On Jan 3, 9:48*pm, " wrote:
On Jan 3, 10:23 pm, BobR wrote:





On Jan 2, 11:13 pm, " wrote:

On Jan 2, 8:58 pm, Jim Yanik wrote:

enigma wrote :

"SteveB" wrote in
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"enigma" wrote

Of course there is one good thing about 2009, we'll lose BUSH
!!!! A much welcomed loss.......

do you think he'll have a library? if so, what books would it
contain?

At least Bush's books will have words in them.

very small words... he's not exactly literate. he was having a hard
time reading that first grade book on 9/11.
but seriously, what do ex-presidents put in their libraries?
lee

I've read that Bush reads many books every year.
He's Harvard and Yale educated,good enough to pass jet-fighter training(NOT
any easy task),survival school(SERE),and survived flying a dangerous model
of fighter jet(F-102).

You speak from ignorance and blind hatred.(Bush Derangement Syndrome)

--
Jim Yanik

Do myou want thje list of bush failures? Katrina? Attacking Iraq for
no good reason. Presiding over the largest stock market and economic
recession since the great depression. theres more.

bush derangment syndrome......

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I am getting damn sick of hearing this bull**** about Bush's failure
with Katrina.

First of all, Katrina was the third major Hurricane to hit the US
within two months. That resulted in most of the emergency resources
having already been commited elsewhere and were not easily moved.
Most of those resources were volunteers who had jobs and families to
attend to and were tired and needed a break.

Second, everybody with half a brain knew that New Orleans needed to be
totally evacuated well in advance of Katrina landfall. It was one of
the most stupid decisions by the Mayor of New Orleans that I have ever
witnessed and the only reason he was not raked over the coals for it
was because the media was afraid of saying anything against a black
mayor.

Third, the entire infrastructure of the New Orleans area was rendered
unusable by the storm. Roads into New Orleans were flooded, bridges
were destroyed, electricty was knocked out, and the ability of the
volunteers to reach the area (volunteers who must find their own way
to each disaster) was blocked from every direction.

Fourth, the funds for maintaining the levies in New Orleans were being
syphoned off and used for everything except maintaining and upgrading
the levies. It was far more important to the political establishment
to have that money for casinos and gambling than for maintaining their
city.

Fifth, the city of New Orleans was a sewer long before Katrina hit and
it should have been moved to higher ground long ago. It is one of the
dumbest things imaginable to continue to dump taxpayer funds into that
cess pool when we know that it is impossible to protect New Orleans
against a major storm of Katrina's size. There will be another storm,
maybe this year, maybe not for another decade but it will hit and it
will have the same result.

New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen and it is still waiting
to happen yet again. That was not Bush's fault and neither was the
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get real bush was all smoke and mirrors, brownie is doing a excellent
job.

the city is still a wreck, perhaps it should be abandoned.

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You wouldn't know the worst president in our history if he kicked you
in your stupid ass. The city was a wreak before Katrina hit and
should have been abandoned long ago.

On Jan 4, 1:15*pm, "Steve Barker"
wrote:
blah , blah blah. * *liability... *ya ok. *resale. *not an issue. *more bs
more bs bs bs bs.....

just go without tv then. *you're too paranoid to watch it anyway.

s

"aemeijers" wrote in message

...



Talk about hand-waving. *I certainly wouldn't be inclined to let a
neighbor mount a dish on my house, nor would I presume to ask if I could
mount one on his. The contractual situation with Dish aside (they take a
very dim view of the hardware extending beyond the property line, even if
you swear you aren't sharing signal), the insurance liability and
potential resale problems make the idea a non-starter.

Either that, or your neighbors are a whole lot more accommodating than the
ones around here.

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Seems that some people will look for ways to accomplish something
while others will always find yet another excuse for not accomplishing
it.

On Jan 3, 12:26*am, "Bob F" wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message

m...





wrote:

There have been successes. Tens of thousands of dead terrorists,
concealed
handgun carry in national parks, 72 straight quarters of economic
growth,
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Huh?

There have been successes. Tens of thousands of dead terrorists, concealed
handgun carry in national parks, 72 straight quarters of economic growth,
three tax cuts, two swell Supreme Court appointments, up-armored Humvees...

And 3 times as many newly created terrorists. Concealed handguns in parks - now
that's insanity. Straight economic growth - RIIIIIGHT - We can sure see that
today. Up armored humvees - only after the soldiers got it into the news that
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In respect to the concealed handguns in parks, the bear gangs are now
under control.

