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Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have
always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. |
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On 12/20/2009 6:34 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. My Subaru's call for first oil change at 3,000 miles and every 7,500 there after. I don't think there is a standard and don't think there is a "break in oil" per se but during the break in period there is more metallic particle built up in the oil as the engine parts wear to fit which would warrant early oil change. Tolerances should be better today and there should be less wear. Personally, I'd probably make the first oil change at half the manual recommendation. Can't hurt and may help. |
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On Dec 20, 5:34*pm, Metspitzer wrote:
Do new cars still come with break in oil? *Did they ever? *I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. My lawnmower said to do the first oil change at a few hours, but it has no oil filter to catch any metal shavings left from making it. Cars have good filters, maybe 70 years ago they didnt. I dont know if it matters, some even come with Mobil 1 synthetic now new. |
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Metspitzer wrote:
Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. It is no longer 1950. The oil in the engine is the same as you'd use at any time. I tend to change the first time at 4 to 5000 rather than the 7500 normally I use and I do take it easy for the first 1000 miles. I got a new car last Satuday and I've not gone above 4000 rpm or 75 mph yet, but I only have 570 miles so far. In a few weeks I'll wind it up. This new Sonata V-6 has 15HP more than my old car with the same engine. The rated top speed is 134 mph but the most I've done was 115 in the old one . Maybe I'll go for it in this one. If you follow the recommendations of the oil change places and change at 3000 miles, you are wasting money. Unless, of course, you only drive that many miles a year. Don't belive them that you need the transmission flush either. Follow the book, not the dealer or Jiffy Lube type of place. They are interested in making money, not helping you. |
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That's profound advice. I've heard that transmission flush
are typically not useful, and may be harmful. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... Don't belive them that you need the transmission flush either. Follow the book, not the dealer or Jiffy Lube type of place. They are interested in making money, not helping you. |
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"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
... That's profound advice. I've heard that transmission flush are typically not useful, and may be harmful. That's why Jiffy Lube doesn't do the transmission flush. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiCAJ8ULnaI |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer
wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? Some do most, I believe don't. I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I don't know if the auto manufacturers ever recommended that, but it is a common recommendation. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. That is becoming the norm. In your dad's day (that would likely be my day) they often recommended a short oil change for a new car. Today engines and oils are a lot different. It is best to check your owner's manual and follow the instructions given to you by the guys who really know and are not guessing. |
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"Metspitzer" wrote in message ... Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. Years ago the factory shipped the cars in with a very light engine oil. You were instructed to drive the car at a very low speed for X amount of miles then gradually raise the speed on the car. After a short period of time you were told to change the oil to a normal viscosity. Reason for this was that the factory couldn't maintain the close tolerances of engine parts like they can today. On your first engine oil change on the older cars you could actually feel metal that wore away mixed in with the oil. In todays cars the only limitation the factory wants you to maintain is not to make any jack rabbit starts at the beginning so that all the moving parts can settle in. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:36:22 -0500, Sanity wrote:
Years ago the factory shipped the cars in with a very light engine oil. You were instructed to drive the car at a very low speed for X amount of miles then gradually raise the speed on the car. For '70s stuff I was always told just not to stress the engine - there was no real need to limit peak rpm or speed (within reasonable limits), just not to put too much load on the engine. I think it was oil change at 500 miles, then another at 1500, then normal cycle after that. I don't think that's been true on new-from-factory cars for decades, though (they'll do all the necessary running-in there before delivery, presumably to avoid the unwary taking delivery of the car and blowing the engine) - but presumably still applies to modern rebuilt engines. On your first engine oil change on the older cars you could actually feel metal that wore away mixed in with the oil. Yeah - I was used to there being a little magnet in the sump drain plug, and this'd come out first time with a big column of swarf on it... cheers Jules |
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"Metspitzer" wrote in message
... I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. That's the only answer which matters, since it applies to your actual car. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer
wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. Cars in the past came with a special break-in oil - and needed it - and needed it changed early, but not too early. Today's engines have much finer finish tollerances and are basically "broken in" when they are first assembled. VERY little initial wear occurs - VERY little metal ends up in the oil at the first change.. Current wisdom in regards to break-in procedure is "jump in and drive it like you stole it" |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer
wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. You've already answered your own question. Why do you ask a question to this group when you will probably get half of the respondents with the wrong answer and the other half may just be guessing? Not that it makes any difference to your situation but my car, not a Honda, needed its break-in oil changed at 1200 miles. This was not a ploy to get more money from the buyer because all maintenance for the first four years, or 50K miles, was included. Gordon Shumway Our Constitution needs to be used less as a shield for the guilty and more as a sword for the victim. |
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"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message
... On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. You've already answered your own question. Why do you ask a question to this group when you will probably get half of the respondents with the wrong answer and the other half may just be guessing? Not that it makes any difference to your situation but my car, not a Honda, needed its break-in oil changed at 1200 miles. What model & year Honda? |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:46:42 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Gordon Shumway" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. You've already answered your own question. Why do you ask a question to this group when you will probably get half of the respondents with the wrong answer and the other half may just be guessing? Not that it makes any difference to your situation but my car, not a Honda, needed its break-in oil changed at 1200 miles. What model & year Honda? What part of "not a Honda" didn't you understand? Gordon Shumway Our Constitution needs to be used less as a shield for the guilty and more as a sword for the victim. |
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"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message
... On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:46:42 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gordon Shumway" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. You've already answered your own question. Why do you ask a question to this group when you will probably get half of the respondents with the wrong answer and the other half may just be guessing? Not that it makes any difference to your situation but my car, not a Honda, needed its break-in oil changed at 1200 miles. What model & year Honda? What part of "not a Honda" didn't you understand? Sorry. Read too fast. What make, model and year? |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:00:25 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Gordon Shumway" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:46:42 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Gordon Shumway" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. You've already answered your own question. Why do you ask a question to this group when you will probably get half of the respondents with the wrong answer and the other half may just be guessing? Not that it makes any difference to your situation but my car, not a Honda, needed its break-in oil changed at 1200 miles. What model & year Honda? What part of "not a Honda" didn't you understand? Sorry. Read too fast. What make, model and year? 2006 BMW M3 Gordon Shumway Our Constitution needs to be used less as a shield for the guilty and more as a sword for the victim. |
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"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. You've already answered your own question. Why do you ask a question to this group when you will probably get half of the respondents with the wrong answer and the other half may just be guessing? snip Gordon Shumway That's probably true for most of the questions asked. It just does a good to hear the varying range of opinions and the reasons behind them, if there is one. It's one of the reasons that I come here. No flame intended, Gordon. Later, Chuck |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer wrote:
Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. If you're bright enough to know this is off topic, why the **** aren't you bright enough to locate rec.autos.tech? |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:24:34 -0600, AZ Nomad
wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. If you're bright enough to know this is off topic, why the **** aren't you bright enough to locate rec.autos.tech? Does that group offer support for the Yugo?!* Last I looked the Yugo group was missing from servers... * http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-conte...px-go_yugo.jpg |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:45:51 -0800, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:24:34 -0600, AZ Nomad wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. If you're bright enough to know this is off topic, why the **** aren't you bright enough to locate rec.autos.tech? Does that group offer support for the Yugo?!* Last I looked the Yugo group was missing from servers... * http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-conte...px-go_yugo.jpg You could always try alt.religion.autos.yugo it's still on Newsguy. Why, I don't know... Gordon Shumway Our Constitution needs to be used less as a shield for the guilty and more as a sword for the victim. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:57:29 -0600, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:45:51 -0800, Oren wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:24:34 -0600, AZ Nomad wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. If you're bright enough to know this is off topic, why the **** aren't you bright enough to locate rec.autos.tech? Does that group offer support for the Yugo?!* Last I looked the Yugo group was missing from servers... * http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-conte...px-go_yugo.jpg You could always try alt.religion.autos.yugo it's still on Newsguy. Why, I don't know... There's also rec.autos.makers.yugo. It must suck not to know how to use a newsreader to search for groups. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:29:29 -0600, AZ Nomad
wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:57:29 -0600, Gordon Shumway wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:45:51 -0800, Oren wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:24:34 -0600, AZ Nomad wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. If you're bright enough to know this is off topic, why the **** aren't you bright enough to locate rec.autos.tech? Does that group offer support for the Yugo?!* Last I looked the Yugo group was missing from servers... * http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-conte...px-go_yugo.jpg You could always try alt.religion.autos.yugo it's still on Newsguy. Why, I don't know... There's also rec.autos.makers.yugo. It must suck not to know how to use a newsreader to search for groups. It really sucks when a free server drops Yugo groups. -- "Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly." |
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"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
... On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:57:29 -0600, Gordon Shumway wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:45:51 -0800, Oren wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:24:34 -0600, AZ Nomad wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. If you're bright enough to know this is off topic, why the **** aren't you bright enough to locate rec.autos.tech? Does that group offer support for the Yugo?!* Last I looked the Yugo group was missing from servers... * http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-conte...px-go_yugo.jpg You could always try alt.religion.autos.yugo it's still on Newsguy. Why, I don't know... There's also rec.autos.makers.yugo. It must suck not to know how to use a newsreader to search for groups. Fortunately, the presence of OT messages has absolutely no effect on you that you can discern. |
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Oren wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:24:34 -0600, AZ Nomad wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. If you're bright enough to know this is off topic, why the **** aren't you bright enough to locate rec.autos.tech? Does that group offer support for the Yugo?!* Last I looked the Yugo group was missing from servers... * http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-conte...px-go_yugo.jpg No wonder Yugo went under, the darn steering wheel's on the wrong side! TDD |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:27:52 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote:
No wonder Yugo went under, the darn steering wheel's on the wrong side! :-) Now who was it who offered a car in both LHD and RHD - the 'conversion' for RHD being a sprocket and chain system from the right side of the car to a chopped steering mechanism on the left, so that all the existing linkages could be retained? My brain wants to say AMC, but it must have been 20 years ago now that I saw the setup. cheers Jules |
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"Jules" wrote in message
news On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:27:52 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote: No wonder Yugo went under, the darn steering wheel's on the wrong side! :-) Now who was it who offered a car in both LHD and RHD - the 'conversion' for RHD being a sprocket and chain system from the right side of the car to a chopped steering mechanism on the left, so that all the existing linkages could be retained? My brain wants to say AMC, but it must have been 20 years ago now that I saw the setup. cheers Jules How about two steering wheels? :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaoLJW5ck_Y |
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Jules wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:27:52 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote: No wonder Yugo went under, the darn steering wheel's on the wrong side! :-) Now who was it who offered a car in both LHD and RHD - the 'conversion' for RHD being a sprocket and chain system from the right side of the car to a chopped steering mechanism on the left, so that all the existing linkages could be retained? My brain wants to say AMC, but it must have been 20 years ago now that I saw the setup. cheers Jules Well, there were those drivers ed cars. The one at my high school had an extra brake peddle on the passenger side for the football coach who doubled as the drivers ed teacher. TDD |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:24:34 -0600, AZ Nomad
wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. If you're bright enough to know this is off topic, why the **** aren't you bright enough to locate rec.autos.tech? Since you are fimiliar with rec.autos.tech, you already know they get 4 posts a day max. You do the math. You know how kill filters work? I will do you if you do me. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:37:37 -0500, Metspitzer wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:24:34 -0600, AZ Nomad wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:34:33 -0500, Metspitzer wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. If you're bright enough to know this is off topic, why the **** aren't you bright enough to locate rec.autos.tech? Since you are fimiliar with rec.autos.tech, you already know they get 4 posts a day max. rec.autos.tech has not such limitations. How did you arrive at that fantasy. You do the math. There is no math involved with such bull****. You know how kill filters work? I will do you if you do me. Get over yourself. |
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AZ Nomad wrote:
