Hi, I have a question for you paint experts. We have a 2 year old
house and we needed to repaint the kitchen ceiling due to a very minor
water damage. (that's not the issue) What a nightmare ! 3 coats
later and we can see all the roller streaks in the ceiling throughout
the kitchen during daylight hours. It looks like a horrible job. We
are using Betonel Cloud white paint, which is pretty standard and we
are painting directly on the old surface which was the same thing
originally.
Does anyone know why all the roller marks would show up on the ceiling
during daylight hours ?
Is there a special roller to use when painting a ceiling ? We are
using a 12mm roller. We have no clue what's causing this to
happen. We thought maybe a lack of paint on the roller but we tried
soaking it good before the 3rd coat, and still were seeing many
streaks.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

"car crash" wrote in message
...
Hi, I have a question for you paint experts. We have a 2 year old
house and we needed to repaint the kitchen ceiling due to a very minor
water damage. (that's not the issue) What a nightmare ! 3 coats
later and we can see all the roller streaks in the ceiling throughout
the kitchen during daylight hours. It looks like a horrible job. We
are using Betonel Cloud white paint, which is pretty standard and we
are painting directly on the old surface which was the same thing
originally.
Does anyone know why all the roller marks would show up on the ceiling
during daylight hours ?
Is there a special roller to use when painting a ceiling ? We are
using a 12mm roller. We have no clue what's causing this to
happen. We thought maybe a lack of paint on the roller but we tried
soaking it good before the 3rd coat, and still were seeing many
streaks.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

There could be a few reasons for the streaks.

1. Lack of spreading the paint evenly.
2. Cheap roller covers.
3. Not a thick enough nap for the roller covers
4. Lack of primer
5. Type of paint.

and maybe more things I can't think of which others may.

1. You need to make sure you evenly spread the paint as you're rolling on a
surface. Think of "feathering" with each roll and overlap each section you
roll going along the surface.
2. Cheap rollers don't absorb the paint very well or have poor nap which can
leave streaks from the edges.
3. A thin nap can also leave streak since you're not applying enough paint
on the surface.
4 & 5 speak for themselves.

Also, are you using a flat sheen? The sheen for ceilings should be flat.
Using a gloss, semi-gloss or anything shinier than a flat will display more
of the imperfections from the application. Especially with the light that
shines on to it.

Hope some of this helps.

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:45:27 -0800 (PST), car crash
wrote:

Hi, I have a question for you paint experts. We have a 2 year old
house and we needed to repaint the kitchen ceiling due to a very minor
water damage. (that's not the issue) What a nightmare ! 3 coats
later and we can see all the roller streaks in the ceiling throughout
the kitchen during daylight hours. It looks like a horrible job. We
are using Betonel Cloud white paint, which is pretty standard and we
are painting directly on the old surface which was the same thing
originally.
Does anyone know why all the roller marks would show up on the ceiling
during daylight hours ?
Is there a special roller to use when painting a ceiling ? We are
using a 12mm roller. We have no clue what's causing this to
happen. We thought maybe a lack of paint on the roller but we tried
soaking it good before the 3rd coat, and still were seeing many
streaks.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.


Most ceilings are rough and require a thick nap. The thicker nap will
hold more paint but you also need to lay the paint on slower to avoid
splattering.

"car crash" wrote in message
...
Hi, I have a question for you paint experts. We have a 2 year old
house and we needed to repaint the kitchen ceiling due to a very minor
water damage. (that's not the issue) What a nightmare ! 3 coats
later and we can see all the roller streaks in the ceiling throughout
the kitchen during daylight hours. It looks like a horrible job. We
are using Betonel Cloud white paint, which is pretty standard and we
are painting directly on the old surface which was the same thing
originally.
Does anyone know why all the roller marks would show up on the ceiling
during daylight hours ?
Is there a special roller to use when painting a ceiling ? We are
using a 12mm roller. We have no clue what's causing this to
happen. We thought maybe a lack of paint on the roller but we tried
soaking it good before the 3rd coat, and still were seeing many
streaks.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.



