25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

On 02/08/10 09:10 am, Stranded wrote:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

The unemployed people all went out and bought trucks with snow plows and
signed up to get listed in the Yellow Pages, but the new edition with
their names and numbers hasn't come out yet.

In the meantime, they're all hanging out on the street corner waiting
for you to drive along and hire them. Got enough shovels?

Perce

Stranded wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.
Hmmm,
Blame global warming!!

Tony Hwang wrote:
Stranded wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.
Hmmm,
Blame global warming!!

Very well could be. Weather extremes are one symptom.

Bob F wrote:

Tony Hwang wrote:
Stranded wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.
Hmmm,
Blame global warming!!

Very well could be. Weather extremes are one symptom.

If we were actually seeing any weather extremes I might believe that,
however the weather we are seeing now matches nicely with the weather we
saw around 30 years and change ago, and 30 years before that, etc. This
stuff runs in cycles and the current crop of global warming alarmists is
too young and / or has too short an attention span to realize that what
we are seeing now is nothing new.

Pete C. wrote:

Bob F wrote:

Tony Hwang wrote:
Stranded wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.
Hmmm,
Blame global warming!!

Very well could be. Weather extremes are one symptom.

If we were actually seeing any weather extremes I might believe that,
however the weather we are seeing now matches nicely with the weather we
saw around 30 years and change ago, and 30 years before that, etc. This
stuff runs in cycles and the current crop of global warming alarmists is
too young and / or has too short an attention span to realize that what
we are seeing now is nothing new.
Hi,
May I ask how old you are?
All I know is during summer I can't see any snow caps on the Rockies
which were there even 20 years ago. Columbia Ice field is retreating
like crazy even you young guy like me can notice. I had to install
central air couple years ago. Korea experienced coldest/snowy winter
in 60 years.

Tony Hwang wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Bob F wrote:

Tony Hwang wrote:
Stranded wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.
Hmmm,
Blame global warming!!

Very well could be. Weather extremes are one symptom.

If we were actually seeing any weather extremes I might believe that,
however the weather we are seeing now matches nicely with the weather we
saw around 30 years and change ago, and 30 years before that, etc. This
stuff runs in cycles and the current crop of global warming alarmists is
too young and / or has too short an attention span to realize that what
we are seeing now is nothing new.
Hi,
May I ask how old you are?

40.

All I know is during summer I can't see any snow caps on the Rockies
which were there even 20 years ago. Columbia Ice field is retreating
like crazy even you young guy like me can notice. I had to install
central air couple years ago. Korea experienced coldest/snowy winter
in 60 years.

The earth does not stay static for our convenience, it continues to go
through it's normal cycles and changes whether we like it or not.

Or, they figure the rest of us have a short attention span.
If we had short attention span, we'd do things like sending
incompete

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Pete C." wrote in message
ter.com...

If we were actually seeing any weather extremes I might
believe that,
however the weather we are seeing now matches nicely with
the weather we
saw around 30 years and change ago, and 30 years before
that, etc. This
stuff runs in cycles and the current crop of global warming
alarmists is
too young and / or has too short an attention span to
realize that what
we are seeing now is nothing new.

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:15:01 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote:

Tony Hwang wrote:
Stranded wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.
Hmmm,
Blame global warming!!

Very well could be. Weather extremes are one symptom.

Uh, temps are 10 degrees below normal where this snow is blasting.

On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:47:55 GMT, hereiam@home. (* U S *) wrote:

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:15:01 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote:

Tony Hwang wrote:
Stranded wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.
Hmmm,
Blame global warming!!

Very well could be. Weather extremes are one symptom.

Uh, temps are 10 degrees below normal where this snow is blasting.

That's why it's now called Climate Change instead of Gloal Warming.
Too many stupid people think that Global Warming means that it will
always be warmer and never get cold or snow again. "Oh wow, it's cold,
so much for global warming!"

Most of us learned that heat is energy and that more energy in the
atmosphere means more extreme events. And yes, over all, higher
average temperatures. Maybe not where you are right now. Where I am
right now we're getting another big snow storm.

In article ,
dgk wrote:
ptom.

Uh, temps are 10 degrees below normal where this snow is blasting.

That's why it's now called Climate Change instead of Gloal Warming.
Too many stupid people think that Global Warming means that it will
always be warmer and never get cold or snow again. "Oh wow, it's cold,
so much for global warming!"

