On Nov 11, 7:34*pm, "John D99" wrote:
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:31:21 -0700, "John D99"
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On Nov 11, 4:10 pm, "John D99" wrote:
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On Nov 11, 3:42 pm, "John D99" wrote:

"DGDevin" wrote in message

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John D99 wrote:

The "entertainment" they put on is offal heavily laced with
pro-gay
messages. Do you want your kids watching that?

Are you under the impression that your kids can somehow be
recruited
to become homosexual by seeing these supposed "pro-gay messages"?
Did
you really do such a bad job raising your children that you
think their sexual orientation can be changed by a movie?

A better question is what your kids are like, idiot.

As you're the one with paranoid delusions about your kids being at
risk
of
somehow being infected with homosexuality via the television it
would
seem
*your* parenting skills are the ones in question.

Only a total fool doesn't care what their kids are exposed to.

Of course kids get influenced by the crap they see on TV - is that a
big
revelation to you?

Do you think kids getting exposed to pedophile priest is also ok?

There are a lot of things

to worry about in relation to one's children, but them being turned
gay
by
the television is not something anyone rational is concerned about.

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RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 11, 8:48 am, "desgnr" wrote:
What is best ?
Comcast Cable TV or Satellite TV
If Satellite which provider is best deal ?

I think it all depends on where you are. I have cable and routinely
hit 11 or 12 Mb/sec download speeds. It's been as high as 15. Upload
is usually in the 2 to 3 Mb/sec. This is on Optimum Online with the
basic cable - no premium paid for.

I have limited experience with satellite, but what I have had has been
frustrating. Dishes knocked out of alignment by weather (huh?) and
weather interfering with reception. When you call customer service,
the first thing they ask is if there is bad weather in your area.

R

I recently repaired a customer's computer and straightened out his
Hughes Net satellite internet system. After spending hours on the
phone with India based tech support,

How many times did you say Excuse me/What? because you could not
understand them?

I was finally connected with
American based tech support and was able to convince the tech what
the problem was and was able to get another modem shipped out. The
replacement modem gives my customer 1.2m down and 250k up which is
what I got years ago when DSL first became available around here.

TDD

In article ,
Red Green wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote in news:hdf3mc$9g$1
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RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 11, 8:48 am, "desgnr" wrote:
What is best ?
Comcast Cable TV or Satellite TV
If Satellite which provider is best deal ?

I think it all depends on where you are. I have cable and routinely
hit 11 or 12 Mb/sec download speeds. It's been as high as 15. Upload
is usually in the 2 to 3 Mb/sec. This is on Optimum Online with the
basic cable - no premium paid for.

I have limited experience with satellite, but what I have had has been
frustrating. Dishes knocked out of alignment by weather (huh?) and
weather interfering with reception. When you call customer service,
the first thing they ask is if there is bad weather in your area.

R

I recently repaired a customer's computer and straightened out his
Hughes Net satellite internet system. After spending hours on the
phone with India based tech support,

How many times did you say Excuse me/What? because you could not
understand them?

About as many as the last time I called someone who had their
customer service center in Atlanta. (g)

--
To find that place where the rats don't race
and the phones don't ring at all.
If once, you've slept on an island.
Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"

RicodJour wrote:

There is no building that could hold all of the knowledge on earth.
Expecting your local library to have every book is basically asking
for higher taxes. And zoning.

I didn't ask for EVERY book, I only asked for common reference works.


There are even "libraries" (in Berkely and maybe elsewhere - or
maybe not, there aren't any other places as screwed up as Berkely)
that loan out TOOLS (power saws, ladders, spray-painting equipment,
drills, hammers, post hole diggers, all of it).

So, if your library in Arkansas rented tools, you would refuse to rent
them? I think not.
In a library you might have found an alternative spelling of
"Berkely"...which for some reason the natives seem to prefer.

The library in Berkely doesn't RENT tools, they LOAN them - like books. If
there were a similar situation in Arkansas - and I lived in Arkansas - I
WOULD borrow the tool from them because there wouldn't be any tool rental
places left in business!

My objection centers around a government entity in competition with private
business. The tool-loaning endeavor by the city of Berkely (by whatever
spelling) could be the death of party-supply rentals (need 200 folding
chairs for a garden wedding? just borrow them from the city - and by the
way, you can borrow a tux too). How about car rentals? Trailers/trucks?
(Goodbye U-Haul) Small aircraft? get a city-owned Cessna for the week-end.
Gas prices too high? Just fill up at the city-owned, non-profit pumps! Want
an ice-cream cone? just visit the city's Two Flavors On A Stick stand. And
so on.

DGDevin wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

Not wanting the conversation to degenerate into a poor relation to
the Monty Python Cheese Shop skit, I asked: "Okay, what DO you have?"

"We have hand puppets, video games, CD music, hardback best-sellers
(put your name on the list). We have art work to loan out, paperback
romances (leave two, take two), a few toys and lots of puzzles. Over
there are the computers where you can surf the net..."

****ers have completely abrogated their role as a repository of
knowledge! Scrape 'em off the face of the earth, I say.

An amusing if unconvincing yarn. My local library (a fine old
red-brick neo-classical building) is well-stocked with books
(including home improvement titles), and if I want something they
don't have they'll happily order it from another branch. They even
bought a new book I was interested in which I considered pretty good
service. They have a good CD collection too, lots of blues and jazz.
However if you can demonstrate that your local library no longer
carries books on history, science, art and so on and has just
best-sellers and romances, I'll be prepared to reconsider your
apocryphal tale.

The tale is not "apocryphal," it's "anecdotal," as anyone who's steeped in
the knowledge a classical library could provide would know.

Admittedly, I did exaggerate for the purpose of emphasis. The local library
I visited DID have lots of books. They had oodles of children's books, which
is a Good Thing (tm). They had a robust selection of classic fiction (Tom
Sawyer, Scarlet Letter, Moby Dick, etc.). A good section on DIY and other
areas of interest.

I'm in the book business (once removed) and it irritates me that a library
could have 25 copies of the latest Stephen King novel in inventory and zero
copies of Marquis Who's Who. [Did you know there's a huge business in
RENTING best sellers to libraries? (see "Brodart")]

Oh well.

Many years ago, I spent almost a day in that library researching an
interesting question. I discovered that the following people were not
qualified, by law, to teach in the public schools of my state:
* All living Nobel Prize winners.
* All living winners of the Field's Medal
* All living winners of the Pulitzer, Hugo, Edgar, Newberry, Booker, or
other well-known literary prize.
* All members of the Supreme Court and the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.
* All members of my state's Congressional delegation.

Today, of course, I could conduct the same research faster and better via
the internet. So maybe libraries are merely morphing into something related,
but different (like "The March Of Dimes" did when Polio disappeared), and
keeping the same name.

I guess I really should keep up...

On Nov 11, 8:51*pm, "John D99" wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Nov 11, 6:20 pm, "John D99" wrote:





"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Nov 11, 4:34 pm, "John D99" wrote:
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Are your kids going to search out books that promote homosexuality?

