Hi,

I want to replace a wooden gate in my yard, in a 3 row
split rail fence. I am providing pics of the gate and the hinges. I
believe the name of the hinge type is something and pintle.

I will also need to replace the rotted post next to the hinged
side of the gate.

I thought I would be able to just lift the gate off the hinges,
but not so. After lots of Liquid Wrench and "3 in 1" oil on the
hinges, I was able to move the gate up about an inch ( separated the
hinges about an inch), but it seems to be stuck there.

I want to reuse these hinges in my new gate, if possible.

My main question is ......... how accurate do I have to be in
installing these pintle type hinges into the new post and gate ?
Is there a method to make sure everything lines up properly?
Would Home Depot or Lowes be able to drill holes into the post and
gate for me that are exactly parallel ?

Am I correct in assuming a pintle hinge is supposed to come apart into
2 pieces?

gate : http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2692/...0a03e3d7_m.jpg

one hinge : http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/...1a31c241_m.jpg

Thanks

On Apr 11, 10:10*pm, utilitarian wrote:
Hi,

* * * * * * * * I want to replace a wooden gate in my yard, in a 3 row
split rail fence. *I am providing pics of the gate and the hinges. * I
believe the name of the hinge type is something and pintle.

* * *I will also need to replace the rotted post next to the hinged
side of the gate.

* * I thought I would be able to just lift the gate off the hinges,
but not so. After lots of Liquid Wrench and "3 in 1" oil on the
hinges, I was able to move the gate up about an inch ( separated the
hinges about an inch), but it seems to be stuck there.

* * I want to reuse these hinges in my new gate, if possible.

*My main question is ......... * how accurate do I have to be in
installing these pintle type * hinges into the new post and gate ?
Is there a method to make sure everything lines up properly?
Would Home Depot or Lowes be able to drill holes into the post and
gate for me that are exactly parallel ?

Am I correct in assuming a pintle hinge is supposed to come apart into
2 pieces?

gate : *http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2692/...0a03e3d7_m.jpg

one *hinge : *http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/...1a31c241_m.jpg

Thanks

"I believe the name of the hinge type is something and pintle."

I believe the something is "screw eye", as in Pintle and Screw Eye
Hinge.

"Am I correct in assuming a pintle hinge is supposed to come apart
into 2 pieces?

Yes, unless someone has enlarged (peened?) the top of the pintle to
prevent the removal of the gate.

"Would Home Depot or Lowes be able to drill holes into the post
and gate for me that are exactly parallel?"

Perhaps *a person* in one of those stores could, but I doubt that they
will - at least not without a "installation contract" of some type and
a charge. The only thing I have ever seen them do for free is cut
wood.

"Is there a method to make sure everything lines up properly?"

It would seem to me that with a few accurate measurements and proper
drilling techniques it should be fairly easy to mount this type of
hinge. A fairly simple jig that could be clamped around the posts
could help ensure that you drill a straight hole.

"how accurate do I have to be in installing these pintle type
hinges"

How well do you want the gate to work?

Basically, the three things to be concerned with a

1 - You want the pintle and eye bolt to be centered in the fence post
and gate post (Is it called a stile when it's part of a gate?)

2 - You want the pintle and eye bolt to both be level.

3 - You want the gate raised up high enough to clear any obstructions
on the ground. That means that 10" from the ground to bottom pindle on
the fence post might mean only 7" to the bottom pindle on the gate.

Oh yeah, I guess another thing to ensure is that each eye hook sits
firmly on it's respective pintle. If only sits on the pintle, then
that pintle will be bearing the full weight of the gate and the other
hinge will just sort of be guiding it.

On Apr 11, 10:10*pm, utilitarian wrote:
Hi,

* * * * * * * * I want to replace a wooden gate in my yard, in a 3 row
split rail fence. *I am providing pics of the gate and the hinges. * I
believe the name of the hinge type is something and pintle.

* * *I will also need to replace the rotted post next to the hinged
side of the gate.

* * I thought I would be able to just lift the gate off the hinges,
but not so. After lots of Liquid Wrench and "3 in 1" oil on the
hinges, I was able to move the gate up about an inch ( separated the
hinges about an inch), but it seems to be stuck there.

