My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like they're
too complex and expensive.

On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:06:42 -0700, SMS
wrote:

My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like they're
too complex and expensive.

Frame and secure the wall with 2 X 4 lumber, but you still need sheet
rock, for "only accessible to the renter".

You don't have to finish the "rock" with tape or mud.

"Fences don't keep the inmates in, but they keep wide animals out."

On Sep 1, 8:06*pm, SMS wrote:
My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like they're
too complex and expensive.


"only accessible to the renter"

There are lots of levels of "accessible".

You said you don't need anything fancy. My local Craigslist has 50' of
wooden snow fence for US$45.

One length of snow fence makes access to the other garages that is
inconvenient.

One length stacked on top of the other, and tied to it, makes access
that probably requires tools.

Chain link fence (also available on Craigslist, free or for $) would
also make the other garages inaccessible without the use of tools.

Heck, even drywall won't stop a renter that really wants to get into
the other garages.

Just tossing out ideas to get you thinking.

Effective, fast and cheap - Pick any 2.

"SMS" wrote in message
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My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like they're
too complex and expensive.

Frame it with 2x4's 16-24" OC and then you can hang drywall, OSB or chicken
wire to divide the space.

1/2" OSB is about the same price as drywall and is a lot more secure. You
only need the wire, board or OSB on one side.

Colbyt

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 17:42:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Just tossing out ideas to get you thinking.

Made me think. What about appliances, venting, etc.

What side/section of the garage unit will have the gas water heater,
low wall vents, water softener, water shut off valves, gas line, main
breaker panel, etc.

Put the renter in the proper side of the garage stalls.

"SMS" wrote in message
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My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like they're
too complex and expensive.

Do it right or don't mess with it. That doesn't mean that it's expensive.
You will need about 12 studs, which are cheap. About eight sheets of rock.
Some nails, a box of mud. By my calculator, I'd say less than $75 to have
it right. And that's with you doing the work. It ain't rocket surgery to
put the top and bottom plate on square and plumb, and if you can read a
tape, you can figure out 2' centers on the rock. You CAN rock only one
side, but my experience is that if you do, it is easier to bust and poke
holes in. Mud it in, and even if you really do a lousy job, just sand down
the excess. Some miscolored paint from HD for cheap, and you got a new
wall. I'd case an interior door in it, too.

But that's just me.

Do it right.

Steve

"Oren" wrote in message
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On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 17:42:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Just tossing out ideas to get you thinking.

Made me think. What about appliances, venting, etc.

What side/section of the garage unit will have the gas water heater,
low wall vents, water softener, water shut off valves, gas line, main
breaker panel, etc.

Put the renter in the proper side of the garage stalls.

my suggestion for a cheap interior door.

On Sep 1, 9:42*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
"SMS" wrote in message

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My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like they're
too complex and expensive.

Do it right or don't mess with it. *That doesn't mean that it's expensive.
You will need about 12 studs, which are cheap. *About eight sheets of rock.
Some nails, a box of mud. *By my calculator, I'd say less than $75 to have
it right. *And that's with you doing the work. *It ain't rocket surgery to
put the top and bottom plate on square and plumb, and if you can read a
tape, you can figure out 2' centers on the rock. *You CAN rock only one
side, but my experience is that if you do, it is easier to bust and poke
holes in. *Mud it in, and even if you really do a lousy job, just sand down
the excess. *Some miscolored paint from HD for cheap, and you got a new
wall. *I'd case an interior door in it, too.

But that's just me.

Do it right.

Steve

"You will need about 12 studs"

How do you figure? For a 24 foot wall, you'd need 18 eight footers,
unless you're going without a top and bottom plate.

You'd also need a method to attach it to the floor, and hopefully
there's a contact point directly above it also.

BTW...I'd probably make the bottom plate with treated lumber.

"SteveB" wrote in message
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"SMS" wrote in message
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My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like they're
too complex and expensive.

