A while back I had to demo a kitchen cabinet to allow a new fridge to be
moved in... I was in a time crunch and didn't have time to go to a real
paint store that day so I went to That Orange-Colored Store and had them
mix me a quart of paint. I took with me a vent grille that had been
painted over to color match. The guy tried, and even wasted a quart on
his first try when it came out too dark (color is a flat white tinted
slightly blue) second try looked good in the store but when I painted
the wall it ended up slightly more brownish-grey than the rest of the
wall. (I also used almost the whole quart just to cover the area that
was behind one large kitchen cabinet...)

Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my house,
and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to address
(changing light fixtures in living room and removing mirror over mantel;
repainting ceiling at top of stair landing where it was badly prepped;
painting kitchen ceiling where I demo'd an ugly fluorescent fixture and
never patched/painted the ceiling) but we're not quite ready to repaint
any whole rooms yet. So I would really like to have a couple more
quarts of paint matched to the existing so I can keep doing spot repairs
as I get motivated and not have the house look all ghetto and have
primer spots all over the darn place until whatever room gets a full
repaint.

Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit the
closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille with me.
They "matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked up two
quarts (they used Benjamin Moore base.) I just opened one and spread a
little paint on the corner of said vent, it looks like a pure white in
comparison. Not even anywhere near as close as the paint I got from HD.

The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's obvious
that there's a paint mismatch. Is that about the best I can hope for
(in which case I should go back to HD and get a couple more quarts of
the same thing I got last time,) or should I take everything back to the
real paint store and let them try again? I realize you can't see what
I'm working with so you can't really say "that's about as good as it
gets, you're being too picky, just deal until you repaint" or "you can
do better than that, you've just had bad luck with paint guys" (but I
guess that's kind of the feedback I really need)

Not sure if posting pics would help, but if it would, I can take a pic
of the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the kitchen wall...

nate

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"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
A while back I had to demo a kitchen cabinet to allow a new fridge to be
moved in... I was in a time crunch and didn't have time to go to a real
paint store that day so I went to That Orange-Colored Store and had them
mix me a quart of paint. I took with me a vent grille that had been
painted over to color match. The guy tried, and even wasted a quart on his
first try when it came out too dark (color is a flat white tinted slightly
blue) second try looked good in the store but when I painted the wall it
ended up slightly more brownish-grey than the rest of the wall. (I also
used almost the whole quart just to cover the area that was behind one
large kitchen cabinet...)

Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my house,
and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to address (changing
light fixtures in living room and removing mirror over mantel; repainting
ceiling at top of stair landing where it was badly prepped; painting
kitchen ceiling where I demo'd an ugly fluorescent fixture and never
patched/painted the ceiling) but we're not quite ready to repaint any
whole rooms yet. So I would really like to have a couple more quarts of
paint matched to the existing so I can keep doing spot repairs as I get
motivated and not have the house look all ghetto and have primer spots all
over the darn place until whatever room gets a full repaint.

Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit the
closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille with me. They
"matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked up two quarts
(they used Benjamin Moore base.) I just opened one and spread a little
paint on the corner of said vent, it looks like a pure white in
comparison. Not even anywhere near as close as the paint I got from HD.

The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's obvious
that there's a paint mismatch. Is that about the best I can hope for (in
which case I should go back to HD and get a couple more quarts of the same
thing I got last time,) or should I take everything back to the real paint
store and let them try again? I realize you can't see what I'm working
with so you can't really say "that's about as good as it gets, you're
being too picky, just deal until you repaint" or "you can do better than
that, you've just had bad luck with paint guys" (but I guess that's kind
of the feedback I really need)

Not sure if posting pics would help, but if it would, I can take a pic of
the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the kitchen wall...

nate

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Paint is a bitch. Even if you do save those things they put on the top of
paint cans stating exactly how many parts of which color they put in it, you
can have another gallon made down the road, and it comes out looking
different.

This can be for several reasons:

The substrate. Putting it on different things. Different brands of
drywall. Kilz or no Kilz? Primer or no primer? Which primer? How long
has it been there, and how much UV rays from the sun has lightened it? If
it is in a kitchen or bath area, how much oil or steam has changed the
color? Paint looks different after it has soaked into a wall for five years
than that which is a week old.

I have kept those little color things, and gone back later and gotten
EXACTLY the same mix, and painted it on, and it looks different than the
paint on there. Even clothes fade. Car paint jobs fade.

NEVER EVER EVER EVER LOOK AT PAINT UNTIL IT HAS DRIED A WEEK. It takes that
long to get even close to the color it's going to be.

It's not so much a mismatch, as you can get exactly the same paint mixed and
it won't match, it has to do with fading and lots of other factors.

Solutions: Do areas where the mismatching won't be obvious. Repaint the
whole thing from the get go. Change the color scheme so it don't matter.
If you are doing remodeling, prime properly, or Kilz, and then, it may take
two or three coats to get it exactly right. Lower expectations - what you
think is an obvious mismatch won't be noticed by others.

And lastly, consider the ambient light. Lots of paints and colors look
different when viewed at 9 AM versus 2 PM. On a sunny day, or a cloudy day.

HTH, just some things to ponder.

Steve, who knows paint will drive you batty, but only if you let it.

On Nov 3, 6:28*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
A while back I had to demo a kitchen cabinet to allow a new fridge to be
moved in... *I was in a time crunch and didn't have time to go to a real
paint store that day so I went to That Orange-Colored Store and had them
mix me a quart of paint. *I took with me a vent grille that had been
painted over to color match. *The guy tried, and even wasted a quart on
his first try when it came out too dark (color is a flat white tinted
slightly blue) second try looked good in the store but when I painted
the wall it ended up slightly more brownish-grey than the rest of the
wall. *(I also used almost the whole quart just to cover the area that
was behind one large kitchen cabinet...)

Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my house,
and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to address
(changing light fixtures in living room and removing mirror over mantel;
repainting ceiling at top of stair landing where it was badly prepped;
painting kitchen ceiling where I demo'd an ugly fluorescent fixture and
never patched/painted the ceiling) but we're not quite ready to repaint
any whole rooms yet. *So I would really like to have a couple more
quarts of paint matched to the existing so I can keep doing spot repairs
as I get motivated and not have the house look all ghetto and have
primer spots all over the darn place until whatever room gets a full
repaint.

Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit the
closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille with me.
They "matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked up two
quarts (they used Benjamin Moore base.) *I just opened one and spread a
little paint on the corner of said vent, it looks like a pure white in
comparison. *Not even anywhere near as close as the paint I got from HD..

The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's obvious
that there's a paint mismatch. *Is that about the best I can hope for
(in which case I should go back to HD and get a couple more quarts of
the same thing I got last time,) or should I take everything back to the
real paint store and let them try again? *I realize you can't see what
I'm working with so you can't really say "that's about as good as it
gets, you're being too picky, just deal until you repaint" or "you can
do better than that, you've just had bad luck with paint guys" (but I
guess that's kind of the feedback I really need)

Not sure if posting pics would help, but if it would, I can take a pic
of the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the kitchen wall....

nate

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Colors can be matched and are every day, you have to demand it and
have it dried out as a large sample like 4x4", not the drop of paint
they usualy try to get away with.