I always overlap my strokes when using a roller. The end that is attached
to the handle is the leading edge and the other end is the trailing edge and
that's the one you want to overlap as there is less pressure on that end.
Aside from that, from where I sit, it's sounds like perhaps it's not very
good quality paint or was not mixed well enough.

car crash wrote:

Hi, I have a question for you paint experts. We have a 2 year old
house and we needed to repaint the kitchen ceiling due to a very minor
water damage. (that's not the issue) What a nightmare ! 3 coats
later and we can see all the roller streaks in the ceiling throughout
the kitchen during daylight hours. It looks like a horrible job. We
are using Betonel Cloud white paint, which is pretty standard and we
are painting directly on the old surface which was the same thing
originally.
Does anyone know why all the roller marks would show up on the ceiling
during daylight hours ?
Is there a special roller to use when painting a ceiling ? We are
using a 12mm roller. We have no clue what's causing this to
happen. We thought maybe a lack of paint on the roller but we tried
soaking it good before the 3rd coat, and still were seeing many
streaks.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.




Are you saying the old paint is the same type and brand, or just
"white"? 12mm? That translates
to about 1/2", which is too long nap for a smoothe
wall or ceiling. Should use 1/4". You probably have gotten some
semi-permanent ridges of
paint on your ceiling, unless you sand them down prior to the next
painting. I'm not familiar
with your paint .. is it water base, semi-gloss?

If you want to get rid of the ridges, they should probably be sanded.
Rolling paint is my least
favorite paint task, as in the wrong kind of light it is difficult to be
free of all roller marks. Have
to make sure the roller isn't loaded too much by rolling off on the
pan. Much better to go two
thin coats and risk not covering entirely the first. If you are going
to sand, it might be a good idea
to put on a coat of primer so you know paint isn't soaking into the ceiling.

Airless sprayer and plastic sheeting for masking the walls. Is it textured
or smooth?

s


--
All you scholars who think bush messed up..... You ain't seen nothin' yet!
Just wait. You'll be cryin' for mercy after a while with Bro Bama





"car crash" wrote in message
...
Hi, I have a question for you paint experts. We have a 2 year old
house and we needed to repaint the kitchen ceiling due to a very minor
water damage. (that's not the issue) What a nightmare ! 3 coats
later and we can see all the roller streaks in the ceiling throughout
the kitchen during daylight hours. It looks like a horrible job. We
are using Betonel Cloud white paint, which is pretty standard and we
are painting directly on the old surface which was the same thing
originally.
Does anyone know why all the roller marks would show up on the ceiling
during daylight hours ?
Is there a special roller to use when painting a ceiling ? We are
using a 12mm roller. We have no clue what's causing this to
happen. We thought maybe a lack of paint on the roller but we tried
soaking it good before the 3rd coat, and still were seeing many
streaks.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

car crash wrote:
Hi, I have a question for you paint experts. We have a 2 year old
house and we needed to repaint the kitchen ceiling due to a very minor
water damage. (that's not the issue) What a nightmare ! 3 coats
later and we can see all the roller streaks in the ceiling throughout
the kitchen during daylight hours. It looks like a horrible job. We
are using Betonel Cloud white paint, which is pretty standard and we
are painting directly on the old surface which was the same thing
originally.
Does anyone know why all the roller marks would show up on the ceiling
during daylight hours ?
Is there a special roller to use when painting a ceiling ? We are
using a 12mm roller. We have no clue what's causing this to
happen. We thought maybe a lack of paint on the roller but we tried
soaking it good before the 3rd coat, and still were seeing many
streaks.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.


Sounds like low quality paint to me. Cheap stuff has less pigment and
lower hiding power. Often extra coats show no improvement.

Also sometimes with water damage you need a sealer otherwise stain can
bleed through new paint.

Had that problem. My wife liked the white color of Behr paint at Home Depot,
so I used it in the kitchen. Could NOT get the roller marks out, made it
acceptable, but not perfect after 4 coats and swore never the use that paint
again.

A year later I painted my son's bedroom with the top grade of Moore's paint,
and it looks great, with 2 coats.

Sometimes it is the paint. An old saying is "there is no such thing as
cheap paint that is good, but there can be a good paint that is cheap". I'll
let you figure it out.

