I need some advice with a gas water heater install. the old water
heater is 28years old. I've done weeks of research on how to install
it. the only problem I have is the gas valve next to the water heater
has bolt going through it. the top of the valve looks like a old valve
(1978 house was built) it has a big head on it for a wrench with a nut
on the bottom side of it.

I want to replace it but I'm not looking forward to turning all the
gas off in the house. any one recommend any problems I may run into if
I cut off all the gas into the house. I read up on these forums about
failure for the gas to cut back on afte its been turned off.

I have a new pilot-free furnace so no worries there. gas heater is
only other gas appliance.

thanks inadvance.

home depot wants 400. for a water heater install
and I called a local plumber company and they want 500.00 for the
install.

I don't have this much to pay. I want to do the work myself.

flir67 wrote in news:590f993e-9889-4a6e-9977-
:

I need some advice with a gas water heater install. the old water
heater is 28years old. I've done weeks of research on how to install
it. the only problem I have is the gas valve next to the water heater
has bolt going through it. the top of the valve looks like a old valve
(1978 house was built) it has a big head on it for a wrench with a nut
on the bottom side of it.

I want to replace it but I'm not looking forward to turning all the
gas off in the house. any one recommend any problems I may run into if
I cut off all the gas into the house. I read up on these forums about
failure for the gas to cut back on afte its been turned off.

I have a new pilot-free furnace so no worries there. gas heater is
only other gas appliance.

thanks inadvance.

home depot wants 400. for a water heater install
and I called a local plumber company and they want 500.00 for the
install.

I don't have this much to pay. I want to do the work myself.







Call the gas compay for an estimate as well. Least likely to rip you off
and you know it's done right.

Do you have a water heater yet? If not, may find a decent used one on
craigslist.org

On Feb 11, 12:39*am, Red Green wrote:
flir67 wrote in news:590f993e-9889-4a6e-9977-
:



I need some advice with a gas water heater install. the old water
heater is 28years old. I've done weeks of research on how to install
it. the only problem I have is the gas valve next to the water heater
has bolt going through it. the top of the valve looks like a old valve
(1978 house was built) it has a big head on it for a wrench with a nut
on the bottom side of it.

I want to replace it but I'm not looking forward to turning all the
gas off in the house. any one recommend any problems I may run into if
I cut off all the gas into the house. I read up on these forums about
failure for the gas to cut back on *afte its been turned off.

I have a new pilot-free furnace so no worries there. gas heater is
only other gas appliance.

thanks inadvance.

home depot wants 400. for a water heater install
and I called a local plumber company and they want 500.00 for the
install.

I don't have this much to pay. I want to do the work myself.

Call the gas compay for an estimate as well. Least likely to rip you off
and you know it's done right.

Do you have a water heater yet? If not, may find a decent used one on
craigslist.org

yeap I already have the water heater, saved up for it. will call gas
company and see how much they will charge or one of their contacts.

On Feb 10, 10:38�pm, flir67 wrote:
I need some advice with a gas water heater install. the old water
heater is 28years old. I've done weeks of research on how to install
it. the only problem I have is the gas valve next to the water heater
has bolt going through it. the top of the valve looks like a old valve
(1978 house was built) it has a big head on it for a wrench with a nut
on the bottom side of it.

I want to replace it but I'm not looking forward to turning all the
gas off in the house. any one recommend any problems I may run into if
I cut off all the gas into the house. I read up on these forums about
failure for the gas to cut back on �afte its been turned off.

I have a new pilot-free furnace so no worries there. gas heater is
only other gas appliance.

thanks inadvance.

home depot wants 400. for a water heater install
and I called a local plumber company and they want 500.00 for the
install.

I don't have this much to pay. I want to do the work myself.

before getting the gas company involved try turning the shut off
valve, might try lubricating it days before.

turning off all the gas is a non event.

just do the tank replacement early in morning, on a day stores are
open.

like dont begin at 9pm saturday nite with houseguests coming in the
morning.

ideally wait till spring so no gas for a day or two isnt a freezing
your butt off in house.

but a minor life experience.

if you have a friendly neighbor you could run a pex line between homes
to backfeed their hot water to your home for a day or so.

have friends who did that

flir67 wrote:
I need some advice with a gas water heater install. the old water
heater is 28years old. I've done weeks of research on how to install
it. the only problem I have is the gas valve next to the water heater
has bolt going through it. the top of the valve looks like a old valve
(1978 house was built) it has a big head on it for a wrench with a nut
on the bottom side of it.