On Nov 3, 7:57*pm, ransley wrote:
On Nov 3, 6:28*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:



A while back I had to demo a kitchen cabinet to allow a new fridge to be
moved in... *I was in a time crunch and didn't have time to go to a real
paint store that day so I went to That Orange-Colored Store and had them
mix me a quart of paint. *I took with me a vent grille that had been
painted over to color match. *The guy tried, and even wasted a quart on
his first try when it came out too dark (color is a flat white tinted
slightly blue) second try looked good in the store but when I painted
the wall it ended up slightly more brownish-grey than the rest of the
wall. *(I also used almost the whole quart just to cover the area that
was behind one large kitchen cabinet...)

Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my house,
and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to address
(changing light fixtures in living room and removing mirror over mantel;
repainting ceiling at top of stair landing where it was badly prepped;
painting kitchen ceiling where I demo'd an ugly fluorescent fixture and
never patched/painted the ceiling) but we're not quite ready to repaint
any whole rooms yet. *So I would really like to have a couple more
quarts of paint matched to the existing so I can keep doing spot repairs
as I get motivated and not have the house look all ghetto and have
primer spots all over the darn place until whatever room gets a full
repaint.

Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit the
closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille with me.
They "matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked up two
quarts (they used Benjamin Moore base.) *I just opened one and spread a
little paint on the corner of said vent, it looks like a pure white in
comparison. *Not even anywhere near as close as the paint I got from HD.

The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's obvious
that there's a paint mismatch. *Is that about the best I can hope for
(in which case I should go back to HD and get a couple more quarts of
the same thing I got last time,) or should I take everything back to the
real paint store and let them try again? *I realize you can't see what
I'm working with so you can't really say "that's about as good as it
gets, you're being too picky, just deal until you repaint" or "you can
do better than that, you've just had bad luck with paint guys" (but I
guess that's kind of the feedback I really need)

Not sure if posting pics would help, but if it would, I can take a pic
of the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the kitchen wall...

nate

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Colors can be matched and are every day, you have to demand it and
have it dried out as a large sample like 4x4", not the drop of paint
they usualy try to get away with.

Define matched. If good enough is good enough, then yeah, matching is
no big deal. If you have a paint and try to match if to a color chip,
computer match it from a sample, use the exact same formula from the
exact same store using the exact same equipment, you're likely to get
three different colors and it's anyone's guess which one will be the
closest.

The whole trick to matching paint is knowing where to hide the
transition and how to hide the transition. With some paints it is
essentially impossible.

To the OP, unless you're made out of money, and have a thing for the
paint store clerk, you may want to try tweaking the paint yourself
with some universal colorant. If you're not good with colors, this
too can be almost impossible.

R

RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:57 pm, ransley wrote:
On Nov 3, 6:28 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:



A while back I had to demo a kitchen cabinet to allow a new
fridge to be moved in... I was in a time crunch and didn't have
time to go to a real paint store that day so I went to That
Orange-Colored Store and had them mix me a quart of paint. I took
with me a vent grille that had been painted over to color match.
The guy tried, and even wasted a quart on
his first try when it came out too dark (color is a flat white
tinted slightly blue) second try looked good in the store but
when I painted
the wall it ended up slightly more brownish-grey than the rest of
the wall. (I also used almost the whole quart just to cover the
area that
was behind one large kitchen cabinet...)

Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my
house, and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to
address (changing light fixtures in living room and removing
mirror over mantel; repainting ceiling at top of stair landing
where it was badly prepped; painting kitchen ceiling where I
demo'd an ugly fluorescent fixture and never patched/painted the
ceiling) but we're not quite ready to repaint any whole rooms
yet. So I would really like to have a couple more
quarts of paint matched to the existing so I can keep doing spot
repairs as I get motivated and not have the house look all ghetto
and have
primer spots all over the darn place until whatever room gets a
full repaint.

Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit
the closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille
with me.
They "matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked
up two quarts (they used Benjamin Moore base.) I just opened one
and spread a little paint on the corner of said vent, it looks
like a pure white in comparison. Not even anywhere near as close
as the paint I got from HD.

The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's
obvious that there's a paint mismatch. Is that about the best I
can hope for (in which case I should go back to HD and get a
couple more quarts of
the same thing I got last time,) or should I take everything back
to the real paint store and let them try again? I realize you
can't see what
I'm working with so you can't really say "that's about as good as
it
gets, you're being too picky, just deal until you repaint" or
"you can
do better than that, you've just had bad luck with paint guys"
(but I guess that's kind of the feedback I really need)

Not sure if posting pics would help, but if it would, I can take
a pic
of the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the
kitchen wall...

nate

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replace "roosters" with "cox" to
reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Colors can be matched and are every day, you have to demand it and
have it dried out as a large sample like 4x4", not the drop of paint
they usualy try to get away with.

Define matched. If good enough is good enough, then yeah, matching is
no big deal. If you have a paint and try to match if to a color chip,
computer match it from a sample, use the exact same formula from the
exact same store using the exact same equipment, you're likely to get
three different colors and it's anyone's guess which one will be the
closest.

The whole trick to matching paint is knowing where to hide the
transition and how to hide the transition. With some paints it is
essentially impossible.

To the OP, unless you're made out of money, and have a thing for the
paint store clerk, you may want to try tweaking the paint yourself
with some universal colorant. If you're not good with colors, this
too can be almost impossible.

R

I have done color matching in my past. It requires a good eye and good
judgement on what colour is in the original so that it can be put in the new
paint. Too much credit is given to computer color matching. To do it you
have to use expensive equipment that needs calibrating on a regular basis.
The equipment used in the BORG is cheap and most likely NEVER calibrated
once it is installed. Sometimes it will work, sometimes not, usually only a
close match.

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
A while back I had to demo a kitchen cabinet to allow a new fridge to be
moved in... I was in a time crunch and didn't have time to go to a real
paint store that day so I went to That Orange-Colored Store and had them
mix me a quart of paint. I took with me a vent grille that had been
painted over to color match. The guy tried, and even wasted a quart on his
first try when it came out too dark (color is a flat white tinted slightly
blue) second try looked good in the store but when I painted the wall it
ended up slightly more brownish-grey than the rest of the wall. (I also
used almost the whole quart just to cover the area that was behind one
large kitchen cabinet...)

Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my house,
and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to address (changing
light fixtures in living room and removing mirror over mantel; repainting
ceiling at top of stair landing where it was badly prepped; painting
kitchen ceiling where I demo'd an ugly fluorescent fixture and never
patched/painted the ceiling) but we're not quite ready to repaint any
whole rooms yet. So I would really like to have a couple more quarts of
paint matched to the existing so I can keep doing spot repairs as I get
motivated and not have the house look all ghetto and have primer spots all
over the darn place until whatever room gets a full repaint.

Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit the
closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille with me. They
"matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked up two quarts
(they used Benjamin Moore base.) I just opened one and spread a little
paint on the corner of said vent, it looks like a pure white in
comparison. Not even anywhere near as close as the paint I got from HD.

The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's obvious
that there's a paint mismatch. Is that about the best I can hope for (in
which case I should go back to HD and get a couple more quarts of the same
thing I got last time,) or should I take everything back to the real paint
store and let them try again? I realize you can't see what I'm working
with so you can't really say "that's about as good as it gets, you're
being too picky, just deal until you repaint" or "you can do better than
that, you've just had bad luck with paint guys" (but I guess that's kind
of the feedback I really need)

Not sure if posting pics would help, but if it would, I can take a pic of
the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the kitchen wall...

nate

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Matching colors "EXACTLY" is impossible....All the painters I know that buy
a few gallons of color tinted paint , dump the 1 gallon cans into a clean 5
gallon bucket and mix them to eliminate any possibility of differences
between the 1 gallon cans...Even paint mixed at the exact same place and
time will have "slight " differences , let alone trying to match old paint
which is nearly impossible...Close is as good as it gets with trying to
touch up old paint with new paint...It will ALWAYS be noticable......HTH...