* * I want to reuse these hinges in my new gate, if possible.

*My main question is ......... * how accurate do I have to be in
installing these pintle type * hinges into the new post and gate ?
Is there a method to make sure everything lines up properly?
Would Home Depot or Lowes be able to drill holes into the post and
gate for me that are exactly parallel ?

Am I correct in assuming a pintle hinge is supposed to come apart into
2 pieces?

gate : *http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2692/...0a03e3d7_m.jpg

one *hinge : *http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/...1a31c241_m.jpg

Thanks

The word you are looking for is lunette (lunette & pintle---used in
the trailer hitching business)

Joe G

On Apr 12, 7:50*am, GROVER wrote:
On Apr 11, 10:10*pm, utilitarian wrote:





Hi,

* * * * * * * * I want to replace a wooden gate in my yard, in a 3 row
split rail fence. *I am providing pics of the gate and the hinges. * I
believe the name of the hinge type is something and pintle.

* * *I will also need to replace the rotted post next to the hinged
side of the gate.

* * I thought I would be able to just lift the gate off the hinges,
but not so. After lots of Liquid Wrench and "3 in 1" oil on the
hinges, I was able to move the gate up about an inch ( separated the
hinges about an inch), but it seems to be stuck there.

* * I want to reuse these hinges in my new gate, if possible.

*My main question is ......... * how accurate do I have to be in
installing these pintle type * hinges into the new post and gate ?
Is there a method to make sure everything lines up properly?
Would Home Depot or Lowes be able to drill holes into the post and
gate for me that are exactly parallel ?

Am I correct in assuming a pintle hinge is supposed to come apart into
2 pieces?

gate : *http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2692/...0a03e3d7_m.jpg

one *hinge : *http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/...1a31c241_m.jpg

Thanks

The word you are looking for is lunette (lunette & pintle---used in
the trailer hitching business)

Joe G- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not so sure that "lunette" is the right word when a "hinge" is
involved.

I only say that because when I try to search for "lunette and pintle
hinge" I only get hits for trailer hitches. Even when I try to be more
precise and tell Google not to include the word hitch (lunette and
pintle hinge -hitch) I still only get hits related to trailers.

However, when I search for "eye and pintle hinge" I get hits for
modern versions of the OP's hinge.

http://www.hardwaresource.com/index....ct_list&c=1133

I'm having a tough time finding the exact hinge that the OP has.

On Apr 11, 10:10 pm, utilitarian wrote:

I want to replace a wooden gate in my yard, in a 3 row
split rail fence. I am providing pics of the gate and the hinges. I
believe the name of the hinge type is something and pintle.

"GROVER" wrote in message
...

The word you are looking for is lunette (lunette & pintle---used in
the trailer hitching business)

More probably the terms are pintle and gudgeon,
the traditional way of fastening a rudder to a boat
so it can hinge freely in both directions, see
http://www.rigrite.com/Hardware/Rudd...s&Gudgeons.htm

To replace a gate hinge, if no specialist carpentry
store is nearby, a boatyard may supply your needs
better than an auto or trailer dealer.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

On Apr 12, 9:56*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Apr 12, 7:50*am, GROVER wrote:





On Apr 11, 10:10*pm, utilitarian wrote:

Hi,

* * * * * * * * I want to replace a wooden gate in my yard, in a 3 row
split rail fence. *I am providing pics of the gate and the hinges. * I
believe the name of the hinge type is something and pintle.

* * *I will also need to replace the rotted post next to the hinged
side of the gate.

* * I thought I would be able to just lift the gate off the hinges,
but not so. After lots of Liquid Wrench and "3 in 1" oil on the
hinges, I was able to move the gate up about an inch ( separated the
hinges about an inch), but it seems to be stuck there.

* * I want to reuse these hinges in my new gate, if possible.

*My main question is ......... * how accurate do I have to be in
installing these pintle type * hinges into the new post and gate ?
Is there a method to make sure everything lines up properly?
Would Home Depot or Lowes be able to drill holes into the post and
gate for me that are exactly parallel ?