Do it right or don't mess with it. That doesn't mean that it's expensive.
You will need about 12 studs, which are cheap. About eight sheets of
rock. Some nails, a box of mud. By my calculator, I'd say less than $75
to have it right. And that's with you doing the work. It ain't rocket
surgery to put the top and bottom plate on square and plumb, and if you
can read a tape, you can figure out 2' centers on the rock. You CAN rock
only one side, but my experience is that if you do, it is easier to bust
and poke holes in. Mud it in, and even if you really do a lousy job, just
sand down the excess. Some miscolored paint from HD for cheap, and you
got a new wall. I'd case an interior door in it, too.

But that's just me.

Do it right.

Steve


Being a commercial building you should REALLY check with your Code
Enforcement officer..I seriously doubt you can just throw up anything...I
bet it will have to be steele studs and 5/8s fire coded sheetrock TAPED both
sides....May have to bring whole area up to code as well , meaning another
wall to seperate the other spaces as well as other things....Call the CEO
BEFORE you do anything.....

On Sep 2, 12:51*am, "benick" wrote:
"SteveB" wrote in message

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"SMS" wrote in message
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My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like they're
too complex and expensive.

Do it right or don't mess with it. *That doesn't mean that it's expensive.
You will need about 12 studs, which are cheap. *About eight sheets of
rock. Some nails, a box of mud. *By my calculator, I'd say less than $75
to have it right. *And that's with you doing the work. *It ain't rocket
surgery to put the top and bottom plate on square and plumb, and if you
can read a tape, you can figure out 2' centers on the rock. *You CAN rock
only one side, but my experience is that if you do, it is easier to bust
and poke holes in. *Mud it in, and even if you really do a lousy job, just
sand down the excess. *Some miscolored paint from HD for cheap, and you
got a new wall. *I'd case an interior door in it, too.

But that's just me.

Do it right.

Steve

Being a commercial building you should REALLY check with your Code
Enforcement officer..I seriously doubt you can just throw up anything...I
bet it will have to be steele studs and 5/8s fire coded sheetrock TAPED both
sides....May have to bring whole area up to code as well , meaning another
wall to seperate the other spaces as well as other things....Call the CEO
BEFORE you do anything.....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Was going to make similar comment. It may be very unwise if the OP
puts up a wall that does not meet current fire/insurance code
requirements especially in a garage area where there are vehicles with
gasoline etc. It might invalidate insurance and/or not meet local fire
codes. If it is old construction which does not meet modern standards
the existing structure may be 'grandfathered' under new legislation.
The moment it is touched, in many jurisdictions, 'everything' has to
be brought up to code!

So it may not be a matter of throwing up a wall for a couple of
hundred bucks. And if it does cause problems the 'contractor' or
whoever does the work might be deemed liable for not knowing/following
local code requirements.

If it was family you might be able to argue that the wall has been
there 'always' although the type of materials used often gives that
away!

Dealing with a renter who 'knows' there wasn't a wall/divider there
before might be trickier!

Colbyt wrote:
"SMS" wrote in message
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My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like they're
too complex and expensive.

Frame it with 2x4's 16-24" OC and then you can hang drywall, OSB or chicken
wire to divide the space.

1/2" OSB is about the same price as drywall and is a lot more secure. You
only need the wire, board or OSB on one side.

Yeah, my first instinct was to use OSB with 24" spacing of the studs. I
need to put in one door as well.

The appliances (W/D/WH) are not a problem.

I need to check with the building department in the city in question,
but from their on-line stuff, for non-occupancy areas the requirements
for non-load-bearing interior walls are pretty easy. 24" spacing for
studs, and some specific stuff on how they are anchored to the floor and
ceiling. Nothing regarding fire-proofing for walls in garages.

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
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On Sep 1, 9:42 pm, "SteveB" wrote:
"SMS" wrote in message

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My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like they're
too complex and expensive.

Do it right or don't mess with it. That doesn't mean that it's expensive.
You will need about 12 studs, which are cheap. About eight sheets of rock.
Some nails, a box of mud. By my calculator, I'd say less than $75 to have
it right. And that's with you doing the work. It ain't rocket surgery to
put the top and bottom plate on square and plumb, and if you can read a
tape, you can figure out 2' centers on the rock. You CAN rock only one
side, but my experience is that if you do, it is easier to bust and poke
holes in. Mud it in, and even if you really do a lousy job, just sand down
the excess. Some miscolored paint from HD for cheap, and you got a new
wall. I'd case an interior door in it, too.