"SteveB" wrote in
:


"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
A while back I had to demo a kitchen cabinet to allow a new fridge to
be moved in... I was in a time crunch and didn't have time to go to a
real paint store that day so I went to That Orange-Colored Store and
had them mix me a quart of paint. I took with me a vent grille that
had been painted over to color match. The guy tried, and even wasted
a quart on his first try when it came out too dark (color is a flat
white tinted slightly blue) second try looked good in the store but
when I painted the wall it ended up slightly more brownish-grey than
the rest of the wall. (I also used almost the whole quart just to
cover the area that was behind one large kitchen cabinet...)

Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my
house, and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to
address (changing light fixtures in living room and removing mirror
over mantel; repainting ceiling at top of stair landing where it was
badly prepped; painting kitchen ceiling where I demo'd an ugly
fluorescent fixture and never patched/painted the ceiling) but we're
not quite ready to repaint any whole rooms yet. So I would really
like to have a couple more quarts of paint matched to the existing so
I can keep doing spot repairs as I get motivated and not have the
house look all ghetto and have primer spots all over the darn place
until whatever room gets a full repaint.

Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit the
closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille with me.
They "matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked up
two quarts (they used Benjamin Moore base.) I just opened one and
spread a little paint on the corner of said vent, it looks like a
pure white in comparison. Not even anywhere near as close as the
paint I got from HD.

The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's
obvious that there's a paint mismatch. Is that about the best I can
hope for (in which case I should go back to HD and get a couple more
quarts of the same thing I got last time,) or should I take
everything back to the real paint store and let them try again? I
realize you can't see what I'm working with so you can't really say
"that's about as good as it gets, you're being too picky, just deal
until you repaint" or "you can do better than that, you've just had
bad luck with paint guys" (but I guess that's kind of the feedback I
really need)

Not sure if posting pics would help, but if it would, I can take a
pic of the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the
kitchen wall...

nate

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Paint is a bitch. Even if you do save those things they put on the
top of paint cans stating exactly how many parts of which color they
put in it, you can have another gallon made down the road, and it
comes out looking different.

This can be for several reasons:

The substrate. Putting it on different things. Different brands of
drywall. Kilz or no Kilz? Primer or no primer? Which primer? How
long has it been there, and how much UV rays from the sun has
lightened it? If it is in a kitchen or bath area, how much oil or
steam has changed the color? Paint looks different after it has
soaked into a wall for five years than that which is a week old.

I have kept those little color things, and gone back later and gotten
EXACTLY the same mix, and painted it on, and it looks different than
the paint on there. Even clothes fade. Car paint jobs fade.

NEVER EVER EVER EVER LOOK AT PAINT UNTIL IT HAS DRIED A WEEK. It
takes that long to get even close to the color it's going to be.

It's not so much a mismatch, as you can get exactly the same paint
mixed and it won't match, it has to do with fading and lots of other
factors.

Solutions: Do areas where the mismatching won't be obvious. Repaint
the whole thing from the get go. Change the color scheme so it don't
matter. If you are doing remodeling, prime properly, or Kilz, and
then, it may take two or three coats to get it exactly right. Lower
expectations - what you think is an obvious mismatch won't be noticed
by others.

And lastly, consider the ambient light. Lots of paints and colors
look different when viewed at 9 AM versus 2 PM. On a sunny day, or a
cloudy day.

HTH, just some things to ponder.

Steve, who knows paint will drive you batty, but only if you let it.




Like to add, when touching up even from an original can, blend/fog by
running the brush/roller virtually dry way past the area being done.
Differences are harder to notice.

"EXT" wrote in
anews.com:

RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:57 pm, ransley wrote:
On Nov 3, 6:28 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:



A while back I had to demo a kitchen cabinet to allow a new
fridge to be moved in... I was in a time crunch and didn't have
time to go to a real paint store that day so I went to That
Orange-Colored Store and had them mix me a quart of paint. I took
with me a vent grille that had been painted over to color match.
The guy tried, and even wasted a quart on
his first try when it came out too dark (color is a flat white
tinted slightly blue) second try looked good in the store but
when I painted
the wall it ended up slightly more brownish-grey than the rest of
the wall. (I also used almost the whole quart just to cover the
area that
was behind one large kitchen cabinet...)

Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my
house, and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to
address (changing light fixtures in living room and removing
mirror over mantel; repainting ceiling at top of stair landing
where it was badly prepped; painting kitchen ceiling where I
demo'd an ugly fluorescent fixture and never patched/painted the
ceiling) but we're not quite ready to repaint any whole rooms
yet. So I would really like to have a couple more
quarts of paint matched to the existing so I can keep doing spot
repairs as I get motivated and not have the house look all ghetto
and have
primer spots all over the darn place until whatever room gets a
full repaint.

Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit
the closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille
with me.
They "matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked
up two quarts (they used Benjamin Moore base.) I just opened one
and spread a little paint on the corner of said vent, it looks
like a pure white in comparison. Not even anywhere near as close
as the paint I got from HD.

The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's
obvious that there's a paint mismatch. Is that about the best I
can hope for (in which case I should go back to HD and get a
couple more quarts of
the same thing I got last time,) or should I take everything back
to the real paint store and let them try again? I realize you
can't see what
I'm working with so you can't really say "that's about as good as
it
gets, you're being too picky, just deal until you repaint" or
"you can
do better than that, you've just had bad luck with paint guys"
(but I guess that's kind of the feedback I really need)

Not sure if posting pics would help, but if it would, I can take
a pic
of the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the
kitchen wall...

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to
reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Colors can be matched and are every day, you have to demand it and
have it dried out as a large sample like 4x4", not the drop of
paint they usualy try to get away with.

Define matched. If good enough is good enough, then yeah, matching
is no big deal. If you have a paint and try to match if to a color
chip, computer match it from a sample, use the exact same formula
from the exact same store using the exact same equipment, you're
likely to get three different colors and it's anyone's guess which
one will be the closest.

The whole trick to matching paint is knowing where to hide the
transition and how to hide the transition. With some paints it is
essentially impossible.

To the OP, unless you're made out of money, and have a thing for the
paint store clerk, you may want to try tweaking the paint yourself
with some universal colorant. If you're not good with colors, this
too can be almost impossible.

R

I have done color matching in my past. It requires a good eye and good
judgement on what colour is in the original so that it can be put in
the new paint. Too much credit is given to computer color matching. To
do it you have to use expensive equipment that needs calibrating on a
regular basis. The equipment used in the BORG is cheap and most likely
NEVER calibrated once it is installed. Sometimes it will work,
sometimes not, usually only a close match.


I've had the same chip scanned multiple times, one right after another,
and it came up with a different formula. I'm not talking about colorant X
of 5.5 vs 5.6. I mean different colorant combos.

If you're not going to mix all your paint together before starting at
least when one gallon is half empty add a half gallon from a new can and
continue. And always shake the can before using. Lately even when I open
cans that were mixed a couple of hours ago you can see separation of
colorants. Must be more new and improved ****.

On Nov 3, 6:28*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
A while back I had to demo a kitchen cabinet to allow a new fridge to be
moved in... *I was in a time crunch and didn't have time to go to a real
paint store that day so I went to That Orange-Colored Store and had them
mix me a quart of paint. *I took with me a vent grille that had been
painted over to color match. *The guy tried, and even wasted a quart on
his first try when it came out too dark (color is a flat white tinted
slightly blue) second try looked good in the store but when I painted
the wall it ended up slightly more brownish-grey than the rest of the
wall. *(I also used almost the whole quart just to cover the area that
was behind one large kitchen cabinet...)

Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my house,
and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to address
(changing light fixtures in living room and removing mirror over mantel;
repainting ceiling at top of stair landing where it was badly prepped;
painting kitchen ceiling where I demo'd an ugly fluorescent fixture and
never patched/painted the ceiling) but we're not quite ready to repaint
any whole rooms yet. *So I would really like to have a couple more
quarts of paint matched to the existing so I can keep doing spot repairs
as I get motivated and not have the house look all ghetto and have
primer spots all over the darn place until whatever room gets a full
repaint.

Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit the
closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille with me.
They "matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked up two
quarts (they used Benjamin Moore base.) *I just opened one and spread a
little paint on the corner of said vent, it looks like a pure white in
comparison. *Not even anywhere near as close as the paint I got from HD..

The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's obvious
that there's a paint mismatch. *Is that about the best I can hope for
(in which case I should go back to HD and get a couple more quarts of
the same thing I got last time,) or should I take everything back to the
real paint store and let them try again? *I realize you can't see what
I'm working with so you can't really say "that's about as good as it
gets, you're being too picky, just deal until you repaint" or "you can
do better than that, you've just had bad luck with paint guys" (but I
guess that's kind of the feedback I really need)

Not sure if posting pics would help, but if it would, I can take a pic
of the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the kitchen wall....

nate

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If the newer paint is not "colored" enough, why not mix it with some
of the "orange store" paint that was too colored, maybe you'll get
closer.

On Nov 3, 9:27*pm, "benick" wrote:

Matching colors "EXACTLY" is impossible....All the painters I know that buy
a few gallons of color tinted paint , dump the 1 gallon cans into a clean 5
gallon bucket and mix them to eliminate any possibility of differences
between the 1 gallon cans..

That's called boxing. Why pouring one can into another can/bucket
makes it a box, I'll never know.

R

On Nov 3, 7:10*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:57*pm, ransley wrote:





On Nov 3, 6:28*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:

A while back I had to demo a kitchen cabinet to allow a new fridge to be
moved in... *I was in a time crunch and didn't have time to go to a real
paint store that day so I went to That Orange-Colored Store and had them
mix me a quart of paint. *I took with me a vent grille that had been
painted over to color match. *The guy tried, and even wasted a quart on
his first try when it came out too dark (color is a flat white tinted
slightly blue) second try looked good in the store but when I painted
the wall it ended up slightly more brownish-grey than the rest of the
wall. *(I also used almost the whole quart just to cover the area that
was behind one large kitchen cabinet...)

Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my house,
and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to address
(changing light fixtures in living room and removing mirror over mantel;
repainting ceiling at top of stair landing where it was badly prepped;
painting kitchen ceiling where I demo'd an ugly fluorescent fixture and
never patched/painted the ceiling) but we're not quite ready to repaint
any whole rooms yet. *So I would really like to have a couple more
quarts of paint matched to the existing so I can keep doing spot repairs
as I get motivated and not have the house look all ghetto and have
primer spots all over the darn place until whatever room gets a full
repaint.

Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit the
closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille with me.
They "matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked up two
quarts (they used Benjamin Moore base.) *I just opened one and spread a
little paint on the corner of said vent, it looks like a pure white in
comparison. *Not even anywhere near as close as the paint I got from HD.

The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's obvious
that there's a paint mismatch. *Is that about the best I can hope for
(in which case I should go back to HD and get a couple more quarts of
the same thing I got last time,) or should I take everything back to the
real paint store and let them try again? *I realize you can't see what
I'm working with so you can't really say "that's about as good as it
gets, you're being too picky, just deal until you repaint" or "you can
do better than that, you've just had bad luck with paint guys" (but I
guess that's kind of the feedback I really need)

Not sure if posting pics would help, but if it would, I can take a pic
of the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the kitchen wall...

nate

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Colors can be matched and are every day, you have to demand it and
have it dried out as a large sample like 4x4", not the drop of paint
they usualy try to get away with.

Define matched. *If good enough is good enough, then yeah, matching is
no big deal. *If you have a paint and try to match if to a color chip,
computer match it from a sample, use the exact same formula from the
exact same store using the exact same equipment, you're likely to get
three different colors and it's anyone's guess which one will be the
closest.

The whole trick to matching paint is knowing where to hide the
transition and how to hide the transition. *With some paints it is
essentially impossible.

To the OP, unless you're made out of money, and have a thing for the
paint store clerk, you may want to try tweaking the paint yourself
with some universal colorant. *If you're not good with colors, this
too can be almost impossible.

R- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A match is a match, ive painted for 30 years and have good eyes and
dont spend any money on paint matching, I just use my eyes.

On Nov 3, 10:29*pm, "hr(bob) "
wrote:
On Nov 3, 6:28*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:





A while back I had to demo a kitchen cabinet to allow a new fridge to be
moved in... *I was in a time crunch and didn't have time to go to a real
paint store that day so I went to That Orange-Colored Store and had them
mix me a quart of paint. *I took with me a vent grille that had been
painted over to color match. *The guy tried, and even wasted a quart on
his first try when it came out too dark (color is a flat white tinted
slightly blue) second try looked good in the store but when I painted
the wall it ended up slightly more brownish-grey than the rest of the
wall. *(I also used almost the whole quart just to cover the area that
was behind one large kitchen cabinet...)

Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my house,
and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to address
(changing light fixtures in living room and removing mirror over mantel;
repainting ceiling at top of stair landing where it was badly prepped;
painting kitchen ceiling where I demo'd an ugly fluorescent fixture and
never patched/painted the ceiling) but we're not quite ready to repaint
any whole rooms yet. *So I would really like to have a couple more
quarts of paint matched to the existing so I can keep doing spot repairs
as I get motivated and not have the house look all ghetto and have
primer spots all over the darn place until whatever room gets a full
repaint.

Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit the
closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille with me.
They "matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked up two
quarts (they used Benjamin Moore base.) *I just opened one and spread a
little paint on the corner of said vent, it looks like a pure white in
comparison. *Not even anywhere near as close as the paint I got from HD.

The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's obvious
that there's a paint mismatch. *Is that about the best I can hope for
(in which case I should go back to HD and get a couple more quarts of
the same thing I got last time,) or should I take everything back to the
real paint store and let them try again? *I realize you can't see what
I'm working with so you can't really say "that's about as good as it
gets, you're being too picky, just deal until you repaint" or "you can
do better than that, you've just had bad luck with paint guys" (but I
guess that's kind of the feedback I really need)

Not sure if posting pics would help, but if it would, I can take a pic
of the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the kitchen wall...

nate

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If the newer paint is not "colored" enough, why not mix it with some
of the "orange store" paint that was too colored, maybe you'll get
closer.

I've run out of the other paint, plus the tint of that is off, it is
muddier than the color on the walls

to whoever mentioned it, yes, I managed to figure out that a dry
roller is the ticket. In fact, for small patches I've been wiping the
paint on the wall with a brush and then rolling over it with a dry
foam roller to knock the texture down.

nate

Red Green wrote:

Like to add, when touching up even from an original can, blend/fog by
running the brush/roller virtually dry way past the area being done.
Differences are harder to notice.

IME and IMO this is the best solution for the OP assuming that the new paint
color is pretty close. One can also feather out by diluting the paint.

