibilities here that are ignored.
The person or group asking for the mosque. The person reviewing/
approving the request. The reporter attempting to make a "story".
Even myself/this group commenting on the right or wrong of it.

It comes down to a group that "in their ideology" believe they have
been marked for extinction by the majority of the world. And "use"
their religion as an excuse to commit atrocities.

bob_v

Bob Villa wrote:
There are all kinds of moral responsibilities here that are ignored.
The person or group asking for the mosque. The person reviewing/
approving the request. The reporter attempting to make a "story".
Even myself/this group commenting on the right or wrong of it.

It comes down to a group that "in their ideology" believe they have
been marked for extinction by the majority of the world. And "use"
their religion as an excuse to commit atrocities.

Does this mosque have any connection to that group?

Is all of Christendom responsible for

* the Inquisition
* the devastations wrought on the native peoples of the Americas,
Africa, and Australia
* slavery (endorsed by Scripture!)
* the Magdalene Laundries
* the institutionalized cover-up of pedophilic acts
* the crippling psychological and physical abuses of children perceived
to be gay under the supervision of such organizations as NARTH
* the Westboro Baptist Church

(the last three of which continue to the present day)?

Does this mosque have any connection to that group?

I never intimated that it did. Only that we are all responsible for
our moral "judgments" and "prejudices".

It's just a bad idea to put salt on an unhealed wound.

In article , Bob Villa wrote:
Does this mosque have any connection to that group?

I never intimated that it did. Only that we are all responsible for
our moral "judgments" and "prejudices".

It's just a bad idea to put salt on an unhealed wound.

And that is the essence of the objections.

Harlan Messinger wrote:

Let's compare apple and apples. Compile a list of churches whose
members, in the past ten years, have committed unspeakable
atrocities on thousands.
Oh, I see, it has to have been in the last ten years, and then the
vile and ignorant acts of a few become the fault of every member and
every congregation of the major world religion to which they
subscribed and society gets to indulge its grief by blaming them in
their entirety and it becomes OK to set up arbitrary barriers and
subject them to discriminatory treatment. Grief and outrage always
justify the passing on of retribution to others. These centuries- and
millennia-long cycles of resentment and scorn and redirected
comeuppance are really, really healthy for the world and we should
encourage them as much as we can.

That wasn't my point, but to answer you question, sure.

If someone joins a group or remains a member knowing the reputation of the
group, it is presumed they agree with that reputation.

As for visiting a sanction on an entire group for the acts of its individual
members, that's called "corporate guilt." "Corporate guilt" as a technique
for enforcing conforming behavior has been around, like, forever. It works
in the kindergarten class. It works in the Marine Corps. It works between
nations. It worked when God rained fire down on Sodom.

Quite simply, if a group cannot control its members, they we (whoever "we"
might be) will control or eliminate the group.

Bob Villa wrote:
There are all kinds of moral responsibilities here that are ignored.
The person or group asking for the mosque. The person reviewing/
approving the request. The reporter attempting to make a "story".
Even myself/this group commenting on the right or wrong of it.

It comes down to a group that "in their ideology" believe they have
been marked for extinction by the majority of the world. And "use"
their religion as an excuse to commit atrocities.


Some believe that they goblins don't "use their religion as an excuse..." so
much as the religion commands them so and they are merely the conduit.

How many times have we heard that so-and-so was a good boy but he fell in
with a wicked crowd who commanded him to do despicable acts? Do we blame the
boy - or the group influencing him? Or both?

Stormin Mormon wrote:
I'd guess we could come up with a heck of a list. From the Spanish
Inquisition, to the Salem Witch burning, and the wars in Ireland, and
on and on.

But you've got to look at the greater good: Since Salem, I have not heard of
ANY problems with witches in Massachusetts.

clipped

* the Inquisition
* the devastations wrought on the native peoples of the Americas,
Africa, and Australia
* slavery (endorsed by Scripture!)
* the Magdalene Laundries
* the institutionalized cover-up of pedophilic acts
* the crippling psychological and physical abuses of children perceived
to be gay under the supervision of such organizations as NARTH
* the Westboro Baptist Church

(the last three of which continue to the present day)?

Gee, for a minute I thought you were talking about the Republican Party.

On May 18, 5:21�pm, "
wrote:
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* the Inquisition
* the devastations wrought on the native peoples of the Americas,
Africa, and Australia
* slavery (endorsed by Scripture!)
* the Magdalene Laundries
* the institutionalized cover-up of pedophilic acts
* the crippling psychological and physical abuses of children perceived
to be gay under the supervision of such organizations as NARTH
* the Westboro Baptist Church

(the last three of which continue to the present day)?

Gee, for a minute I thought you were talking about the Republican Party.

