I previously posted about re-wiring my doorbell so it would use electricity
only when the button was pressed. I also went through my house and placed
everything I could find which was "always on" on a switch or power strip.

I replaced power strips which had lights on them with power strips which
have no light. I wired switches to all GFCI outlets so I can turn them off
when not in use. I have a rooftop TV antenna amplifier which was "always on"
and I wired a switch to that.

I placed my entertainment center things on 4 individual power strips (no
lights) so I could turn on only what I was using. (Like just TV and DVD, or
playstation, or satellite TV - don't need to have on components which are
not being used.)

I placed several power strips on my computer stuff. So just computer on -
printer on separate power strip and off when not in use. Everything totally
off when not in use.

Placed outlet switches on HEPA air cleaners (have always on timers for
filter replacement).

Placed power strips (no power on light) on bedroom, garage small stereos.
Etc.

Anyway my electric bill is now $2.50 per month less and will be so for the
rest of my life. That's $30 a year or being as my electric bill is now under
$30 a month - one month of free electricity!

Bill wrote:
I previously posted about re-wiring my doorbell so it would use electricity
only when the button was pressed. I also went through my house and placed
everything I could find which was "always on" on a switch or power strip.

I replaced power strips which had lights on them with power strips which
have no light. I wired switches to all GFCI outlets so I can turn them off
when not in use. I have a rooftop TV antenna amplifier which was "always on"
and I wired a switch to that.

I placed my entertainment center things on 4 individual power strips (no
lights) so I could turn on only what I was using. (Like just TV and DVD, or
playstation, or satellite TV - don't need to have on components which are
not being used.)

I placed several power strips on my computer stuff. So just computer on -
printer on separate power strip and off when not in use. Everything totally
off when not in use.

Placed outlet switches on HEPA air cleaners (have always on timers for
filter replacement).

Placed power strips (no power on light) on bedroom, garage small stereos.
Etc.

Anyway my electric bill is now $2.50 per month less and will be so for the
rest of my life. That's $30 a year or being as my electric bill is now under
$30 a month - one month of free electricity!


Hi,
My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you
keep powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage. The
repair cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to save
electric energy my way would be using more efficient devices or minimize
the usage by careful planning ahead.

On Feb 15, 11:29�am, "Bill" wrote:
I previously posted about re-wiring my doorbell so it would use electricity
only when the button was pressed. I also went through my house and placed
everything I could find which was "always on" on a switch or power strip.

I replaced power strips which had lights on them with power strips which
have no light. I wired switches to all GFCI outlets so I can turn them off
when not in use. I have a rooftop TV antenna amplifier which was "always on"
and I wired a switch to that.

I placed my entertainment center things on 4 individual power strips (no
lights) so I could turn on only what I was using. (Like just TV and DVD, or
playstation, or satellite TV - don't need to have on components which are
not being used.)

I placed several power strips on my computer stuff. So just computer on -
printer on separate power strip and off when not in use. Everything totally
off when not in use.

Placed outlet switches on HEPA air cleaners (have always on timers for
filter replacement).

Placed power strips (no power on light) on bedroom, garage small stereos.
Etc.

Anyway my electric bill is now $2.50 per month less and will be so for the
rest of my life. That's $30 a year or being as my electric bill is now under
$30 a month - one month of free electricity!

congrats how much did you spend for all the power strips etc?

some devices may not like being powered off repeatedly like you are
doing

congress should legislate a power off control for people who desire to
save max energy, a added requirement for energy star

the satellite tv uses off hours to doiwnload guide updates, powered
off completely may get you a aging guide.

We use DVRs which arent compatible with no power. Ours record shows
all day and all nite long

Tony Hwang wrote:



Hi,
My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you
keep powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage. The
repair cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to save
electric energy my way would be using more efficient devices or
minimize the usage by careful planning ahead.


I'm envious. My last electric bill was 18.5 cents / KWhr.