But that's just me.

Do it right.

Steve

"You will need about 12 studs"

How do you figure? For a 24 foot wall, you'd need 18 eight footers,
unless you're going without a top and bottom plate.

You'd also need a method to attach it to the floor, and hopefully
there's a contact point directly above it also.

BTW...I'd probably make the bottom plate with treated lumber.

reply: Twenty four divided by two is twelve if you put them on two foot
centers. The guy said he wanted to cheap out. This was an estimation.
Quit splitting hairs.

BTW, you weren't specific about treated lumber. What kind? Redwood is
typically used, and it is not treated. (Last comments to show how
ridiculous yours were about splitting hairs.)

If the OP does not know how to do Tapcons or a Hilti guns, and can't find
rafters in a garage, I suggest he NOT do the work, and hire it out.

And by the way, Mr. Sparky Know-it-all, double plates would be called for on
the toe and crown plates so there's something to nail the sheetrock to.

But you knew that already, right?

And again, all this is with the disclaimer that it is an estimate, and YMMV,
in case you didn't read that the first time, which you obviously didn't.

Steve

Steve

"benick" wrote in message
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"SteveB" wrote in message
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"SMS" wrote in message
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My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like they're
too complex and expensive.

Do it right or don't mess with it. That doesn't mean that it's
expensive. You will need about 12 studs, which are cheap. About eight
sheets of rock. Some nails, a box of mud. By my calculator, I'd say less
than $75 to have it right. And that's with you doing the work. It ain't
rocket surgery to put the top and bottom plate on square and plumb, and
if you can read a tape, you can figure out 2' centers on the rock. You
CAN rock only one side, but my experience is that if you do, it is easier
to bust and poke holes in. Mud it in, and even if you really do a lousy
job, just sand down the excess. Some miscolored paint from HD for cheap,
and you got a new wall. I'd case an interior door in it, too.

But that's just me.

Do it right.

Steve


Being a commercial building you should REALLY check with your Code
Enforcement officer..I seriously doubt you can just throw up anything...I
bet it will have to be steele studs and 5/8s fire coded sheetrock TAPED
both sides....May have to bring whole area up to code as well , meaning
another wall to seperate the other spaces as well as other things....Call
the CEO BEFORE you do anything.....

The original house would have a 5/8" sheetrock layer between garage and
house if it was built to code. But yes, it is a good idea to check with CEO
so that you can pay triple and also pay their permit fees. Might make a
difference when selling the house, too.

Steve

On Sep 2, 10:35*am, "SteveB" wrote:
"benick" wrote in message

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"SteveB" wrote in message
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"SMS" wrote in message
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My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like they're
too complex and expensive.

Do it right or don't mess with it. *That doesn't mean that it's
expensive. You will need about 12 studs, which are cheap. *About eight
sheets of rock. Some nails, a box of mud. *By my calculator, I'd say less
than $75 to have it right. *And that's with you doing the work. *It ain't
rocket surgery to put the top and bottom plate on square and plumb, and
if you can read a tape, you can figure out 2' centers on the rock. *You
CAN rock only one side, but my experience is that if you do, it is easier
to bust and poke holes in. *Mud it in, and even if you really do a lousy
job, just sand down the excess. *Some miscolored paint from HD for cheap,
and you got a new wall. *I'd case an interior door in it, too.

But that's just me.

Do it right.

Steve

Being a commercial building you should REALLY check with your Code
Enforcement officer..I seriously doubt you can just throw up anything....I
bet it will have to be steele studs and 5/8s fire coded sheetrock TAPED
both sides....May have to bring whole area up to code as well , meaning
another wall to seperate the other spaces as well as other things....Call
the CEO BEFORE you do anything.....

The original house would have a 5/8" sheetrock layer between garage and
house if it was built to code. *But yes, it is a good idea to check with CEO
so that you can pay triple and also pay their permit fees. *Might make a
difference when selling the house, too.

