25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

On 02/08/10 09:10 am, Stranded wrote:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

The unemployed people all went out and bought trucks with snow plows and
signed up to get listed in the Yellow Pages, but the new edition with
their names and numbers hasn't come out yet.

In the meantime, they're all hanging out on the street corner waiting
for you to drive along and hire them. Got enough shovels?

Perce

Stranded wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.
Hmmm,
Blame global warming!!

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:10:52 GMT, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote Re So
Where Are All These Unemployed People?:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here

"here" where?

for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660

"660" what? yards? feet?

and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

Informative post.

Anyway, to answer you question: the unemployed are probably home
watching TV and thinking about who there will vote for in the next
election. Just like always.
--
Work is the curse of the drinking class.

Stranded wrote:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

Many of those unemployed folks have flocked to the states where the
economy is in fairly decent shape, Texas in particular. The apparent
unemployment rate in TX is lower than most states, even though it
appears higher than it really is due to all the unemployed folks
flocking here to find work.

Caesar Romano wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:10:52 GMT, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote Re So
Where Are All These Unemployed People?:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here

"here" where?

for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660

"660" what? yards? feet?


I would assume he meant 66°, 66 degree slope of the driveway.

To insert the degree symbol, press and hold ALT while typing
0176 which makes this " ° "

and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

Informative post.

Anyway, to answer you question: the unemployed are probably home
watching TV and thinking about who there will vote for in the next
election. Just like always.

I have no regular job and I have no problem finding work. There is work
to be done everywhere, my problem is I tend to push myself too hard and
have to spend time recovering. I can't understand someone who will limit
themselves as to what work they will do.

TDD©

On Feb 8, 9:10*am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. *The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. *Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. *Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. *Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. *Death by starvation. *Never thought I'd go out this way.

Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this way.

Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.

Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.

Tony Hwang wrote:
Stranded wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.
Hmmm,
Blame global warming!!

Very well could be. Weather extremes are one symptom.

The Daring Dufas wrote:
Caesar Romano wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:10:52 GMT, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote Re So
Where Are All These Unemployed People?:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here

"here" where?

for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660

"660" what? yards? feet?


I would assume he meant 66°, 66 degree slope of the driveway.


A 66 degree driveway would not be driveable.

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this way.
Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.

Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.

What are you, a princess? Looking for reasons to whine about your
self-created situation instead of doing something about it? Get off
the internet and deal.

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:30:39 -0600, Hell Toupee
wrote:

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this way.
Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.

Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.

What are you, a princess? Looking for reasons to whine about your
self-created situation instead of doing something about it? Get off
the internet and deal.

Was on the phone most of the morning trying to "deal."

Young people don't want to work today; they want someone to take care
of them. And they whine that they're unemployed.

Landscapers advertise "snow removal" in the phone book but it's just a
waste of print.

Bob F wrote:

Tony Hwang wrote:
Stranded wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.
Hmmm,
Blame global warming!!

Very well could be. Weather extremes are one symptom.

If we were actually seeing any weather extremes I might believe that,
however the weather we are seeing now matches nicely with the weather we
saw around 30 years and change ago, and 30 years before that, etc. This
stuff runs in cycles and the current crop of global warming alarmists is
too young and / or has too short an attention span to realize that what
we are seeing now is nothing new.

Bob F wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:
Caesar Romano wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:10:52 GMT, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote Re So
Where Are All These Unemployed People?:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here

"here" where?

for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660

"660" what? yards? feet?


I would assume he meant 66°, 66 degree slope of the driveway.


A 66 degree driveway would not be driveable.

A 66% grade might be, but only to a tracked vehicle.

Stranded wrote:

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this way.

Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.

Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

No, but you can indeed eat the rabbits, squirrels and deer that are
around. If you get snowed in and starve it's due to a lack of survival
skills, not a lack of available food.


Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.

2' of snow simply means 2 to 3 sessions of snow blowing as the snow is
coming down, i.e. 8"-12" at a time. With a decent machine and that
8"-12" depth to move, figure 10 min max per 100' of driveway.

On 02/08/10 10:39 am, Tony Hwang wrote:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

Hmmm,
Blame global warming!!

