Jack Valance wrote:

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I have a 32x24 shop and my garage door cable came off..
I bent the top left tracks, I went bought a new one and put it on.
How many turns do you give the spring? I have 1 spring and I guess it is a 18' door
When you turn the spring do you turn it forward??
Do I need to have the door DOWN? Do my turning then attach the cable when the door is down.
Being cut back 3 days a week, I got to fix this my self
Id appreciate any advice
Dave in Tennessee

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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:33:51 -0500, Jim wrote:

Jack Valance wrote:

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I have a 32x24 shop and my garage door cable came off..
I bent the top left tracks, I went bought a new one and put it on.
How many turns do you give the spring? I have 1 spring and I guess it is a 18' door
When you turn the spring do you turn it forward??
Do I need to have the door DOWN? Do my turning then attach the cable when the door is down.
Being cut back 3 days a week, I got to fix this my self
Id appreciate any advice
Dave in Tennessee

would one of you home repair people give Jack a word or two concerning
his request. Jack posted this is misc.rural and would most likely be
reading or expecting replies in misc.rural..

Jack you might want to subscribe to alt.home.repair to look for replies...

Read this: http://www.truetex.com/garage.htm

Jim wrote:
Jack Valance wrote:

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I have a 32x24 shop and my garage door cable came off..
I bent the top left tracks, I went bought a new one and put it on.
How many turns do you give the spring? I have 1 spring and I guess it is a 18' door
When you turn the spring do you turn it forward??
Do I need to have the door DOWN? Do my turning then attach the cable when the door is down.
Being cut back 3 days a week, I got to fix this my self
Id appreciate any advice
Dave in Tennessee

would one of you home repair people give Jack a word or two concerning
his request. Jack posted this is misc.rural and would most likely be
reading or expecting replies in misc.rural..

Jack you might want to subscribe to alt.home.repair to look for replies...
Hi,
With proper tool and door down, start from about 30 turns. and door
should be in neutral state. It should move up/down easy with one hand
push/pull. Hwew one cable snapped during summer(TG, not in winter) and I
went thru replacing cables, rewinding springs, brackets and learned how
to do it.

Jim wrote:
Jack Valance wrote:
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I have a 32x24 shop and my garage door cable came off..
I bent the top left tracks, I went bought a new one and put it on.
How many turns do you give the spring? I have 1 spring and I guess it is a 18' door
When you turn the spring do you turn it forward??
Do I need to have the door DOWN? Do my turning then attach the cable when the door is down.
Being cut back 3 days a week, I got to fix this my self
Id appreciate any advice
Dave in Tennessee

would one of you home repair people give Jack a word or two concerning
his request. Jack posted this is misc.rural and would most likely be
reading or expecting replies in misc.rural..

Jack you might want to subscribe to alt.home.repair to look for replies...

If you don't know which way to turn the spring, it sounds as if your
knowledge in this type of work is very limited. Add to that, tightening
a coil spring like that can be very dangerous. A good number of people
end up with a bloody door and a trip to the emergency room. I suggest
you hire a pro.

If you don't know which way to turn the spring, it sounds as if your
knowledge in this type of work is very limited. *Add to that, tightening
a coil spring like that can be very dangerous. *A good number of people
end up with a bloody door and a trip to the emergency room. *I suggest
you hire a pro.-

Bingo. If you do not have the correct tools for this you will more
than likely become injured.

I got 2 2' 1 1/2 smooth rounds for this. I just got to know about the
perticulars.. I'm cut back 3days a week and I sure ain't got $75 to pay
somebody.
Hell it can't be rocket science,

Acutally I found a guy at work who use to do this, he is coming over
Thursday and do it.. Gonna give him $40 to do it.
Fact I found 3/4 craftsman opener, 2 remotes and a key pad on craigs list
for $40 bucks.. Really don't need that much hp a 1/2 ought to do.
Guy got his house repossed and he is gutting it selling about eveything he
can

See now I done spent $80 bucks I aint got.. I got to sell something to get
at least $40

Boys if you ain't hit hard times you lucky. Folks around these parts are
hurting.. Mill closed down 6 months ago.
Folks about now are scrambleing to make ends.