===
They might very well search them out.
==

Interesting response.

==
In what way? You asked if my kids were going to search them out and I
simply answered that they might. A pretty uninteresting response if
you ask me.
===
It was "interesting" becasue you said your kids "might very well search
them out", refering to books that promote homosexuality.

==
Yep, that's what I said and I still claim it's a pretty uninteresting
response.
==

Yeah, I see you *say* that.

I think most of us are concerned about what our kids are exposed to, and
taught or coached into thinking is normal.

Kids who grow up in alcoholic familes are much more at risk of beoming
alcoholics themselves. Same for drugs.

Many pedophiles were themselves victims of pedophilia.

It's best to keep kids aware that alcoholism, drug addicition, pedophilia
and homosexuality are not natural things, but nevertheless behavior that
people fall into.

Some catholic priest once said: "give me the boy when he is seven and I
will
give you the man".

The hitler youth and the soviet kommsomols recognized the same.

snip some routine rationalizations

==
I wonder...do you ever go back a read what you write? Do you ever
notice that most of the time you completely ignore the points being
made by the person you are responding to?
==


You don't make points. You just pretend that whatever kids exposed to is ok,
and mention stuff about homosexual ducks that you raise...

Thank you proving my point once again.

Please review this thread and find one single instance where *I* (me,
DerbyDad03) said anything about raising ducks or any other animal for
that matter.

This simply proves my point that you don't know who or what you are
responding to, you don't take the time to proofread what you write to
see if it is relevant, and you completely ignore items which disprove
the invalid points that you try to make.

My points are *plain and well founded and your problem is not that I'm
spinning things, but rather that you don't have any credible reply

Then please explain to me why you asked me if I was a homosexual when
I pointed out that same-sex couples are raising kids?

How is that a credible reply to a valid point? Not only isn't it a
credible reply, it wasn't even relevant to point that I made. This is
the third time I've brought this issue and you have yet to respond.
Typically, silence will be taken as agreement, so your lack of a
response speaks volumes.

To quote Sir Thomas Mo

"The maxim is "Qui tacet consentiret": the maxim of the law is
"Silence gives consent". If therefore you wish to construe what my
silence betokened, you must construe that I consented, not that I
denied."

As usual, all you did was try to spin the discussion off in another
direction because you had no credible response, nor can you admit when
you've made an error.

Feel free to spin this however you want, since you're just spinning
yourself deeper and deeper into a hole with every post.

It's so pathetic it's almost fun!

HeyBub wrote:
DGDevin wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

Not wanting the conversation to degenerate into a poor relation to
the Monty Python Cheese Shop skit, I asked: "Okay, what DO you have?"

"We have hand puppets, video games, CD music, hardback best-sellers
(put your name on the list). We have art work to loan out, paperback
romances (leave two, take two), a few toys and lots of puzzles. Over
there are the computers where you can surf the net..."

****ers have completely abrogated their role as a repository of
knowledge! Scrape 'em off the face of the earth, I say.
An amusing if unconvincing yarn. My local library (a fine old
red-brick neo-classical building) is well-stocked with books
(including home improvement titles), and if I want something they
don't have they'll happily order it from another branch. They even
bought a new book I was interested in which I considered pretty good
service. They have a good CD collection too, lots of blues and jazz.
However if you can demonstrate that your local library no longer
carries books on history, science, art and so on and has just
best-sellers and romances, I'll be prepared to reconsider your
apocryphal tale.

The tale is not "apocryphal," it's "anecdotal," as anyone who's steeped in
the knowledge a classical library could provide would know.

Admittedly, I did exaggerate for the purpose of emphasis. The local library
I visited DID have lots of books. They had oodles of children's books, which
is a Good Thing (tm). They had a robust selection of classic fiction (Tom
Sawyer, Scarlet Letter, Moby Dick, etc.). A good section on DIY and other
areas of interest.

I'm in the book business (once removed) and it irritates me that a library
could have 25 copies of the latest Stephen King novel in inventory and zero
copies of Marquis Who's Who. [Did you know there's a huge business in
RENTING best sellers to libraries? (see "Brodart")]

Oh well.

Many years ago, I spent almost a day in that library researching an
interesting question. I discovered that the following people were not
qualified, by law, to teach in the public schools of my state:
* All living Nobel Prize winners.
* All living winners of the Field's Medal
* All living winners of the Pulitzer, Hugo, Edgar, Newberry, Booker, or
other well-known literary prize.
* All members of the Supreme Court and the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.
* All members of my state's Congressional delegation.

Today, of course, I could conduct the same research faster and better via
the internet. So maybe libraries are merely morphing into something related,
but different (like "The March Of Dimes" did when Polio disappeared), and
keeping the same name.

I guess I really should keep up...


Have you tried Google Books? I haven't looked for classics, but have
found good old local histories for genealogy.

On Nov 12, 10:45*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 11, 8:51*pm, "John D99" wrote:





"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Nov 11, 6:20 pm, "John D99" wrote:

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Nov 11, 4:34 pm, "John D99" wrote:
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Are your kids going to search out books that promote homosexuality?

===
They might very well search them out.
==

Interesting response.

==
In what way? You asked if my kids were going to search them out and I
simply answered that they might. A pretty uninteresting response if
you ask me.
===
It was "interesting" becasue you said your kids "might very well search
them out", refering to books that promote homosexuality.

==
Yep, that's what I said and I still claim it's a pretty uninteresting
response.
==

Yeah, I see you *say* that.

I think most of us are concerned about what our kids are exposed to, and
taught or coached into thinking is normal.

Kids who grow up in alcoholic familes are much more at risk of beoming
alcoholics themselves. Same for drugs.

Many pedophiles were themselves victims of pedophilia.

It's best to keep kids aware that alcoholism, drug addicition, pedophilia
and homosexuality are not natural things, but nevertheless behavior that
people fall into.

Some catholic priest once said: "give me the boy when he is seven and I
will
give you the man".

The hitler youth and the soviet kommsomols recognized the same.

snip some routine rationalizations

==
I wonder...do you ever go back a read what you write? Do you ever
notice that most of the time you completely ignore the points being
made by the person you are responding to?
==
You don't make points. You just pretend that whatever kids exposed to is ok,
and mention stuff about homosexual ducks that you raise...

Thank you proving my point once again.

Please review this thread and find one single instance where *I* (me,
DerbyDad03) said anything about raising ducks or any other animal for
that matter.

This simply proves my point that you don't know who or what you are
responding to, you don't take the time to proofread what you write to
see if it is relevant, and you completely ignore items which disprove
the invalid points that you try to make.

My points are *plain and well founded and your problem is not that I'm
spinning things, but rather that you don't have any credible reply

Then please explain to me why you asked me if I was a homosexual when
I pointed out that same-sex couples are raising kids?

How is that a credible reply to a valid point? Not only isn't it a
credible reply, it wasn't even relevant to point that I made. This is
the third time I've brought this issue *and you have yet to respond.
Typically, silence will be taken as agreement, so your lack of a
response speaks volumes.