Am I correct in assuming a pintle hinge is supposed to come apart into
2 pieces?

gate : *http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2692/...a03e3d7_m..jpg

one *hinge : *http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/...1a31c241_m.jpg

Thanks

The word you are looking for is lunette (lunette & pintle---used in
the trailer hitching business)

Joe G- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not so sure that "lunette" is the right word when a "hinge" is
involved.

I only say that because when I try to search for "lunette and pintle
hinge" I only get hits for trailer hitches. Even when I try to be more
precise and tell Google not to include the word hitch (lunette and
pintle hinge -hitch) I still only get hits related to trailers.

However, when I search for "eye and pintle hinge" I get hits for
modern versions of the OP's hinge.

http://www.hardwaresource.com/index....ct_list&c=1133

I'm having a tough time finding the exact hinge that the OP has.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I stand corrected, the lunette does seem to be a word from another
trade.

JoeG

On Apr 12, 12:24*pm, "Don Phillipson" wrote:
On Apr 11, 10:10 pm, utilitarian wrote:

I want to replace a wooden gate in my yard, in a 3 row
split rail fence. I am providing pics of the gate and the hinges. I
believe the name of the hinge type is something and pintle.
"GROVER" wrote in message

...

The word you are looking for is lunette (lunette & pintle---used in
the trailer hitching business)

More probably the terms are pintle and gudgeon,
the traditional way of fastening a rudder to a boat
so it can hinge freely in both directions, seehttp://www.rigrite.com/Hardware/Rudder_Hardware/Pintles&Gudgeons.htm

To replace a gate hinge, if no specialist carpentry
store is nearby, a boatyard may supply your needs
better than an auto or trailer dealer.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

I'm gonna stick with my suggestion of *Screw Eye* and Pintle.

As far as I can tell, the only part that I can find that matches the
OP's picture is a screw eye, which as we all know, is like a lag bolt
with circular opening on one end.

None of the "gudgeons" I've found on the web have "lag bolt" section,
but this Screw Eye and Pintle Hinge does:

http://www.hardwaresource.com/index....ct_list&c=1133

utilitarian wrote:
....

I thought I would be able to just lift the gate off the hinges,
but not so. After lots of Liquid Wrench and "3 in 1" oil on the
hinges, I was able to move the gate up about an inch ( separated the
hinges about an inch), but it seems to be stuck there.

You're not using a big enough hammer, then...just drive 'em off although
would probably help to get a lever under the gatepost and have somebody
help take the weight off while you're doing it.

If, as somebody suggested the tops have been enlarged (I'd guess it's
not really very likely, but possible) put it back down in place and use
a piece of coarse plumbers' emery cloth 60/80 at finest or a file and
clean them up a little.

I want to reuse these hinges in my new gate, if possible.

What could possibly keep you from doing so other than simply throwing up
yours hands???

My main question is ......... how accurate do I have to be in
installing these pintle type hinges into the new post and gate ?

Close enough to put the gate back on them...

Is there a method to make sure everything lines up properly?

Yeah, measure where you want them to go and put 'em there--this ain't
rocket science here, it's drilling two holes a fixed distance apart at
the right height...

--

"utilitarian" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I want to replace a wooden gate in my yard, in a 3 row
split rail fence. I am providing pics of the gate and the hinges. I
believe the name of the hinge type is something and pintle.

I will also need to replace the rotted post next to the hinged
side of the gate.

I thought I would be able to just lift the gate off the hinges,
but not so. After lots of Liquid Wrench and "3 in 1" oil on the
hinges, I was able to move the gate up about an inch ( separated the
hinges about an inch), but it seems to be stuck there.

I want to reuse these hinges in my new gate, if possible.

My main question is ......... how accurate do I have to be in
installing these pintle type hinges into the new post and gate ?
Is there a method to make sure everything lines up properly?
Would Home Depot or Lowes be able to drill holes into the post and
gate for me that are exactly parallel ?

Am I correct in assuming a pintle hinge is supposed to come apart into
2 pieces?

gate : http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2692/...0a03e3d7_m.jpg

one hinge :
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/...1a31c241_m.jpg

Thanks



They should come apart unless they have warped over the years. I know for a
fact that the post part can be purchased cheaper than screwing around with
an old one.

The female gate part, the ones I have installed as little as a year ago are
made like half of a strap hinge. This style requires less fancy measuring
than what you have.

