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I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I
was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate |
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On Aug 30, 10:47*pm, Kate wrote:
I am replacing my railing. *At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate Where is the installation? Depending on the environmental conditions vinyl might be better than aluminum but could be reserved as well. cheers Bob |
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fftt wrote:
On Aug 30, 10:47 pm, Kate wrote: I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate Where is the installation? Depending on the environmental conditions vinyl might be better than aluminum but could be reserved as well. cheers Bob I am replacing my redwood deck, at my front door, with concrete. After the concrete settles for about two weeks, I plan on installing the new railing. The entire area is covered overhead. I live in central WA state and it gets up to 105 during the summer months, sometimes, and as cold as -10 which is rare. Thanks. |
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"Kate" wrote in message ... I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate I've not seen it, but I'd have to think that 10 years from now, the aluminum would be looking better. That is not to say the vinyl would be falling apart, siding last for 40 years or more, but it can get dull. |
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:47:08 -0700, Kate wrote:
I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate Is this an outside railing? Will it be in the sun. Aluminum can get very hot in the sun. |
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On Aug 31, 12:47*am, Kate wrote:
I am replacing my railing. *At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate Aluminum and vinyl are pretty flimsy, wont take much of a hit, dent, bend, sounds like you could fall right through them, wood or steel have strength. But I havnt seen the aluminum, aluminum is probably more expensive than steel, you are pulling a permit, ask the inspector what he thinks and what is "Allowed", stores sell what they have and not what is best. I use wood or steel. |
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"Kate" wrote in message ... I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate We need more information. Is this a railing that will prevent someone from falling over an edge and from a height? Or just one that is hand high, and on the ground? You want to make it so that the stupidest clumsiest person in the world could not fall over it or through it, or some lardass teenager lean on it and do a half gainer down to the driveway. I would do ornamental metal, but that's what I'd do. I don't like vinyl, as it cracks in cold weather, and the same amount of aluminum would be about 3x the money, regardless of what the salesman says, unless you're using some cheap thin aluminum. Do it right if means someone's life is depending on it. steve |
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Kate wrote:
I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate Hi, I have a length of Al railing on my back porch and Vinyl fence. Did not need anything to do with Al. Replaced couple sections of fence due to cracking. Al. is more solid for sure. |
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On Aug 30, 11:41*pm, Kate wrote:
fftt wrote: On Aug 30, 10:47 pm, Kate wrote: I am replacing my railing. *At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate Where is the installation? Depending on the environmental conditions vinyl might be better than aluminum but could be reserved as well. cheers Bob I am replacing my redwood deck, at my front door, with concrete. After the concrete settles for about two weeks, I plan on installing the new railing. *The entire area is covered overhead. I live in central WA state and it gets up to 105 during the summer months, sometimes, and as cold as -10 which is rare. Thanks. In those conditions I'd use either depending on how sturdy each proposed product will be for the intended use. I've see the full range of aluminum or vinyl fences, gates & patio covers; from super strong to real junk. Wood is hard to beat for strength & stiffness, maintenance is an issue though For aluminum I was concerned about a seaside or very damp environment. "after the concrete settles" ??????? concrete properly designed & placed should stay just were it was put I hope the person responsible for the design & construction has worked out the "deck to railing" connections. They are usually best cast in place as opposed to a subsequent bolt on arrangement. cheers Bob |
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All other things being equal, aluminum will last longer. Irrigation
pipe is made of a typical aluminum alloy, sees very harsh conditions, and usually lasts longer than its owner. Then there's the issue of thickness and cross-section size. See if you can get to an actual installation and have a strong person really manhandle it. Occasionally you hear corrosion rumors about aluminum in conctact with certain types of concrete, but if the aluminum is coated, I doubt that will be an issue. |
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Kate wrote in -