TMT

On Jan 3, 4:54*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Robert wrote:

Amen

I'll put up with soem of these assholes, but after reading the same
useless ****, from the same asshole, about 4 times in a row, I used my
killfile on the asshole. *Seems like I use that thing more and more
lately. *This aint frikkin politics we're discussing. *I as well as
others do not like this forced change to digital tv and have good
reason since all I will soon watch is PBS. *Just because some city kid
gets more channels does not mean it will please all of us or even work
for all of us. *I feel the same about these new Blueray things. *I was
satisfied with my VCR, and I overlooked an occasional broken tape. *I
finally got a DVD player, and will admit they are more reliable and
the picture quality is better. *But there is no way in hell that I am
going to buy a Blueray. *Jesus Christ, what more picture or sound
quality do I need to watch a damn movie. *I get just as many laughs
out of a comedy whether it's on VHS or DVD.

The whole thing comes down to sucking more money out of those people
stupid enough to buy into all this technology that they *think* they
need because some advertiser tells them so. *It's the same with
computers. *I run a computer from 2000, use Windows 98, and I have no
intention to upgrade the operating system. *I dont need all this
useless video crap they put on websites these days, I dont play games
on the computer. *What do I need to read newsgroups, get email, and
get some information from the web. *I dont even allow videos, and
blocked the flash stuff. *Why do I need that stuff to get a simple
weather report, look at the latest news, look up the lyrics to a song,
or research why my dog threw up. *The answer is that I DONT. *People
who use their computer as a toy to play games, or do other power
hungry stuff, might need XP or Vista. *I dont, and I even gave XP a
try and hated it. *I hope when 98 becomes totally obsolete I can
either afford a Macintosh, or someone came out with another non-MS
operating system that anyone can use (which is not linux).

Anyhow, the bottom line is that there is always some one trying to
suck another dollar out of our pockets, and most of us dont even need
the stuff. *Yet, these companies know how to make things obsolete to
force us to buy their new crap, and what really irks me, is that every
upgrade makes things more and more complicated to use. *I dont know
about others, but I';d rather be able to easily make use of some
device, than have something so full of complicated features that I get
no use out of it. *A good example of this is photo editing. *I use a
version of Paint Shop Pro from 1998 or 99. *I can do all sorts of fun
stuff with photos. *Someone told me I need the latest Photoshop. *They
have it and showed it to me. *I took one look and said "how many years
does it take to learn all those buttons?". *He said he's worked with
it for years, but everytime he starts to catch on, there is a new
version. *Well, that about sums it all up. *We can own the latest
gadgets, but never get any use out of them because no one fully ever
learns how to use them.

I use what works for me. *Windows 98, PSP5, my 4 year old CRT tv, my
VHS and DVD movies, and my 16 year old pickup truck. *I have no
outstanding debts, and except my latest utility bills, and I can sit
back and enjoy life and my computer and movies without working 3 jobs
to pay for all this crap, and always being in debt and wanting more
because some greedy ******* is wanting to get his filthy hands in my
wallet, by telling me I need more and more and more.....
Some day we will all be buried in our waste, and then we will look
back and wonder why.......

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Ah yes...but an honest one and acutally quite correct.

TMT

On Jan 4, 7:20*am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
BobR wrote:

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As for 60 Minutes, why do you watch a news program that has repeatedly
been caught fabricating stories and lying?

I'll bite. * *I like 60 minutes. * Can you give me 2 examples of each
& I promise I'll reconsider watching it. [except for Andy Rooney- his
is an opinion piece so he can say anything he damn well pleases. *And
besides he's an excellent woodworker and WWII war correspondent]

Jim

Yep. In the late 80's 60 minutes did a story on unintended
acceleration issues with the Audi. The Audi was finding great success
in the US and Ford, who sponsored 60 minutes at the time wanted to
break their success. They rigged an Audi with a device that caused
the accelerator to jam when the car was shifted into reverse. It was
later proven that the story was false and the National Transportation
Board could find nothing wrong with the Audi. The 60 minutes program
never admitted their fabrication and even repeated the story again
after the facts had been uncovered.

A second episode involved the Chevrolet Pickup truck where it was
reported that a side impact crash would result in an exploding fuel
tank. After repeated attempts to prove the claims, 60 minutes could
not get the tanks to explode so they rigged an explosive device to
cause the tanks to explode. Again, they did not inform the public
when they did their story but claimed the tanks exploded on their own.

So forgive me if as a result of these fabrications I can not accept
anything or any story presented by 60 minutes as anything but a lie.
If you can't trust every story they present, you can't trust any of
them.

On Jan 3, 6:42*am, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"Caesar Romano" wrote in message

2) *bungled the economy worse than anything since the 1929 depression..

That's pretty impressive miss-management even by American standards.

There he had the help of the Democratic Congress. *Remember how our system
works? *He is President, not dictator.

Until recently it was a REPUBLICAN Congress.