--

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Nate Nagel wrote:
A while back I had to demo a kitchen cabinet to allow a new fridge to be
moved in... I was in a time crunch and didn't have time to go to a real
paint store that day so I went to That Orange-Colored Store and had them
mix me a quart of paint. I took with me a vent grille that had been
painted over to color match. The guy tried, and even wasted a quart on
his first try when it came out too dark (color is a flat white tinted
slightly blue) second try looked good in the store but when I painted
the wall it ended up slightly more brownish-grey than the rest of the
wall. (I also used almost the whole quart just to cover the area that
was behind one large kitchen cabinet...)

Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my house,
and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to address
(changing light fixtures in living room and removing mirror over mantel;
repainting ceiling at top of stair landing where it was badly prepped;
painting kitchen ceiling where I demo'd an ugly fluorescent fixture and
never patched/painted the ceiling) but we're not quite ready to repaint
any whole rooms yet. So I would really like to have a couple more
quarts of paint matched to the existing so I can keep doing spot repairs
as I get motivated and not have the house look all ghetto and have
primer spots all over the darn place until whatever room gets a full
repaint.

Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit the
closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille with me.
They "matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked up two
quarts (they used Benjamin Moore base.) I just opened one and spread a
little paint on the corner of said vent, it looks like a pure white in
comparison. Not even anywhere near as close as the paint I got from HD.

The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's obvious
that there's a paint mismatch. Is that about the best I can hope for
(in which case I should go back to HD and get a couple more quarts of
the same thing I got last time,) or should I take everything back to the
real paint store and let them try again? I realize you can't see what
I'm working with so you can't really say "that's about as good as it
gets, you're being too picky, just deal until you repaint" or "you can
do better than that, you've just had bad luck with paint guys" (but I
guess that's kind of the feedback I really need)

Not sure if posting pics would help, but if it would, I can take a pic
of the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the kitchen wall...

nate


I have used paint from the original mix to touch up and even that did
not match the older paint coat ... more or less gloss. If one mix is
pretty close, you might paint one entire wall with it...the contrast
might be less noticeable at a corner.

On Nov 4, 9:08*am, "Percival P. Cassidy" wrote:
ransley wrote:
A match is a match, ive painted for 30 years and have good eyes and
dont spend any money on paint matching, I just use my eyes.

But paint doesn't always look the same color when it's dried out on the
wall (or whatever) as it does when it's liquid in the can.

Perce

A large sample has to be dried out on at least a 4" piece of paper,
you cant tell anything looking in a can and should not accept that nor
should you accept the trick of the employee drying out a 1/4" spot on
paper, after its dried look at it a bit, even under different
lighting.

"dadiOH" wrote in message
...
Red Green wrote:

Like to add, when touching up even from an original can, blend/fog by
running the brush/roller virtually dry way past the area being done.
Differences are harder to notice.

IME and IMO this is the best solution for the OP assuming that the new
paint color is pretty close. One can also feather out by diluting the
paint.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

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I just scanned over the OP's post, but if it's an option, paint the whole
wall. The color difference will be less noticeable where painted wall meets
unpainted wall due to light hitting each differently and you'll still avoid
repainting the whole room. I'll also second the opinion of dry roller
feathering.

RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:57 pm, ransley wrote:
On Nov 3, 6:28 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:



A while back I had to demo a kitchen cabinet to allow a new fridge to be
moved in... I was in a time crunch and didn't have time to go to a real
paint store that day so I went to That Orange-Colored Store and had them
mix me a quart of paint. I took with me a vent grille that had been
painted over to color match. The guy tried, and even wasted a quart on
his first try when it came out too dark (color is a flat white tinted
slightly blue) second try looked good in the store but when I painted
the wall it ended up slightly more brownish-grey than the rest of the
wall. (I also used almost the whole quart just to cover the area that
was behind one large kitchen cabinet...)
Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my house,
and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to address
(changing light fixtures in living room and removing mirror over mantel;
repainting ceiling at top of stair landing where it was badly prepped;
painting kitchen ceiling where I demo'd an ugly fluorescent fixture and
never patched/painted the ceiling) but we're not quite ready to repaint
any whole rooms yet. So I would really like to have a couple more
quarts of paint matched to the existing so I can keep doing spot repairs
as I get motivated and not have the house look all ghetto and have
primer spots all over the darn place until whatever room gets a full
repaint.
Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit the
closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille with me.
They "matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked up two
quarts (they used Benjamin Moore base.) I just opened one and spread a
little paint on the corner of said vent, it looks like a pure white in
comparison. Not even anywhere near as close as the paint I got from HD.
The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's obvious
that there's a paint mismatch. Is that about the best I can hope for
(in which case I should go back to HD and get a couple more quarts of
the same thing I got last time,) or should I take everything back to the
real paint store and let them try again? I realize you can't see what
I'm working with so you can't really say "that's about as good as it
gets, you're being too picky, just deal until you repaint" or "you can
do better than that, you've just had bad luck with paint guys" (but I
guess that's kind of the feedback I really need)
Not sure if posting pics would help, but if it would, I can take a pic
of the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the kitchen wall...
nate
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Colors can be matched and are every day, you have to demand it and
have it dried out as a large sample like 4x4", not the drop of paint
they usualy try to get away with.

Define matched. If good enough is good enough, then yeah, matching is
no big deal. If you have a paint and try to match if to a color chip,
computer match it from a sample, use the exact same formula from the
exact same store using the exact same equipment, you're likely to get
three different colors and it's anyone's guess which one will be the
closest.

The whole trick to matching paint is knowing where to hide the
transition and how to hide the transition. With some paints it is
essentially impossible.

To the OP, unless you're made out of money, and have a thing for the
paint store clerk, you may want to try tweaking the paint yourself
with some universal colorant. If you're not good with colors, this
too can be almost impossible.

R

I would guess, from experience, that matching two separate mixtures for
color is almost impossible, even with a good deal of experience with
color formulas. That said, I bought paint for exterior trim on my
daughter's house and had not bought enough. When I returned to purchase
more paint, the store clerk (color master supreme) mixed a new batch,
took samples of each and dried them with a hair dryer. Not my request
.... just his attention to detail. He nudged the color a bit, took
another sample, dried it, done. I was satisfied with the color before
he was )

ransley wrote:

A match is a match, ive painted for 30 years and have good eyes and
dont spend any money on paint matching, I just use my eyes.

But paint doesn't always look the same color when it's dried out on the
wall (or whatever) as it does when it's liquid in the can.

Perce

On Nov 4, 7:53*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Red Green wrote:
Like to add, when touching up even from an original can, blend/fog by
running the brush/roller virtually dry way past the area being done.
Differences are harder to notice.

IME and IMO this is the best solution for the OP assuming that the new paint
color is pretty close. *One can also feather out by diluting the paint.

It's not at all, that's the problem. I've had three different batches
of paint mixed and only one was close enough to even try putting it on
the wall, and it is clearly different - patches look like shadows.

nate

On Nov 4, 9:22*am, "Joe" wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message

...



Red Green wrote:

Like to add, when touching up even from an original can, blend/fog by
running the brush/roller virtually dry way past the area being done.
Differences are harder to notice.

IME and IMO this is the best solution for the OP assuming that the new
paint color is pretty close. *One can also feather out by diluting the
paint.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it athttp://mysite.verizon.net/xico

I just scanned over the OP's post, but if it's an option, paint the whole
wall. *The color difference will be less noticeable where painted wall meets
unpainted wall due to light hitting each differently and you'll still avoid
repainting the whole room. *I'll also second the opinion of dry roller
feathering.