Steve


I'd also consider how adding a wall impacts use of the garage. Many
garages don't have a lot of room to open doors to beging with. The
garage could work perfectly fine if you can swing a door over, walk
around into the other bay a bit, etc. But with a wall there it could
be a real tight fit and a bitch to put up with.

I'm kind of curious as to why it's so essential to wall out the
renter's bay? Just not keeping anything very valuable in the garage
and locking the other cars might be a simpler solution.

"SteveB" wrote
"SMS" wrote

My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

My first question is why?

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

Plywood will work, if allowed in your area.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like they're
too complex and expensive.

Do it right or don't mess with it. That doesn't mean that it's expensive.
You will need about 12 studs, which are cheap. About eight sheets of
rock. Some nails, a box of mud. By my calculator, I'd say less than $75
to have it right. And that's with you doing the work. It ain't rocket
surgery to put the top and bottom plate on square and plumb, and if you
can read a tape, you can figure out 2' centers on the rock. You CAN rock
only one side, but my experience is that if you do, it is easier to bust
and poke holes in. Mud it in, and even if you really do a lousy job, just
sand down the excess. Some miscolored paint from HD for cheap, and you
got a new wall. I'd case an interior door in it, too.

Actually, code law in some spots may require that door. My area is pretty
intense on 'fire exit code' so if he put up a wall, he's be required to add
an egress. Each room (other than a closet or detached garage/outbuilding
storage shed) must have 2 here. Just depends if there is a window of legal
limits for that in the garage someplace that can become that egress (grin).

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
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On Sep 2, 10:33 am, "SteveB" wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Sep 1, 9:42 pm, "SteveB" wrote:



"SMS" wrote in message

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My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate
the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like
they're
too complex and expensive.

Do it right or don't mess with it. That doesn't mean that it's
expensive.
You will need about 12 studs, which are cheap. About eight sheets of
rock.
Some nails, a box of mud. By my calculator, I'd say less than $75 to
have
it right. And that's with you doing the work. It ain't rocket surgery to
put the top and bottom plate on square and plumb, and if you can read a
tape, you can figure out 2' centers on the rock. You CAN rock only one
side, but my experience is that if you do, it is easier to bust and poke
holes in. Mud it in, and even if you really do a lousy job, just sand
down
the excess. Some miscolored paint from HD for cheap, and you got a new
wall. I'd case an interior door in it, too.

But that's just me.

Do it right.

Steve

"You will need about 12 studs"

How do you figure? For a 24 foot wall, you'd need 18 eight footers,
unless you're going without a top and bottom plate.

You'd also need a method to attach it to the floor, and hopefully
there's a contact point directly above it also.

BTW...I'd probably make the bottom plate with treated lumber.

reply: Twenty four divided by two is twelve if you put them on two foot
centers. The guy said he wanted to cheap out. This was an estimation.
Quit splitting hairs.

BTW, you weren't specific about treated lumber. What kind? Redwood is
typically used, and it is not treated. (Last comments to show how
ridiculous yours were about splitting hairs.)

If the OP does not know how to do Tapcons or a Hilti guns, and can't find
rafters in a garage, I suggest he NOT do the work, and hire it out.

And by the way, Mr. Sparky Know-it-all, double plates would be called for
on
the toe and crown plates so there's something to nail the sheetrock to.

But you knew that already, right?

And again, all this is with the disclaimer that it is an estimate, and
YMMV,
in case you didn't read that the first time, which you obviously didn't.

Steve

Steve

Twenty four divided by two is twelve if you put them on two foot
centers. The guy said he wanted to cheap out. This was an
estimation. Quit splitting hairs.

I don't have enough hair to split.

24/12 sure is 12, there was no issue there. But 24/12 just gives you
studs with no plates - not a very good estimation IMHO. Well, maybe
you're right. Once you attached the drywall to the studs, you could
just stand it up in place. Maybe prop it up with some boxes.

And by the way, Mr. Sparky Know-it-all, double plates would be
called for on the toe and crown plates so there's something to nail
the sheetrock to.