Nah! The Winter Olympics people accepted the low bid for the phone
system, and the person at the Snow order desk thought they said "DC"
instead of "BC."

Perce

On Feb 8, 12:14*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
"660" what? yards? feet?

I would assume he meant 66°, 66 degree slope of the driveway.

They don't call you The Daring Dufas for nothing.

If you read it the way you ASSUME, it would read "66 degrees AND
STEEP" which would make absolutely no sense, and you'd need an M1A2
Abrams tank to drive down it.

Read "660 feet long and steep," it would make sense.

Feet or yards, doesn't matter at that point. It's a long driveway
either way, and steep.

I can't understand someone who will limit
themselves as to what work they will do.

As long as the government checks keep rolling in, there's no incentive
to NOT limit yourself.

On Feb 8, 1:39*pm, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
Landscapers advertise "snow removal" in the phone book but it's just a
waste of print.

After 24" of snow there aren't too many landscapers looking for new
customers. They're going 24/7 just trying to clear out the customers
they already have.

If you do find a landscaper that isn't busy as hell right now, you
probably don't want him to clear your driveway.

Hell, I doubt if a landscaper could even touch your driveway with a
pickup and blade. He'd just bounce off the snowbank at the end of the
driveway. The farmer would be scooping at that bank for hours just to
get himself off the road. You really need someone with a big 10-
wheeler and a V-plow, or a big tractor and snowblower.

Call your farmer friend and ask him if he knows another farmer with a
cab tractor and a snowblower that might be willing to come dig you
out.

On Feb 8, 1:51*pm, "Pete C." wrote:
2' of snow simply means 2 to 3 sessions of snow blowing as the snow is
coming down, i.e. 8"-12" at a time. With a decent machine and that
8"-12" depth to move, figure 10 min max per 100' of driveway

You assume Stranded could even run a snowblower... He sounds pretty
old, probably in his 70's with the problems any normal 70-something
would have. Most people over 70 have no business running a snowblower
in a typical short 100' suburban driveway, let alone 660' of rural
driveway.

What I find ironic is that he's complaining about a circumstance he
brought upon himself, and blaming it on young people who complain
about circumstances they brought upon themselves.

Yes, you brought it on yourself. You knew that there'd be heavy snows
and that you wouldn't be able to clear the driveway yourself. You knew
that your farmer friend was getting too old to spend hours in the
bitter cold scooping out your driveway. Yet, your pride and silly
emotional attachments kept you from putting a for sale sign out by the
road and moving into town.

That's all well and good, but you had to know that there were risks
involved. One was that you'd get snowed in and not be able to get out.
You knew that there was a chance that this would happen. You've got no
business complaining about it.

"Hell Toupee" wrote in message
...
Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this
way.
Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.

Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.

What are you, a princess? Looking for reasons to whine about your
self-created situation instead of doing something about it? Get off the
internet and deal.



Sure sounds like a girly man...Get off your ass and start
shoveling...Everyone else including the unemployed are doing the same..What
do you think you're the only one that got snowed in ? That the unemployed
got passed over... Jesh , some people...You deserve to go hungry....

On Feb 8, 12:54�pm, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this way.

Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.

Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. �He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.

Try Craigslist.org. People on there begging to plow your drive.

I have a flat 225 ft double wide drive. We got over 15" of snow the
day before yesterday. It was a wet snow it boot. I have a 24" snow
blower. Was done in an hour and no strain, no shoveling.

Hank

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:30:39 -0600, Hell Toupee
wrote:

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this way.
Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.
Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.
What are you, a princess? Looking for reasons to whine about your
self-created situation instead of doing something about it? Get off
the internet and deal.

Was on the phone most of the morning trying to "deal."

Young people don't want to work today; they want someone to take care
of them. And they whine that they're unemployed.

Landscapers advertise "snow removal" in the phone book but it's just a
waste of print.

By 'deal' I meant get *your* butt out the door and start shoveling.
You created the situation by choosing a property with such a driveway.
You should have had a contingency plan in place for when Plan A
(somebody else clears your driveway) fails to execute. Apparently, you
hadn't. Okay, time to grab the shovel and start digging your way out.
Or, put on your boots and walk out. Either approach will get you
further than will griping on the internet about your inability to find
someone else to deal with your problem.