"Bill" wrote in message
...
I previously posted about re-wiring my doorbell so it would use electricity
only when the button was pressed. I also went through my house and placed
everything I could find which was "always on" on a switch or power strip.

I replaced power strips which had lights on them with power strips which
have no light. I wired switches to all GFCI outlets so I can turn them off
when not in use. I have a rooftop TV antenna amplifier which was "always
on" and I wired a switch to that.

I placed my entertainment center things on 4 individual power strips (no
lights) so I could turn on only what I was using. (Like just TV and DVD,
or playstation, or satellite TV - don't need to have on components which
are not being used.)

I placed several power strips on my computer stuff. So just computer on -
printer on separate power strip and off when not in use. Everything
totally off when not in use.

Placed outlet switches on HEPA air cleaners (have always on timers for
filter replacement).

Placed power strips (no power on light) on bedroom, garage small stereos.
Etc.

Anyway my electric bill is now $2.50 per month less and will be so for the
rest of my life. That's $30 a year or being as my electric bill is now
under $30 a month - one month of free electricity!


You could also flush only every other time, grow your own veggies, only wash
the sheets and towels once a month and shut off your car engine at red
lights or when going down hill...

Bill wrote:

Anyway my electric bill is now $2.50 per month less and will be so
for the rest of my life. That's $30 a year or being as my electric
bill is now under $30 a month - one month of free electricity!

And how much did you say you spent on power strips, switches, wiring etc.?

On Feb 15, 1:36 pm, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:
"aemeijers" wrote:
Oh, please don't encourage the guy. Of course what he is doing is not time
or cost effective, but if it gives him the illusion of having some control
over his universe, so what?

It's no problem with the fellow in question, but often folks like that tend
to want to spread their "blessings" onto other people who have not become so
"enlightened", and often by force. That's when it no longer becomes cute
and quirky.

Jon

Plus, his reported savings are likely do to general cutbacks then
using power strips without the tiny neon light. It's like when people
go on a diet or start concentrating on auto mileage, they start making
more and more changes. When his house burns down from using a cheap
power strip or running wires on the floor, he won't be posting that
event here.

"Bill" wrote in message
...
I previously posted about re-wiring my doorbell so it would use electricity
only when the button was pressed. I also went through my house and placed
everything I could find which was "always on" on a switch or power strip.

I replaced power strips which had lights on them with power strips which
have no light. I wired switches to all GFCI outlets so I can turn them off
when not in use. I have a rooftop TV antenna amplifier which was "always
on" and I wired a switch to that.

I placed my entertainment center things on 4 individual power strips (no
lights) so I could turn on only what I was using. (Like just TV and DVD,
or playstation, or satellite TV - don't need to have on components which
are not being used.)

I placed several power strips on my computer stuff. So just computer on -
printer on separate power strip and off when not in use. Everything
totally off when not in use.

Placed outlet switches on HEPA air cleaners (have always on timers for
filter replacement).

Placed power strips (no power on light) on bedroom, garage small stereos.
Etc.

Anyway my electric bill is now $2.50 per month less and will be so for the
rest of my life. That's $30 a year or being as my electric bill is now
under $30 a month - one month of free electricity!



*What is the payback time for the expenses that were outlayed to do all this
switching and changes? If you spent $100.00 the payback would be in 40
months based on the $2.50 per month savings.

clams_casino wrote:
Tony Hwang wrote:



Hi,
My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you
keep powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage.
The repair cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to
save electric energy my way would be using more efficient devices or
minimize the usage by careful planning ahead.


I'm envious. My last electric bill was 18.5 cents / KWhr.

Connecticut?

.... Not all appliances can be turned off when not in use or cutting
them off is inconvenient. My (Panasonic) TV loses all the channels
and time of day during a power outage, then it takes several minutes
to reprogram. I would expect the microwave to keep the time of day,
but after a power outage it doesn't. Recently I have been using a
power strip to cut off power to a LAN switch and DSL modem--no issues
cutting off these though. More savings cutting these off when cooling
is needed. It's great to conserve, recycle and re-use, but there are
practical limitations.