Most of us learned that heat is energy and that more energy in the
atmosphere means more extreme events. And yes, over all, higher
average temperatures. Maybe not where you are right now. Where I am
right now we're getting another big snow storm.

We've also learned that the best way to get away from people asking
questions is to incorporate it into the "theory". ANYTHING that happens
is part of the problem. Real convenient.

--
I get off on '57 Chevys
I get off on screamin' guitars
--Eric Clapton

"dgk" wrote in message
...

That's why it's now called Climate Change instead of Gloal Warming.
Too many stupid people think that Global Warming means that it will
always be warmer and never get cold or snow again. "Oh wow, it's cold,
so much for global warming!"

Most of us learned that heat is energy and that more energy in the
atmosphere means more extreme events. And yes, over all, higher
average temperatures. Maybe not where you are right now. Where I am
right now we're getting another big snow storm.

Yup. I'm where it's not snowing, although it "normally" would be. We've
gotten less than 2 inches total from both storms, and the temps are in the
high 20s. "Normal" for my neck of the woods is at least 6 inches a week and
single digits at this time of the year. Everyone south of us is much colder
and much deeper in snow. Been like this for several years now. Certainly not
the weather we had 30-40 years ago. It's certainly not a "normal" weather
cycle like some other poster was positing. When I was a kid we had snow in
November and it was up over the windows by January and we didn't see grass
until April. We regularly had temps of -20F (not including wind chill) or
colder for days at a time. This year we've barely dipped below 0 and most of
the snow melted (lawn is mostly grass) weeks ago. We got a dusting this
morning, but it will be up above freezing soon, so it will melt again. Very
odd winters the past few years. Love it, though.

dgk wrote:

That's why it's now called Climate Change instead of Gloal Warming.
Too many stupid people think that Global Warming means that it will
always be warmer and never get cold or snow again. "Oh wow, it's cold,
so much for global warming!"

Most of us learned that heat is energy and that more energy in the
atmosphere means more extreme events. And yes, over all, higher
average temperatures. Maybe not where you are right now. Where I am
right now we're getting another big snow storm.

More heat equals greater extremes? By what law of nature, thermodynamics,
God, man, or physics can that possibly be?

If I add heat to a pan of water I can get ice?

Global warming = more severe winters is a scientific fiction.

On 02/08/10 10:39 am, Tony Hwang wrote:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

Hmmm,
Blame global warming!!

Nah! The Winter Olympics people accepted the low bid for the phone
system, and the person at the Snow order desk thought they said "DC"
instead of "BC."

Perce

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:10:52 GMT, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote Re So
Where Are All These Unemployed People?:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here

"here" where?

for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660

"660" what? yards? feet?

and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

Informative post.

Anyway, to answer you question: the unemployed are probably home
watching TV and thinking about who there will vote for in the next
election. Just like always.
--
Work is the curse of the drinking class.

Caesar Romano wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:10:52 GMT, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote Re So
Where Are All These Unemployed People?:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here

"here" where?

for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660

"660" what? yards? feet?


I would assume he meant 66°, 66 degree slope of the driveway.

To insert the degree symbol, press and hold ALT while typing
0176 which makes this " ° "

and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

Informative post.

Anyway, to answer you question: the unemployed are probably home
watching TV and thinking about who there will vote for in the next
election. Just like always.

I have no regular job and I have no problem finding work. There is work
to be done everywhere, my problem is I tend to push myself too hard and
have to spend time recovering. I can't understand someone who will limit
themselves as to what work they will do.

TDD©

The Daring Dufas wrote:
Caesar Romano wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:10:52 GMT, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote Re So
Where Are All These Unemployed People?:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here

"here" where?

for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660

"660" what? yards? feet?


I would assume he meant 66°, 66 degree slope of the driveway.


A 66 degree driveway would not be driveable.

Bob F wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:
Caesar Romano wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:10:52 GMT, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote Re So
Where Are All These Unemployed People?:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here

"here" where?

for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660

"660" what? yards? feet?


I would assume he meant 66°, 66 degree slope of the driveway.


A 66 degree driveway would not be driveable.

A 66% grade might be, but only to a tracked vehicle.

On Feb 8, 12:14*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
"660" what? yards? feet?

I would assume he meant 66°, 66 degree slope of the driveway.

They don't call you The Daring Dufas for nothing.