The post needs to be in place before the post part is installed. Hinging
the gate is a field operation.

Colbyt

"utilitarian" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I want to replace a wooden gate in my yard, in a 3 row
split rail fence. I am providing pics of the gate and the hinges. I
believe the name of the hinge type is something and pintle.

I will also need to replace the rotted post next to the hinged
side of the gate.

I thought I would be able to just lift the gate off the hinges,
but not so. After lots of Liquid Wrench and "3 in 1" oil on the
hinges, I was able to move the gate up about an inch ( separated the
hinges about an inch), but it seems to be stuck there.

I want to reuse these hinges in my new gate, if possible.

My main question is ......... how accurate do I have to be in
installing these pintle type hinges into the new post and gate ?
Is there a method to make sure everything lines up properly?
Would Home Depot or Lowes be able to drill holes into the post and
gate for me that are exactly parallel ?

Am I correct in assuming a pintle hinge is supposed to come apart into
2 pieces?

gate : http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2692/...0a03e3d7_m.jpg

one hinge :
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/...1a31c241_m.jpg

Thanks




How about Adjustable Screw Hook and Eye Hinge for the proper name like it
matters.


http://www.hooverfence.com/woodfence/shehinge.htm

$13.07 (includes shipping) a pair and I am pretty sure we paid less
locally.

Colbyt

Hey, thanks for all the quick replies. "Screw Eye and Pintle" is
what I was thinking of, if it matters. That;s the first name I ran
across, anyway.

The idea of using an emery cloth to clean up the "male" part of
the hinge seems good. I went back out and looked at it, and there is a
buildup of some sort on it ( oxidation over the years?) which might
come off with some emery cloth or maybe a file, and let it come apart
more easily.

I was using a car jack under the lower hinge to lift it.

I'm concerned about the accuracy needed in the drilling since it
seems like the hinges could easily bind as the gate turns, if
everything isn't lined up exactly "right".

What's the rule for hole diameter when drilling a hole that will
receive a screw? The screw is just over a half inch in diameter.
Drill a 3/8 inch hole for it?

After I get the old gate and post out, I suppose I will put the new
post in, then drill the 2 holes in the post as levelly as possible, by
eye, then drill 2 more holes as levelly as possible, by eye, into the
gate stile, screw in the hinge parts, and hope it doesn't bind after
hanging the gate. Sound about right ? Is this how a
contractor would do it ?

Thanks

On Apr 11, 10:10*pm, utilitarian wrote:
Hi,

* * * * * * * * I want to replace a wooden gate in my yard, in a 3 row
split rail fence. *I am providing pics of the gate and the hinges. * I
believe the name of the hinge type is something and pintle.

* * *I will also need to replace the rotted post next to the hinged
side of the gate.

* * I thought I would be able to just lift the gate off the hinges,
but not so. After lots of Liquid Wrench and "3 in 1" oil on the
hinges, I was able to move the gate up about an inch ( separated the
hinges about an inch), but it seems to be stuck there.

* * I want to reuse these hinges in my new gate, if possible.

*My main question is ......... * how accurate do I have to be in
installing these pintle type * hinges into the new post and gate ?
Is there a method to make sure everything lines up properly?
Would Home Depot or Lowes be able to drill holes into the post and
gate for me that are exactly parallel ?

Am I correct in assuming a pintle hinge is supposed to come apart into
2 pieces?

gate : *http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2692/...0a03e3d7_m.jpg

one *hinge : *http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/...1a31c241_m.jpg

Thanks

We have those sort of hinges around our farm. I had a small gate,
about three feet wide, made of metal channels so it was fairly light
weight. One of the rams discovered that if he put his head underneath
and lifted, it came off the pins and he could get out to graze around
the neighborhood. Followed by the whole flock, of course. I turned the
top pin down so that he couldn't just lift the gate off the pins. I
know that puts most of the weight on the bottom pin, but it's better
to induce more wear on a pin that try to get the sheep out of the
neighbor's begonias.

Paul

On Apr 12, 3:15*pm, utilitarian wrote:
*Hey, thanks for all the quick replies. *"Screw Eye and Pintle" is
what I was thinking of, if it matters. That;s the first name I ran
across, anyway.