My electric bill averages 90 bucks a month, so saving $2.50 a month
would be like peeing in the ocean, to me.

And, no - I'm not all-electric ... I have natural gas heating and
cooking appliances.

But I have seen a significant saving in my electric bill since I did a
major changeover from incandescent lighting, to Compact Fluorescent
Lights.

I didn't bother to change the light bulbs in closets, the outdoor shed,
and other places where the light isn't on for that long.

Here's a chart, showing an impressive reduction in electricity consumed
by using CFL's.

http://d21c.com/krnspn/MISC/TABLES/i...nt-vs-CFL.html

Joe

K wrote:

clams_casino wrote:


Tony Hwang wrote:





Hi,
My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you
keep powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage.
The repair cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to
save electric energy my way would be using more efficient devices or
minimize the usage by careful planning ahead.


I'm envious. My last electric bill was 18.5 cents / KWhr.



Connecticut?




RI

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:25:03 -0500, "Charlie Darwin"
wrote:

"Bill" wrote in message
...
I previously posted about re-wiring my doorbell so it would use electricity
only when the button was pressed. I also went through my house and placed
everything I could find which was "always on" on a switch or power strip.

I replaced power strips which had lights on them with power strips which
have no light. I wired switches to all GFCI outlets so I can turn them off
when not in use. I have a rooftop TV antenna amplifier which was "always
on" and I wired a switch to that.

I placed my entertainment center things on 4 individual power strips (no
lights) so I could turn on only what I was using. (Like just TV and DVD,
or playstation, or satellite TV - don't need to have on components which
are not being used.)

I placed several power strips on my computer stuff. So just computer on -
printer on separate power strip and off when not in use. Everything
totally off when not in use.

Placed outlet switches on HEPA air cleaners (have always on timers for
filter replacement).

Placed power strips (no power on light) on bedroom, garage small stereos.
Etc.

Anyway my electric bill is now $2.50 per month less and will be so for the
rest of my life. That's $30 a year or being as my electric bill is now
under $30 a month - one month of free electricity!


You could also flush only every other time, grow your own veggies, only wash
the sheets and towels once a month

Sheets and towels can be washed only when they're stinky.

and shut off your car engine at red
lights or when going down hill...

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:32:56 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

[snip]


Yeah, but it costs you an hour a day to reset all the blinking "12:00"
things.


Use electrical tape to solve that problem.

"J O E" wrote in message
...

My electric bill averages 90 bucks a month, so saving $2.50 a month
would be like peeing in the ocean, to me.

And, no - I'm not all-electric ... I have natural gas heating and
cooking appliances.


I'd like to have your bill instead of mine. Most months it is $125 but in
summer it can double that with AC.

On Feb 15, 7:35�pm, (J O E) wrote:
My electric bill averages 90 bucks a month, so saving $2.50 a month
would be like peeing in the ocean, to me.

And, no - I'm not all-electric ... I have natural gas heating and
cooking appliances.

But I have seen a significant saving in my electric bill since I did a
major changeover from incandescent lighting, to Compact Fluorescent
Lights.

I didn't bother to change the light bulbs in closets, the outdoor shed,
and other places where the light isn't on for that long.

Here's a chart, showing an impressive reduction in electricity consumed
by using CFL's.

http://d21c.com/krnspn/MISC/TABLES/i...nt-vs-CFL.html

Joe

yeah i replaced all my regular bulbs with CFs and power bill went
noticeably down even though. My wife complained about the CFs in the
bathroom so I converted back to regular lamps/

i couldnt find any dimmable CFs that fit the bathroom fixture, need
mini ones, but wife insisted dimmable couldnt find any of those

On Feb 15, 10:12�pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"J O E" wrote in ...