I want to replace it but I'm not looking forward to turning all the
gas off in the house. any one recommend any problems I may run into if
I cut off all the gas into the house. I read up on these forums about
failure for the gas to cut back on afte its been turned off.


You didn't read HERE that turning off the gas supply would create problems.
There are no known difficulties to be expected in so doing.

Even if, by some once-in-a-lifetime happenstance, there was a problem in
turning the gas back on, the gas company would fix the problem within the
hour.

And as long as you have the gas off, put a usable valve on the water
heater's supply.

On Feb 11, 8:44*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
flir67 wrote:
I need some advice with a gas water heater install. the old water
heater is 28years old. I've done weeks of research on how to install
it. the only problem I have is the gas valve next to the water heater
has bolt going through it. the top of the valve looks like a old valve
(1978 house was built) it has a big head on it for a wrench with a nut
on the bottom side of it.

I want to replace it but I'm not looking forward to turning all the
gas off in the house. any one recommend any problems I may run into if
I cut off all the gas into the house. I read up on these forums about
failure for the gas to cut back on *afte its been turned off.

You didn't read HERE that turning off the gas supply would create problems.
There are no known difficulties to be expected in so doing.

Even if, by some once-in-a-lifetime happenstance, there was a problem in
turning the gas back on, the gas company would fix the problem within the
hour.

And as long as you have the gas off, put a usable valve on the water
heater's supply.


Agree. The only possible issue is if you open one of the long major
lines and let it fill with air, that has to be allowed to bleed out
before you can get whatever is at the end of the line lit. Usually
that isn't a problem with replacing a water heater on the end of the
line. As suggested, after shutting off all the gas, I would replace
the valve at the water heater and do that right after disconnecting it
to minimze the amount of air that gets into the line.

With a pilot free furnace and the WH being the only other
gas appliance, you have nothing to worry about. Shut the gas
off, make the needed repairs. Replace the gas shut off to
the WH, one of the new ones.

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"flir67" wrote in message
...
I need some advice with a gas water heater install. the old
water
heater is 28years old. I've done weeks of research on how to
install
it. the only problem I have is the gas valve next to the
water heater
has bolt going through it. the top of the valve looks like a
old valve
(1978 house was built) it has a big head on it for a wrench
with a nut
on the bottom side of it.

I want to replace it but I'm not looking forward to turning
all the
gas off in the house. any one recommend any problems I may
run into if
I cut off all the gas into the house. I read up on these
forums about
failure for the gas to cut back on afte its been turned
off.

I have a new pilot-free furnace so no worries there. gas
heater is
only other gas appliance.

thanks inadvance.

home depot wants 400. for a water heater install
and I called a local plumber company and they want 500.00
for the
install.

I don't have this much to pay. I want to do the work myself.

"flir67" wrote in message
...
I need some advice with a gas water heater install. the old water
heater is 28years old. I've done weeks of research on how to install
it. the only problem I have is the gas valve next to the water heater
has bolt going through it. the top of the valve looks like a old valve
(1978 house was built) it has a big head on it for a wrench with a nut
on the bottom side of it.

I want to replace it but I'm not looking forward to turning all the
gas off in the house. any one recommend any problems I may run into if
I cut off all the gas into the house. I read up on these forums about
failure for the gas to cut back on afte its been turned off.

I have a new pilot-free furnace so no worries there. gas heater is
only other gas appliance.

thanks inadvance.

home depot wants 400. for a water heater install
and I called a local plumber company and they want 500.00 for the
install.

I don't have this much to pay. I want to do the work myself.


*Why do you want to replace the valve next to the water heater?

On Feb 11, 8:52*am, "John Grabowski" wrote:

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*Why do you want to replace the valve next to the water heater?

A very good question. Leave it in place for now to save $$, but
consider replacement if there is a code compliance issue or if you
want the convenience a few years from now when the next WH replacement
is necessary. Your call.

Joe

It's definately a good idea to relace the gas valve with the newer
style ball valve (they're less than $10). The old valve like you have
is known as a GREASE PACK valve. It uses a special grease to lubricate
and make the final seal between the two ground brass pieces. Over time
the grease dries out and can leak.

