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I bought a used rooftop tv antenna at a garage sale so there are no
instructions. I know how to mount it and connect the coax, but I do not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. I know the UHF elements are the smaller ones and the VHF are the larger ones. But which end goes toward the station? Here is a crude drawing (below). \\\\\\ -- ////// You'd think there would be a diagram on the web, but I sure can not find one. They should mark it right on the antenna but they dont. Jimw |
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"Jimw" wrote in message ... I bought a used rooftop tv antenna at a garage sale so there are no instructions. I know how to mount it and connect the coax, but I do not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. I know the UHF elements are the smaller ones and the VHF are the larger ones. But which end goes toward the station? Here is a crude drawing (below). \\\\\\ -- ////// http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html |
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1D10T wrote:
"Jimw" wrote in message ... I bought a used rooftop tv antenna at a garage sale so there are no instructions. I know how to mount it and connect the coax, but I do not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. I know the UHF elements are the smaller ones and the VHF are the larger ones. But which end goes toward the station? Here is a crude drawing (below). \\\\\\ -- ////// http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html Get yourself a "low noise amplifier" for the mast of the antenna. It will really improve your reception. Radio Shack has some. |
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On Fri, 01 May 2009 21:26:03 -0500, Jimw wrote:
I bought a used rooftop tv antenna at a garage sale so there are no instructions. I know how to mount it and connect the coax, but I do not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. I know the UHF elements are the smaller ones and the VHF are the larger ones. But which end goes toward the station? Here is a crude drawing (below). \\\\\\ -- ////// You'd think there would be a diagram on the web, but I sure can not find one. They should mark it right on the antenna but they dont. Jimw The longest elements are always the back side of the antenna. |
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Jimw wrote:
I bought a used rooftop tv antenna at a garage sale so there are no instructions. I know how to mount it and connect the coax, but I do not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. I know the UHF elements are the smaller ones and the VHF are the larger ones. But which end goes toward the station? Here is a crude drawing (below). \\\\\\ -- ////// You'd think there would be a diagram on the web, but I sure can not find one. They should mark it right on the antenna but they dont. Jimw Hi, Basically, there are multi element on a boom. Shorter element side should point to the station. Short element is called director, longer one is called reflector. The more elements, the more gain. |
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On May 2, 1:23*am, Tony Hwang wrote:
Jimw wrote: I bought a used rooftop tv antenna at a garage sale so there are no instructions. *I know how to mount it and connect the coax, but I do not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. I know the UHF elements are the smaller ones and the VHF are the larger ones. *But which end goes toward the station? *Here is a crude drawing (below). * * * \\\\\\ -- * * * ////// You'd think there would be a diagram on the web, but I sure can not find one. *They should mark it right on the antenna but they dont. Jimw Hi, Basically, there are multi element on a boom. Shorter element side should point to the station. Short element is called director, longer one is called reflector. The more elements, the more gain.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The more elements it has the more 'pointy' or directional the antenna will be! In other words, using a multi element antenna, if the antenna is pointed directly at one station, another station, off say 30 degrees to one side in direction, may not be received at all If signals are weak an antenna with more elements generally has more 'gain' (From the ONE desired direction!). |
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Jimw wrote:
I bought a used rooftop tv antenna at a garage sale so there are no instructions. I know how to mount it and connect the coax, but I do not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. I know the UHF elements are the smaller ones and the VHF are the larger ones. But which end goes toward the station? Here is a crude drawing (below). \\\\\\ -- ////// You'd think there would be a diagram on the web, but I sure can not find one. They should mark it right on the antenna but they dont. Forget theory. Which direction gets the best reception? |
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On May 2, 7:26*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Jimw wrote: I bought a used rooftop tv antenna at a garage sale so there are no instructions. *I know how to mount it and connect the coax, but I do not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. I know the UHF elements are the smaller ones and the VHF are the larger ones. *But which end goes toward the station? *Here is a crude drawing (below). * * *\\\\\\ -- * * *////// You'd think there would be a diagram on the web, but I sure can not find one. *They should mark it right on the antenna but they dont. Forget theory. Which direction gets the best reception?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - in the illustration provided by the OP, the station should be to the left of the antenna. |