Sparky AND Know-it-all? I'm honored!

How do you go from saying "The guy said he wanted to cheap out" to
doubling up on the plates? What does that do to your 12 stud estimate?
Double it?

BTW, you weren't specific about treated lumber. What kind?

Obviously the OP's choice.

BTW the comments about attaching it to floor and ceiling and using
treated lumber had zero-zilch-nada to do with how many 2x4's were
needed or even with anything you said in your post. Not quite sure why
you jumped all over those comments. I guess you just wanted to split
hairs.


reply: did you get the part where I said it would cost about $75 to do the
plate/stud/sheetrock idea?

No?

sigh .........................

The guy is obviously an idiot, or he'd have it up already. Now, he's
probably going to put up used snow fence or used chain link.

Whatever.

Steve

On Sep 2, 11:02*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Sep 2, 10:33 am, "SteveB" wrote:





"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

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On Sep 1, 9:42 pm, "SteveB" wrote:

"SMS" wrote in message

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My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate
the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like
they're
too complex and expensive.

Do it right or don't mess with it. That doesn't mean that it's
expensive.
You will need about 12 studs, which are cheap. About eight sheets of
rock.
Some nails, a box of mud. By my calculator, I'd say less than $75 to
have
it right. And that's with you doing the work. It ain't rocket surgery to
put the top and bottom plate on square and plumb, and if you can read a
tape, you can figure out 2' centers on the rock. You CAN rock only one
side, but my experience is that if you do, it is easier to bust and poke
holes in. Mud it in, and even if you really do a lousy job, just sand
down
the excess. Some miscolored paint from HD for cheap, and you got a new
wall. I'd case an interior door in it, too.

But that's just me.

Do it right.

Steve

"You will need about 12 studs"

How do you figure? For a 24 foot wall, you'd need 18 eight footers,
unless you're going without a top and bottom plate.

You'd also need a method to attach it to the floor, and hopefully
there's a contact point directly above it also.

BTW...I'd probably make the bottom plate with treated lumber.

reply: Twenty four divided by two is twelve if you put them on two foot
centers. The guy said he wanted to cheap out. This was an estimation.
Quit splitting hairs.

BTW, you weren't specific about treated lumber. What kind? Redwood is
typically used, and it is not treated. (Last comments to show how
ridiculous yours were about splitting hairs.)

If the OP does not know how to do Tapcons or a Hilti guns, and can't find
rafters in a garage, I suggest he NOT do the work, and hire it out.

And by the way, Mr. Sparky Know-it-all, double plates would be called for
on
the toe and crown plates so there's something to nail the sheetrock to.

But you knew that already, right?

And again, all this is with the disclaimer that it is an estimate, and
YMMV,
in case you didn't read that the first time, which you obviously didn't..

Steve

Steve

Twenty four divided by two is twelve if you put them on two foot
centers. *The guy said he wanted to cheap out. *This was an
estimation. *Quit splitting hairs.

I don't have enough hair to split.

24/12 sure is 12, there was no issue there. But 24/12 just gives you
studs with no plates - not a very good estimation IMHO. Well, maybe
you're right. Once you attached the drywall to the studs, you could
just stand it up in place. Maybe prop it up with some boxes.

And by the way, Mr. Sparky Know-it-all, double plates would be
called for on the toe and crown plates so there's something to nail
the sheetrock to.

Sparky AND Know-it-all? I'm honored!

How do you go from saying "The guy said he wanted to cheap out" to
doubling up on the plates? What does that do to your 12 stud estimate?
Double it?

*BTW, you weren't specific about treated lumber. What kind?

Obviously the OP's choice.

BTW the comments about attaching it to floor and ceiling and using
treated lumber had zero-zilch-nada to do with how many 2x4's were
needed or even with anything you said in your post. Not quite sure why
you jumped all over those comments. I guess you just wanted to split
hairs.

reply: *did you get the part where I said it would cost about $75 to do the
plate/stud/sheetrock idea?

No?

sigh .........................