And I would suggest that you acquire one of the following if you plan
on keeping the property: A. a snowblower; B. a truck/plow combination;
C. a snowmobile. Then you'll be prepared if Plan A fails again in the
future.

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:14:08 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote Re So Where Are All These
Unemployed People?:

Anyway, to answer you question: the unemployed are probably home
watching TV and thinking about who there will vote for in the next
election. Just like always.

I have no regular job and I have no problem finding work. There is work
to be done everywhere, my problem is I tend to push myself too hard and
have to spend time recovering. I can't understand someone who will limit
themselves as to what work they will do.

+1 here. BTW, then you are not unemployed. You "work for yourself".
--
Work is the curse of the drinking class.

On 2/8/2010 12:54 PM, Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this way.

Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.

Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.

He did it. Not sure how big his snow thrower is but when I looked out,
his wife was using it and he was shoveling. He's a doctor and probably
had to get to work. His drive is over 700 ft.

My snow thrower is 24 inches and drive is about 90 ft which with walkway
took 45 minutes and tank of gas. Fresh snow was easy to move and I
think I could have done neighbors with my thrower in a few hours.

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:34:41 -0600, Hell Toupee
wrote:

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:30:39 -0600, Hell Toupee
wrote:

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this way.
Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.
Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.
What are you, a princess? Looking for reasons to whine about your
self-created situation instead of doing something about it? Get off
the internet and deal.

Was on the phone most of the morning trying to "deal."

Young people don't want to work today; they want someone to take care
of them. And they whine that they're unemployed.

Landscapers advertise "snow removal" in the phone book but it's just a
waste of print.

By 'deal' I meant get *your* butt out the door and start shoveling.
You created the situation by choosing a property with such a driveway.
You should have had a contingency plan in place for when Plan A
(somebody else clears your driveway) fails to execute. Apparently, you
hadn't. Okay, time to grab the shovel and start digging your way out.
Or, put on your boots and walk out. Either approach will get you
further than will griping on the internet about your inability to find
someone else to deal with your problem.

30-35 years ago, the old lady and I shoveled the driveway. Three of
the snowfalls were in the 20-24" range and it took a week for each
one to complete the job. Sometimes we just kept the vehicle at the
bottom of the hill and walked up to the house. Then we found the
farmer.

Can't shovel like that anymore.

And I would suggest that you acquire one of the following if you plan
on keeping the property: A. a snowblower; B. a truck/plow combination;
C. a snowmobile. Then you'll be prepared if Plan A fails again in the
future.

Would love like hell to have a blade installed on my Chev. Colorado.
But I'm a klutz when it comes to blue collar stuff that you tool heads
are so good at. I'm reading on the Internet about the necessity of
having truck with heavy duty transmission, axle, suspension. I doubt
if a Colorado fits the bill. Then it talks about ballast in the bed,
whatever that means. And hell, those blades have got to be hundreds
of lbs. So you take it off in Spring and just let it fall to the
ground. No way can I dead lift hundreds of lbs. anymore. Didn't
realize a snow blade was so complex.

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:04:58 GMT, stayin@home. (Stranded) stayin@home wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:34:41 -0600, Hell Toupee
wrote:

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:30:39 -0600, Hell Toupee
wrote:

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this way.
Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.
Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.
What are you, a princess? Looking for reasons to whine about your
self-created situation instead of doing something about it? Get off
the internet and deal.

Was on the phone most of the morning trying to "deal."

Young people don't want to work today; they want someone to take care
of them. And they whine that they're unemployed.

Landscapers advertise "snow removal" in the phone book but it's just a
waste of print.

By 'deal' I meant get *your* butt out the door and start shoveling.
You created the situation by choosing a property with such a driveway.
You should have had a contingency plan in place for when Plan A
(somebody else clears your driveway) fails to execute. Apparently, you
hadn't. Okay, time to grab the shovel and start digging your way out.
Or, put on your boots and walk out. Either approach will get you
further than will griping on the internet about your inability to find
someone else to deal with your problem.

30-35 years ago, the old lady and I shoveled the driveway. Three of
the snowfalls were in the 20-24" range and it took a week for each
one to complete the job. Sometimes we just kept the vehicle at the
bottom of the hill and walked up to the house. Then we found the
farmer.