Please ignore the advise you got to lubricate the valve. You should
NEVER oil a gas valve. It dissolves the grease and make it leak even
more. If it's hard to turn, that's proof that it needs to be replaced.

As far as problems turning off the gas at the meter and turning it
back on again, you run into the same problem since most older gas
company valves are also GREASE PACK. However, if you have a small leak
when you turn it on, the gas company will fix it for free since it's
on their side of the meter.

They loosen the nut, remove a plug and install a grease injector. Then
they crank the grease injector to push the old grease out while they
rotate the valve several times to work it in. Remove the injector,
tighten the nut, install the plug and it's like new.

flir67 wrote in
:

On Feb 11, 12:39*am, Red Green wrote:
flir67 wrote in news:590f993e-9889-4a6e-9977-
:



I need some advice with a gas water heater install. the old water
heater is 28years old. I've done weeks of research on how to
install it. the only problem I have is the gas valve next to the
water heater has bolt going through it. the top of the valve looks
like a old valve (1978 house was built) it has a big head on it for
a wrench with a nut on the bottom side of it.

I want to replace it but I'm not looking forward to turning all the
gas off in the house. any one recommend any problems I may run into
if I cut off all the gas into the house. I read up on these forums
about failure for the gas to cut back on *afte its been turned off.

I have a new pilot-free furnace so no worries there. gas heater is
only other gas appliance.

thanks inadvance.

home depot wants 400. for a water heater install
and I called a local plumber company and they want 500.00 for the
install.

I don't have this much to pay. I want to do the work myself.

Call the gas compay for an estimate as well. Least likely to rip you
off and you know it's done right.

Do you have a water heater yet? If not, may find a decent used one on
craigslist.org

yeap I already have the water heater, saved up for it. will call gas
company and see how much they will charge or one of their contacts.


By coincidence, neighbors had a garage full of water this morning. Gas
water heater. I am in NC as well so I'm guessing your gas company is
Piedmont. I called for them just to look at options. They came out and
said about $1100!!! He said the reason for that is that they use a high
end heater that can be installed on the floor. Said code if in garage is
that it has to have this special type of flame thingy if it's on the
floor. Protects against pilot igniting vapors or spills of flammables.
Adds a couple of hundred to a heater cost.

Alternative option is the heater has to be installed 18" off the floor.

Said they went to Lowes and they wanted like 450 for a 40gal. They ended
up getting one cheap that someone bought, hooked up then had to take it
out because the person had propane vs NG. Lowes did have a galvanized
metal table specifically for raising water heaters.

Piedmont will install a water heater that you have already. They charge
$70/hr they said and I think they may just sub-k it to a plumber. You'll
still need the table to raise it as well.

Didn't really want to get sucked into it being in the middle of
rebuilding a deck that is half salvagable but they are reall good ****s.
Got all the crap needed to install the heater and did it. In the 70's
today. Good day to do it. Didn't start until 5pm when the heater
arrived. Just what you want to do after working on deck all day.

On Feb 11, 8:41*am, " wrote:
On Feb 10, 10:38 wrote:



I need some advice with a gas water heater install. the old water
heater is 28years old. I've done weeks of research on how to install
it. the only problem I have is the gas valve next to the water heater
has bolt going through it. the top of the valve looks like a old valve
(1978 house was built) it has a big head on it for a wrench with a nut
on the bottom side of it.

I want to replace it but I'm not looking forward to turning all the
gas off in the house. any one recommend any problems I may run into if
I cut off all the gas into the house. I read up on these forums about
failure for the gas to cut back on afte its been turned off.

I have a new pilot-free furnace so no worries there. gas heater is
only other gas appliance.

thanks inadvance.

home depot wants 400. for a water heater install
and I called a local plumber company and they want 500.00 for the
install.

I don't have this much to pay. I want to do the work myself.

before getting the gas company involved try turning the shut off
valve, might try lubricating it days before.

turning off all the gas is a non event.

just do the tank replacement early in morning, on a day stores are
open.

like dont begin at 9pm saturday nite with houseguests coming in the
morning.

ideally wait till spring so no gas for a day or two isnt a freezing
your butt off in house.

but a minor life experience.

if you have a friendly neighbor you could run a pex line between homes
to backfeed their hot water to your home for a day or so.

have friends who did that


lubrication the gas ball joint with what? wd40, liquid wrench, I don't
want to errode the ball joint or use something I'm not suppose too.

thanks for all the supportive responsives,