If you read it the way you ASSUME, it would read "66 degrees AND
STEEP" which would make absolutely no sense, and you'd need an M1A2
Abrams tank to drive down it.

Read "660 feet long and steep," it would make sense.

Feet or yards, doesn't matter at that point. It's a long driveway
either way, and steep.

I can't understand someone who will limit
themselves as to what work they will do.

As long as the government checks keep rolling in, there's no incentive
to NOT limit yourself.

wrote:
On Feb 8, 12:14 pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
"660" what? yards? feet?
I would assume he meant 66°, 66 degree slope of the driveway.

They don't call you The Daring Dufas for nothing.

If you read it the way you ASSUME, it would read "66 degrees AND
STEEP" which would make absolutely no sense, and you'd need an M1A2
Abrams tank to drive down it.

Read "660 feet long and steep," it would make sense.

Feet or yards, doesn't matter at that point. It's a long driveway
either way, and steep.

I can't understand someone who will limit
themselves as to what work they will do.

As long as the government checks keep rolling in, there's no incentive
to NOT limit yourself.

Gawd! People fail to see the humor......

TDD

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:14:08 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote Re So Where Are All These
Unemployed People?:

Anyway, to answer you question: the unemployed are probably home
watching TV and thinking about who there will vote for in the next
election. Just like always.

I have no regular job and I have no problem finding work. There is work
to be done everywhere, my problem is I tend to push myself too hard and
have to spend time recovering. I can't understand someone who will limit
themselves as to what work they will do.

+1 here. BTW, then you are not unemployed. You "work for yourself".
--
Work is the curse of the drinking class.

Everyone wants a job, but no one wants to work.

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:19:44 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote:

Everyone wants a job, but no one wants to work.


Don't mention "job" or "work". I break out in hives.

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
Caesar Romano wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:10:52 GMT, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote Re So
Where Are All These Unemployed People?:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here

"here" where?

for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660

"660" what? yards? feet?


I would assume he meant 66°, 66 degree slope of the driveway.

To insert the degree symbol, press and hold ALT while typing
0176 which makes this " ° "

and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

Informative post.

Anyway, to answer you question: the unemployed are probably home
watching TV and thinking about who there will vote for in the next
election. Just like always.

I have no regular job and I have no problem finding work. There is work
to be done everywhere, my problem is I tend to push myself too hard and
have to spend time recovering. I can't understand someone who will limit
themselves as to what work they will do.

TDD©

It's quite simple if you ponder it.

Stranded wrote:

25" of snow Saturday. The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. Death by starvation. Never thought I'd go out this way.

Many of those unemployed folks have flocked to the states where the
economy is in fairly decent shape, Texas in particular. The apparent
unemployment rate in TX is lower than most states, even though it
appears higher than it really is due to all the unemployed folks
flocking here to find work.

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:20:55 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:




Many of those unemployed folks have flocked to the states where the
economy is in fairly decent shape, Texas in particular. The apparent
unemployment rate in TX is lower than most states, even though it
appears higher than it really is due to all the unemployed folks
flocking here to find work.

Correct. The report I read said the umemployment rate was up to 8.3%
(from 8.0) but 62,000 jobs had been added. The only way that can
happen is more folks moving in than jobs created.

wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:20:55 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:




Many of those unemployed folks have flocked to the states where the
economy is in fairly decent shape, Texas in particular. The apparent
unemployment rate in TX is lower than most states, even though it
appears higher than it really is due to all the unemployed folks
flocking here to find work.

Correct. The report I read said the umemployment rate was up to 8.3%
(from 8.0) but 62,000 jobs had been added. The only way that can
happen is more folks moving in than jobs created.

It's government math. The those capable of working but who have given up
looking for work are not counted amongst the "unemployed."

On Feb 8, 5:43*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:20:55 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:

Many of those unemployed folks have flocked to the states where the
economy is in fairly decent shape, Texas in particular. The apparent
unemployment rate in TX is lower than most states, even though it
appears higher than it really is due to all the unemployed folks
flocking here to find work.

Correct. The report I read said the umemployment rate was up to 8.3%
(from 8.0) but 62,000 jobs had been added. The only way that can
happen is more folks moving in than jobs created.

It's government math. The those capable of working but who have given up
looking for work are not counted amongst the "unemployed."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Neither are those who are working part time or flipping burgers with
masters degrees. Funny how some people were all too willing to count
those when the unemployment rate showed 5% but totally ignore them
when they are in control and the unemployment is 10%.