Can't shovel like that anymore.

And I would suggest that you acquire one of the following if you plan
on keeping the property: A. a snowblower; B. a truck/plow combination;
C. a snowmobile. Then you'll be prepared if Plan A fails again in the
future.

Would love like hell to have a blade installed on my Chev. Colorado.
But I'm a klutz when it comes to blue collar stuff that you tool heads
are so good at. I'm reading on the Internet about the necessity of
having truck with heavy duty transmission, axle, suspension. I doubt
if a Colorado fits the bill. Then it talks about ballast in the bed,
whatever that means. And hell, those blades have got to be hundreds
of lbs. So you take it off in Spring and just let it fall to the
ground. No way can I dead lift hundreds of lbs. anymore. Didn't
realize a snow blade was so complex.


If you're that incompetant, you should move to the city.

"Stranded" stayin@home. wrote in message
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On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:34:41 -0600, Hell Toupee
wrote:

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:30:39 -0600, Hell Toupee
wrote:

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow
removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is
660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this
way.
Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.
Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.
What are you, a princess? Looking for reasons to whine about your
self-created situation instead of doing something about it? Get off
the internet and deal.

Was on the phone most of the morning trying to "deal."

Young people don't want to work today; they want someone to take care
of them. And they whine that they're unemployed.

Landscapers advertise "snow removal" in the phone book but it's just a
waste of print.

By 'deal' I meant get *your* butt out the door and start shoveling.
You created the situation by choosing a property with such a driveway.
You should have had a contingency plan in place for when Plan A
(somebody else clears your driveway) fails to execute. Apparently, you
hadn't. Okay, time to grab the shovel and start digging your way out.
Or, put on your boots and walk out. Either approach will get you
further than will griping on the internet about your inability to find
someone else to deal with your problem.

30-35 years ago, the old lady and I shoveled the driveway. Three of
the snowfalls were in the 20-24" range and it took a week for each
one to complete the job. Sometimes we just kept the vehicle at the
bottom of the hill and walked up to the house. Then we found the
farmer.

Can't shovel like that anymore.

And I would suggest that you acquire one of the following if you plan
on keeping the property: A. a snowblower; B. a truck/plow combination;
C. a snowmobile. Then you'll be prepared if Plan A fails again in the
future.

Would love like hell to have a blade installed on my Chev. Colorado.
But I'm a klutz when it comes to blue collar stuff that you tool heads
are so good at. I'm reading on the Internet about the necessity of
having truck with heavy duty transmission, axle, suspension. I doubt
if a Colorado fits the bill. Then it talks about ballast in the bed,
whatever that means. And hell, those blades have got to be hundreds
of lbs. So you take it off in Spring and just let it fall to the
ground. No way can I dead lift hundreds of lbs. anymore. Didn't
realize a snow blade was so complex.



Check out the Home Owner Plows built by SnowBear or Fisher...I have one for
4 years and love it...My snowbear weighs about 300 pounds and will fit any
truck...It uses an electric winch to raise and lower the plow with remote in
thr cab..You do have to angle it by hand but it's a breeze...I LOVE
it...About 1500 bucks....

wrote in message
...
On Feb 8, 1:51 pm, "Pete C." wrote:
2' of snow simply means 2 to 3 sessions of snow blowing as the snow is
coming down, i.e. 8"-12" at a time. With a decent machine and that
8"-12" depth to move, figure 10 min max per 100' of driveway

You assume Stranded could even run a snowblower... He sounds pretty
old, probably in his 70's with the problems any normal 70-something
would have. Most people over 70 have no business running a snowblower
in a typical short 100' suburban driveway, let alone 660' of rural
driveway.

What I find ironic is that he's complaining about a circumstance he
brought upon himself, and blaming it on young people who complain
about circumstances they brought upon themselves.

Yes, you brought it on yourself. You knew that there'd be heavy snows
and that you wouldn't be able to clear the driveway yourself. You knew
that your farmer friend was getting too old to spend hours in the
bitter cold scooping out your driveway. Yet, your pride and silly
emotional attachments kept you from putting a for sale sign out by the
road and moving into town.