It's not an option *yet* as most walls to which I'm doing this still
have areas that need to be addressed. I'd like to be able to take a
couple days and attack the whole mess but I'm picking away at this for
a couple hours each evening etc. and am just trying to find a stopgap
so whatever I'm working on doesn't look too objectionable.

nate

On Nov 4, 6:10*am, ransley wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:10*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 3, 7:57*pm, ransley wrote:

Colors can be matched and are every day, you have to demand it and
have it dried out as a large sample like 4x4", not the drop of paint
they usualy try to get away with.

Define matched. *If good enough is good enough, then yeah, matching is
no big deal. *If you have a paint and try to match if to a color chip,
computer match it from a sample, use the exact same formula from the
exact same store using the exact same equipment, you're likely to get
three different colors and it's anyone's guess which one will be the
closest.

The whole trick to matching paint is knowing where to hide the
transition and how to hide the transition. *With some paints it is
essentially impossible.

To the OP, unless you're made out of money, and have a thing for the
paint store clerk, you may want to try tweaking the paint yourself
with some universal colorant. *If you're not good with colors, this
too can be almost impossible.


A match is a match, ive painted for 30 years and have good eyes and
dont spend any money on paint matching, I just use my eyes.

Fair enough. Your good enough is good enough for you. Not really a
surprise, is it?

R

On Nov 4, 10:18*am, N8N wrote:

It's not at all, that's the problem. *I've had three different batches
of paint mixed and only one was close enough to even try putting it on
the wall, and it is clearly different - patches look like shadows.

What sheen paint? Sheen differences can look like shadows or
different colors when it is the reflectance that is the difference.
Flat paint is the easiest to match on walls.

R

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:18:28 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

On Nov 4, 7:53*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Red Green wrote:
Like to add, when touching up even from an original can, blend/fog by
running the brush/roller virtually dry way past the area being done.
Differences are harder to notice.

IME and IMO this is the best solution for the OP assuming that the new paint
color is pretty close. *One can also feather out by diluting the paint.

It's not at all, that's the problem. I've had three different batches
of paint mixed and only one was close enough to even try putting it on
the wall, and it is clearly different - patches look like shadows.

I guess I just don't repaint often enough-- or maybe too often-- but
in 50 years of home-owning and doing my own painting, I don't recall a
single time that I tried to paint part of a wall-- and only a handful
of times that I painted less than the entire room.

Jim

On Nov 4, 9:22*am, ransley wrote:

A large sample has to be dried out on at least a 4" piece of paper,
you cant tell anything looking in a can and should not accept that nor
should you accept the trick of the employee drying out a 1/4" spot on
paper, after its dried look at it a bit, even under different
lighting.

I agree with you about the larger sample being better, but any paint
sample can/will lie to you. Do you do two coats on the sample? Prime
it first? The color and absorption of the surface to be painted has a
lot to do with the outcome of the final color.

The lighting in a paint store is not the same lighting as in your
house. Do you have the guy mix the paint, do a sample, take it home
match the sample, then bring it back to be tweaked? If not, you're
just saying, good enough is good enough and you've already made that
clear.

Red's tip about rolling out the patch with a dry roller is an old
trick, and an excellent one. First time I heard it was ~30 years ago
from an old timer painting commercial construction. Basically the
idea is to prevent any hard paint edges in the patch so any difference
in color/sheen is spread out over a larger area to minimize how
noticeable it is. With certain lighting conditions, and certain paint
sheens, it is almost impossible to make it disappear.

R

On Nov 4, 10:45*am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:18:28 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

On Nov 4, 7:53*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Red Green wrote:
Like to add, when touching up even from an original can, blend/fog by
running the brush/roller virtually dry way past the area being done.
Differences are harder to notice.

IME and IMO this is the best solution for the OP assuming that the new paint
color is pretty close. *One can also feather out by diluting the paint.

On Nov 4, 10:59*am, N8N wrote:
On Nov 4, 10:45*am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:



On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:18:28 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

On Nov 4, 7:53*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Red Green wrote:
Like to add, when touching up even from an original can, blend/fog by
running the brush/roller virtually dry way past the area being done.
Differences are harder to notice.

IME and IMO this is the best solution for the OP assuming that the new paint
color is pretty close. *One can also feather out by diluting the paint.

It's not at all, that's the problem. *I've had three different batches
of paint mixed and only one was close enough to even try putting it on
the wall, and it is clearly different - patches look like shadows.

I guess I just don't repaint often enough-- or maybe too often-- but
in 50 years of home-owning and doing my own painting, I don't recall a
single time that I tried to paint part of a wall-- and only a handful
of times that I painted less than the entire room.

We bought a very old house a couple years ago, and the PO's repainted
before the sale - and they apparently were big fans of mounting stuff
on the wall (e.g. mirrors etc.) and were NOT big fans of removing
things like light fixtures, mirrors, switch plates, etc. when
repainting. *So for an example, when we had air conditioning installed
and had the old round thermostat replaced with a new programmable one,
there was an ugly exposed area of old paint, mounting holes, etc. left
behind with a big ridge of brush marks showing the outline of the old
thermostat. *Likewise, they'd glued pieces of mirror on the wall in
the living room to conceal the old electrical boxes for wall sconces;
when I ripped those down to install new sconces I've got more
ugliness. *(but I still have to take the big mirror - mounted like a
bathroom mirror, with clips - down over the mantel, which will cause
another big mess-o-ugliness) *In each case there's enough brush marks,
holes, etc. that most of these areas get a skim coat of drywall mud,
primer, etc.

Once I've got enough of these really egregious trouble spots done,
then we'll likely go ahead and repaint whole walls or rooms, but I'm
just trying to keep the house from looking like a perpetual
construction site while this is going on.

In that case just pull paint patches all over the wall and tell people
it's Venetian Plaster. They'll go, "Ooooh!" and you'll wink at the
wife.

R

On Nov 4, 11:11*am, RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 4, 10:59*am, N8N wrote:





On Nov 4, 10:45*am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:18:28 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

On Nov 4, 7:53*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Red Green wrote:
Like to add, when touching up even from an original can, blend/fog by
running the brush/roller virtually dry way past the area being done.
Differences are harder to notice.

IME and IMO this is the best solution for the OP assuming that the new paint
color is pretty close. *One can also feather out by diluting the paint.

It's not at all, that's the problem. *I've had three different batches
of paint mixed and only one was close enough to even try putting it on
the wall, and it is clearly different - patches look like shadows.

I guess I just don't repaint often enough-- or maybe too often-- but
in 50 years of home-owning and doing my own painting, I don't recall a
single time that I tried to paint part of a wall-- and only a handful
of times that I painted less than the entire room.

We bought a very old house a couple years ago, and the PO's repainted
before the sale - and they apparently were big fans of mounting stuff
on the wall (e.g. mirrors etc.) and were NOT big fans of removing
things like light fixtures, mirrors, switch plates, etc. when
repainting. *So for an example, when we had air conditioning installed
and had the old round thermostat replaced with a new programmable one,
there was an ugly exposed area of old paint, mounting holes, etc. left
behind with a big ridge of brush marks showing the outline of the old
thermostat. *Likewise, they'd glued pieces of mirror on the wall in
the living room to conceal the old electrical boxes for wall sconces;
when I ripped those down to install new sconces I've got more
ugliness. *(but I still have to take the big mirror - mounted like a
bathroom mirror, with clips - down over the mantel, which will cause
another big mess-o-ugliness) *In each case there's enough brush marks,
holes, etc. that most of these areas get a skim coat of drywall mud,
primer, etc.