I'm acutally lucky I still got a job and insurance. I got a daughter in Med
school. Yea I been living over my means for years and it has about caught
up.
Your used to putting in 60hrs a week for the last 15 years and now 36...
Sundays was double time and it has been gone a year..
My damn Obama check ain't come in yet.

Serioulsy
Thanks for the answers

Jack Valance wrote:
I got 2 2' 1 1/2 smooth rounds for this. I just got to know about the
perticulars.. I'm cut back 3days a week and I sure ain't got $75 to pay
somebody.
Hell it can't be rocket science,

Acutally I found a guy at work who use to do this, he is coming over
Thursday and do it.. Gonna give him $40 to do it.

Glad you found someone with experience. Seriously, I feel better now.

On Nov 10, 11:27*am, Tony wrote:
Jack Valance wrote:
I got 2 2' 1 1/2 smooth rounds for this. I just got to know about the
perticulars.. I'm cut back 3days a week and I sure ain't got $75 to pay
somebody.
Hell it can't be rocket science,

Acutally I found a guy at work who use to do this, he is coming over
Thursday and do it.. Gonna give him $40 to do it.

Glad you found someone with experience. *Seriously, I feel better now.

I hope he has homeowner's insurance to cover it in case it turns out
the guy from work is the one that gets injured. If you hire a real
door company and make sure they are insured, you're pretty much off
the hook if they get hurt or killed.

I do lots of my own work myself. I draw the line when it comes to
getting some other uninsured amature involved, particularly having
them do something that is known to be potentially dangerous

wrote:

Tony wrote:
Jack Valance wrote:
I got 2 2' 1 1/2 smooth rounds for this. I just got to know about the
perticulars.. I'm cut back 3days a week and I sure ain't got $75 to pay
somebody.
Hell it can't be rocket science,

Acutally I found a guy at work who use to do this, he is coming over
Thursday and do it.. Gonna give him $40 to do it.

Glad you found someone with experience. Seriously, I feel better now.

I hope he has homeowner's insurance to cover it in case it turns out
the guy from work is the one that gets injured. If you hire a real
door company and make sure they are insured, you're pretty much off
the hook if they get hurt or killed.

I do lots of my own work myself. I draw the line when it comes to
getting some other uninsured amature involved, particularly having
them do something that is known to be potentially dangerous

pretty sad how this thread went from someone asking how to do something
to concerns over issues of liabilities.

I still enjoy the imaginary illusions of this once having been a nation
of people who took responsibility for their own actions.

On Nov 11, 5:56*pm, Jim wrote:

I still enjoy the imaginary illusions of this once having been a nation
of people who took responsibility for their own actions.

Having one of the deeper pockets in this group, I can assure you that
responsibilities for one's actions, as well as station in life, are
fading very quickly.

Even those that want to work have to be monitored in person, it
seems. I can get more done by myself, some days, than the three
people put together that are supposedly working for me. Complacency,
Peter Principle, sloth.... I dunno what it is.

Anyway, back to garage doors. The springs on mine are fine. But
somebody moved a microwave stand under the track,which I did not see
from the house door, and I lowered the door onto it (automatic/
motorized garage door). Being in a growling mood at the time, I
pushed the issue. End result has been the breaking of the windows in
the top panel of the door, as well as fracture of the top 2x4/header
(dunno the terminology). Need to get this fixed in the next few
weeks, so I can lower this North facing door and keep the house warmer
this winter.

never a dull moment.....
Linda H.

Jim wrote:
wrote:

Tony wrote:
Jack Valance wrote:
I got 2 2' 1 1/2 smooth rounds for this. I just got to know about the
perticulars.. I'm cut back 3days a week and I sure ain't got $75 to pay
somebody.
Hell it can't be rocket science,
Acutally I found a guy at work who use to do this, he is coming over
Thursday and do it.. Gonna give him $40 to do it.
Glad you found someone with experience. Seriously, I feel better now.
I hope he has homeowner's insurance to cover it in case it turns out
the guy from work is the one that gets injured. If you hire a real
door company and make sure they are insured, you're pretty much off
the hook if they get hurt or killed.