My electric bill averages 90 bucks a month, so saving $2.50 a month
would be like peeing in the ocean, to me.

And, no - I'm not all-electric ... I have natural gas heating and
cooking appliances.

I'd like to have your bill instead of mine. �Most months it is $125 but in
summer it can double that with AC.

I am going to check and may replace our tube TV with a LCD one if we
can save on power bill. the tube tv would get moved to a less used
location that tv is dying, not bad it must be 20 years old

"Bill" wrote in
:

I previously posted about re-wiring my doorbell so it would use
electricity only when the button was pressed. I also went through my
house and placed everything I could find which was "always on" on a
switch or power strip.

I replaced power strips which had lights on them with power strips
which have no light. I wired switches to all GFCI outlets so I can
turn them off when not in use. I have a rooftop TV antenna amplifier
which was "always on" and I wired a switch to that.

I placed my entertainment center things on 4 individual power strips
(no lights) so I could turn on only what I was using. (Like just TV
and DVD, or playstation, or satellite TV - don't need to have on
components which are not being used.)

I placed several power strips on my computer stuff. So just computer
on - printer on separate power strip and off when not in use.
Everything totally off when not in use.

Placed outlet switches on HEPA air cleaners (have always on timers for
filter replacement).

Placed power strips (no power on light) on bedroom, garage small
stereos. Etc.

Anyway my electric bill is now $2.50 per month less and will be so for
the rest of my life. That's $30 a year or being as my electric bill is
now under $30 a month - one month of free electricity!




You gotta be a troll or ****ing stupid beyond.

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
Bill wrote:

Hi,
My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you keep
powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage. The repair
cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to save electric
energy my way would be using more efficient devices or minimize the usage
by careful planning ahead.

What? Are you talking about the "surge" when you first power up something?

Could be.

$30/year for the convenience of having everything ready to go rather than
requiring the hunting down of power strips here and there isn't much.

Seems to me that the "standby" power performance is getting better. I say
than only because stuff in "standby" seems to be running cooler.

" wrote:

yeah i replaced all my regular bulbs with CFs and power bill went
noticeably down even though. My wife complained about the CFs in the
bathroom so I converted back to regular lamps/

What didn't she like? I discovered that they are starting to sell CFs with a
good interior color temp (2700k) and replaced about 12 60w lamps in the master
bath with 75w equivalents. Aside from the slight startup delay, it made a big
difference. More light, way less electric used. Sylvania sells a micro sized CF
now that actually fits completely inside the fixture.

i couldnt find any dimmable CFs that fit the bathroom fixture, need
mini ones, but wife insisted dimmable couldnt find any of those

Look at Lowes or HD. They do sell CF dimmables now, but they aren't cheap.

On Feb 16, 9:26�am, Robert Neville wrote:
" wrote:
yeah i replaced all my regular bulbs with CFs and power bill went
noticeably down even though. My wife complained about the CFs in the
bathroom so I converted back to regular lamps/

What didn't she like? I discovered that they are starting to sell CFs with a
good interior color temp (2700k) and replaced about 12 60w lamps in the master
bath with 75w equivalents. Aside from the slight startup delay, it made a big
difference. More light, way less electric used. Sylvania sells a micro sized CF
now that actually fits completely inside the fixture.

i couldnt find any dimmable CFs that fit the bathroom fixture, need
mini ones, but wife insisted dimmable couldnt find any of those

Look at Lowes or HD. They do sell CF dimmables now, but they aren't cheap..

around here they dont sell the SMALL CF dimables that fit the bath
light covers

There still are very few lamps and fixtures that take advantage of the small
flourescent "tubes". I see some recessed fixtures in commercial buildings
but "civilians" seem to be expected to screw in a CF.

That said, I use there where I can.

I wait with bated breath the arrival of "next generation" of LED lamps.