Once I've got enough of these really egregious trouble spots done,
then we'll likely go ahead and repaint whole walls or rooms, but I'm
just trying to keep the house from looking like a perpetual
construction site while this is going on.

In that case just pull paint patches all over the wall and tell people
it's Venetian Plaster. *They'll go, "Ooooh!" and you'll wink at the
wife. *


Hah. The funny thing is I think we might just do venetian plaster in
the living room

nate

On Nov 4, 10:32*am, RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 4, 10:18*am, N8N wrote:



It's not at all, that's the problem. *I've had three different batches
of paint mixed and only one was close enough to even try putting it on
the wall, and it is clearly different - patches look like shadows.

What sheen paint? *Sheen differences can look like shadows or
different colors when it is the reflectance that is the difference.
Flat paint is the easiest to match on walls.

R

It's flat. (ugh. Who uses flat paint in a kitchen?)

nate

On Nov 3, 7:46*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
"Nate Nagel" wrote in message

...





A while back I had to demo a kitchen cabinet to allow a new fridge to be
moved in... *I was in a time crunch and didn't have time to go to a real
paint store that day so I went to That Orange-Colored Store and had them
mix me a quart of paint. *I took with me a vent grille that had been
painted over to color match. *The guy tried, and even wasted a quart on his
first try when it came out too dark (color is a flat white tinted slightly
blue) second try looked good in the store but when I painted the wall it
ended up slightly more brownish-grey than the rest of the wall. *(I also
used almost the whole quart just to cover the area that was behind one
large kitchen cabinet...)

Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my house,
and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to address (changing
light fixtures in living room and removing mirror over mantel; repainting
ceiling at top of stair landing where it was badly prepped; painting
kitchen ceiling where I demo'd an ugly fluorescent fixture and never
patched/painted the ceiling) but we're not quite ready to repaint any
whole rooms yet. *So I would really like to have a couple more quarts of
paint matched to the existing so I can keep doing spot repairs as I get
motivated and not have the house look all ghetto and have primer spots all
over the darn place until whatever room gets a full repaint.

Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit the
closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille with me. They
"matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked up two quarts
(they used Benjamin Moore base.) *I just opened one and spread a little
paint on the corner of said vent, it looks like a pure white in
comparison. *Not even anywhere near as close as the paint I got from HD.

The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's obvious
that there's a paint mismatch. *Is that about the best I can hope for (in
which case I should go back to HD and get a couple more quarts of the same
thing I got last time,) or should I take everything back to the real paint
store and let them try again? *I realize you can't see what I'm working
with so you can't really say "that's about as good as it gets, you're
being too picky, just deal until you repaint" or "you can do better than
that, you've just had bad luck with paint guys" (but I guess that's kind
of the feedback I really need)

Not sure if posting pics would help, but if it would, I can take a pic of
the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the kitchen wall....

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Paint is a bitch. *Even if you do save those things they put on the top of
paint cans stating exactly how many parts of which color they put in it, you
can have another gallon made down the road, and it comes out looking
different.

This can be for several reasons:

The substrate. *Putting it on different things. *Different brands of
drywall. *Kilz or no Kilz? *Primer or no primer? *Which primer? *How long
has it been there, and how much UV rays from the sun has lightened it? *If
it is in a kitchen or bath area, how much oil or steam has changed the
color? *Paint looks different after it has soaked into a wall for five years
than that which is a week old.

I have kept those little color things, and gone back later and gotten
EXACTLY the same mix, and painted it on, and it looks different than the
paint on there. *Even clothes fade. *Car paint jobs fade.

NEVER EVER EVER EVER LOOK AT PAINT UNTIL IT HAS DRIED A WEEK. *It takes that
long to get even close to the color it's going to be.

It's not so much a mismatch, as you can get exactly the same paint mixed and
it won't match, it has to do with fading and lots of other factors.

Solutions: *Do areas where the mismatching won't be obvious. *Repaint the
whole thing from the get go. *Change the color scheme so it don't matter.

You're expecting way too much. If you had the original can of
paint, it would probably not be dead on out in the middle of a
wall. Any touch up painting will always require painting corner
to corner, top to bottom.

--
______________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)




"N8N" wrote in message
...
On Nov 4, 10:45 am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:18:28 -0800 (PST), N8N

wrote:

On Nov 4, 7:53 am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Red Green wrote:
Like to add, when touching up even from an original can,
blend/fog by
running the brush/roller virtually dry way past the area
being done.
Differences are harder to notice.

IME and IMO this is the best solution for the OP assuming
that the new paint
color is pretty close. One can also feather out by diluting
the paint.

It's not at all, that's the problem. I've had three different
batches
of paint mixed and only one was close enough to even try
putting it on
the wall, and it is clearly different - patches look like
shadows.

I guess I just don't repaint often enough-- or maybe too often--
but
in 50 years of home-owning and doing my own painting, I don't
recall a
single time that I tried to paint part of a wall-- and only a
handful
of times that I painted less than the entire room.

We bought a very old house a couple years ago, and the PO's
repainted
before the sale - and they apparently were big fans of mounting
stuff
on the wall (e.g. mirrors etc.) and were NOT big fans of removing
things like light fixtures, mirrors, switch plates, etc. when
repainting. So for an example, when we had air conditioning
installed
and had the old round thermostat replaced with a new programmable
one,
there was an ugly exposed area of old paint, mounting holes, etc.
left
behind with a big ridge of brush marks showing the outline of the
old
thermostat. Likewise, they'd glued pieces of mirror on the wall
in
the living room to conceal the old electrical boxes for wall
sconces;
when I ripped those down to install new sconces I've got more
ugliness. (but I still have to take the big mirror - mounted like
a
bathroom mirror, with clips - down over the mantel, which will
cause
another big mess-o-ugliness) In each case there's enough brush
marks,
holes, etc. that most of these areas get a skim coat of drywall
mud,
primer, etc.

Once I've got enough of these really egregious trouble spots done,
then we'll likely go ahead and repaint whole walls or rooms, but
I'm
just trying to keep the house from looking like a perpetual
construction site while this is going on.

nate

"DanG" wrote in message
...
You're expecting way too much. If you had the original can of paint, it
would probably not be dead on out in the middle of a wall. Any touch up
painting will always require painting corner to corner, top to bottom.

At last, a reasonable man.

On Nov 4, 8:09*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
"DanG" wrote in message

...

You're expecting way too much. *If you had the original can of paint, it
would probably not be dead on out in the middle of a wall. *Any touch up
painting will always require painting corner to corner, top to bottom.

At last, a reasonable man.

I saved a quart of kitchen wall satin finish paint from when we
painted 8 years ago and when we had to change the mount for our
cordless telephone answering system last month, I mixed a little paint
with the drywall mud and filled in the appropriate areas. Then I
sanded down the entire area and painted it with a 2" roller, doing it
twice. I can't find the edge marks because it blended in so well.
But, the paint is a very mild off-white/yellow color. I washed the
whole wall before starting the patching, and even the sheen matches so
closely that it is difficult where the transition is. But, it was the
exact same apint.

Where I go, to the local big orange box, they smear a heavy coat of
the newly mixed paint on a white paper and then dry it thoroughly with
a hair dryer and check that against the sample you provide. They
prefer an actual chip of the paint to be matched, from some
inconspicuous point on the wall. If they are esperienced, and the
color is a little off, they can add a little of one of the colorants
to the original mix, put it in the shaker and try a second time. Then
they have to change the formula on the paper that they print out to
stick on the can.