* * * The idea of using an emery cloth to clean up the "male" part of
the hinge seems good. I went back out and looked at it, and there is a
buildup of some sort on it ( oxidation over the years?) * which might
come off with some emery cloth or maybe a file, and let it come apart
more easily.

* I was using a car jack under the lower hinge to lift it.

*I'm concerned about the accuracy needed in the drilling since it
seems like the hinges could easily bind as the gate turns, if
everything isn't lined up exactly "right".

What's the rule for hole diameter when drilling a hole that will
receive a screw? *The screw is just over a half inch in diameter.
Drill a 3/8 inch hole *for it?

After I get the old gate and post out, I suppose I will put the new
post in, then drill the 2 holes in the post as levelly as possible, by
eye, then drill 2 more holes as levelly as possible, by eye, into the
gate stile, screw in the hinge parts, and hope it doesn't bind after
hanging the gate. * * * * Sound about right ? *Is this how a
contractor would do it ?

Thanks

"What's the rule for hole diameter when drilling a hole that will
receive a screw?"

On Apr 12, 3:15*pm, utilitarian wrote:
*Hey, thanks for all the quick replies. *"Screw Eye and Pintle" is
what I was thinking of, if it matters. That;s the first name I ran
across, anyway.

* * * The idea of using an emery cloth to clean up the "male" part of
the hinge seems good. I went back out and looked at it, and there is a
buildup of some sort on it ( oxidation over the years?) * which might
come off with some emery cloth or maybe a file, and let it come apart
more easily.

* I was using a car jack under the lower hinge to lift it.

*I'm concerned about the accuracy needed in the drilling since it
seems like the hinges could easily bind as the gate turns, if
everything isn't lined up exactly "right".

What's the rule for hole diameter when drilling a hole that will
receive a screw? *The screw is just over a half inch in diameter.
Drill a 3/8 inch hole *for it?

After I get the old gate and post out, I suppose I will put the new
post in, then drill the 2 holes in the post as levelly as possible, by
eye, then drill 2 more holes as levelly as possible, by eye, into the
gate stile, screw in the hinge parts, and hope it doesn't bind after
hanging the gate. * * * * Sound about right ? *Is this how a
contractor would do it ?

Thanks

"What's the rule for hole diameter when drilling a hole that will
receive a screw?"

Not sure what I hit, but my earlier post went out before it was
completed.

Anyway, a real quick and dirty way to determine what size bit to use
for any given screw/bolt (for wood use only!) is to use your eyeball.

Pick a bit that is *just* smaller than the solid shaft of the bolt/
screw.

As long as you remove enough material to prevent splitting of the wood
or breaking of the fastener while leaving enough wood for the threads
to bite into, you're good to go.

When it comes to tapping metal or installing fasteners into concrete,
etc. you need to be a little more careful.

"utilitarian" wrote in message
...

What's the rule for hole diameter when drilling a hole that will
receive a screw? The screw is just over a half inch in diameter.
Drill a 3/8 inch hole for it?

After I get the old gate and post out, I suppose I will put the new
post in, then drill the 2 holes in the post as levelly as possible, by
eye, then drill 2 more holes as levelly as possible, by eye, into the
gate stile, screw in the hinge parts, and hope it doesn't bind after
hanging the gate. Sound about right ? Is this how a
contractor would do it ?

Thanks


If I were doing it I would use this hinge set which is what we used on my
son's gate.
http://www.hooverfence.com/woodfence...trap-hinge.htm

We drilled the bottom hole in the post so that the gate would be 2" off the
ground. Set the gate on that hinge pin with support under it. Then leveled
it and figured out where the top hole in the post should be. Added that
pin, placed the gate strap over that, marked and drilled the hole to attach
the strap.

Yes that sounds harder than measuring, it is also harder to screw up.

Pardon the pun, I like a tight hole. I would drill the holes about 1/8"
less than the diameter of the smaller portion of the screw. A little candle
wax applied to the threads will ease the insertion.

BTW, before you spend a lot of time getting these old ones out, most likely
you will find that a good bit of the thread has rusted away. It isn't worth
the effort to save and reuse them unless your money is really tight.

Colbyt