"car crash" wrote in message
...
Hi, I have a question for you paint experts. We have a 2 year old
house and we needed to repaint the kitchen ceiling due to a very minor
water damage. (that's not the issue) What a nightmare ! 3 coats
later and we can see all the roller streaks in the ceiling throughout
the kitchen during daylight hours. It looks like a horrible job. We
are using Betonel Cloud white paint, which is pretty standard and we
are painting directly on the old surface which was the same thing
originally.
Does anyone know why all the roller marks would show up on the ceiling
during daylight hours ?
Is there a special roller to use when painting a ceiling ? We are
using a 12mm roller. We have no clue what's causing this to
happen. We thought maybe a lack of paint on the roller but we tried
soaking it good before the 3rd coat, and still were seeing many
streaks.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

"benick" wrote in message
. ..
Then apply 2 coats of Ben Moore or Sherwin Williams(or similar NAME brand)
FLAT WHITE CEILING PAINT using a GOOD quality roller cover paying close
attention to the aerea where the light hits it...Try to keep a "wet edge"
and work quickly.. Good luck...


NO NO NO!!! All painted surfaces in kitchens and bathroom should be
semi-gloss or high-gloss. Flat paint on a kitchen ceiling will soak up any
grease or smoke and will be uncleanable. Yuck.

"h" wrote in message
...

"benick" wrote in message
. ..
Then apply 2 coats of Ben Moore or Sherwin Williams(or similar NAME brand)
FLAT WHITE CEILING PAINT using a GOOD quality roller cover paying close
attention to the aerea where the light hits it...Try to keep a "wet edge"
and work quickly.. Good luck...


NO NO NO!!! All painted surfaces in kitchens and bathroom should be
semi-gloss or high-gloss. Flat paint on a kitchen ceiling will soak up any
grease or smoke and will be uncleanable. Yuck.


Jesh , what do you have , 5 foot ceilings..you might want to install a
VENTED range hood...Does everyone in your house know supper is ready because
the smoke detector goes off...LOL...Reminds me of SWMBO's cooking many years
ago when we first married...LOL...

"car crash" wrote

water damage. (that's not the issue) What a nightmare ! 3 coats
later and we can see all the roller streaks in the ceiling throughout
the kitchen during daylight hours. It looks like a horrible job. We

Smile, Live and learn! You got lots of good advice here. Now to fix it,
sand lightly where the streaks show (lightly, dont rub off the drywall
paper!) then prime.

I'd also upscale the paint type. The one you used is prone to blotching.
Benjamin Moore is a decent one that will cover better. 2 thin coats work
much better than 1 thick coat which is probably where the problem started.

Oh, on flat vs semi-gloss, I prefer a semi-gloss washable for a kitchen.
You wont have to repaint so often and hood or no, some grease will travel in
the air over time.

h wrote:
"benick" wrote in message
. ..
Then apply 2 coats of Ben Moore or Sherwin Williams(or similar NAME
brand) FLAT WHITE CEILING PAINT using a GOOD quality roller cover
paying close attention to the aerea where the light hits it...Try
to
keep a "wet edge" and work quickly.. Good luck...


NO NO NO!!! All painted surfaces in kitchens and bathroom should be
semi-gloss or high-gloss. Flat paint on a kitchen ceiling will soak
up any grease or smoke and will be uncleanable. Yuck.

The finish doesn't have much effect on cleanability, it's the
formulation of the paint that matters.

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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

When "h" wrote:
All painted surfaces in kitchens and bathroom should be
semi-gloss or high-gloss. Flat paint on a kitchen ceiling will soak up any
grease or smoke and will be uncleanable. Yuck.

"benick" responded:
Jesh , what do you have , 5 foot ceilings..you might want to install a
VENTED range hood...Does everyone in your house know supper is ready because
the smoke detector goes off...LOL...Reminds me of SWMBO's cooking many years
ago when we first married...LOL...

Basic physics, partner: no matter how high your ceiling, a certain
amount of your cooking effort aerosolizes - particularly boiling
liquids and oils in fry/sautee pans - and gets on every surface in the
kitchen, not just nearby surfaces. A semi-gloss paint is not
necessary; eggshell or satin finish will do nicely, too. But you want
an easily scrubbable or cleanable surface.

Whether you want to go to the extra expense for a kitchen/bath paint
which allegedly contains anti-mildewing ingredients for the two places
in the house that get the most humid...well, that's up to you.