The guy is obviously an idiot, or he'd have it up already. *Now, he's
probably going to put up used snow fence or used chain link.

Whatever.

Steve- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

sigh .........................

Ah, a cleansing breath. Feel better?

I guess the only thing I can say is that I'm glad you're not
estimating my jobs. At a minimum, your 2 x 4 estimate was off by 50%,
at worst (with double plates) off by 100%.

I'll think I'll price out my own materials. Thanks for stopping by.

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 21:02:39 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
...
On Sep 2, 10:33 am, "SteveB" wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

...
On Sep 1, 9:42 pm, "SteveB" wrote:



"SMS" wrote in message

...

My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate
the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like
they're
too complex and expensive.

Do it right or don't mess with it. That doesn't mean that it's
expensive.
You will need about 12 studs, which are cheap. About eight sheets of
rock.
Some nails, a box of mud. By my calculator, I'd say less than $75 to
have
it right. And that's with you doing the work. It ain't rocket surgery to
put the top and bottom plate on square and plumb, and if you can read a
tape, you can figure out 2' centers on the rock. You CAN rock only one
side, but my experience is that if you do, it is easier to bust and poke
holes in. Mud it in, and even if you really do a lousy job, just sand
down
the excess. Some miscolored paint from HD for cheap, and you got a new
wall. I'd case an interior door in it, too.

But that's just me.

Do it right.

Steve

"You will need about 12 studs"

How do you figure? For a 24 foot wall, you'd need 18 eight footers,
unless you're going without a top and bottom plate.

He was just counting "studs" not "sills" and "plates" - so he was
right - just not complete.

You'd also need a method to attach it to the floor, and hopefully
there's a contact point directly above it also.

BTW...I'd probably make the bottom plate with treated lumber.

Or set it on strips of DriCore.

reply: Twenty four divided by two is twelve if you put them on two foot
centers. The guy said he wanted to cheap out. This was an estimation.
Quit splitting hairs.

BTW, you weren't specific about treated lumber. What kind? Redwood is
typically used, and it is not treated. (Last comments to show how
ridiculous yours were about splitting hairs.)

If the OP does not know how to do Tapcons or a Hilti guns, and can't find
rafters in a garage, I suggest he NOT do the work, and hire it out.

And by the way, Mr. Sparky Know-it-all, double plates would be called for
on
the toe and crown plates so there's something to nail the sheetrock to.

But you knew that already, right?

And again, all this is with the disclaimer that it is an estimate, and
YMMV,
in case you didn't read that the first time, which you obviously didn't.

Steve

Steve

Twenty four divided by two is twelve if you put them on two foot
centers. The guy said he wanted to cheap out. This was an
estimation. Quit splitting hairs.

I don't have enough hair to split.

24/12 sure is 12, there was no issue there. But 24/12 just gives you
studs with no plates - not a very good estimation IMHO. Well, maybe
you're right. Once you attached the drywall to the studs, you could
just stand it up in place. Maybe prop it up with some boxes.

And by the way, Mr. Sparky Know-it-all, double plates would be
called for on the toe and crown plates so there's something to nail
the sheetrock to.

Sparky AND Know-it-all? I'm honored!

How do you go from saying "The guy said he wanted to cheap out" to
doubling up on the plates? What does that do to your 12 stud estimate?
Double it?

BTW, you weren't specific about treated lumber. What kind?

Obviously the OP's choice.

BTW the comments about attaching it to floor and ceiling and using
treated lumber had zero-zilch-nada to do with how many 2x4's were
needed or even with anything you said in your post. Not quite sure why
you jumped all over those comments. I guess you just wanted to split
hairs.


reply: did you get the part where I said it would cost about $75 to do the
plate/stud/sheetrock idea?

No?

sigh .........................

The guy is obviously an idiot, or he'd have it up already. Now, he's
probably going to put up used snow fence or used chain link.

Whatever.

Steve

On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 06:05:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Sep 2, 11:02Â*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

...
On Sep 2, 10:33 am, "SteveB" wrote:





"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

...
On Sep 1, 9:42 pm, "SteveB" wrote:

"SMS" wrote in message

...