To quote Sir Thomas Mo

"The maxim is "Qui tacet consentiret": the maxim of the law is
"Silence gives consent". If therefore you wish to construe what my
silence betokened, you must construe that I consented, not that I
denied."

As usual, all you did was try to spin the discussion off in another
direction because you had no credible response, nor can you admit when
you've made an error.

Feel free to spin this however you want, since you're just spinning
yourself deeper and deeper into a hole with every post.

It's so pathetic it's almost fun!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


This guy is an obvious homophobe. Let's examine one totally faulty
premise that he started with. That premise is that TV is being used
for propaganda to lead children into becoming homosexual. Now, I
don't know what channels John watches, but I have seen lots of shows
that show the discrimination, name calling, and physical violence that
continues to be directed at homosexuals. For example, there was an
A&E show on the Matt Shephard story, where the college kid was
kidnapped and murdered by homophobes in Wyoming. There are many
talk shows that have had gay people on discussing how they have been
abandoned, cut off or thrown out of the house when they came out to
their families. There have been shows showing people who took
their kids to therapy programs usually based on religious ideas and
tried to make them straight and it almost surely fails. Does any of
that sound like propaganda intended to promote homosexuality by making
it look attractive? And at what point exactly does someone DECIDE to
become straight or homosexual anyway? Did any of us think about it,
mull it over and decide on Sat, June 9, 1985 to become straight,
rather than gay? How silly.

Then there are some shows based on fiction that include some
homosexual characters because they are part of life today. Take
the Sopranos. What happened to Vince? When the mob found out he
was gay, they brutally sodomized him and killed him. Hmmm, does that
make someone want to be gay?

Sure there are also programs that show gay life in a more positive
fashion. But overall, I would not even say it's balanced, let alone
pro-gay propaganda. Most of the lame arguments John has made were
also made 50 years ago about blacks, from people who feared them.

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
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On Nov 11, 8:51 pm, "John D99" wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Nov 11, 6:20 pm, "John D99" wrote:





"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Nov 11, 4:34 pm, "John D99" wrote:
...snip...

Are your kids going to search out books that promote
homosexuality?

===
They might very well search them out.
==

Interesting response.

==
In what way? You asked if my kids were going to search them out and I
simply answered that they might. A pretty uninteresting response if
you ask me.
===
It was "interesting" becasue you said your kids "might very well
search
them out", refering to books that promote homosexuality.

==
Yep, that's what I said and I still claim it's a pretty uninteresting
response.
==

Yeah, I see you *say* that.

I think most of us are concerned about what our kids are exposed to, and
taught or coached into thinking is normal.

Kids who grow up in alcoholic familes are much more at risk of beoming
alcoholics themselves. Same for drugs.

Many pedophiles were themselves victims of pedophilia.

It's best to keep kids aware that alcoholism, drug addicition,
pedophilia
and homosexuality are not natural things, but nevertheless behavior that
people fall into.

Some catholic priest once said: "give me the boy when he is seven and I
will
give you the man".

The hitler youth and the soviet kommsomols recognized the same.

snip some routine rationalizations

==
I wonder...do you ever go back a read what you write? Do you ever
notice that most of the time you completely ignore the points being
made by the person you are responding to?
==


You don't make points. You just pretend that whatever kids exposed to is
ok,
and mention stuff about homosexual ducks that you raise...

==
Thank you proving my point once again.
==

It's just that you and daiOH have so much in common.

clipped

Then there are some shows based on fiction that include some
homosexual characters because they are part of life today. Take
the Sopranos. What happened to Vince? When the mob found out he
was gay, they brutally sodomized him and killed him. Hmmm, does that
make someone want to be gay?

Sure there are also programs that show gay life in a more positive
fashion. But overall, I would not even say it's balanced, let alone
pro-gay propaganda. Most of the lame arguments John has made were
also made 50 years ago about blacks, from people who feared them.

You left out the politicians who are both anti-gay and the parent of a
gay or lesbian child....

wrote in message


Feel free to spin this however you want, since you're just spinning
yourself deeper and deeper into a hole with every post.

It's so pathetic it's almost fun!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

==
This guy is an obvious homophobe.
==

Wrong. I don't want homosexuals to be victimized.

===
Let's examine one totally faulty
premise that he started with. That premise is that TV is being used
for propaganda to lead children into becoming homosexual.
===

Wrong again - learn to read.

From my initial post: """ The "entertainment" they put on is offal heavily
laced with pro-gay messages. Do you want your kids watching that? """

snip

On Nov 12, 11:37*am, "John D99" wrote:
wrote in message

==
This guy is an obvious homophobe.
==

Wrong. I don't want homosexuals to be victimized.

It is a shame that you are scared to enter a library due to your self-
abuse problem. If you had ventured into those dark halls, where gay-
masters lurking in the stacks seduce the unwary into lives of
unbridled gaiety, you might have found a dictionary. Then, if not
terrified by the big words, you might have actually opened it and
found that -phobe is not the same as victimized.

Oh, another thing - your newsreader's quoting is the pits. Try to
keep up.

R

Phisherman wrote:

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:48:49 -0500, "desgnr"
wrote:

What is best ?
Comcast Cable TV or Satellite TV
If Satellite which provider is best deal ?

I hate companies that rope you in at a good deal, then crank up the
rate after so many months. I hate Comcast. Satellite will get you
more unusual channels. Comcast charges extra for high resolution and
you can pick that up with an antenna. Best deal is a one time charge
of $20 for an antenna unless you like paying $50 a month. I bought 4
antennas, picked the one with the best reception and returned three to
the store. The most expensive antenna was the worst, but I'm not
surprised.

I dropped cable TV last year. I got my ATSC converter boxes and tested
them. I tested them again after the June cutover, and I haven't turned
them on since. That's what I recommend you do as well.

There is a whole world of better stuff to do with your time than site
lifeless and watch scam ad after scam ad. Go out for a walk, do yard
work, get a hobby actually doing something. No only will you save the
cable / sat. $50/mo, you'll also save some electricity as well as your
health.

On Nov 12, 11:31*am, "John D99" wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Nov 11, 8:51 pm, "John D99" wrote:





"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Nov 11, 6:20 pm, "John D99" wrote:

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Nov 11, 4:34 pm, "John D99" wrote:
...snip...

Are your kids going to search out books that promote
homosexuality?

===
They might very well search them out.
==

Interesting response.

==
In what way? You asked if my kids were going to search them out and I
simply answered that they might. A pretty uninteresting response if
you ask me.
===
It was "interesting" becasue you said your kids "might very well
search
them out", refering to books that promote homosexuality.

==
Yep, that's what I said and I still claim it's a pretty uninteresting
response.
==

Yeah, I see you *say* that.

I think most of us are concerned about what our kids are exposed to, and
taught or coached into thinking is normal.

Kids who grow up in alcoholic familes are much more at risk of beoming
alcoholics themselves. Same for drugs.

Many pedophiles were themselves victims of pedophilia.

It's best to keep kids aware that alcoholism, drug addicition,
pedophilia
and homosexuality are not natural things, but nevertheless behavior that
people fall into.