But no flat in the kitchen, please. Or the bath - that stuff will just
stain, slough and slide like crazy (says the guy who's dealing with
the after-effects of the previous owners hiring drunken chimpanzees to
paint the house).

I have recently painted ceilings throughout my house and don't have the
problem you encountered. I start with Zinsser's 1-2-3 Bullseye water-based
flat primer, the cover with two coats of a high quality ceiling latex where
I need flat paint -- and latex semi-gloss in the bathrooms and kitchen.


"car crash" wrote in message
...
Hi, I have a question for you paint experts. We have a 2 year old
house and we needed to repaint the kitchen ceiling due to a very minor
water damage. (that's not the issue) What a nightmare ! 3 coats
later and we can see all the roller streaks in the ceiling throughout
the kitchen during daylight hours. It looks like a horrible job. We
are using Betonel Cloud white paint, which is pretty standard and we
are painting directly on the old surface which was the same thing
originally.
Does anyone know why all the roller marks would show up on the ceiling
during daylight hours ?
Is there a special roller to use when painting a ceiling ? We are
using a 12mm roller. We have no clue what's causing this to
happen. We thought maybe a lack of paint on the roller but we tried
soaking it good before the 3rd coat, and still were seeing many
streaks.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

I agree that semi-gloss is best for kitchens and baths -- costs a bit more,
but just as easy to put on, and easily cleaned. We wash ours once a year.

"benick" wrote in message
. ..

"h" wrote in message
...

"benick" wrote in message
. ..
Then apply 2 coats of Ben Moore or Sherwin Williams(or similar NAME
brand) FLAT WHITE CEILING PAINT using a GOOD quality roller cover paying
close attention to the aerea where the light hits it...Try to keep a "wet
edge" and work quickly.. Good luck...


NO NO NO!!! All painted surfaces in kitchens and bathroom should be
semi-gloss or high-gloss. Flat paint on a kitchen ceiling will soak up
any grease or smoke and will be uncleanable. Yuck.


Jesh , what do you have , 5 foot ceilings..you might want to install a
VENTED range hood...Does everyone in your house know supper is ready
because the smoke detector goes off...LOL...Reminds me of SWMBO's cooking
many years ago when we first married...LOL...

On Jan 17, 4:45*pm, car crash wrote:
[snip]
we needed to repaint the kitchen ceiling...
...3 coatslater and we can see all the roller streaks in
the ceiling throughout the kitchen...
...Does anyone know why all the roller marks would show
up on the ceiling during daylight hours ?

Having not actually watched you paint, I can only guess, but it sounds
like you put the initial coat on too thick, and any coats you put on
top will do nothing to knock down the original ridges. As others have
already said, you're going to have to sand out the ridges and repaint.

Don't skimp on the roller covers - yeah, you might not get more than a
few uses out of one before it starts to shed fibers, but it's still
worth the peace of mind and lack of frustration to shell out a few
extra dollars and maybe if you take care of them (and don't use tomato-
soup red or tuscan orange - trust me) they'll last you for a while.

And don't buy that line o' crap on those roller covers treated with
Teflon. They don't clean any easier than "regular" rollers and they do
seem to shed fibers faster. Don't just randomly choose a package at
the Big Box Store, but go to a genuine paint store and ask what they'd
recommend as far as quality, lasting rollers.

One thing no one has mentioned yet, but I've found helpful, is not to
roll in one direction, but change it up - up and down, left and right,
at a 36.2 degree angle. My experience has shown I'm less likely to
leave marks or miss a spot if I do that.

The gauge of not rolling to large an area (and getting the paint thin)
or too small an area and making it too thick...well, that only comes
with lots and lots of practice, and me? I'm still an apprentice...

"benick" wrote in message
. ..

"h" wrote in message
...

"benick" wrote in message
. ..
Then apply 2 coats of Ben Moore or Sherwin Williams(or similar NAME
brand) FLAT WHITE CEILING PAINT using a GOOD quality roller cover paying
close attention to the aerea where the light hits it...Try to keep a "wet
edge" and work quickly.. Good luck...


NO NO NO!!! All painted surfaces in kitchens and bathroom should be
semi-gloss or high-gloss. Flat paint on a kitchen ceiling will soak up
any grease or smoke and will be uncleanable. Yuck.