BobR wrote:
On Feb 8, 5:43 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:20:55 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:
Many of those unemployed folks have flocked to the states where the
economy is in fairly decent shape, Texas in particular. The apparent
unemployment rate in TX is lower than most states, even though it
appears higher than it really is due to all the unemployed folks
flocking here to find work.
Correct. The report I read said the umemployment rate was up to 8.3%
(from 8.0) but 62,000 jobs had been added. The only way that can
happen is more folks moving in than jobs created.
It's government math. The those capable of working but who have given up
looking for work are not counted amongst the "unemployed."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Neither are those who are working part time or flipping burgers with
masters degrees. Funny how some people were all too willing to count
those when the unemployment rate showed 5% but totally ignore them
when they are in control and the unemployment is 10%.

Nobody actually flips burgers any more- they have droids that do that.
All the human has to do is load the hockey pucks in the hopper, and
assemble the burgers at the other end. Saves on training and insurance.
Lean over and look at the register next time you buy junk food. Around
here, half the registers have pictures instead of numbers....

--
aem sends...

On 02/08/10 06:43 pm, HeyBub wrote:

Many of those unemployed folks have flocked to the states where the
economy is in fairly decent shape, Texas in particular. The apparent
unemployment rate in TX is lower than most states, even though it
appears higher than it really is due to all the unemployed folks
flocking here to find work.

Correct. The report I read said the umemployment rate was up to 8.3%
(from 8.0) but 62,000 jobs had been added. The only way that can
happen is more folks moving in than jobs created.

It's government math. The those capable of working but who have given up
looking for work are not counted amongst the "unemployed."

I'm sure the statistics were much more accurate in UK and Australia when
the unemployed had to register with the govt-run employment agency to
get their unemployment benefits, keep reporting back every so often, and
show evidence of having applied for the jobs that appeared to be a good
fit. Of course the unemployed were encouraged to look for work through
other channels as well.

If there is a period after which person can no longer collect
unemployment benefits, how does anybody know that that person is still
unemployed?

Perce

On Feb 8, 9:10*am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. *The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. *Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. *Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. *Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. *Death by starvation. *Never thought I'd go out this way.

Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this way.

Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.

Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this way.
Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.

Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.

What are you, a princess? Looking for reasons to whine about your
self-created situation instead of doing something about it? Get off
the internet and deal.

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:30:39 -0600, Hell Toupee
wrote:

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this way.
Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.

Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.

What are you, a princess? Looking for reasons to whine about your
self-created situation instead of doing something about it? Get off
the internet and deal.

Was on the phone most of the morning trying to "deal."

Young people don't want to work today; they want someone to take care
of them. And they whine that they're unemployed.

Landscapers advertise "snow removal" in the phone book but it's just a
waste of print.

On Feb 8, 1:39*pm, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
Landscapers advertise "snow removal" in the phone book but it's just a
waste of print.

After 24" of snow there aren't too many landscapers looking for new
customers. They're going 24/7 just trying to clear out the customers
they already have.

If you do find a landscaper that isn't busy as hell right now, you
probably don't want him to clear your driveway.

Hell, I doubt if a landscaper could even touch your driveway with a
pickup and blade. He'd just bounce off the snowbank at the end of the
driveway. The farmer would be scooping at that bank for hours just to
get himself off the road. You really need someone with a big 10-
wheeler and a V-plow, or a big tractor and snowblower.

Call your farmer friend and ask him if he knows another farmer with a
cab tractor and a snowblower that might be willing to come dig you
out.

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:30:39 -0600, Hell Toupee
wrote:

Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this way.
Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.
Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.
What are you, a princess? Looking for reasons to whine about your
self-created situation instead of doing something about it? Get off
the internet and deal.

Was on the phone most of the morning trying to "deal."

Young people don't want to work today; they want someone to take care
of them. And they whine that they're unemployed.

Landscapers advertise "snow removal" in the phone book but it's just a
waste of print.

By 'deal' I meant get *your* butt out the door and start shoveling.
You created the situation by choosing a property with such a driveway.
You should have had a contingency plan in place for when Plan A
(somebody else clears your driveway) fails to execute. Apparently, you
hadn't. Okay, time to grab the shovel and start digging your way out.
Or, put on your boots and walk out. Either approach will get you
further than will griping on the internet about your inability to find
someone else to deal with your problem.