Some catholic priest once said: "give me the boy when he is seven and I
will
give you the man".

The hitler youth and the soviet kommsomols recognized the same.

snip some routine rationalizations

==
I wonder...do you ever go back a read what you write? Do you ever
notice that most of the time you completely ignore the points being
made by the person you are responding to?
==
You don't make points. You just pretend that whatever kids exposed to is
ok,
and mention stuff about homosexual ducks that you raise...

==
Thank you proving my point once again.
==


It's just that you and daiOH have so much in common.

You've offered a lame excuse instead of admitting your error. You've
also deleted the text in which I pointed out your error, assumably so
that others can't see it.

With each and every post, your credibility sinks to a new low.

Since you will not respond, in an adult fashion, to my points or even
answer my direct questions, I see no need to continue this discussion.

Feel free to fire one more shot in my direction so that you can feel
victoriuos...I'll just consider the source and it will have no impact
whatsoever.

HeyBub wrote:

My objection centers around a government entity in competition with
private business.

Good point, look how the Postal Service drove UPS and Fedex out of business.

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
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On Nov 12, 11:31 am, "John D99" wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Nov 11, 8:51 pm, "John D99" wrote:





"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Nov 11, 6:20 pm, "John D99" wrote:

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Nov 11, 4:34 pm, "John D99" wrote:
...snip...

Are your kids going to search out books that promote
homosexuality?

===
They might very well search them out.
==

Interesting response.

==
In what way? You asked if my kids were going to search them out and
I
simply answered that they might. A pretty uninteresting response if
you ask me.
===
It was "interesting" becasue you said your kids "might very well
search
them out", refering to books that promote homosexuality.

==
Yep, that's what I said and I still claim it's a pretty uninteresting
response.
==

Yeah, I see you *say* that.

I think most of us are concerned about what our kids are exposed to,
and
taught or coached into thinking is normal.

Kids who grow up in alcoholic familes are much more at risk of beoming
alcoholics themselves. Same for drugs.

Many pedophiles were themselves victims of pedophilia.

It's best to keep kids aware that alcoholism, drug addicition,
pedophilia
and homosexuality are not natural things, but nevertheless behavior
that
people fall into.

Some catholic priest once said: "give me the boy when he is seven and
I
will
give you the man".

The hitler youth and the soviet kommsomols recognized the same.

snip some routine rationalizations

==
I wonder...do you ever go back a read what you write? Do you ever
notice that most of the time you completely ignore the points being
made by the person you are responding to?
==
You don't make points. You just pretend that whatever kids exposed to is
ok,
and mention stuff about homosexual ducks that you raise...

==
Thank you proving my point once again.
==


It's just that you and daiOH have so much in common.

==
You've offered a lame excuse instead of admitting your error.
==

Bull****. Do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you try to pretend
that questionable mateiral on TV is the same as kids searching up books in
the library?

How many kids books have homosexual material interjected into them? Would
they ever get read? And when they do, there often are groups that come
forward to complain.

Common sense would tell most people, that most kids don't read much of
anything - that sit in front of TVs watching whatever garbage is presented
to them and that your argument has been false, stupid and diversionary from
the start.

Try interjecting messages on TV programs that put wife beating, pedophilia,
nazism, bestialiy in a good light, and see how many groups start raising
hell - becasue they know what people, especially kids, see over and over on
TV does influence them.

Run along.

"RicodJour" wrote in message
...
On Nov 12, 11:37 am, "John D99" wrote:
wrote in message

==
This guy is an obvious homophobe.
==

Wrong. I don't want homosexuals to be victimized.

==
It is a shame that you are scared to enter a library due to your self-
abuse problem.
==

This is exactly the kind of trash that gay activists throw up in fear
whenever somebody sauys something they don't like
You are a sick little ****.

Go back to posting about your fantasies about "men keeping each other warm"
and sheep, as you have in the past, ****.

"desgnr" wrote in message
...
What is best ?
Comcast Cable TV or Satellite TV
If Satellite which provider is best deal ?


--
Dell Inspiron
Pentium dual-core 2.2 GHz
2 GB DDR2 SDRAM
Windows Vista Home Premium SP1

I used Time Warner (Comcast?) and I got sick of the bill increasing for
mysterious reasons on what seemed like a monthly bases. When I'd call, or go
down there, I always got vague answers. (Taxes, regulations...I don't think
they knew)

Finally, I switched back to Dish. God forbid you should ever have a problem
(receiver crash) but the bill stays the same low price they offered in the
beginning. The DVR works well and can record 2 shows at the same time.

Good enough for me.

Jim

HeyBub wrote:

The tale is not "apocryphal," it's "anecdotal," as anyone who's
steeped in the knowledge a classical library could provide would know.

How about "delusional"?

Admittedly, I did exaggerate for the purpose of emphasis.

I'm shocked, simply shocked, you could knock me down with an anvil, I'm that
shocked.

I'm in the book business (once removed) and it irritates me that a
library could have 25 copies of the latest Stephen King novel in
inventory and zero copies of Marquis Who's Who.

You need to consider that libraries are there to serve the public, and if
you're the only person to walk into that branch in the past ten years and
ask for that book then why wouldn't they replace it with something their
patrons actually want? I wouldn't do really serious research in most public
libraries anyway, I'd get an associate card at the nearest college and use
their library system since it's designed for people writing research papers
as opposed to folks looking for Stephen King novels.

Many years ago, I spent almost a day in that library researching an
interesting question. I discovered that the following people were not
qualified, by law, to teach in the public schools of my state:
* All living Nobel Prize winners.
* All living winners of the Field's Medal
* All living winners of the Pulitzer, Hugo, Edgar, Newberry, Booker,
or other well-known literary prize.
* All members of the Supreme Court and the 5th Circuit Court of
Appeals. * All members of my state's Congressional delegation.

It's possible none of those folks is able to legally practice dentistry
either--so what? I don't as a rule hold teachers in very high regard (when
I was in university the Faculty of Ed. had the lowest admission standards
and the lowest grade point average) but I don't find it remarkable that
people who've won the Nobel Prize or a Pulitzer etc. don't have education
degrees and/or aren't certified teachers.

Today, of course, I could conduct the same research faster and better
via the internet. So maybe libraries are merely morphing into
something related, but different (like "The March Of Dimes" did when
Polio disappeared), and keeping the same name.

Exactly. In a previous century I ran a bookshop that sold no fiction--today
it is a shadow of its former self thanks to the interwebs, too many people
now do their research online. Meanwhile my wife and I have filled our
floor-to-ceiling bookcases to overflowing and have scores of boxes of books
in storage--call us old-fashioned. But we both own iPods and PDAs and
digital cameras and so on, there's no point being a damn fool about new
technology.

wrote:

Is there really propaganda trying to make children homosexual?
Seriously? I really can't imagine trying to change anyone's sexual
orientation.....and why would anyone want to?

There are people who try to do such things, I'm sure if it were within his
power John D99 would convert every homosexual on the planet.