Jesh , what do you have , 5 foot ceilings..you might want to install a
VENTED range hood...Does everyone in your house know supper is ready
because the smoke detector goes off...LOL...Reminds me of SWMBO's cooking
many years ago when we first married...LOL...

Umm, no, I have wallpaper in my kitchen with naturally finished wood trim
(nearly 200-year-old-varnish) and normal 8' ceilings painted with
semi-gloss, like every other sensible person. PLONK!

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:48:35 -0500, "benick"
wrote:


"h" wrote in message
...

"benick" wrote in message
. ..
Then apply 2 coats of Ben Moore or Sherwin Williams(or similar NAME brand)
FLAT WHITE CEILING PAINT using a GOOD quality roller cover paying close
attention to the aerea where the light hits it...Try to keep a "wet edge"
and work quickly.. Good luck...


NO NO NO!!! All painted surfaces in kitchens and bathroom should be
semi-gloss or high-gloss. Flat paint on a kitchen ceiling will soak up any
grease or smoke and will be uncleanable. Yuck.


Jesh , what do you have , 5 foot ceilings..you might want to install a
VENTED range hood...Does everyone in your house know supper is ready because
the smoke detector goes off...LOL...Reminds me of SWMBO's cooking many years
ago when we first married...LOL...


If the cook is frying everyday or even just once-a-week fish fry, the
area around the stove will eventually get greasy, including the
ceiling. I have cheap builders paint on the ceiling, never painted
after 18 years. It looks new, I don't fry. A gloss paint is good
protection, but a gloss paint will reveal nail pops, flaws, and warps
much more than a flat paint so a gloss paint might require
considerable preparation work.

Speaking of vents... I looked at a rather nice house to buy (it was
about $340K). I like everything about it except it blew cooking
smoke, grease, steam and whatever else up into a hood and directed the
blast back into the room toward the face! The stove was on an inside
wall. I did not buy it.

"car crash" wrote in message
...
Hi, I have a question for you paint experts. We have a 2 year old
house and we needed to repaint the kitchen ceiling due to a very minor
water damage. (that's not the issue) What a nightmare ! 3 coats
later and we can see all the roller streaks in the ceiling throughout
the kitchen during daylight hours. It looks like a horrible job. We
are using Betonel Cloud white paint, which is pretty standard and we
are painting directly on the old surface which was the same thing
originally.
Does anyone know why all the roller marks would show up on the ceiling
during daylight hours ?
Is there a special roller to use when painting a ceiling ? We are
using a 12mm roller. We have no clue what's causing this to
happen. We thought maybe a lack of paint on the roller but we tried
soaking it good before the 3rd coat, and still were seeing many
streaks.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.


Hello,

Lots of good advice already given. I would add that you lightly go over
a freshly painted 4 X 3 section with the roller BEFORE reloading it with
paint. Do this light rolling in one direction only for all the sections.
This helps to feather in each section. This also helps control the texture
and helps hide lap and roller marks.

Good Luck

"h" wrote in message
...

"benick" wrote in message
. ..

"h" wrote in message
...

"benick" wrote in message
. ..
Then apply 2 coats of Ben Moore or Sherwin Williams(or similar NAME
brand) FLAT WHITE CEILING PAINT using a GOOD quality roller cover paying
close attention to the aerea where the light hits it...Try to keep a
"wet edge" and work quickly.. Good luck...


NO NO NO!!! All painted surfaces in kitchens and bathroom should be
semi-gloss or high-gloss. Flat paint on a kitchen ceiling will soak up
any grease or smoke and will be uncleanable. Yuck.


Jesh , what do you have , 5 foot ceilings..you might want to install a
VENTED range hood...Does everyone in your house know supper is ready
because the smoke detector goes off...LOL...Reminds me of SWMBO's cooking
many years ago when we first married...LOL...

Umm, no, I have wallpaper in my kitchen with naturally finished wood trim
(nearly 200-year-old-varnish) and normal 8' ceilings painted with
semi-gloss, like every other sensible person. PLONK!