Hah! I hadn't heard the trem Magdelene Laundries before. We need to
bring that back, at least in the UK.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-couple.html

On May 18, 2:43�pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Harlan Messinger wrote:

Let's compare apple and apples. Compile a list of churches whose
members, in the past ten years, have committed unspeakable
atrocities on thousands.
Oh, I see, it has to have been in the last ten years, and then the
vile and ignorant acts of a few become the fault of every member and
every congregation of the major world religion to which they
subscribed and society gets to indulge its grief by blaming them in
their entirety and it becomes OK to set up arbitrary barriers and
subject them to discriminatory treatment. Grief and outrage always
justify the passing on of retribution to others. These centuries- and
millennia-long cycles of resentment and scorn and redirected
comeuppance are really, really healthy for the world and we should
encourage them as much as we can.

That wasn't my point, but to answer you question, sure.

If someone joins a group or remains a member knowing the reputation of the
group, it is presumed they agree with that reputation.

As for visiting a sanction on an entire group for the acts of its individual
members, that's called "corporate guilt." "Corporate guilt" as a technique
for enforcing conforming behavior has been around, like, forever. It works
in the kindergarten class. It works in the Marine Corps. It works between
nations. It worked when God rained fire down on Sodom.

Quite simply, if a group cannot control its members, they we (whoever "we"
might be) will control or eliminate the group.

The problem is that there is no central authority for Islaam. There
are all sorts of ******s out there make it up as they go along. Then
they issue fatwas which are just opinions. A lot of the Haditha was
written hundreds of years after the Qran. It just represents updates
on aspects of society never thought of by Mohamed & his cronies. The
trouble is these ******s build up followers. The young in muslim
countries' heroes are the various religious nuts in their communities.
Mind you, all religious nuts are ******s. They dwell on the shrinking
Island of Ignorance. Sometimes known as Lalaland.

On May 18, 2:43�pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Harlan Messinger wrote:

Let's compare apple and apples. Compile a list of churches whose
members, in the past ten years, have committed unspeakable
atrocities on thousands.
Oh, I see, it has to have been in the last ten years, and then the
vile and ignorant acts of a few become the fault of every member and
every congregation of the major world religion to which they
subscribed and society gets to indulge its grief by blaming them in
their entirety and it becomes OK to set up arbitrary barriers and
subject them to discriminatory treatment. Grief and outrage always
justify the passing on of retribution to others. These centuries- and
millennia-long cycles of resentment and scorn and redirected
comeuppance are really, really healthy for the world and we should
encourage them as much as we can.

That wasn't my point, but to answer you question, sure.

If someone joins a group or remains a member knowing the reputation of the
group, it is presumed they agree with that reputation.

As for visiting a sanction on an entire group for the acts of its individual
members, that's called "corporate guilt." "Corporate guilt" as a technique
for enforcing conforming behavior has been around, like, forever. It works
in the kindergarten class. It works in the Marine Corps. It works between
nations. It worked when God rained fire down on Sodom.

By the same reasoning, the inhabitants of Haiti are evil *******s, or
is God now impotant?

Mind you, come to think, we've had all these earthquakes/tsunamis in
muslim countries recently. Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran, Yeman, Turkey.
Maybe Allah is punishing the evil muslim *******s for their recent
atrocities. Maybe Allah is all powerful & the christian God is not.
But then, the USA was visited by Katrina and the gulf oil spill. Maybe
the great Satan is being punished! But was it God or Allah? Are they
the same person?
Heh! Heh!

You're right. Hillary from Arkansas, and who else? But none from MA?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
I'd guess we could come up with a heck of a list. From the Spanish
Inquisition, to the Salem Witch burning, and the wars in Ireland,
and
on and on.

But you've got to look at the greater good: Since Salem, I have not
heard of
ANY problems with witches in Massachusetts.

The problem is that there is no central authority for Islaam. There
are all sorts of ******s out there make it up as they go along. Then
they issue fatwas which are just opinions. A lot of the Haditha was
written hundreds of years after the Qran. It just represents updates
on aspects of society never thought of by Mohamed & his cronies. The
trouble is these ******s build up followers. The young in muslim
countries' heroes are the various religious nuts in their communities.
Mind you, all religious nuts are ******s. They dwell on the shrinking
Island of Ignorance. Sometimes known as Lalaland.

Could say almost the same about the Bible and Christianity...there are
loonies in every large population or faith, and just as many who are
willing to hate the population for the deeds of a few. There are plenty
who would do anything to stay in power, and just as many who would do
anything to assume power. Just today, another homophobic,
bible-beating, hypocritical pol. confessed his sins and his regrets and
stepped down from Congress. I'm sick to death of those confessions and
the putrid creeps who use religion to get votes and cheat the public.
And sick to death of the idiots who keep voting for them.

harry wrote:
On May 18, 2:43�pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Harlan Messinger wrote:

Let's compare apple and apples. Compile a list of churches whose
members, in the past ten years, have committed unspeakable
atrocities on thousands.
Oh, I see, it has to have been in the last ten years, and then the
vile and ignorant acts of a few become the fault of every member and
every congregation of the major world religion to which they
subscribed and society gets to indulge its grief by blaming them in
their entirety and it becomes OK to set up arbitrary barriers and
subject them to discriminatory treatment. Grief and outrage always
justify the passing on of retribution to others. These centuries- and
millennia-long cycles of resentment and scorn and redirected
comeuppance are really, really healthy for the world and we should
encourage them as much as we can.
That wasn't my point, but to answer you question, sure.