I do lots of my own work myself. I draw the line when it comes to
getting some other uninsured amature involved, particularly having
them do something that is known to be potentially dangerous

pretty sad how this thread went from someone asking how to do something
to concerns over issues of liabilities.

I still enjoy the imaginary illusions of this once having been a nation
of people who took responsibility for their own actions.

Sad indeed. Even worse is how having insurance can be its own liability.
A friend works for a court reporting service and while I can never be
told the details of some of the depositions that are taken, I do get to
hear some appalling stories which all too often involve a person who
ends up as the plaintiff in a lawsuit against a friend or relative because
an insurance company wants to get someone else to pay for the bills from
an event that they had agreed to provide coverage for.

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On Nov 12, 9:53*am, Linda Hungerford
wrote:
On Nov 11, 5:56*pm, Jim wrote:



I still enjoy the imaginary illusions of this once having been a nation
of people who took responsibility for their own actions.

Having one of the deeper pockets in this group, I can assure you that
responsibilities for one's actions, as well as station in life, are
fading very quickly.

Even those that want to work have to be monitored in person, it
seems. *I can get more done by myself, some days, than the three
people put together that are supposedly working for me. *Complacency,
Peter Principle, sloth.... I dunno what it is.

Anyway, back to garage doors. *The springs on mine are fine. *But
somebody moved a microwave stand under the track,which I did not see
from the house door, and I lowered the door onto it (automatic/
motorized *garage door). *Being in a growling mood at the time, I
pushed the issue. *End result has been the breaking of the windows in
the top panel of the door, as well as fracture of the top 2x4/header
(dunno the terminology). *Need to get this fixed in the next few
weeks, so I can lower this North facing door and keep the house warmer
this winter.

never a dull moment.....
Linda H.

Replace the top panel. Mine broke like that because Sears installed
the opener wrong. It took maybe 30 minutes for the guys to replace
it.Cant help with the cost info Sears paid for it.


Jimmie

Linda Hungerford wrote:

Jim wrote:
I still enjoy the imaginary illusions of this once having been a nation
of people who took responsibility for their own actions.


Having one of the deeper pockets in this group, I can assure you that...


Exactly how did you come to this conclusion?

BTW, you posted across no less than 3 groups so you've covered a lot
more territory than "this group" with your opinion.

AL

Linda Hungerford wrote:

Jim wrote:

I still enjoy the imaginary illusions of this once having been a nation
of people who took responsibility for their own actions.

Having one of the deeper pockets in this group, I can assure you that
responsibilities for one's actions, as well as station in life, are
fading very quickly.

speaking of deeper pockets and fading, have you ever bought a pair
of Red Camel Blue jeans? I mean seriously it's really fun trying
to reach the loose change in the bottom of the pocket when the pocket
goes all the way down to your knees... what were they thinking when
they came up with this deep pocket design....
http://www.belk.com/AST/Boutiques/Bo...Shop/Jeans.jsp
http://www.belk.com/AST/Boutiques/Bo...Shop/Jeans.jsp





Even those that want to work have to be monitored in person, it
seems. I can get more done by myself, some days, than the three
people put together that are supposedly working for me. Complacency,
Peter Principle, sloth.... I dunno what it is.

that's precisely why I Farm soybeans and not some extremely labor
intensive crop requiring a crew of field labors.