Me, I got my own problems, I don't have time to worry about what other
consenting adults do with their genitals. I leave brooding over other
people's sexuality to guys like John D99, apparently it keeps him awake
nights.

On Nov 12, 2:24*pm, "John D99" wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

...
On Nov 12, 11:31 am, "John D99" wrote:





"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

...
On Nov 11, 8:51 pm, "John D99" wrote:

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

....
On Nov 11, 6:20 pm, "John D99" wrote:

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

....
On Nov 11, 4:34 pm, "John D99" wrote:
...snip...

Are your kids going to search out books that promote
homosexuality?

===
They might very well search them out.
==

Interesting response.

==
In what way? You asked if my kids were going to search them out and
I
simply answered that they might. A pretty uninteresting response if
you ask me.
===
It was "interesting" becasue you said your kids "might very well
search
them out", refering to books that promote homosexuality.

==
Yep, that's what I said and I still claim it's a pretty uninteresting
response.
==

Yeah, I see you *say* that.

I think most of us are concerned about what our kids are exposed to,
and
taught or coached into thinking is normal.

Kids who grow up in alcoholic familes are much more at risk of beoming
alcoholics themselves. Same for drugs.

Many pedophiles were themselves victims of pedophilia.

It's best to keep kids aware that alcoholism, drug addicition,
pedophilia
and homosexuality are not natural things, but nevertheless behavior
that
people fall into.

Some catholic priest once said: "give me the boy when he is seven and
I
will
give you the man".

The hitler youth and the soviet kommsomols recognized the same.

snip some routine rationalizations

==
I wonder...do you ever go back a read what you write? Do you ever
notice that most of the time you completely ignore the points being
made by the person you are responding to?
==
You don't make points. You just pretend that whatever kids exposed to is
ok,
and mention stuff about homosexual ducks that you raise...

==
Thank you proving my point once again.
==
It's just that you and daiOH have so much in common.

==
You've offered a lame excuse instead of admitting your error.
==

Bull****. Do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you try to pretend
that questionable mateiral on TV is the same as kids searching up books in
the library?

You have yet to define exactly what all this "questionable material"
that you consider to be pro-gay propaganda is. I've thought back to
what I've seen from either watching or just listed on the channel
guide that had gay content. Here's what I recall from the last few
months:



A&E had a crime story on the gay bashing death of Matt Shephard in
Wyoming

A&E had The Sopranos episode where when Vince is accidentally outted
he's called a fag and promptly murdered for being gay.

Tyra Banks had on gay couples where they had been abandoned and cut
off from at least one partners family for being gay.

Instead of being pro-gay, those programs portrayed exactly the
opposite message.

So, where exactly are these supposed pro-gay propaganda messages?
Let me guess, they're subliminal messages contained in the vertical
blanking, right?

You obviously fear that just because some show portrays gays as
leading normal, productive lives in society, some kid is going to turn
gay. The whole premise is laughable. Like he's going to show up in
high school and announce he's gay so everyone can ridicule him and
call him fag? Or have a parent throw him out of the house or taken
away to be re-programmed to your norms? Face it. There are
enormous pressures on kids to lead a straight life, so those that turn
out gay aren't doing it because they watched some show that you don't
like.

Oh, and let me add this. I agree with Rico. You're newsgroup
excerpting skills and ability to coherently engage in a thread are
lacking.



How many kids books have homosexual material interjected into them? Would
they ever get read? And when they do, there often *are groups that come
forward to complain.


Yes, guys like you do in fact go to Board of Ed meetings and raise a
fuss about all kinds of material that they find offensive. Teaching
evolution and not teaching creationism is one example. How about
Huck Finn? That has a homosexual passage in it. Should that be
banned too because it might suddenly make Johnny gay?

desgnr wrote:
What is best ?
Comcast Cable TV or Satellite TV
If Satellite which provider is best deal ?



I generally lean towards cable if it's available. That way you can get
the highest speed internet available. I have dish and a slow ass dsl.

s

John D99 wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message
...
John D99 wrote:

You're confused.
We're not talking about "gay rights". We're talking about people
beiong propagandised into thinking homosexual activity is normal.

Actually, it is totally normal for those attuned to that sexual
preference, has been for 1000s of years. And in numerous societies
it is not only normal for the participants but condoned by the
society in general. It often becomes normal - or accepted, at least
- in societies where access to females is limited. Prison, for
example.

Well, it was also "normal" in Sparta as part of pedophilic
relationships for boys being trianed into the army.

But using the anus for sexual activity is not biologically normal.



Ditto with animals. Most all practice homosexuality to some degree
or another. I happen to have eight Muscovy ducks living around the
place. Seven are males, one is female; the males would just as soon
bugger each other as jump the lady duck.

Really. I wonder why that might be.

I could mention that domesticated animals are kept in un-natural
situations.

They aren't domesticated ducks but wild ones that just happen to live here
(we have 10 acres, pond, lake, etc.)

Why don't you put up a you-tube of your homosexual ducks?

I doubt there would be much interest; possibly when they engage in a ménage
à trois though. Besides, they aren't homosexual, just horny and not enough
females to go around. Opportunists

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
Red Green wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote in news:hdf3mc$9g$1
@news.eternal-september.org:

RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 11, 8:48 am, "desgnr" wrote:
What is best ?
Comcast Cable TV or Satellite TV
If Satellite which provider is best deal ?
I think it all depends on where you are. I have cable and routinely
hit 11 or 12 Mb/sec download speeds. It's been as high as 15. Upload
is usually in the 2 to 3 Mb/sec. This is on Optimum Online with the
basic cable - no premium paid for.

I have limited experience with satellite, but what I have had has been
frustrating. Dishes knocked out of alignment by weather (huh?) and
weather interfering with reception. When you call customer service,
the first thing they ask is if there is bad weather in your area.

R
I recently repaired a customer's computer and straightened out his
Hughes Net satellite internet system. After spending hours on the
phone with India based tech support,
How many times did you say Excuse me/What? because you could not
understand them?

About as many as the last time I called someone who had their
customer service center in Atlanta. (g)


What y'all talkin 'bout feller? Us peeple in th South noe
how tuh speek 'merican.

TDD

Red Green wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote in news:hdf3mc$9g$1
@news.eternal-september.org:

RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 11, 8:48 am, "desgnr" wrote:
What is best ?
Comcast Cable TV or Satellite TV
If Satellite which provider is best deal ?
I think it all depends on where you are. I have cable and routinely
hit 11 or 12 Mb/sec download speeds. It's been as high as 15. Upload
is usually in the 2 to 3 Mb/sec. This is on Optimum Online with the
basic cable - no premium paid for.

I have limited experience with satellite, but what I have had has been
frustrating. Dishes knocked out of alignment by weather (huh?) and
weather interfering with reception. When you call customer service,
the first thing they ask is if there is bad weather in your area.

R
I recently repaired a customer's computer and straightened out his
Hughes Net satellite internet system. After spending hours on the
phone with India based tech support,

How many times did you say Excuse me/What? because you could not
understand them?