Since you are fimiliar with rec.autos.tech, you already know they get 4 posts a day max. rec.autos.tech has not such limitations. How did you arrive at that fantasy. He did not say there is a limit, but if there is no activity to speak of, the chances of his question being answered are slim. |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:06:30 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote: Since you are fimiliar with rec.autos.tech, you already know they get 4 posts a day max. rec.autos.tech has not such limitations. How did you arrive at that fantasy. He did not say there is a limit, but if there is no activity to speak of, the chances of his question being answered are slim. Bull****. 247 posts in the last 12 days. |
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Metspitzer wrote in
: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. try alt.autos.honda. "tegger" knows what he's talking about. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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"Metspitzer" wrote in message ... Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. Back in the late 40's and early 50's, some new cars came with break in oil, but not many. Break in oil was mostly used by shops after rebuilding an engine. On a rebuilt engine, things were mighty tight as a rule, what with new inserts and rings. Break in oil was usually drained and replace with regular oil at 250 miles. The theory was that the lighter oil helped parts seat in. Any metal shavings, burrs, etc would be drained at 250 miles along with the oil. Seemed to work then, but now days, I don't think it is used at all. Bob-tx |
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Metspitzer wrote:
Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. No. Yes. It's up to you. Last new vehicle I bought (still have it) is a 2000 Chevy 3500 Express Van. No early oil change was specified but it did say to go easy on it until so many miles. I'm one who sometimes can't leave good enough alone, so I changed the oil at close to 1000 miles. Two surprises at once. First was a magnetic drain plug like they used to sell only at places like "JC Witney". Second surprise was all the metal filings stuck to the magnet! There was a lot, well in my eyes it was a lot. It was enough that I changed the oil again after 2000 miles (and that put me back on the 3K mile intervals). The second oil change had much less metal stuck to the magnet. After that there has always been much much less on the magnet, just a little "fuzz". My biggest surprise was the good old magnetic drain plug. I had never seen one in actual use before and this one came from the factory. JC whitney was 20 years ahead of their time. I also go with the 3K mile oil change. Many say it's a waste, but what the hell, in the 70,000 miles I have on that van, oil changes have only cost me about $500. An estimated $700 every 100,000 miles? That I can afford for peace of mind. If I can afford about $14,000. in gasoline/100000 miles, the oil changes are a drop in the bucket. |
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"Tony" wrote in message
... Metspitzer wrote: Do new cars still come with break in oil? Did they ever? I have always heard that the oil that came with a new car should be changed sooner. I just checked the owners manual of a new Honda and found no special instructions for the first oil change. No. Yes. It's up to you. Last new vehicle I bought (still have it) is a 2000 Chevy 3500 Express Van. No early oil change was specified but it did say to go easy on it until so many miles. I'm one who sometimes can't leave good enough alone, so I changed the oil at close to 1000 miles. Two surprises at once. First was a magnetic drain plug like they used to sell only at places like "JC Witney". Second surprise was all the metal filings stuck to the magnet! There was a lot, well in my eyes it was a lot. It was enough that I changed the oil again after 2000 miles (and that put me back on the 3K mile intervals). The second oil change had much less metal stuck to the magnet. After that there has always been much much less on the magnet, just a little "fuzz". My biggest surprise was the good old magnetic drain plug. I had never seen one in actual use before and this one came from the factory. JC whitney was 20 years ahead of their time. I also go with the 3K mile oil change. Many say it's a waste, but what the hell, in the 70,000 miles I have on that van, oil changes have only cost me about $500. An estimated $700 every 100,000 miles? That I can afford for peace of mind. If I can afford about $14,000. in gasoline/100000 miles, the oil changes are a drop in the bucket. Those metal shavings are the reason why alert, experienced drivers behind you have to push the recirculate button. :-) |
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I also go with the 3K mile oil change. Many say it's a waste, but what the hell, in the 70,000 miles I have on that van, oil changes have only cost me about $500. An estimated $700 every 100,000 miles? That I can afford for peace of mind. If I can afford about $14,000. in gasoline/100000 miles, the oil changes are a drop in the bucket. So why not drop that $350 difference in my bucket? I've not changed oil at 3000 miles in the past 25 years and I've never had an oil related problem in cars that I've put up to 200,000 miles on. Why waste money on oil changes when you can buy a case of beer instead? Your money, do as you please, but mine will be put to better use. |
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Tony wrote: I also go with the 3K mile oil change. Many say it's a waste, but what the hell, in the 70,000 miles I have on that van, oil changes have only cost me about $500. An estimated $700 every 100,000 miles? That I can afford for peace of mind. If I can afford about $14,000. in gasoline/100000 miles, the oil changes are a drop in the bucket. I buy the oil and filter at 3k, and end up procrastinating until it's about 3500. Twice I've let it go to 4500, and the oil I drain out is significantly dirtier. I don't like dirt in my oil. |