On the Farming news for this year, three weeks ago the group
6 beans were in prefect condition to be cut so I got in Big
Buba Truck® to move him over to the field I'd selected to start
in and found out the truck had zero brakes, like pedal to the
floor kind of zero brakes... The repair started at a leaking
front wheel cylinder and progressed until I had replaced all
six wheel cylinders plus the master cylinder and several fluid
lines which busted during testing the repair. and yep, all I
could see was dollar signs when I did finally get the rear
axles out just so I could remove the rear brake drums to reveal
dual wheel cylinders at 48 dollars each. Then there was the fun
of trying to locate a parts house with parts for a 1973 Ford F600.
it was during my parts search I learned how there are 4 different
rear end types, four different rear brake systems and four
different styles of axle seals for a 1973 F600. So I just kept
laughing and searching. To my amazement CarQuest shocked me by
having more of the correct parts than those so called heavy truck
specialist. Anyhow, with that behind me now, I got the truck put
back together on the day before it started raining here four days
ago. Yep, it has rained for the last four days with present total
accumulation in my rain gauge currently now at 4 and 2/10s inches
with more rain for tomorrow and Saturday in the forecast.

It'll take 7 days of no rain for the land that drains good and 14
days for those spots that don't drain well before I'll even consider
taking that JD3300 combine out into the fields... oh well, maybe
I'm going to get my wish of not having to ride in a hot miserable cab..


Anyway, back to garage doors. The springs on mine are fine. But
somebody moved a microwave stand under the track,which I did not see
from the house door, and I lowered the door onto it (automatic/
motorized garage door). Being in a growling mood at the time, I
pushed the issue. End result has been the breaking of the windows in
the top panel of the door, as well as fracture of the top 2x4/header
(dunno the terminology). Need to get this fixed in the next few
weeks, so I can lower this North facing door and keep the house warmer
this winter.

never a dull moment.....
Linda H.

best wishes 2U in obtaining a proper and adequate repair.
and yes, like Farming, "never a dull moment....."

Jim said...

I hate to do this to you, bud, but maybe it will come
in handy next time. (It's sure a lot cheaper ...)

Jim wrote:

[...] The repair started at a leaking
front wheel cylinder and progressed until I had replaced all
six wheel cylinders plus the master cylinder and several fluid
lines which busted during testing the repair.

The leaking (most probably) started in the rubber
seals (disc brakes) and rubber cups (behind the
little pistons inside drum brake cylinders). Very
similar seals are used in master cylinders.

Since 'rebuild kits' for almost any cylinder are
readily available (containing cups, pistons, and
internal springs) for LESS THAN 1/10th THE PRICE
of a cylinder, it makes sense to use them.

Added benefit: you don't have to remove anywhere
near as many pieces to replace the internals of
the cylinder.

Another 'cheating' hint for cleaning out any gunk
rings inside the cylinder: you can always insert
a finger into the cylinder. A fingernail is hard
enough to scrape it away, but not hard enough to
gouge the interior walls. I've even used some
very fine-grit rouge cloth over the end of a dowel
to buff the inside walls smooth of gunk. (not
recommended unless you **scrupulously** flush the
interior with copious amounts of brake fluid,
afterward . . . before installing the guts.)

BTW - the only time you can't use the rebuild kits
(which often are the only things - beside washing -
that are changed out in a 'factory-rebuilt' cylinder)
is when the cylinder has been physically damaged in
an accident: gouges, cracks, etc.

P.S. - there aren't really that many different interior-
diameter cylinders used on consumer/business vehicles.
Most times, you can get away with just replacing the
rubber cups, leaving the springs and pistons alone, with
nothing more than cleaning them up. If you leave the
springs alone, you don't have to worry about different-
length cylinders of a particular inside diameter.
The cup set alone should be about a dollar. (Maybe twice
that today, with Obama's counterfeit dollars.)

In article ,
(Dweezil Dwarftosser) says...

Another 'cheating' hint for cleaning out any gunk
rings inside the cylinder: you can always insert
a finger into the cylinder. A fingernail is hard
enough to scrape it away, but not hard enough to
gouge the interior walls. I've even used some
very fine-grit rouge cloth over the end of a dowel
to buff the inside walls smooth of gunk. (not
recommended unless you **scrupulously** flush the
interior with copious amounts of brake fluid,
afterward . . . before installing the guts.)

A brake cylinder hone is cheap, and lets you do a complete factory
rebuild on the brake cylinder.

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