I was finally connected with
American based tech support and was able to convince the tech what
the problem was and was able to get another modem shipped out. The
replacement modem gives my customer 1.2m down and 250k up which is
what I got years ago when DSL first became available around here.

TDD



My name is George and I would very much to be liking to be
helping you today sir. What for may I ask is the problems
you are having this fine day?

TDD

DGDevin wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

My objection centers around a government entity in competition with
private business.

Good point, look how the Postal Service drove UPS and Fedex out of business.



Impossible, The Postal Service is a bastion of Affirmative Action.
It will never be able to compete with the private sector unless
something like Obama Care for letter and package delivery is signed
into law taking away the business from private companies.

TDD

On Nov 12, 4:06*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
Red Green wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote in news:hdf3mc$9g$1
@news.eternal-september.org:

RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 11, 8:48 am, "desgnr" wrote:
What is best ?
Comcast Cable TV or Satellite TV
If Satellite which provider is best deal ?
I think it all depends on where you are. *I have cable and routinely
hit 11 or 12 Mb/sec download speeds. *It's been as high as 15. *Upload
is usually in the 2 to 3 Mb/sec. *This is on Optimum Online with the
basic cable - no premium paid for.

I have limited experience with satellite, but what I have had has been
frustrating. *Dishes knocked out of alignment by weather (huh?) and
weather interfering with reception. *When you call customer service,
the first thing they ask is if there is bad weather in your area.

R
I recently repaired a customer's computer and straightened out his
Hughes Net satellite internet system. After spending hours on the
phone with India based tech support,

How many times did you say Excuse me/What? because you could not
understand them?

I was finally connected with
American based tech support and was able to convince the tech what
the problem was and was able to get another modem shipped out. The
replacement modem gives my customer 1.2m down and 250k up which is
what I got years ago when DSL first became available around here.

TDD

My name is George and I would very much to be liking to be
helping you today sir. What for may I ask is the problems
you are having this fine day?

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here's what I hate - although I understand why they do it...

Customer Service Rep: Hi, this is Todd. How may I provide exceptional
service today?

Me: I'm having trouble with my remote control.

CSR: I see. I understand that you are having trouble with your remote
control. I am sorry to hear that. I am sure that we can help you with
the trouble you are having with your remote control. In order for me
to help you with the trouble you are having with your remote control,
can you please tell me what trouble you are having with your remote
control?

Me: The volume control button sticks.

CSR: I'm sorry to hear that the trouble you are having with your
remote control is that the volume control button on your remote
control is sticking. Before I transfer you to a technical support
specialist, is there anything else I can help you with besides the
trouble you are having with your remote control which is that the
volume control button is sticking on your remote control?

Me: No. Thank you.

CSR: You're welcome. I hope you have are satified with the help I have
given you regarding the trouble you are having with your remote
control which is that the volume control button is sticking on your
remote control. I'll transfer you now.

.... Music and commercials for products and services are heard...

Tech Support: Hi, this is Lori, how may I provide exceptional service
today?

Me: I'm having trouble with my remote control.

Tech: I see. I understand that you are having trouble with your remote
control. I am sorry to hear that. I am sure that we can help you with
the trouble you are having with your remote control. In order for me
to help you with the trouble you are having with your remote control,
can you please tell me what trouble you are having with your remote
control?

Me: The volume control button sticks.

Tech: I'm sorry to hear that the trouble you are having with your
remote control is that the volume control button on your remote
control is sticking. I think the best way to help you with trouble you
are having with your remote control which is that the volume control
button is sticking on your remote control is to send you a new remote
control. Will that be a satisfactory way to eliminate the trouble you
are having with your remote control which is that the volume control
button on your remote control is sticking?

Me: Yes, that will be fine. Thank you.

Tech: You're welcome. I hope you have are satisfied with the help I
have given you regarding the trouble you are having with your remote
control which is that the volume control button is sticking on your
remote control. Is there anything else I can help you with besides
shipping out a replacement remote control which will hopefully
eliminate the trouble you are having with your remote control which is
that the volume control button on your remote control is sticking.

Me: Uh...sorry, could you repeat that?

On Nov 12, 2:26*pm, "John D99" wrote:
"RicodJour" wrote in message
On Nov 12, 11:37 am, "John D99" wrote:
wrote in message

==
This guy is an obvious homophobe.
==

Wrong. I don't want homosexuals to be victimized.

==
It is a shame that you are scared to enter a library due to your self-
abuse problem.
==

This is exactly the kind of trash that gay activists throw up in fear
whenever somebody sauys something they don't like
You are a sick little *****.

Go back to posting about your fantasies about "men keeping each other warm"
and sheep, as you have in the past, ****.

I think you might be squeezing just a bit too tightly - you're
obviously cutting off the blood supply to your brain. If you're going
to quote me, at least _quote_ me. "I'm very quotable." See? I just
did it.

Actually that almost-quote is a little tidbit from another newsgroup,
some people here, with a sense of humor and no "Hey! The GAYS are
coming!" attitude, might enjoy the sheep video. The video has been
around for a while, so a lot of people might have already seen it.
Here it is, Joan, better hide your eyes and children.

"Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: RicodJour
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:19:30 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 11 2009 2:19 pm
Subject: For Ricodjour and his sheep fantasy
On Nov 11, 12:30 pm, z wrote:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/...id=17075685001
I've seen that before - it's truly amazing and makes me realize I
don't drink enough.
I can just picture those guys out there on a cold night trying to stay
warm with just a few bottles of whiskey and a few hundred sheep."

BTW, what's wrong with a ****? You use the term disparagingly (Google
the word) and I'm not sure why. Actually, I am sure why - you have
sexual identity issues, misogyny, homophobia, general intolerance,
lack of suitable newsgroup posting and attribution skills, attention
disorder, and you're just a schmuck (Google it) in general. Where
other people laugh things off, you get scared. It's okay. Remember,
you're good enough, you're smart enough, and darn it, people _like_
you! Hmmm, well, in your case we should probably just leave it at,
You are you - and thank God there are no more.

R

PS To the general group: Are you more concerned about what your kids
see on TV or what they run across on the Internet?

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:22:16 -0600, AZ Nomad
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:25:15 -0500, dadiOH wrote:
desgnr wrote:
What is best ?
Comcast Cable TV or Satellite TV
If Satellite which provider is best deal ?

Best? There is no best. They all give you a jillion stations most of which
no one in their right mind ever watches and all of which are loaded to the
gills wih commercials. And at an inflated price *because* they are giving
you all that junk.

Why can't we pay a basic fee for service and then pick and choose the
channels we want?

I'm still ****ed at how they have put a lock in what equipment
(theirs which is crap) you can use to record digital programming.


I'm wondering how they do that. I can record hi-def digital TV
programs on my PC which has an inexpensive tuner.

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:27:56 -0500, "
wrote:

desgnr wrote:
What is best ?
Comcast Cable TV or Satellite TV
If Satellite which provider is best deal ?