Present generation are just UV LEDS with flourescent compounds added.
Their base efficiency is about the same as flourescent technology. (As an
aside, high pressure Mercury and Sodium vapor lights are more efficent the
flourescent simply because the internal arc produces visible light.) To
could would be a mix of "pure" colors to produce a pleasing light.

The second problem is that "they" only use resistors to limit the current
the LED draws. The "electronics" of the ones I have see are some filter
caps, some diodes, and a current limiting resister.

But if "they" solve those problems, the LEDs will driving the CFs out of the
market within a year. Yeah, their potential is SO much better.

In , John Gilmer wrote:

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
Bill wrote:

Hi,
My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you keep
powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage. The repair
cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to save electric
energy my way would be using more efficient devices or minimize the usage
by careful planning ahead.

What? Are you talking about the "surge" when you first power up something?

Could be.

$30/year for the convenience of having everything ready to go rather than
requiring the hunting down of power strips here and there isn't much.

Seems to me that the "standby" power performance is getting better. I say
than only because stuff in "standby" seems to be running cooler.

First time I got a cell phone, maybe 8-9 years ago, the wallwart for
charging it was an iron core one. Since then I had cellphones with
switchmode charging wallwarts that ran cooler and probably consumed about
1 watt, possibly 1.5 watts less electricity apiece.
It appears to me that one major reason behind switchmode cell phone
chargers was that they can be made narrow enough to not block adjacent
outlets on a power strip.

- Don Klipstein )

In article , John Grabowski wrote:

"Bill" wrote in message
...
I previously posted about re-wiring my doorbell so it would use electricity
only when the button was pressed. I also went through my house and placed
everything I could find which was "always on" on a switch or power strip.

I replaced power strips which had lights on them with power strips which
have no light. I wired switches to all GFCI outlets so I can turn them off
when not in use. I have a rooftop TV antenna amplifier which was "always
on" and I wired a switch to that.

I placed my entertainment center things on 4 individual power strips (no
lights) so I could turn on only what I was using. (Like just TV and DVD,
or playstation, or satellite TV - don't need to have on components which
are not being used.)

I placed several power strips on my computer stuff. So just computer on -
printer on separate power strip and off when not in use. Everything
totally off when not in use.

Placed outlet switches on HEPA air cleaners (have always on timers for
filter replacement).

Placed power strips (no power on light) on bedroom, garage small stereos.
Etc.

Anyway my electric bill is now $2.50 per month less and will be so for the
rest of my life. That's $30 a year or being as my electric bill is now
under $30 a month - one month of free electricity!

*What is the payback time for the expenses that were outlayed to do all this
switching and changes? If you spent $100.00 the payback would be in 40
months based on the $2.50 per month savings.

How many mutual funds have done better than that from so much as the
1982 low to now?

- Don Klipstein )

(Don Klipstein) wrote in
:

In , John Gilmer
wrote:

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
Bill wrote:

Hi,
My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you
keep powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage.
The repair cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to
save electric energy my way would be using more efficient devices or
minimize the usage by careful planning ahead.

What? Are you talking about the "surge" when you first power up
something?

Could be.

$30/year for the convenience of having everything ready to go rather
than requiring the hunting down of power strips here and there isn't
much.

Seems to me that the "standby" power performance is getting better.
I say than only because stuff in "standby" seems to be running cooler.

First time I got a cell phone, maybe 8-9 years ago, the wallwart for
charging it was an iron core one. Since then I had cellphones with
switchmode charging wallwarts that ran cooler and probably consumed
about 1 watt, possibly 1.5 watts less electricity apiece.
It appears to me that one major reason behind switchmode cell phone
chargers was that they can be made narrow enough to not block adjacent
outlets on a power strip.

- Don Klipstein )


The first time I got a cell phone was also maybe 8-9 years ago. When the
contract ran out that was the end of that. Never had one since.