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On May 2, 10:26*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Jimw wrote: I bought a used rooftop tv antenna at a garage sale so there are no instructions. *I know how to mount it and connect the coax, but I do not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. I know the UHF elements are the smaller ones and the VHF are the larger ones. *But which end goes toward the station? *Here is a crude drawing (below). * * *\\\\\\ -- * * *////// You'd think there would be a diagram on the web, but I sure can not find one. *They should mark it right on the antenna but they dont. Forget theory. Which direction gets the best reception?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Definitely also true. But you may get someone who has no technical background putting up an antenna which does not work for the several stations (in different directions from their particular location) that they wish to receive. And then gets into a song and dance about how it is the same antenna that works OK for his brother in law (who lives in a different location of course!). OR "The salesman 'said' this was the best one for this area ................." and so on ....... ! All without reference to any understanding about basic technical facts. Also there will always be the people who achieve perfectly satisfactory TV reception with a broken off coat hanger jammed in top of the set in place of the uni-pole antenna that broke off ten years off when they were moving house. Provided that is the cat does not perch on top of the sofa; just 'there'. "Hon: Shoo the cat off the sofa will you? I want to watch this guy pitch .....! " We ran into a situation once, long before the advent of cable TV here, whereby the owner used to pour hot water over his antenna connections to wash off the sea salt spray. It worked! Another guy in same community got best signal if he pointed his antenna off line, it is still my opinion that by doing so with his particular antenna he was avoiding a strong second signal (in favour of the direct signal) reflected from the metal cladding of the local fish processing plant! Ah yes; but reflected FM and TV signals was how the British discovered radar before WWII! Ever notice how a TV picture sometimes goes 'all- wavery' if/when a plane flies over? As previous posters have said indicated it IS a combination of technology and local conditions. But starting with 'pointy' end towards the TV station is best way to start. |
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"HeyBub" wrote
Jimw wrote: not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. Forget theory. Which direction gets the best reception? LOL! Ya beat me to it! Until I saw folks taking this seriously I was kinda thinking it was a joke post. Must be a 'man thing' there ;-) Real method, put up antenna but don't bolt tight yet. Turn antenna bit bit by bit until the best location is determined. Tighten bolts so it stays there. |
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On May 2, 7:00*am, "cshenk" wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote Jimw wrote: not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. Forget theory. Which direction gets the best reception? LOL! *Ya beat me to it! *Until I saw folks taking this seriously I was kinda thinking it was a joke post. *Must be a 'man thing' there ;-) Real method, put up antenna but don't bolt tight yet. *Turn antenna bit bit by bit until the best location is determined. *Tighten bolts so it stays there. Yes and a cheap set of walkie talkies works best to determine where the best reception is. Partner watches TV while other one turns mast. Harry K |
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cshenk wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote Jimw wrote: not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. Forget theory. Which direction gets the best reception? LOL! Ya beat me to it! Until I saw folks taking this seriously I was kinda thinking it was a joke post. Must be a 'man thing' there ;-) Real method, put up antenna but don't bolt tight yet. Turn antenna bit bit by bit until the best location is determined. Tighten bolts so it stays there. Hi, Yeah! And add to it, height matters too. The higher the better is not really the case. You gotta hit the sweet spot height wise. |
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Hi, Yeah! And add to it, height matters too. The higher the better is not really the case. You gotta hit the sweet spot height wise. Huh? Height gain is real and exist for all frequencies. The only time excess height will work against you is when your feed line losses outweigh you height gain. You'll have to go very high for this to happen on TV frequencies. There is no sweet spot unless you are somehow physically obstructed. |
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cshenk wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote Jimw wrote: not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. Forget theory. Which direction gets the best reception? LOL! Ya beat me to it! Until I saw folks taking this seriously I was kinda thinking it was a joke post. Must be a 'man thing' there ;-) Real method, put up antenna but don't bolt tight yet. Turn antenna bit bit by bit until the best location is determined. Tighten bolts so it stays there. Around here, I'd need about 3 different antennas, or a rotator. Several of the neighbors have those 'flying saucer' omni antennas, with built-in amps, but I'm not sure how well they work, and I'd have to rewire the coax a tad (move the splitters inside) so as to not put any DC into the satt receiver, which they do not like. I suppose I should try to catch one of said neighbors out working in their yard, and ask what stations they get. The web sites say I'm too far away from the xmitters for an omni, but they always are conservative in their estimates. To put up a real fringe antenna with a rotator, I'd either have to kill a tree, or move the pole to other end of house. -- aem sends... |