If someone joins a group or remains a member knowing the reputation of the
group, it is presumed they agree with that reputation.

As for visiting a sanction on an entire group for the acts of its individual
members, that's called "corporate guilt." "Corporate guilt" as a technique
for enforcing conforming behavior has been around, like, forever. It works
in the kindergarten class. It works in the Marine Corps. It works between
nations. It worked when God rained fire down on Sodom.

By the same reasoning, the inhabitants of Haiti are evil *******s, or
is God now impotant?

Mind you, come to think, we've had all these earthquakes/tsunamis in
muslim countries recently. Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran, Yeman, Turkey.
Maybe Allah is punishing the evil muslim *******s for their recent
atrocities. Maybe Allah is all powerful & the christian God is not.
But then, the USA was visited by Katrina and the gulf oil spill. Maybe
the great Satan is being punished! But was it God or Allah? Are they
the same person?
Heh! Heh!

Naw...I blame the g.o.s. on Allah too, for not buying more OPEC )
Don't know who to blame for the Iceland volcano...Thor?

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
1) Jews have cut flesh off lots of infant boys
2) Catholics have done other things to boys

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"HeyBub" wrote in message
...


It would be interesting to compile a list of churches that lie
within
X meters, for some number X, of locations where atrocities have been
committed at some time in the last 2,000 years in the name of
Christianity.

Let's compare apple and apples. Compile a list of churches whose
members, in
the past ten years, have committed unspeakable atrocities on
thousands.




And you have bought those penis foreskins to use as chewing gum?


--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---

wrote:

Could say almost the same about the Bible and Christianity...there are
loonies in every large population or faith, and just as many who are
willing to hate the population for the deeds of a few. There are
plenty who would do anything to stay in power, and just as many who
would do anything to assume power.

You mean like the Branch Davidians? Or earlier, the Mormons?

Just today, another homophobic,
bible-beating, hypocritical pol. confessed his sins and his regrets
and stepped down from Congress. I'm sick to death of those
confessions and the putrid creeps who use religion to get votes and
cheat the public. And sick to death of the idiots who keep voting for
them.

I agree with his confession being pathetic. But have you seen the hottie he
was pumping?

What he SHOULD have done was take pride in his accomplishments.

Bob Villa wrote:
Does this mosque have any connection to that group?

I never intimated that it did. Only that we are all responsible for
our moral "judgments" and "prejudices".

It's just a bad idea to put salt on an unhealed wound.

What's a bad idea is casting people who, like you and me, are just being
who they are and going about their business and who have nothing to do
with the unhealed wound in the role of salt. What's a bad idea is
indulging the misdirection of grief and fear at the expense of others.

Eeewww... that's gross.

No, they are pencil erasers.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Real ****er" wrote in message
...

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
1) Jews have cut flesh off lots of infant boys
2) Catholics have done other things to boys



And you have bought those penis foreskins to use as chewing gum?

In article ,
"Stormin Mormon" wrote:

Eeewww... that's gross.

No, they are pencil erasers.

Handbags that can convert to steamer trunks...

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

On May 18, 6:32�pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
You're right. Hillary from Arkansas, and who else? But none from MA?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
�www.lds.org
.

"HeyBub" wrote in message

...

Stormin Mormon wrote:
I'd guess we could come up with a heck of a list. From the Spanish
Inquisition, to the Salem Witch burning, and the wars in Ireland,
and
on and on.

But you've got to look at the greater good: Since Salem, I have not
heard of
ANY problems with witches in Massachusetts.

They're out there. No-one pays them any attention.

On May 18, 10:07*pm, Harlan Messinger
wrote:
Bob Villa wrote:
Does this mosque have any connection to that group?

I never intimated that it did. *Only that we are all responsible for
our moral "judgments" and "prejudices".

It's just a bad idea to put salt on an unhealed wound.

What's a bad idea is casting people who, like you and me, are just being
who they are and going about their business and who have nothing to do
with the unhealed wound in the role of salt. What's a bad idea is
indulging the misdirection of grief and fear at the expense of others.

I find it hard to believe that the intention of building a huge muslim
mosque close to ground zero in nyc is anything other than rubbing salt
in a wound. We have large numbers of muslims, including the
supposedly peaceful and reasonalbe ones, that turn up protesting in
the streets, demanding appologies or death to infidels if anyone dares
to publish a cartoon with Muhammad. Yet, they see no problem in
building a new mosque next to the former WTC site.

On May 18, 5:17*pm, "
wrote:
harry wrote:

Don't know who to blame for the Iceland volcano...Thor?- Hide quoted text -

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Odin!