On Feb 15, 4:36*pm, wrote:
On Feb 15, 1:36 pm, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:

"aemeijers" wrote:
Oh, please don't encourage the guy. Of course what he is doing is not time
or cost effective, but if it gives him the illusion of having some control
over his universe, so what?

It's no problem with the fellow in question, but often folks like that tend
to want to spread their "blessings" onto other people who have not become so
"enlightened", and often by force. *That's when it no longer becomes cute
and quirky.

Jon

Plus, his reported savings are likely do to general cutbacks then
using power strips without the tiny neon light. It's like when people
go on a diet or start concentrating on auto mileage, they start making
more and more changes. When his house burns down from using a cheap
power strip or running wires on the floor, he won't be posting that
event here.


I'm surprised no one asked how he determined the $2.50 per month.
Unless he used a Kilowatt meter or similar on each device he was
turning off, it would be impossible to come up with an accurate
number just by looking at a couple months bills. Bills vary widely by
weather, different usage, etc.

I've been doing whatever I can think of to reduce my energy costs for the
last 7 years.

Every time I discuss various projects on the internet, someone has told me
it is a bad return on my money...

Looking at the stock market, I am quite pleased that this is where I have
invested my money (on a lower cost of living).

I have a friend who went the other route and received a "high return on his
investment" as advised by these people. At last count he has lost 100K on
his retirement account.

So where should I invest my money instead of spending it on reducing my
energy costs?

On Feb 16, 8:51 pm, (Don Klipstein) wrote:
In , John Gilmer wrote:









"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
Bill wrote:

Hi,
My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you keep
powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage. The repair
cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to save electric
energy my way would be using more efficient devices or minimize the usage
by careful planning ahead.

What? Are you talking about the "surge" when you first power up something?

Could be.

$30/year for the convenience of having everything ready to go rather than
requiring the hunting down of power strips here and there isn't much.

Seems to me that the "standby" power performance is getting better. I say
than only because stuff in "standby" seems to be running cooler.

First time I got a cell phone, maybe 8-9 years ago, the wallwart for
charging it was an iron core one. Since then I had cellphones with
switchmode charging wallwarts that ran cooler and probably consumed about
1 watt, possibly 1.5 watts less electricity apiece.
It appears to me that one major reason behind switchmode cell phone
chargers was that they can be made narrow enough to not block adjacent
outlets on a power strip.

- Don Klipstein )

I have many of those larger transformers for things too. I made a
bunch of short cords from old discarded devices to use as extensions
to the outlet. In some cases, I soldered the wires directly to the
plugs of the transformer and insulated them well for safety. I don't
care about ever plugging those devices directly anyway so the
modification is a permanent fix.

wrote:

I'm surprised no one asked how he determined the $2.50 per month.
Unless he used a Kilowatt meter or similar on each device he was
turning off, it would be impossible to come up with an accurate
number just by looking at a couple months bills. Bills vary widely by
weather, different usage, etc.

The average rate for residential power in the United States is just
under 11.9 cents per kilowatt hour.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5_6_a.html

At that rate, $2.50 works out to about 29 watts per hour for an average
(730 hour) month. That's a plausible total for all the devices that run
in standby mode in the typical modern house. (As has been noted
elsewhere, some of those devices -- wireless telephones and devices that
use clocks, for example -- aren't very useful if they're powered down
completely.)

Replacing lighted power strips is probably a false economy, especially
if those strips (and their lights) are kept powered off most of the
time. The small neon lights in power strips consume less than half a
watt, which would mean more than seven years of continuous use just to
get back the typical $4 cost of a new strip.

On Feb 16, 9:26�am, Robert Neville wrote:
" wrote:
yeah i replaced all my regular bulbs with CFs and power bill went
noticeably down even though. My wife complained about the CFs in the
bathroom so I converted back to regular lamps/

What didn't she like? I discovered that they are starting to sell CFs with a
good interior color temp (2700k) and replaced about 12 60w lamps in the master
bath with 75w equivalents. Aside from the slight startup delay, it made a big
difference. More light, way less electric used. Sylvania sells a micro sized CF
now that actually fits completely inside the fixture.

i couldnt find any dimmable CFs that fit the bathroom fixture, need
mini ones, but wife insisted dimmable couldnt find any of those

Look at Lowes or HD. They do sell CF dimmables now, but they aren't cheap..

last june they had no mini CF that were dimable.

my wife absolutely wanted dimable ones.