Jesh , calm down and get a sense of humor...I was joking.(notice the LOL's)
The OP ( who hasn't even bothered to check back with more info) isn't very
good at painting and was trying to cover up the mess he has made of his
ceiling and I pointed him to the most forgiving paint which is flat white
ceiling paint which is "normally" fine...I have drywalled hundreds of houses
over the last 20 or so years and we typically spray one coat of primer on
ceilings and walls then spray 2 coats of flat white ceiling paint on all the
ceilings back rolling it as we go..I have also done many repair jobs on
existing ceilings and I have only seen the greasy messes that you all seemed
concerned about in restaurants..Granted , I'm in Maine so maybe it's a
regional or ethnic thing...Sorry if I "offended" anyone..I forget that you
can't joke around anymore....Can't hurt anybodies feelings , don't you
know...Just not PC anymore...Oh well.....plonk away...

"h" wrote in message
...
Umm, no, I have wallpaper in my kitchen with naturally finished wood trim
(nearly 200-year-old-varnish) and normal 8' ceilings painted with
semi-gloss, like every other sensible person. PLONK!

Good grief, settle down. http://tinyurl.com/7w4jm

On Jan 19, 12:05*pm, "benick" wrote:
"h" wrote in message

...



"benick" wrote in message
...

"h" wrote in message
...

"benick" wrote in message
et...
Then apply 2 coats of Ben Moore or Sherwin Williams(or similar NAME
brand) FLAT WHITE CEILING PAINT using a GOOD quality roller cover paying
close attention to the aerea where the light hits it...Try to keep a
"wet edge" and work quickly.. Good luck...

NO NO NO!!! All painted surfaces in kitchens and bathroom should be
semi-gloss or high-gloss. Flat paint on a kitchen ceiling will soak up
any grease or smoke and will be uncleanable. Yuck.

Jesh , what do you have , 5 foot ceilings..you might want to install a
VENTED range hood...Does everyone in your house know supper is ready
because the smoke detector goes off...LOL...Reminds me of SWMBO's cooking
many years ago when we first married...LOL...

Umm, no, I have wallpaper in my kitchen with naturally finished wood trim
(nearly 200-year-old-varnish) and normal 8' ceilings painted with
semi-gloss, like every other sensible person. PLONK!

Jesh , calm down and get a sense of humor...I was joking.(notice the LOL's)
The OP ( who hasn't even bothered to check back with more info) isn't very
good at painting and was trying to cover up the mess he has made of his
ceiling and I pointed him to the most forgiving paint which is flat white
ceiling paint which is "normally" fine...I have drywalled hundreds of houses
over the last 20 or so years and we typically spray one coat of primer on
ceilings and walls then spray 2 coats of flat white ceiling paint on all the
ceilings back rolling it as we go..I have also done many repair jobs on
existing ceilings and I have only seen the greasy messes that you all seemed
concerned about in restaurants..Granted , I'm in Maine so maybe it's a
regional or ethnic thing...Sorry if I "offended" anyone..I forget that you
can't joke around anymore....Can't hurt anybodies feelings , don't you
know...Just not PC anymore...Oh well.....plonk away...



I have fixed the problem. It appears the quality of the roller was
the big problem. I bought a low budget roller from Crappy Tire and it
sucked. I went to home depot and bought what they said was the best
roller they got. It rolled the ceiling perfectly. Thanks for the
help and all the very interesting replies !!!!

ransley wrote:
On Jan 17, 3:45 pm, car crash wrote:
Hi, I have a question for you paint experts. We have a 2 year old
house and we needed to repaint the kitchen ceiling due to a very minor
water damage. (that's not the issue) What a nightmare ! 3 coats
later and we can see all the roller streaks in the ceiling throughout
the kitchen during daylight hours. It looks like a horrible job. We
are using Betonel Cloud white paint, which is pretty standard and we
are painting directly on the old surface which was the same thing
originally.
Does anyone know why all the roller marks would show up on the ceiling
during daylight hours ?
Is there a special roller to use when painting a ceiling ? We are
using a 12mm roller. We have no clue what's causing this to
happen. We thought maybe a lack of paint on the roller but we tried
soaking it good before the 3rd coat, and still were seeing many
streaks.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

Did you ever read any instruction label and follow it , or do you just
post stupid questions. You did, NO degreaseing , NO wash, NO sand,
it might all peel in 2 years in sheets, nothing like a homeowner hack
knowing nothing, what a pain in the ass you guys are. Its too late to
do it right, so slap on more till yr happy or strip the bitch bare.
Lighten up, dear. I learned to read labels after my first paint job
with Sears paint....It was such crap that I went to a real paint store,
found Ben Moore by dumb luck, and learned about real paint.