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On May 2, 12:46�pm, wrote:
Hi, Yeah! And add to it, height matters too. The higher the better is not really the case. You gotta hit the sweet spot height wise. Huh? Height gain is real and exist for all frequencies. The only time excess height will work against you is when your feed line losses outweigh you height gain. You'll �have to go very high for this to happen on TV frequencies. There is no sweet spot unless you are somehow physically obstructed. not necessarily true. radio waves (tv waves) are like waves on a pond, in places they add to make larger waves......... in other places they cancel one another. So you can go higher and get worse results |
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Jimw wrote:
I bought a used rooftop tv antenna at a garage sale so there are no instructions. I know how to mount it and connect the coax, but I do not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. I know the UHF elements are the smaller ones and the VHF are the larger ones. But which end goes toward the station? Here is a crude drawing (below). \\\\\\ -- ////// You'd think there would be a diagram on the web, but I sure can not find one. They should mark it right on the antenna but they dont. Jimw www.dishnetwork.com |
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"cshenk" wrote in message
... "HeyBub" wrote Jimw wrote: not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. Forget theory. Which direction gets the best reception? LOL! Ya beat me to it! Until I saw folks taking this seriously I was kinda thinking it was a joke post. Must be a 'man thing' there ;-) Real method, put up antenna but don't bolt tight yet. Turn antenna bit bit by bit until the best location is determined. Tighten bolts so it stays there. Real method? Hardly. Get an antenna rotator, a small motor that mounts on the mast. The control is near the TV so you can move the antenna from inside. |
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"Jimw" wrote in message
... I bought a used rooftop tv antenna at a garage sale so there are no instructions. I know how to mount it and connect the coax, but I do not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. I know the UHF elements are the smaller ones and the VHF are the larger ones. But which end goes toward the station? Here is a crude drawing (below). \\\\\\ -- ////// It's called a Yagi antenna, very common in ham radio. The narrow end points toward the TV station's antenna; the wide end is the "back" of the antenna, the reflector. |
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On 5/2/2009 7:00 AM cshenk spake thus:
"HeyBub" wrote Jimw wrote: not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. Forget theory. Which direction gets the best reception? LOL! Ya beat me to it! Until I saw folks taking this seriously I was kinda thinking it was a joke post. Must be a 'man thing' there ;-) Real method, put up antenna but don't bolt tight yet. Turn antenna bit bit by bit until the best location is determined. Tighten bolts so it stays there. I just did exactly this for one of my clients a couple days ago: I climbed on roof, grabbed antenna and moved it while she went inside and checked TV, came out and said "Better!" or "Worse!" until it was optimal. (Fortunately, she only watches one TV station for the most part, making it easy to adjust.) I hate climbing on roofs, by the way. -- Save the Planet Kill Yourself - motto of the Church of Euthanasia (http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/) |
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"harry k" wrote
"cshenk" wrote: Real method, put up antenna but don't bolt tight yet. Turn antenna bit bit by bit until the best location is determined. Tighten bolts so it stays there. Yes and a cheap set of walkie talkies works best to determine where the best reception is. Partner watches TV while other one turns mast. I've actually done that! Charlottesville VA, 105 Deerwood Drive. Most of the times though we just opened a window and hollard out it. |
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"Bob M." wrote
"cshenk" wrote not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. Forget theory. Which direction gets the best reception? LOL! Ya beat me to it! Until I saw folks taking this seriously I was kinda thinking it was a joke post. Must be a 'man thing' there ;-) Real method, put up antenna but don't bolt tight yet. Turn antenna bit bit by bit until the best location is determined. Tighten bolts so it stays there. Real method? Hardly. Get an antenna rotator, a small motor that mounts on the mast. The control is near the TV so you can move the antenna from inside. Um, Bob, if he had that sort of fancy setup, he wouldnt be asking with direction to point it in ;-) |
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"cshenk" wrote in message ... "Bob M." wrote Real method? Hardly. Get an antenna rotator, a small motor that mounts on the mast. The control is near the TV so you can move the antenna from inside. "cshenk" wrote Um, Bob, if he had that sort of fancy setup, he wouldnt be asking with direction to point it in ;-) Um, cshenk, Bob didn't say he had that sort of fancy setup. He said "*get* an antenna rotator". |
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Steve Barker wrote:
Jimw wrote: I bought a used rooftop tv antenna at a garage sale so there are no instructions. I know how to mount it and connect the coax, but I do not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. I know the UHF elements are the smaller ones and the VHF are the larger ones. But which end goes toward the station? Here is a crude drawing (below). \\\\\\ -- ////// You'd think there would be a diagram on the web, but I sure can not find one. They should mark it right on the antenna but they dont. Jimw www.dishnetwork.com Not everyone can spare that kind of money every month, especially these days. And even if you can, a roof antenna as a backup is still a good idea. (not to mention Dish still doesn't offer local channels in all markets.) -- aem sends... |