That's all well and good, but you had to know that there were risks
involved. One was that you'd get snowed in and not be able to get out.
You knew that there was a chance that this would happen. You've got no
business complaining about it.


My dad is 70 and he runs a snowblower just fine..It is self propelled and
electric start with a cab over it...He opens the garage dooor and goes at
it.No straining at all..You just walk behind it..LOL...

"benick" wrote in message
. ..
"Stranded" stayin@home. wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:34:41 -0600, Hell Toupee
wrote:

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:30:39 -0600, Hell Toupee
wrote:

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank

wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow
removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is
660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called
others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this
way.
Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.
Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.
What are you, a princess? Looking for reasons to whine about your
self-created situation instead of doing something about it? Get off
the internet and deal.

Was on the phone most of the morning trying to "deal."

Young people don't want to work today; they want someone to take care
of them. And they whine that they're unemployed.

Landscapers advertise "snow removal" in the phone book but it's just a
waste of print.

By 'deal' I meant get *your* butt out the door and start shoveling.
You created the situation by choosing a property with such a driveway.
You should have had a contingency plan in place for when Plan A
(somebody else clears your driveway) fails to execute. Apparently, you
hadn't. Okay, time to grab the shovel and start digging your way out.
Or, put on your boots and walk out. Either approach will get you
further than will griping on the internet about your inability to find
someone else to deal with your problem.

30-35 years ago, the old lady and I shoveled the driveway. Three of
the snowfalls were in the 20-24" range and it took a week for each
one to complete the job. Sometimes we just kept the vehicle at the
bottom of the hill and walked up to the house. Then we found the
farmer.

Can't shovel like that anymore.

And I would suggest that you acquire one of the following if you plan
on keeping the property: A. a snowblower; B. a truck/plow combination;
C. a snowmobile. Then you'll be prepared if Plan A fails again in the
future.

Would love like hell to have a blade installed on my Chev. Colorado.
But I'm a klutz when it comes to blue collar stuff that you tool heads
are so good at. I'm reading on the Internet about the necessity of
having truck with heavy duty transmission, axle, suspension. I doubt
if a Colorado fits the bill. Then it talks about ballast in the bed,
whatever that means. And hell, those blades have got to be hundreds
of lbs. So you take it off in Spring and just let it fall to the
ground. No way can I dead lift hundreds of lbs. anymore. Didn't
realize a snow blade was so complex.



Check out the Home Owner Plows built by SnowBear or Fisher...I have one
for 4 years and love it...My snowbear weighs about 300 pounds and will fit
any truck...It uses an electric winch to raise and lower the plow with
remote in thr cab..You do have to angle it by hand but it's a breeze...I
LOVE it...About 1500 bucks....

Forgot to add it sits on a little cart you just wheel up to the truck...No
lifting..

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:20:55 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:




Many of those unemployed folks have flocked to the states where the
economy is in fairly decent shape, Texas in particular. The apparent
unemployment rate in TX is lower than most states, even though it
appears higher than it really is due to all the unemployed folks
flocking here to find work.

Correct. The report I read said the umemployment rate was up to 8.3%
(from 8.0) but 62,000 jobs had been added. The only way that can
happen is more folks moving in than jobs created.

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
Caesar Romano wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:10:52 GMT, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote Re So
Where Are All These Unemployed People?:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here

"here" where?

for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660

"660" what? yards? feet?


I would assume he meant 66°, 66 degree slope of the driveway.

To insert the degree symbol, press and hold ALT while typing
0176 which makes this " ° "

and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

Informative post.

Anyway, to answer you question: the unemployed are probably home
watching TV and thinking about who there will vote for in the next
election. Just like always.

I have no regular job and I have no problem finding work. There is work
to be done everywhere, my problem is I tend to push myself too hard and
have to spend time recovering. I can't understand someone who will limit
themselves as to what work they will do.

TDD©

It's quite simple if you ponder it.

Everyone wants a job, but no one wants to work.

wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:20:55 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:




Many of those unemployed folks have flocked to the states where the
economy is in fairly decent shape, Texas in particular. The apparent
unemployment rate in TX is lower than most states, even though it
appears higher than it really is due to all the unemployed folks
flocking here to find work.