I may try again but they must be white light too

On Feb 17, 12:37�pm, wrote:
On Feb 16, 8:51 pm, (Don Klipstein) wrote:





In , John Gilmer wrote:

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...
Bill wrote:

Hi,
My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you keep
powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage. The repair
cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to save electric
energy my way would be using more efficient devices or minimize the usage
by careful planning ahead.

What? � Are you talking about the "surge" when you first power up something?

Could be.

$30/year for the convenience of having everything ready to go rather than
requiring the hunting down of power strips here and there isn't much.

Seems to me that the "standby" power performance is getting better. � I say
than only because stuff in "standby" seems to be running cooler.

� First time I got a cell phone, maybe 8-9 years ago, the wallwart for
charging it was an iron core one. �Since then I had cellphones with
switchmode charging wallwarts that ran cooler and probably consumed about
1 watt, possibly 1.5 watts less electricity apiece.
� It appears to me that one major reason behind switchmode cell phone
chargers was that they can be made narrow enough to not block adjacent
outlets on a power strip.

�- Don Klipstein )

I have many of those larger transformers for things too. I made a
bunch of �short cords from old discarded devices to use as extensions
to the outlet. In some cases, I soldered the wires directly to the
plugs of the transformer and �insulated them well for safety. I don't
care about ever plugging those devices directly anyway so the
modification is a permanent fix.- Hide quoted text -

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I bought the cheap home depot extension cords, made for lighting but
fine for transformers, cut off all but a foot of cord, left the
receptable and installed a new plug.

they are two prong but accomodate 3 things. decluttered the wiring
mess a lot

wrote:
On Feb 17, 12:37�pm, wrote:
On Feb 16, 8:51 pm, (Don Klipstein) wrote:





In , John Gilmer wrote:
"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
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Bill wrote:
Hi,
My electricity costs 7 cents per KWh locked for 5 years. What if you keep
powering up/down multiple devices and a surge cause a damage. The repair
cost may far exceed the 2.00 per month. If I wanted to save electric
energy my way would be using more efficient devices or minimize the usage
by careful planning ahead.
What? � Are you talking about the "surge" when you first power up something?
Could be.
$30/year for the convenience of having everything ready to go rather than
requiring the hunting down of power strips here and there isn't much.
Seems to me that the "standby" power performance is getting better. � I say
than only because stuff in "standby" seems to be running cooler.
� First time I got a cell phone, maybe 8-9 years ago, the wallwart for
charging it was an iron core one. �Since then I had cellphones with
switchmode charging wallwarts that ran cooler and probably consumed about
1 watt, possibly 1.5 watts less electricity apiece.
� It appears to me that one major reason behind switchmode cell phone
chargers was that they can be made narrow enough to not block adjacent
outlets on a power strip.
�- Don Klipstein )
I have many of those larger transformers for things too. I made a
bunch of �short cords from old discarded devices to use as extensions
to the outlet. In some cases, I soldered the wires directly to the
plugs of the transformer and �insulated them well for safety. I don't
care about ever plugging those devices directly anyway so the
modification is a permanent fix.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I bought the cheap home depot extension cords, made for lighting but
fine for transformers, cut off all but a foot of cord, left the
receptable and installed a new plug.

they are two prong but accomodate 3 things. decluttered the wiring
mess a lot
A couple of my plug strips have the outlets at 90 degrees, spaced far
enough apart that you can put a wall wart at each position. Looks like a
bunch of little pigs at a trough, tails hanging out.

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