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On Sat, 02 May 2009 10:42:59 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote: wrote: Hi, Yeah! And add to it, height matters too. The higher the better is not really the case. You gotta hit the sweet spot height wise. Huh? Height gain is real and exist for all frequencies. The only time excess height will work against you is when your feed line losses outweigh you height gain. You'll have to go very high for this to happen on TV frequencies. There is no sweet spot unless you are somehow physically obstructed. Hmm, From the days when I was active in telecommunications engineering, I was trying to capture long distance TV relay signal, guess what? I could only get a decent stable signal at certain height on the tower. Lower or higher the signal disappeared. Had numerous instances like this on VHF, UHF, troposcatter, microwave repeater installations. Retired in '96 after spending my whole life in the field and been a ham since my boyhood as well. Class of '60, EE. VE6CGX Then you must be misinterpreting what is going on. Height is never detrimental to an antenna unless line losses come into play. |
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On Sat, 2 May 2009 10:54:03 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote: On May 2, 12:46?pm, wrote: Hi, Yeah! And add to it, height matters too. The higher the better is not really the case. You gotta hit the sweet spot height wise. Huh? Height gain is real and exist for all frequencies. The only time excess height will work against you is when your feed line losses outweigh you height gain. You'll ?have to go very high for this to happen on TV frequencies. There is no sweet spot unless you are somehow physically obstructed. not necessarily true. radio waves (tv waves) are like waves on a pond, in places they add to make larger waves......... in other places they cancel one another. So you can go higher and get worse results This in ONLy true when the antenna is only a few wavelength from the ground. At best with a perfectly reflecting ground plane, that doesn't exist, you may expect a 6db maximum gain at these additive reflection distances, however this perfect ground planer does not exist and height can easily give greater gains than 6db. |
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Then you must be misinterpreting what is going on. Height is never detrimental to an antenna unless line losses come into play. Hi, Line loss on what? Hard coax, nitrogen charged waveguide have very low loss and SWR is near 1 to 1. Standard TV coax is on subject. It does have losses that should be considered. Explain then why signal disappears when height is lowered. In theory (doesn't exist in this case) e fields can cancel or be additive at different heights. Noise level is more important than signal level when dealing with terrestrial signal.(-90db range) Maybe you forgot that the subject is a TV antenna. No nitrogen charged wave guide. No hard coax. This is a TV antenna. A TV antenna is a multiple frequency antenna unlike the ones you seem to be referring to. A TV antenna does not have radial ground wires buried in the ground like broadcast antennas to enhance signal gain. No sweet spot exist for multiple frequency antennas like TV antennas over normal ground. A TV antenna can not take advantage of ground reflections because there are no buried radials, and even if it had buried radials how can you find a sweet spot for the entire frequency range of the antenna? Raise and lower it when you change channels? |
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not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. Forget theory. Which direction gets the best reception? I have the same type antenna. a bunch of horizontal "V" s (looks like the 'feathers end; of an arrow with a smaller Vertical "V" at the "arrow" end. I put in one of the "new" Antenna adapters and it gave me good reception on 14 "locals" with the "pointy end" aimed at the mountain where 3-4 transmitters are. There was one "local" I couldn't get (CBS) facing that way so I turned it around, with the smaller vertical "V" pointing that way. I got the missing "local" and the signal strength went up on 5 of the channels but I lost 3 other less desirable locals (WB CW etc).. |
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"1D10T" wrote
"cshenk" wrote "Bob M." wrote Real method? Hardly. Get an antenna rotator, a small motor that mounts on the mast. The control is near the TV so you can move the antenna from inside. "cshenk" wrote Um, Bob, if he had that sort of fancy setup, he wouldnt be asking with direction to point it in ;-) Um, cshenk, Bob didn't say he had that sort of fancy setup. He said "*get* an antenna rotator". LOL, ok, ya got me. Should have read better. I wonder what such run now in cost? Not relevant me but curiousity. We never had one as a kid. |
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On Sat, 02 May 2009 20:59:10 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote: wrote: Then you must be misinterpreting what is going on. Height is never detrimental to an antenna unless line losses come into play. Hi, Line loss on what? Hard coax, nitrogen charged waveguide have very low loss and SWR is near 1 to 1. No sweet spot exist for multiple frequency antennas like TV antennas over normal ground. A TV antenna can not take advantage of ground reflections because there are no buried radials, and even if it had buried radials how can you find a sweet spot for the entire frequency range of the antenna? Raise and lower it when you change channels? Hi, One more and I am out. Is there a theory for TV antenna and another for microwave? On theory we use isopole or dipole in free space usinf reference dbi or dbd. Theory and reality are very different. In reality microwaves compared to vhf/uhf waves behave differently when hitting earth ground. In reality microwaves react differently when it comes to traveling around the curvature of the earth. In reality microwaves dissipate differently in air. In reality microwaves use different feed lines. In reality microwaves are a single frequency. In reality attributing theory or microwaves to explain a TV antennas behavior is not reality. |