"dadiOH" writes:
Red Green wrote:

Like to add, when touching up even from an original can, blend/fog by
running the brush/roller virtually dry way past the area being done.
Differences are harder to notice.

IME and IMO this is the best solution for the OP assuming that the new paint
color is pretty close. One can also feather out by diluting the paint.


Another good tip is too *wash* the entire wall. A lot of the mismatch
is due more to accumulate dust/dirt/grime than to actual fading -
especially indoor areas not exposed to lots of direct sunlight.

"SteveB" writes:
This can be for several reasons:

The substrate. Putting it on different things. Different brands of
drywall. Kilz or no Kilz? Primer or no primer? Which primer? How long
has it been there, and how much UV rays from the sun has lightened it? If
it is in a kitchen or bath area, how much oil or steam has changed the
color? Paint looks different after it has soaked into a wall for five years
than that which is a week old.

I have kept those little color things, and gone back later and gotten
EXACTLY the same mix, and painted it on, and it looks different than the
paint on there. Even clothes fade. Car paint jobs fade.

NEVER EVER EVER EVER LOOK AT PAINT UNTIL IT HAS DRIED A WEEK. It takes that
long to get even close to the color it's going to be.


Here is another reason. Sometimes the paint manufacturers change the
base composition.

I recently had the following experience. I went to my favorite local
paint store to get another gallon of the paint that the old-timer had
meticulously matched for me several years ago. At that time, he spent
about an hour with me using repeated rounds of adding slight amounts
of color, shaking the can, painting a swatch, drying it with a hair
dryer, waiting, then seeing how it matched and continuing until the
match was perfect. All for a gallon of paint.

Well, the other day when he made a new gallon using the old formula,
the match was way off -- even against a test swab made from the
original paint and kept in a dark area.

It turns out that Benjamin Moore changed the formulation of its bases
to reduce the VOC content and that messed up all the formulas.

Luckily, my guys is skilled and he was able to save the gallon by
using his magic to adjust the color by eye over several iterations.

This guy is worth his weight in gold and he doesn't seem to charge any
more than the other non big box paint stores.

On Nov 3, 7:28*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:

Unfortunately this @#$@#$% color is on about half the walls in my house,
and I have a couple other little areas that I'd like to address
(changing light fixtures in living room and removing mirror over mantel;
repainting ceiling at top of stair landing where it was badly prepped;
painting kitchen ceiling where I demo'd an ugly fluorescent fixture and
never patched/painted the ceiling) but we're not quite ready to repaint
any whole rooms yet. *So I would really like to have a couple more
quarts of paint matched to the existing so I can keep doing spot repairs
as I get motivated and not have the house look all ghetto and have
primer spots all over the darn place until whatever room gets a full
repaint.

Well, what you'd really like is unlikely.

Today I had a dentist's appt. in the AM so I left early and hit the
closest "real" paint store and brought the same vent grille with me.

Fascinating.

They "matched" it while I was visiting with Dr. Hook and I picked up two
quarts

2 whole courts? You must be made of money.

The few areas I've used the HD paint don't look awful, but it's obvious
that there's a paint mismatch.

New paint looks different than old paint, for reasons one who purports
to be an "engineer" might deduce.

Is that about the best I can hope for
(in which case I should go back to HD and get a couple more quarts of
the same thing I got last time,) or should I take everything back to the
real paint store and let them try again?

You might try investing the time to repaint all that displeases you, 2
quarts at a time, as paydays permit.

I realize you can't see what
I'm working with so you can't really say "that's about as good as it
gets, you're being too picky, just deal until you repaint" or "you can
do better than that, you've just had bad luck with paint guys" (but I
guess that's kind of the feedback I really need)

It does not seem unlikely you might seek feedback regarding trimming
your fingernails.

Not sure if posting pics would help,

It obviously would not, you blithering idiot.

but if it would, I can take a pic
of the last little spot I did, around the thermostat on the kitchen wall....

Mmmm.. that won't work, thermostats distort color.
-----

- gpsman

On Nov 5, 3:37*am, gpsman wrote a bunch of
****.

Listen, you insufferable douchebag, why don't you just killfile me and
stop reading my posts?

You are demonstrably an idiot.

You contribute nothing useful to the discussion.

You obviously have taken a dislike to me because I see through your
bull****.

Why don't you just **** right off into the sunset and hang out on a
group more your own speed, like alt.tonka.trucks or something?

nate

On Nov 5, 9:16*am, N8N wrote:
On Nov 5, 3:37*am, gpsman wrote a bunch of
****.

Listen, you insufferable douchebag, why don't you just killfile me and
stop reading my posts?

I don't know why you'd care what someone with this profile would say:
http://groups.google.com/groups/prof...DVg2RHsu8f1bCg

Stop feeding the trolls. You know that's what they live on.

R

N8N wrote in news:dc862e98-dfbd-4d6f-944b-
:

On Nov 5, 3:37*am, gpsman wrote a bunch of
****.

Listen, you insufferable douchebag, why don't you just killfile me and
stop reading my posts?

You are demonstrably an idiot.

You contribute nothing useful to the discussion.

You obviously have taken a dislike to me because I see through your
bull****.

Why don't you just **** right off into the sunset and hang out on a
group more your own speed, like alt.tonka.trucks or something?

nate

Whew! For a minute there I thought my Ex latched on to me.

"hr(bob) " wrote in message
...
On Nov 4, 8:09 pm, "SteveB" wrote:
"DanG" wrote in message

...

You're expecting way too much. If you had the original can of paint, it
would probably not be dead on out in the middle of a wall. Any touch up
painting will always require painting corner to corner, top to bottom.

At last, a reasonable man.

I saved a quart of kitchen wall satin finish paint from when we
painted 8 years ago and when we had to change the mount for our
cordless telephone answering system last month, I mixed a little paint
with the drywall mud and filled in the appropriate areas. Then I
sanded down the entire area and painted it with a 2" roller, doing it
twice. I can't find the edge marks because it blended in so well.
But, the paint is a very mild off-white/yellow color. I washed the
whole wall before starting the patching, and even the sheen matches so
closely that it is difficult where the transition is. But, it was the
exact same apint.

Where I go, to the local big orange box, they smear a heavy coat of
the newly mixed paint on a white paper and then dry it thoroughly with
a hair dryer and check that against the sample you provide. They
prefer an actual chip of the paint to be matched, from some
inconspicuous point on the wall. If they are esperienced, and the
color is a little off, they can add a little of one of the colorants
to the original mix, put it in the shaker and try a second time. Then
they have to change the formula on the paper that they print out to
stick on the can.

reply:

I've had good luck with the big box store, too. And if you can peel a big
enough chip off to put in their computer, it will match pretty good, even if
it has aged or faded. It's all up to the individual, as slight differences
may not be a big deal to some people, yet others have to have it just so.

Steve

On Nov 5, 11:47*am, Red Green wrote:
N8N wrote in news:dc862e98-dfbd-4d6f-944b-
:





On Nov 5, 3:37*am, gpsman wrote a bunch of
****.

Listen, you insufferable douchebag, why don't you just killfile me and
stop reading my posts?

You are demonstrably an idiot.

You contribute nothing useful to the discussion.

You obviously have taken a dislike to me because I see through your
bull****.

Why don't you just **** right off into the sunset and hang out on a
group more your own speed, like alt.tonka.trucks or something?

nate

Whew! For a minute there I thought my Ex latched on to me.

you have an ex named Nate? That's kinda weird, man.

nate