My sister-in-law has a tri-plex that has a three car garage with three
single garage doors. However there are no dividing walls to separate
the
garage into separate garages. I need to put up a wall so one of the
garages is only accessible to the renter.

It's about 24' long x 12' wide.

I don't need anything fancy or to cover it with sheet rock.

I've thought of many different ways to do it, but all seem like
they're
too complex and expensive.

Do it right or don't mess with it. That doesn't mean that it's
expensive.
You will need about 12 studs, which are cheap. About eight sheets of
rock.
Some nails, a box of mud. By my calculator, I'd say less than $75 to
have
it right. And that's with you doing the work. It ain't rocket surgery to
put the top and bottom plate on square and plumb, and if you can read a
tape, you can figure out 2' centers on the rock. You CAN rock only one
side, but my experience is that if you do, it is easier to bust and poke
holes in. Mud it in, and even if you really do a lousy job, just sand
down
the excess. Some miscolored paint from HD for cheap, and you got a new
wall. I'd case an interior door in it, too.

But that's just me.

Do it right.

Steve

"You will need about 12 studs"

How do you figure? For a 24 foot wall, you'd need 18 eight footers,
unless you're going without a top and bottom plate.

You'd also need a method to attach it to the floor, and hopefully
there's a contact point directly above it also.

BTW...I'd probably make the bottom plate with treated lumber.

reply: Twenty four divided by two is twelve if you put them on two foot
centers. The guy said he wanted to cheap out. This was an estimation.
Quit splitting hairs.

BTW, you weren't specific about treated lumber. What kind? Redwood is
typically used, and it is not treated. (Last comments to show how
ridiculous yours were about splitting hairs.)

If the OP does not know how to do Tapcons or a Hilti guns, and can't find
rafters in a garage, I suggest he NOT do the work, and hire it out.

And by the way, Mr. Sparky Know-it-all, double plates would be called for
on
the toe and crown plates so there's something to nail the sheetrock to.

But you knew that already, right?

And again, all this is with the disclaimer that it is an estimate, and
YMMV,
in case you didn't read that the first time, which you obviously didn't.

Steve

Steve

Twenty four divided by two is twelve if you put them on two foot
centers. Â*The guy said he wanted to cheap out. Â*This was an
estimation. Â*Quit splitting hairs.

I don't have enough hair to split.

24/12 sure is 12, there was no issue there. But 24/12 just gives you
studs with no plates - not a very good estimation IMHO. Well, maybe
you're right. Once you attached the drywall to the studs, you could
just stand it up in place. Maybe prop it up with some boxes.

And by the way, Mr. Sparky Know-it-all, double plates would be
called for on the toe and crown plates so there's something to nail
the sheetrock to.

Sparky AND Know-it-all? I'm honored!

How do you go from saying "The guy said he wanted to cheap out" to
doubling up on the plates? What does that do to your 12 stud estimate?
Double it?

Â*BTW, you weren't specific about treated lumber. What kind?

Obviously the OP's choice.

BTW the comments about attaching it to floor and ceiling and using
treated lumber had zero-zilch-nada to do with how many 2x4's were
needed or even with anything you said in your post. Not quite sure why
you jumped all over those comments. I guess you just wanted to split
hairs.

reply: Â*did you get the part where I said it would cost about $75 to do the
plate/stud/sheetrock idea?

No?

sigh .........................

The guy is obviously an idiot, or he'd have it up already. Â*Now, he's
probably going to put up used snow fence or used chain link.

Whatever.

Steve- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

sigh .........................

Ah, a cleansing breath. Feel better?

I guess the only thing I can say is that I'm glad you're not
estimating my jobs. At a minimum, your 2 x 4 estimate was off by 50%,
at worst (with double plates) off by 100%.

I'll think I'll price out my own materials. Thanks for stopping by.
If he wants to do it "cheap" lots of places give away used pallets.
Bolt 'em together and you have a framed wall at no chatge. Then buy
cheap wall-board, aspenite sheathing, or whatever you can get your
hands on.

Not pretty - but cheap and effective.