Correct. The report I read said the umemployment rate was up to 8.3%
(from 8.0) but 62,000 jobs had been added. The only way that can
happen is more folks moving in than jobs created.

It's government math. The those capable of working but who have given up
looking for work are not counted amongst the "unemployed."

benick wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Feb 8, 1:51 pm, "Pete C." wrote:
2' of snow simply means 2 to 3 sessions of snow blowing as the snow is
coming down, i.e. 8"-12" at a time. With a decent machine and that
8"-12" depth to move, figure 10 min max per 100' of driveway

You assume Stranded could even run a snowblower... He sounds pretty
old, probably in his 70's with the problems any normal 70-something
would have. Most people over 70 have no business running a snowblower
in a typical short 100' suburban driveway, let alone 660' of rural
driveway.

What I find ironic is that he's complaining about a circumstance he
brought upon himself, and blaming it on young people who complain
about circumstances they brought upon themselves.

Yes, you brought it on yourself. You knew that there'd be heavy snows
and that you wouldn't be able to clear the driveway yourself. You knew
that your farmer friend was getting too old to spend hours in the
bitter cold scooping out your driveway. Yet, your pride and silly
emotional attachments kept you from putting a for sale sign out by the
road and moving into town.

That's all well and good, but you had to know that there were risks
involved. One was that you'd get snowed in and not be able to get out.
You knew that there was a chance that this would happen. You've got no
business complaining about it.

My dad is 70 and he runs a snowblower just fine..It is self propelled and
electric start with a cab over it...He opens the garage dooor and goes at
it.No straining at all..You just walk behind it..LOL...

I certainly disagree about moving into the city.

However, having a backup snow clearing plan such as a decent lawn
tractor with snowblower attachment and cab would certainly be a
reasonable thing. 660' is not that far and even at 70 driving a lawn
tractor with a cab shouldn't be too strenuous.

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:19:44 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Everyone wants a job, but no one wants to work.


Don't mention "job" or "work". I break out in hives.

Stranded wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

Ask around to learn if there's a day-labor center near you. Most towns have
one, and you might be able to put a little crew together to shovel you out,
assuming you can find shovels. Your driveway sounds like mine, except
shorter. I own a Bobcat, but it only has a bucket, not a plow. Of course,
I'm in the north where plows are everywhere. I've had the same guy do my
basic driveway for years now, and then I go out and clean up with the
Bobcat. If the plow guy is away, he always has someone to cover for him.

Everything seems upside-down this year. We've had snow, but not a lot of
it, and normally-warmer places have been colder than here.

Your problem is that you need food. Can you get a store to deliver where
you are? Around here, the Stop&Shop chain does, and maybe you could get it
to the bottom of your driveway. Rig up a sled of some sort and go get it.

good luck.

Keith



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wrote:
On Feb 8, 12:14 pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
"660" what? yards? feet?
I would assume he meant 66°, 66 degree slope of the driveway.

They don't call you The Daring Dufas for nothing.

If you read it the way you ASSUME, it would read "66 degrees AND
STEEP" which would make absolutely no sense, and you'd need an M1A2
Abrams tank to drive down it.

Read "660 feet long and steep," it would make sense.

Feet or yards, doesn't matter at that point. It's a long driveway
either way, and steep.

I can't understand someone who will limit
themselves as to what work they will do.

As long as the government checks keep rolling in, there's no incentive
to NOT limit yourself.

Gawd! People fail to see the humor......

TDD

Staying home collecting Obama checks.

Phisherman wrote:
Staying home collecting Obama checks.

Where my check be at?

TDD

"K" wrote in message
...
..

Your problem is that you need food. Can you get a store to deliver where
you are? Around here, the Stop&Shop chain does, and maybe you could get
it to the bottom of your driveway. Rig up a sled of some sort and go get
it.


Yup. Netgrocer.com. Fedex next day. Or...if you're like normal people, call
a local food store and ask for delivery. If you really can't manage to clear
a shovel's width to the road you absolutely MUST have a main plan and a
backup for clearing snow. Failing that, move into an apt or other place that
does the upkeep for you. How did you manage to live this long?