FWIW, I use only alkyd semi in bath and kitchen. Clean-up is not that
big a deal, and if I don't care to repaint for 20 years, BM is good for it.

J. Clarke wrote:
h wrote:
"benick" wrote in message
. ..
Then apply 2 coats of Ben Moore or Sherwin Williams(or similar NAME
brand) FLAT WHITE CEILING PAINT using a GOOD quality roller cover
paying close attention to the aerea where the light hits it...Try
to
keep a "wet edge" and work quickly.. Good luck...

NO NO NO!!! All painted surfaces in kitchens and bathroom should be
semi-gloss or high-gloss. Flat paint on a kitchen ceiling will soak
up any grease or smoke and will be uncleanable. Yuck.

The finish doesn't have much effect on cleanability, it's the
formulation of the paint that matters.

Have you washed kitchen ceilings/walls that had flat paint on them? In
my experience, there is no comparison for cleanability between flat and
semi.

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:56:48 -0500, Norminn
wrote:

Lighten up, dear. I learned to read labels after my first paint job
with Sears paint....It was such crap that I went to a real paint store,
found Ben Moore by dumb luck, and learned about real paint.

I was stupidly incredulous when I realized this one guy I know,
labeled gifted in school, didn't read paint labels so he wasn't paying
attention to how long paint dried before applying second coats. I
told him that every brand and type of paint had different dry times
and that one would be well advised to read the label to ascertain the
needed elapsed time before painting over the first coat. He said he
thought it didn't matter as long as the paint was dry to the touch,
and I told him that these companies spend untold dollars testing their
products in order to provide proper use instructions, and we pay for
that and should read the labels to benefit. How else would you learn
that Home Depot's crap paint Behr needs 4 hours between coats whereas
Benjamin Moore only needs 2? Unfortunately he painted our bathroom
while we were gone on vacation as a return of favor before I realized
his idiocy, so I'll be curious to how long the paint will hold up. It
does happen to be high end Sherwin Williams stuff, so it may be ok in
the end.

"KLS" wrote in message
I was stupidly incredulous when I realized this one guy I know,
labeled gifted in school, didn't read paint labels so he wasn't paying
attention to how long paint dried before applying second coats. I
told him that every brand and type of paint had different dry times
and that one would be well advised to read the label to ascertain the
needed elapsed time before painting over the first coat. He said he
thought it didn't matter as long as the paint was dry to the touch,
and I told him that these companies spend untold dollars testing their
products in order to provide proper use instructions, and we pay for
that and should read the labels to benefit. How else would you learn
that Home Depot's crap paint Behr needs 4 hours between coats whereas
Benjamin Moore only needs 2? Unfortunately he painted our bathroom
while we were gone on vacation as a return of favor before I realized
his idiocy, so I'll be curious to how long the paint will hold up. It
does happen to be high end Sherwin Williams stuff, so it may be ok in
the end.

I've been painting with the "dry to the touch" for the past 50+ years and
have never run into a problem with wall or ceiling paint. It is not
possible for the paint company to give an accurate time period for
re-coating. Temperature, humidity, surface material, thickness of the coat,
all come into play.

One painting tip I learned many years ago is that good paint is worth the
few extra bucks.

"KLS" wrote

Benjamin Moore only needs 2? Unfortunately he painted our bathroom
while we were gone on vacation as a return of favor before I realized
his idiocy, so I'll be curious to how long the paint will hold up. It
does happen to be high end Sherwin Williams stuff, so it may be ok in
the end.

Mom used them by preference with almost every house we 'flipped'. It was a
decent coverage, decent price, and long lasting. Use the higher end of
their line and I've not heard bad of them. You can even reliably use their
water based latex over previous oil based 'unknown paint brand' with just a
little scuffing from sand paper.

At least, you used to be able to ;-) BTDT some 50 times but not recently.