We presently have satellite TV. I am contemplating doing without TV.
News? I'll buy a Sunday newspaper now and then, and otherwise watch the
sky for storm clouds, smoke and/or fire. Let me know when they pass
healthcare reform. )


I have not had cable TV nor satellite in over 20 years and don't miss
it at all. I get faster/better news on the Internet and (free)
radio. Yeah, I got to know when they pass the health reform too, I'm
not buying it, maybe leaving to somewhere else with more freedom.

The Daring Dufas wrote:

My objection centers around a government entity in competition with
private business.

Good point, look how the Postal Service drove UPS and Fedex out of
business.

Impossible, The Postal Service is a bastion of Affirmative Action.

For the sake of argument let's say that's correct, does that mean you think
employee productivity can be predicted based on race?

It will never be able to compete with the private sector unless
something like Obama Care for letter and package delivery is signed
into law taking away the business from private companies.

TDD

Oh, really, so to what do you attribute the Postal Service's ability to be
self-sufficient and even profitable without taxpayer support since the early
1980s? The USPS is the second-largest employer in the country, only
Wal-Mart hands out more paychecks. If they can't compete with the private
sector, how come they've been doing exactly that for the past
quarter-century? Their legal monopoly is on a product private couriers
couldn't handle anyway, at least not at the prices the USPS charges and sure
as hell not with guaranteed delivery everywhere. Can you imagine UPS or
Fedex delivering a letter to a rural address across the country for under a
dollar?

As for affirmative action, for many years we've had the best mailman ever, a
super nice guy who invariably goes above and beyond the call of duty. I
wish the goofs from the courier companies were as conscientious as he is, he
sure doesn't toss a package on the porch without a care as to whether it's
still there when we get home. Oh, yeah, he's black, imagine that.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 12, 4:06 pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
Red Green wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote in news:hdf3mc$9g$1
@news.eternal-september.org:
RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 11, 8:48 am, "desgnr" wrote:
(snip)

the trouble you are having with your remote control which is
that the volume control button on your remote control is sticking.

Me: Uh...sorry, could you repeat that?


Stop it, y'all. I'm cringing in remembered pain. I had to deal with
Indian call centers twice this week.

Standard disclaimer- nothing against the individuals way over there
answering the phone. They are all very nice, and I can handle that
British they speak rather than proper 'Murrican english. I can even
handle the fake western names. The stupid script they have to follow
tries my patience, but having a help desk at my office I understand how
all that works. But the accents stretch the limits of my patience.
Having to spell out everything makes a simple task take 3 times as long.
Maybe if they had real phone lines instead of crappy VOIP for the
international leg, it would be better.

--
aem sends...

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:14:24 -0800 (PST), RickH
wrote:

On Nov 11, 7:48*am, "desgnr" wrote:
What is best ?
Comcast Cable TV or Satellite TV
If Satellite which provider is best deal ?

--
Dell Inspiron
Pentium dual-core 2.2 GHz
2 GB DDR2 SDRAM
Windows Vista Home Premium SP1

If you need internet access, Comcast is blazingly fast, the satellite
companies all partner with the local telco and provide DSL.

If it were not for the excellent Internet access I get, I would
probably opt for satellite, but I need a real fast Internet and I
added phone to get the triple play bundle.

Comcast recently went all digital with all channels except those you
can get locally with an antenna, what that means is you can use your
CATV tuners to get local channels with no converter box. All other
channels require some kind of Comcast converter box (2 are free, the
rest you rent).

No matter who you get, it will be a love/hate relationship.


Comcast Internet: $55 a month and $50 installation
AT&T DSL Lite: $20 a month, free self-install.

I asked Comcast why they do not compete with AT&T's DSL lite? She
told me they need the money to feed their families. I told her I do
too.

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:23:22 -0500, Phisherman wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:22:16 -0600, AZ Nomad
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:25:15 -0500, dadiOH wrote:
desgnr wrote:
What is best ?
Comcast Cable TV or Satellite TV
If Satellite which provider is best deal ?

Best? There is no best. They all give you a jillion stations most of which
no one in their right mind ever watches and all of which are loaded to the
gills wih commercials. And at an inflated price *because* they are giving
you all that junk.

Why can't we pay a basic fee for service and then pick and choose the
channels we want?

I'm still ****ed at how they have put a lock in what equipment
(theirs which is crap) you can use to record digital programming.


I'm wondering how they do that. I can record hi-def digital TV
programs on my PC which has an inexpensive tuner.

My local cable company encrypts everything that isn't available over
the air.

Order HBO and try recording that over your inexpensive tuner and then
get back to me.

Phisherman wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:14:24 -0800 (PST), RickH
wrote:

On Nov 11, 7:48 am, "desgnr" wrote:
What is best ?
Comcast Cable TV or Satellite TV
If Satellite which provider is best deal ?

--
Dell Inspiron
Pentium dual-core 2.2 GHz
2 GB DDR2 SDRAM
Windows Vista Home Premium SP1
If you need internet access, Comcast is blazingly fast, the satellite
companies all partner with the local telco and provide DSL.

If it were not for the excellent Internet access I get, I would
probably opt for satellite, but I need a real fast Internet and I
added phone to get the triple play bundle.

Comcast recently went all digital with all channels except those you
can get locally with an antenna, what that means is you can use your
CATV tuners to get local channels with no converter box. All other
channels require some kind of Comcast converter box (2 are free, the
rest you rent).

No matter who you get, it will be a love/hate relationship.


Comcast Internet: $55 a month and $50 installation
AT&T DSL Lite: $20 a month, free self-install.

I asked Comcast why they do not compete with AT&T's DSL lite? She
told me they need the money to feed their families. I told her I do
too.

I wish AT&T would expand their DSL circle another half-mile to include
my house. I know the outside plant involved, and know it would work fine
here. But since the abortive (around here, at least)U-verse rollout, I
think any DSL expansion is frozen. I had to go with a 3rd party DSL
provider on a dry pair, at twice what ATT would charge for the same
speed. And around here, Comcast bends you over- their service is 20-30
bucks more expensive.

--
aem sends...

"Phisherman" wrote in message
...
Best deal is a one time charge
of $20 for an antenna unless you like paying $50 a month. I bought 4
antennas, picked the one with the best reception and returned three to
the store. The most expensive antenna was the worst, but I'm not
surprised.

Cheapest, but not the best deal. You need cable or satellite to get History
Channel, Discovery, HDNet, Science Channel and other stations with
interesting programs. I'll take Modern Marvels over Oprah any day.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Phisherman" wrote in message
...
Best deal is a one time charge
of $20 for an antenna unless you like paying $50 a month. I bought 4
antennas, picked the one with the best reception and returned three to
the store. The most expensive antenna was the worst, but I'm not
surprised.

Cheapest, but not the best deal. You need cable or satellite to get History
Channel, Discovery, HDNet, Science Channel and other stations with
interesting programs. I'll take Modern Marvels over Oprah any day.


Yeah, the channels like that are how I rationalize the fifty bucks a
month I **** away on TV. Like I don't stare at glowing phosphors enough
in my day job, plus on here at night.