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"cshenk" wrote in message ... LOL, ok, ya got me. Should have read better. I wonder what such run now in cost? Not relevant me but curiousity. We never had one as a kid. I haven't looked into a rotator yet; not even sure if they're even available anymore. I just built this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/joearnold/3399193845/ from instructions in a youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQhlmJTMzw It does work quite well, but seems very directional. I made a second one and paralleled them; facing 45º apart. Much better, but I think I now need to mess with different heights. I'm in a remote area, with transmitters averaging 40 miles away. Getting 13 digital channels, but still need to get a consistent PBS feed. |
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harry k wrote in
: On May 2, 7:00*am, "cshenk" wrote: "HeyBub" wrote Jimw wrote: not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. Forget theory. Which direction gets the best reception? LOL! *Ya beat me to it! *Until I saw folks taking this seriously I wa s kinda thinking it was a joke post. *Must be a 'man thing' there ;-) Real method, put up antenna but don't bolt tight yet. *Turn antenna bit bit by bit until the best location is determined. *Tighten bolts so it stay s there. Yes and a cheap set of walkie talkies works best to determine where the best reception is. Partner watches TV while other one turns mast. Harry K walkie talkies? With all the cell phones these days... And most landline cordlesses come with multiple phones. |
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Walkies don't use up your cell minutes.
Living in a trailer, my TV is right next to the antenna mast. I turn the TV around so it faces the window. then I can rotate the antenna and watch the screen at the same time. If I wasn't Mormon, I could also drink a beer, fart, smoke a cigarette, and pee on the skirting at the same time. Redneck heaven! -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Red Green" wrote in message ... Yes and a cheap set of walkie talkies works best to determine where the best reception is. Partner watches TV while other one turns mast. Harry K walkie talkies? With all the cell phones these days... And most landline cordlesses come with multiple phones. |
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On May 8, 7:28*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: Walkies don't use up your cell minutes. Living in a trailer, my TV is right next to the antenna mast. I turn the TV around so it faces the window. then I can rotate the antenna and watch the screen at the same time. If I wasn't Mormon, I could also drink a beer, fart, smoke a cigarette, and pee on the skirting at the same time. Redneck heaven! Mormon's can't fart? That alone is a good reason not to be a Mormon ;-) I thought the Jews had it bad with circumcision, but not farting -- that's beyond the pale. That's got to cause you some pain. I bet you don't eat chili, either. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus *www.lds.org . "Red Green" wrote in message ... Yes and a cheap set of walkie talkies works best to determine where the best reception is. *Partner watches TV while other one turns mast. Harry K walkie talkies? With all the cell phones these days... And most landline cordlesses come with multiple phones. |
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"Stormin Mormon" wrote in news:gu152t
: If I wasn't Mormon, I could also drink a beer, fart, smoke a cigarette, and pee on the skirting at the same time. Redneck heaven! -- You poor *******. You should gets a chek for dat. Ask anyone around where I am. |
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Jimw wrote:
I bought a used rooftop tv antenna at a garage sale so there are no instructions. I know how to mount it and connect the coax, but I do not recall which end points toward the tv station transmitter. I know the UHF elements are the smaller ones and the VHF are the larger ones. But which end goes toward the station? Here is a crude drawing (below). \\\\\\ -- ////// You'd think there would be a diagram on the web, but I sure can not find one. They should mark it right on the antenna but they dont. Jimw use the end that brings in the most channels. |
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Oh, the dietary restrictions are really severe. We have to
go in to the hospital twice a year, and have our fart surgically removed. As you can guess, it's not covered by our tithing. We have to pay for it out of pocket. Oy, it would be so much easier to snip and be done with it for the rest of your life. I hope nobody believes a word of this post! It was fun to write, though. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Pat" wrote in message ... On May 8, 7:28 am, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: If I wasn't Mormon, I could also drink a beer, fart, smoke a cigarette, and pee on the skirting at the same time. Redneck heaven! Mormon's can't fart? That alone is a good reason not to be a Mormon ;-) I thought the Jews had it bad with circumcision, but not farting -- that's beyond the pale. That's got to cause you some pain. I bet you don't eat chili, either. |
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