september.org: We have aluminum railings with glass inserts - getting to end of third year now. The aluminum is great for sturdiness with no signs of corrosion - bolred to pressure treated wood decks and along a concrete retaining wall. The aluminum has a few small dents where it was bumped with shovels or something during moving time. PVC wouldn't dent but it could get black mould stains if you it is in the shade and damp - mould can't be cleaned out of PVC if it gets deep into the plastic. If the railing is high and dry and in the sun it won't mould but it may get stains from other sources such as tree sap. The aluminum did need a few shots of silicon caulk to solve rattle noise from vibrations but it has been quiet for two years now. We are in central Canada where it gets down to minus 35 and up to 90 degrees with lots of snow and rain. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Kate" wrote in message ... I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate I've not seen it, but I'd have to think that 10 years from now, the aluminum would be looking better. That is not to say the vinyl would be falling apart, siding last for 40 years or more, but it can get dull. That is exactly what I am thinking. My neighbors installed a vinyl picket fence six years ago. It is dull, and rough to the touch. Many thanks. |
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DT wrote:
In article , says... I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Are they vinyl or PVC? I have Sherline PVC railings with an aluminum I-beam inside the top rail. They are quite sturdy with a nice fastening system and very easy to clean. There are big differences in the strength of plastic railings as the price goes up. The brochure I have says it is called, "Regal Aluminum Railings". It is powder coated. Is this the info. you asked for? |
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ransley wrote:
On Aug 31, 12:47 am, Kate wrote: I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate Aluminum and vinyl are pretty flimsy, wont take much of a hit, dent, bend, sounds like you could fall right through them, wood or steel have strength. But I havnt seen the aluminum, aluminum is probably more expensive than steel, you are pulling a permit, ask the inspector what he thinks and what is "Allowed", stores sell what they have and not what is best. I use wood or steel. Thanks for the info. The ones I am interested in are made of powder ocated aluminum. I saw them at Lowes/Ziggys Sunday, and they are quite strong. Like you said, the salesman did not recommend vinyl as it is alittle flimsy, and would not take much of a hit. |
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SteveB wrote:
"Kate" wrote in message ... I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate We need more information. Is this a railing that will prevent someone from falling over an edge and from a height? Or just one that is hand high, and on the ground? You want to make it so that the stupidest clumsiest person in the world could not fall over it or through it, or some lardass teenager lean on it and do a half gainer down to the driveway. I would do ornamental metal, but that's what I'd do. I don't like vinyl, as it cracks in cold weather, and the same amount of aluminum would be about 3x the money, regardless of what the salesman says, unless you're using some cheap thin aluminum. Do it right if means someone's life is depending on it. steve This deck is to the left of my front door. It is very small and holds a bench and table. Without a railing, one could jump off of it easily. It is not very tall. I am basically just "dressing up" the area. Code says I don't even need a railing. I just like the looks. |
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Tony Hwang wrote:
Kate wrote: I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate Hi, I have a length of Al railing on my back porch and Vinyl fence. Did not need anything to do with Al. Replaced couple sections of fence due to cracking. Al. is more solid for sure. Thanks. Just the info. I was looking for. |
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fftt wrote:
On Aug 30, 11:41 pm, Kate wrote: fftt wrote: On Aug 30, 10:47 pm, Kate wrote: I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate Where is the installation? Depending on the environmental conditions vinyl might be better than aluminum but could be reserved as well. cheers Bob I am replacing my redwood deck, at my front door, with concrete. After the concrete settles for about two weeks, I plan on installing the new railing. The entire area is covered overhead. I live in central WA state and it gets up to 105 during the summer months, sometimes, and as cold as -10 which is rare. Thanks. In those conditions I'd use either depending on how sturdy each proposed product will be for the intended use. I've see the full range of aluminum or vinyl fences, gates & patio covers; from super strong to real junk. Wood is hard to beat for strength & stiffness, maintenance is an issue though For aluminum I was concerned about a seaside or very damp environment. "after the concrete settles" ??????? concrete properly designed & placed should stay just were it was put I hope the person responsible for the design & construction has worked out the "deck to railing" connections. They are usually best cast in place as opposed to a subsequent bolt on arrangement. cheers Bob I should have said, "after the concrete cures". It is my understanding that the concrete should cure before drilling holes into it to secure the new railing. I had a redwood deck before, as well as a wood railing. I am just trying to keep things simple which is why I am interested in the aluminum or vinyl. I did not want to cast the raining in place with concrete, just in case I ever needed to replace it. I felt that the type of railing that is bolted in place, and covered with a nice cap, would do the trick. |
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mike wrote:
All other things being equal, aluminum will last longer. Irrigation pipe is made of a typical aluminum alloy, sees very harsh conditions, and usually lasts longer than its owner. Then there's the issue of thickness and cross-section size. See if you can get to an actual installation and have a strong person really manhandle it. Occasionally you hear corrosion rumors about aluminum in conctact with certain types of concrete, but if the aluminum is coated, I doubt that will be an issue. This newsgroup is awesome. I saw quite a good portion of this railing already installed as a demo at Ziggys. It was very sturdy, and this is the one reason I am considering it. They had a vinyl display next to it, and it had quite a bit of give. I would not hesitate using vinyl for a privacy fence, but for a small deck railing, I have my doubts. Yes, the aluminum is powder coated, and made by Regal. Thanks for the feedback. |