--
aem sends...

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message news:64fb1910-c21b-4390-9441-
Here's what I hate - although I understand why they do it...

Customer Service Rep: Hi, this is Todd. How may I provide exceptional
service today?

Me: I'm having trouble with my remote control.

CSR: I see. I understand that you are having trouble with your remote
control. I am sorry to hear that. I am sure that we can help you with
the trouble you are having with your remote control. In order for me
to help you with the trouble you are having with your remote control,
can you please tell me what trouble you are having with your remote
control?

Me: The volume control button sticks.

CSR: I'm sorry to hear that the trouble you are having with your
remote control is that the volume control button on your remote
control is sticking. Before I transfer you to a technical support
specialist, is there anything else I can help you with besides the
trouble you are having with your remote control which is that the
volume control button is sticking on your remote control?

Me: No. Thank you.

CSR: You're welcome. I hope you have are satified with the help I have
given you regarding the trouble you are having with your remote
control which is that the volume control button is sticking on your
remote control. I'll transfer you now.

... Music and commercials for products and services are heard...

Tech Support: Hi, this is Lori, how may I provide exceptional service
today?

Me: I'm having trouble with my remote control.

Tech: I see. I understand that you are having trouble with your remote
control. I am sorry to hear that. I am sure that we can help you with
the trouble you are having with your remote control. In order for me
to help you with the trouble you are having with your remote control,
can you please tell me what trouble you are having with your remote
control?

Me: The volume control button sticks.

Tech: I'm sorry to hear that the trouble you are having with your
remote control is that the volume control button on your remote
control is sticking. I think the best way to help you with trouble you
are having with your remote control which is that the volume control
button is sticking on your remote control is to send you a new remote
control. Will that be a satisfactory way to eliminate the trouble you
are having with your remote control which is that the volume control
button on your remote control is sticking?

Me: Yes, that will be fine. Thank you.

Tech: You're welcome. I hope you have are satisfied with the help I
have given you regarding the trouble you are having with your remote
control which is that the volume control button is sticking on your
remote control. Is there anything else I can help you with besides
shipping out a replacement remote control which will hopefully
eliminate the trouble you are having with your remote control which is
that the volume control button on your remote control is sticking.

Me: Uh...sorry, could you repeat that?

DD,

If that's all you've had to put up with you're doing well!

Normally you have to struggle through a series of inane questions like:

Have you tried the remote on another cable box?

Have you tried power-cycling the cable box? And the other one you tried it on?

Have you tried replacing the batteries? What brand of batteries are you using? Are they
out-of-date?

Have you tried cleaning the battery terminals?

Have you tried cleaning the batteries?

Have you tried cleaning your fingers?

Have you tried cleaning the table the remote is stored on?

Have you tried plugging the cable box into another outlet?

Have you tried reversing the AC plug on the cable box?

Have you tried the cable box on another TV?

How is the cable box connected to your TV? Have you tried a different connection?

What brand is your TV? Have you tried a different one?

Have you tried cleaning your TV?

Have you tried holding the remote differently?

Have you cleaned the remote?

Have you cleaned the volume button? What did you clean it with?

Are there any bright lights on in the room? Is the sun hitting the cable box or the remote or
the TV?

Have you tried using an IR sensor and protocol analyzer to check the data coming from the
remote?

Have you tried buying an injection-molding machine and making a new housing for the remote?

Have you tried buying an injection-molding machine and making new buttons for the remote?

....all in a desperate (and lengthy) effort to avoid sending you another $5 remote control*.

;^)

Eric Law

*Actually a lot of this is based in truth. On more than one occasion, I've watched techs argue with
Dell support for over half an hour to get a fan replaced! Not some expensive exotic fan, just
standard case fans on desktop PCs.

Phisherman wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:22:16 -0600, AZ Nomad
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:25:15 -0500, dadiOH wrote:
desgnr wrote:
What is best ?
Comcast Cable TV or Satellite TV
If Satellite which provider is best deal ?
Best? There is no best. They all give you a jillion stations most of which
no one in their right mind ever watches and all of which are loaded to the
gills wih commercials. And at an inflated price *because* they are giving
you all that junk.
Why can't we pay a basic fee for service and then pick and choose the
channels we want?
I'm still ****ed at how they have put a lock in what equipment
(theirs which is crap) you can use to record digital programming.


I'm wondering how they do that. I can record hi-def digital TV
programs on my PC which has an inexpensive tuner.

Likely you can record SD not HD. They can instantly stop you from doing
it by encrypting the content. Don't expect things to get better because
the hollywood types are big liberals and tell Obama what they want.

HeyBub wrote:
DGDevin wrote:
HeyBub wrote:

Not wanting the conversation to degenerate into a poor relation to
the Monty Python Cheese Shop skit, I asked: "Okay, what DO you have?"

"We have hand puppets, video games, CD music, hardback best-sellers
(put your name on the list). We have art work to loan out, paperback
romances (leave two, take two), a few toys and lots of puzzles. Over
there are the computers where you can surf the net..."

****ers have completely abrogated their role as a repository of
knowledge! Scrape 'em off the face of the earth, I say.
An amusing if unconvincing yarn. My local library (a fine old
red-brick neo-classical building) is well-stocked with books
(including home improvement titles), and if I want something they
don't have they'll happily order it from another branch. They even
bought a new book I was interested in which I considered pretty good
service. They have a good CD collection too, lots of blues and jazz.
However if you can demonstrate that your local library no longer
carries books on history, science, art and so on and has just
best-sellers and romances, I'll be prepared to reconsider your
apocryphal tale.

The tale is not "apocryphal," it's "anecdotal," as anyone who's steeped in
the knowledge a classical library could provide would know.

Admittedly, I did exaggerate for the purpose of emphasis. The local library
I visited DID have lots of books. They had oodles of children's books, which
is a Good Thing (tm). They had a robust selection of classic fiction (Tom
Sawyer, Scarlet Letter, Moby Dick, etc.). A good section on DIY and other
areas of interest.

I'm in the book business (once removed) and it irritates me that a library
could have 25 copies of the latest Stephen King novel in inventory and zero
copies of Marquis Who's Who. [Did you know there's a huge business in
RENTING best sellers to libraries? (see "Brodart")]

Oh well.

Many years ago, I spent almost a day in that library researching an
interesting question. I discovered that the following people were not
qualified, by law, to teach in the public schools of my state:
* All living Nobel Prize winners.
* All living winners of the Field's Medal
* All living winners of the Pulitzer, Hugo, Edgar, Newberry, Booker, or
other well-known literary prize.
* All members of the Supreme Court and the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.
* All members of my state's Congressional delegation.


Not getting your point. My friend is a renowned surgeon and he can't
legally provide service in your state. To do so he would need to apply
to the appropriate state licensing board just like all of the folks you
mentioned who weren't "qualified"...


Today, of course, I could conduct the same research faster and better via
the internet. So maybe libraries are merely morphing into something related,
but different (like "The March Of Dimes" did when Polio disappeared), and
keeping the same name.

I guess I really should keep up...