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"Smitty Two" wrote in message news In article , Tony wrote: I also go with the 3K mile oil change. Many say it's a waste, but what the hell, in the 70,000 miles I have on that van, oil changes have only cost me about $500. An estimated $700 every 100,000 miles? That I can afford for peace of mind. If I can afford about $14,000. in gasoline/100000 miles, the oil changes are a drop in the bucket. I buy the oil and filter at 3k, and end up procrastinating until it's about 3500. Twice I've let it go to 4500, and the oil I drain out is significantly dirtier. I don't like dirt in my oil. The particles that you see in the oil that cause it to look "dirty" are too small to hurt anything. They remain in suspension and never come between metal pieces, and therefore don't cause wear. The oil filter will remove anything big enough to cause any damage. I used to work at a gas station, and I remember once this old famer coming in. We checked his oil, he took a look at the dip stick, rubbed it between his fingers, and goes "yep, feels gritty, must be time for an oil change". By then I had learned to just keep my mouth shut, smile and change the oil. There was no way we could ever convince him that "gritty" oil would destroy the engine in about five minutes flat. He was happy, and his oil got changed when it needed to ... Some industrial equipment have pressure guages across the oil filter, and they don't change the oil filter until it's plugged enough that a certain amount of pressure develops across it. The reasoning is that a filter partilly plugged filters finer particles then a brand new one. They won't change the filter until right before it starts to bypass. I don't think they do that today - easier to just replace it regularly rather then watch the pressure guage and catch it shortly before it bypasses. |
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"Smitty Two" wrote in message news In article , Tony wrote: I also go with the 3K mile oil change. Many say it's a waste, but what the hell, in the 70,000 miles I have on that van, oil changes have only cost me about $500. An estimated $700 every 100,000 miles? That I can afford for peace of mind. If I can afford about $14,000. in gasoline/100000 miles, the oil changes are a drop in the bucket. I buy the oil and filter at 3k, and end up procrastinating until it's about 3500. Twice I've let it go to 4500, and the oil I drain out is significantly dirtier. I don't like dirt in my oil. The particles that you see in the oil that cause it to look "dirty" are too small to hurt anything. They remain in suspension and never come between metal pieces, and therefore don't cause wear. The oil filter will remove anything big enough to cause any damage. I used to work at a gas station, and I remember once this old famer coming in. We checked his oil, he took a look at the dip stick, rubbed it between his fingers, and goes "yep, feels gritty, must be time for an oil change". By then I had learned to just keep my mouth shut, smile and change the oil. There was no way we could ever convince him that "gritty" oil would destroy the engine in about five minutes flat. He was happy, and his oil got changed when it needed to ... Some industrial equipment have pressure guages across the oil filter, and they don't change the oil filter until it's plugged enough that a certain amount of pressure develops across it. The reasoning is that a filter partilly plugged filters finer particles then a brand new one. They won't change the filter until right before it starts to bypass. I don't think they do that today - easier to just replace it regularly rather then watch the pressure guage and catch it shortly before it bypasses. Most auto engines oil filters bypass oil even when the filter is brand new. They do it when the engine is cold and also when the motor is revved past a certain point. |
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:22:16 -0500, Tony
wrote: Zootal wrote: "Smitty Two" wrote in message news In article , Tony wrote: I also go with the 3K mile oil change. Many say it's a waste, but what the hell, in the 70,000 miles I have on that van, oil changes have only cost me about $500. An estimated $700 every 100,000 miles? That I can afford for peace of mind. If I can afford about $14,000. in gasoline/100000 miles, the oil changes are a drop in the bucket. I buy the oil and filter at 3k, and end up procrastinating until it's about 3500. Twice I've let it go to 4500, and the oil I drain out is significantly dirtier. I don't like dirt in my oil. The particles that you see in the oil that cause it to look "dirty" are too small to hurt anything. They remain in suspension and never come between metal pieces, and therefore don't cause wear. The oil filter will remove anything big enough to cause any damage. I used to work at a gas station, and I remember once this old famer coming in. We checked his oil, he took a look at the dip stick, rubbed it between his fingers, and goes "yep, feels gritty, must be time for an oil change". By then I had learned to just keep my mouth shut, smile and change the oil. There was no way we could ever convince him that "gritty" oil would destroy the engine in about five minutes flat. He was happy, and his oil got changed when it needed to ... Some industrial equipment have pressure guages across the oil filter, and they don't change the oil filter until it's plugged enough that a certain amount of pressure develops across it. The reasoning is that a filter partilly plugged filters finer particles then a brand new one. They won't change the filter until right before it starts to bypass. I don't think they do that today - easier to just replace it regularly rather then watch the pressure guage and catch it shortly before it bypasses. Most auto engines oil filters bypass oil even when the filter is brand new. They do it when the engine is cold and also when the motor is revved past a certain point. No, the filters don't bypass when cold or reved. The oil pressure regulator does. Two totally fdifferent animals. |
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