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Reno wrote:
Kate wrote in - september.org: We have aluminum railings with glass inserts - getting to end of third year now. The aluminum is great for sturdiness with no signs of corrosion - bolred to pressure treated wood decks and along a concrete retaining wall. The aluminum has a few small dents where it was bumped with shovels or something during moving time. PVC wouldn't dent but it could get black mould stains if you it is in the shade and damp - mould can't be cleaned out of PVC if it gets deep into the plastic. If the railing is high and dry and in the sun it won't mould but it may get stains from other sources such as tree sap. The aluminum did need a few shots of silicon caulk to solve rattle noise from vibrations but it has been quiet for two years now. We are in central Canada where it gets down to minus 35 and up to 90 degrees with lots of snow and rain. Great info. I do feel I will be going with the aluminum. There are no trees around the area either, so this should be a bonus. No small children around to climb around on it either. Thanks for your input. Much appreciate. |
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"Kate" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: "Kate" wrote in message ... I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate We need more information. Is this a railing that will prevent someone from falling over an edge and from a height? Or just one that is hand high, and on the ground? You want to make it so that the stupidest clumsiest person in the world could not fall over it or through it, or some lardass teenager lean on it and do a half gainer down to the driveway. I would do ornamental metal, but that's what I'd do. I don't like vinyl, as it cracks in cold weather, and the same amount of aluminum would be about 3x the money, regardless of what the salesman says, unless you're using some cheap thin aluminum. Do it right if means someone's life is depending on it. steve This deck is to the left of my front door. It is very small and holds a bench and table. Without a railing, one could jump off of it easily. It is not very tall. I am basically just "dressing up" the area. Code says I don't even need a railing. I just like the looks. Okay. Big difference. Some decks are very high. Whatever fits, and you like is the thing to put there. Steve |
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SteveB wrote:
"Kate" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: "Kate" wrote in message ... I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate We need more information. Is this a railing that will prevent someone from falling over an edge and from a height? Or just one that is hand high, and on the ground? You want to make it so that the stupidest clumsiest person in the world could not fall over it or through it, or some lardass teenager lean on it and do a half gainer down to the driveway. I would do ornamental metal, but that's what I'd do. I don't like vinyl, as it cracks in cold weather, and the same amount of aluminum would be about 3x the money, regardless of what the salesman says, unless you're using some cheap thin aluminum. Do it right if means someone's life is depending on it. steve This deck is to the left of my front door. It is very small and holds a bench and table. Without a railing, one could jump off of it easily. It is not very tall. I am basically just "dressing up" the area. Code says I don't even need a railing. I just like the looks. Okay. Big difference. Some decks are very high. Whatever fits, and you like is the thing to put there. Steve Thank you Steve. |
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"Kate" wrote in message
... I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate If you live by the sea, sal****er would be a concern for aluminum, otherwise I'd say aluminum. Vinyl discolors if it's exposed to sun, and may become brittle after such exposure too. |
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"Kate" wrote in message
... Are they vinyl or PVC? I have Sherline PVC railings with an aluminum I-beam inside the top rail. They are quite sturdy with a nice fastening system and very easy to clean. There are big differences in the strength of plastic railings as the price goes up. The brochure I have says it is called, "Regal Aluminum Railings". It is powder coated. Is this the info. you asked for? Powder coatings are very durable. Basically a plastic dust sprayed on to the metal, the stuff is then baked on in an oven. |
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Bob M. wrote:
"Kate" wrote in message ... Are they vinyl or PVC? I have Sherline PVC railings with an aluminum I-beam inside the top rail. They are quite sturdy with a nice fastening system and very easy to clean. There are big differences in the strength of plastic railings as the price goes up. The brochure I have says it is called, "Regal Aluminum Railings". It is powder coated. Is this the info. you asked for? Powder coatings are very durable. Basically a plastic dust sprayed on to the metal, the stuff is then baked on in an oven. Thank you Bob for all this good info. I am definitely going with the aluminum. |
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On Aug 31, 2:53*pm, Kate wrote:
fftt wrote: On Aug 30, 11:41 pm, Kate wrote: fftt wrote: On Aug 30, 10:47 pm, Kate wrote: I am replacing my railing. *At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate Where is the installation? Depending on the environmental conditions vinyl might be better than aluminum but could be reserved as well. cheers Bob I am replacing my redwood deck, at my front door, with concrete. After the concrete settles for about two weeks, I plan on installing the new railing. *The entire area is covered overhead. I live in central WA state and it gets up to 105 during the summer months, sometimes, and as cold as -10 which is rare. Thanks. In those conditions I'd use either depending on how sturdy each proposed product will be for the intended use. I've see the full range of aluminum or vinyl fences, gates & patio covers; from super strong to real junk. Wood is hard to beat for strength & stiffness, maintenance is an issue though For aluminum I was concerned about a seaside or very damp environment. "after the concrete settles" ??????? concrete properly designed & placed should stay just were it was put I hope the person responsible for the design & construction has worked out the "deck to railing" connections. They are usually best cast in place as opposed to a subsequent bolt on arrangement. cheers Bob I should have said, "after the concrete cures". *It is my understanding that the concrete should cure before drilling holes into it to secure the new railing. I had a redwood deck before, as well as a wood railing. *I am just trying to keep things simple which is why I am interested in the aluminum or vinyl. I did not want to cast the raining in place with concrete, just in case I ever needed to replace it. *I felt that the type of railing that is bolted in place, and covered with a nice cap, would do the trick. I would recommend you examine a similar "bolted in place" installation before you comment to that approach. The connection from the railing to the concrete is key. It is possible to embed appropriate hardware in the concrete such that the railing is easy to install & replace as needed. A pure bolt-on, after the fact may not be as sturdy are you expect or want. cheers Bob |
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Kate wrote:
Bob M. wrote: "Kate" wrote in message ... Are they vinyl or PVC? I have Sherline PVC railings with an aluminum I-beam inside the top rail. They are quite sturdy with a nice fastening system and very easy to clean. There are big differences in the strength of plastic railings as the price goes up. The brochure I have says it is called, "Regal Aluminum Railings". It is powder coated. Is this the info. you asked for? Powder coatings are very durable. Basically a plastic dust sprayed on to the metal, the stuff is then baked on in an oven. Thank you Bob for all this good info. I am definitely going with the aluminum. Be sure to report back in 10 or 20 years as to how it worked out:-)) Lou |
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On Aug 31, 1:47*am, Kate wrote:
I am replacing my railing. *At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate When I bought my house it had a steel railing that the paint flaked off of and it rusted within about 6 years.Examination of the paint flakes showed that the metal had not been primed. It was at that time I decided to take off the rear deck and replace it with a concrete patio. I liked the looks of the steel so I checked to see if I could get more of it and see about other coatings to put on it. I knew it should have held up better than what it did. I managed to get a good deal on with an upstart company that was doing powder coating. They agreed to do the job for $150 if I would wait a few weeks for them to get an oven full. Well that was 14 years ago and they still look like the day they were installed. I suspect powder coated aluminum would do as well. I'm not sure of how well the vinyl holds up but I know several people who have put it up and taken it back out. Here in this neighborhood it seems like it always gets ripped out by the new owners whenever a house sales. I think its mostly because a lot of people just don't like the appearance of it. Jimmie |
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JIMMIE wrote:
On Aug 31, 1:47 am, Kate wrote: I am replacing my railing. At first, I was sold on vinyl, but today I was at Lowes/Ziggys and I think I like the powdered aluminum railings better. The salesmen at both stores said aluminum will last longer, and the price is probably $50 more or less. Does anyone have aluminum and do you like it? Is anyone sold on vinyl? Any feedback would be great. Thanks. Kate When I bought my house it had a steel railing that the paint flaked off of and it rusted within about 6 years.Examination of the paint flakes showed that the metal had not been primed. It was at that time I decided to take off the rear deck and replace it with a concrete patio. I liked the looks of the steel so I checked to see if I could get more of it and see about other coatings to put on it. I knew it should have held up better than what it did. I managed to get a good deal on with an upstart company that was doing powder coating. They agreed to do the job for $150 if I would wait a few weeks for them to get an oven full. Well that was 14 years ago and they still look like the day they were installed. I suspect powder coated aluminum would do as well. I'm not sure of how well the vinyl holds up but I know several people who have put it up and taken it back out. Here in this neighborhood it seems like it always gets ripped out by the new owners whenever a house sales. I think its mostly because a lot of people just don't like the appearance of it. Jimmie Thank you Jimmie. I am sold on powdered brushed aluminum. I have not received any bad info. on that product. |
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"Kate" wrote in message Thank you Jimmie. I am sold on powdered brushed aluminum. I have not received any bad info. on that product. I should have mentioned, my table and chairs on the deck are powder coated aluminum. Over 20 years and still looks pretty good. |
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