And I would suggest that you acquire one of the following if you plan
on keeping the property: A. a snowblower; B. a truck/plow combination;
C. a snowmobile. Then you'll be prepared if Plan A fails again in the
future.

"Hell Toupee" wrote in message
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Stranded wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this
way.
Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.

Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.

What are you, a princess? Looking for reasons to whine about your
self-created situation instead of doing something about it? Get off the
internet and deal.



Sure sounds like a girly man...Get off your ass and start
shoveling...Everyone else including the unemployed are doing the same..What
do you think you're the only one that got snowed in ? That the unemployed
got passed over... Jesh , some people...You deserve to go hungry....

Stranded wrote:

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:23:47 -0800 (PST), Frank
wrote:

On Feb 8, 9:10=A0am, stayin@home. (Stranded) wrote:
25" of snow Saturday. =A0The farmer who has been handling snow removal
here for the past 33 years didn't even attempt it. =A0Driveway is 660
and steep but he has tackled this much snow before. =A0Called others
from the Yellow Pages, no dice. =A0Another foot of snow expected
Tues.-Wed. =A0Death by starvation. =A0Never thought I'd go out this way.

Me and most of my neighborhood were all set for the snow with snow
throwers and generators.
Neighbor in back, with drive longer than yours, did it with a snow
thrower and we had just as much snow as you.

Oh I have a whole house Kohler generator but power from the elec. co.
wasn't interrupted -- this time.

But you can't eat propane.

No, but you can indeed eat the rabbits, squirrels and deer that are
around. If you get snowed in and starve it's due to a lack of survival
skills, not a lack of available food.


Can't imagine anyone doing a real long drive with a walk behind snow
thrower especially with 2 ft. of snow. He must have a huge machine
and probably had to refill his tank a dozen times.

2' of snow simply means 2 to 3 sessions of snow blowing as the snow is
coming down, i.e. 8"-12" at a time. With a decent machine and that
8"-12" depth to move, figure 10 min max per 100' of driveway.

On Feb 8, 1:51*pm, "Pete C." wrote:
2' of snow simply means 2 to 3 sessions of snow blowing as the snow is
coming down, i.e. 8"-12" at a time. With a decent machine and that
8"-12" depth to move, figure 10 min max per 100' of driveway

You assume Stranded could even run a snowblower... He sounds pretty
old, probably in his 70's with the problems any normal 70-something
would have. Most people over 70 have no business running a snowblower
in a typical short 100' suburban driveway, let alone 660' of rural
driveway.

What I find ironic is that he's complaining about a circumstance he
brought upon himself, and blaming it on young people who complain
about circumstances they brought upon themselves.

Yes, you brought it on yourself. You knew that there'd be heavy snows
and that you wouldn't be able to clear the driveway yourself. You knew
that your farmer friend was getting too old to spend hours in the
bitter cold scooping out your driveway. Yet, your pride and silly
emotional attachments kept you from putting a for sale sign out by the
road and moving into town.

That's all well and good, but you had to know that there were risks
involved. One was that you'd get snowed in and not be able to get out.
You knew that there was a chance that this would happen. You've got no
business complaining about it.

wrote in message
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On Feb 8, 1:51 pm, "Pete C." wrote:
2' of snow simply means 2 to 3 sessions of snow blowing as the snow is
coming down, i.e. 8"-12" at a time. With a decent machine and that
8"-12" depth to move, figure 10 min max per 100' of driveway

You assume Stranded could even run a snowblower... He sounds pretty
old, probably in his 70's with the problems any normal 70-something
would have. Most people over 70 have no business running a snowblower
in a typical short 100' suburban driveway, let alone 660' of rural
driveway.

What I find ironic is that he's complaining about a circumstance he
brought upon himself, and blaming it on young people who complain
about circumstances they brought upon themselves.

Yes, you brought it on yourself. You knew that there'd be heavy snows
and that you wouldn't be able to clear the driveway yourself. You knew
that your farmer friend was getting too old to spend hours in the
bitter cold scooping out your driveway. Yet, your pride and silly
emotional attachments kept you from putting a for sale sign out by the
road and moving into town.

That's all well and good, but you had to know that there were risks
involved. One was that you'd get snowed in and not be able to get out.
You knew that there was a chance that this would happen. You've got no
business complaining about it.


My dad is 70 and he runs a snowblower just fine..It is self propelled and
electric start with a cab over it...He opens the garage dooor and goes at
it.No straining at all..You just walk behind it..LOL...