Interesting how you overlooked that.

TMT

On Jan 3, 8:54*am, " wrote:
local over the air TV is critical when bad things happen like
emergencies, tornadoes, hurricanes, or terrorism which we have been
told will occur.

at such time the population needs timely asnd accurate *information
and direction.

================================================== =========

As to Bush about 20% of the population still beleves in him despite
evidence to the contrary. which we are all well aware of

Perhaps these people who probably voted for bush in the first place,
and likely saw their retirement accounts shrink by half are really
trying to convince themselves that any president would of been as bad
or worse......

so they support bush?

my belief is once bush is out of office we will be told the truth, he
was hitting the bottle heavy in the white house, which would explain
some of his bad performance

I am convinced that he has been drinking throughout his Presidency.

The crime is that it was hidden from the American People.

TMT

On Jan 3, 10:52*am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 9:54*am, " wrote:

local over the air TV is critical when bad things happen like
emergencies, tornadoes, hurricanes, or terrorism which we have been
told will occur.

at such time the population needs timely asnd accurate *information
and direction.

Then I guess I'm gonna die, because I haven't received any TV OTA
since the 70s. * Neither do 90%+ of other Americans who rely on cable
or sat.

================================================== =========

As to Bush about 20% of the population still beleves in him despite
evidence to the contrary. which we are all well aware of

You Bush haters can't even shut up when he has only 3 weeks left in
office can you? * *One would think you'd be happy, but no...

And BTW, I'm sick and tired of guys like you claiming Bush lied about
Iraq. * He didn't lie, but you are. * At the time Bush made the
decision to go to war, most of the Democrats were spouting the same
lines about WMDs. * Democrats like Bill Clinton, Hillary, Joe
Biden.... * If you google, you will find plenty of sound bites from
them saying that Sadam had WMDs and how serious the threat was, how he
must be stopped. * That's because it was based on intelligence, which
any reasonable person knows can never be perfect. *Not only US, but
British, Israeli and Russian intelligence believed Sadam had active
WMD programs.

And Sadam was sure acting like a guy with WMDs to hide. * Right up to
the last minute, he refused full coperation with the UN weapons
inspectors and was launching occasional missles at US aircraft
enforcing the no-fly zone.

*And we don't know what Obama would have done had he been in the
Senate and had to vote on going to war. * * He didn't because he was a
mere state senator at the time. *So now in hindsight, it's easy for
him to say he was against the war. * But just like with issues such as
off shore drilling, nuclear power, etc. where he's conveniently
changed his position, you don't know that he would not have voted for
it because it was the seemingly correct political decision at the time

So, why do guys like you continue to say Bush lied? * I'm not saying
Bush is perfect; far from it. * But you just discredit yourself when
you claim Bush lied about Iraq. * Had Bush not gone to war and it
turned out Sadam did have WMDs that one day got used, you'd be right
here bitching about how Bush should be impeached because everyone knew
what Sadam was up to and Bush FAILED TO ACT.



Perhaps these people who probably voted for bush in the first place,
and likely saw their retirement accounts shrink by half are really
trying to convince themselves that any president would of been as bad
or worse......

How about the people who voted for Clinton and saw their IRAs get
blown up too in the tech bubble that ended in a bear market? * That
bear market began while Clinton was in office. * Funny how you don't
bitch about that. * I'd like to know specifically what Bush did to
cause the bear stock market.



so they support bush?

my belief is once bush is out of office we will be told the truth, he
was hitting the bottle heavy in the white house, which would explain
some of his bad performance

More baseless speculation. * Why don't you bitch about Clinton, the
sex addict?

He hasn't cost this country trillions of dollars.

And when did his sex life affect me?

Your sex life doesn't affect me...care to tell us about it?

TMT

On Jan 3, 4:56*pm, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:
Per Jim:

yep, it's going to take several years for the simpletons to figure
out how bush is no longer president. *but, they'll blame him anyhow.

Well, it's not just him - and I'm no economist.... but I'd say
that his administration's trillion-plus deficit really will be
affecting us for years and years to come.
--
PeteCresswell

Generations and generations to come...

We are talking TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS.

TMT

On Jan 3, 4:57*pm, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:
Per SteveB:

I guess we'll just
print some more money. *That oughta take care of it. *Right?

AFIK, it's already been done. * They call it 'deficit spending'.
--
PeteCresswell

And like a credit card, someone has to pay it back.

That someone is you.

TMT

On Jan 3, 5:39*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message

...

Per Jim:
yep, it's going to take several years for the simpletons to figure
out how bush is no longer president. *but, they'll blame him anyhow.

Well, it's not just him - and I'm no economist.... but I'd say
that his administration's trillion-plus deficit really will be
affecting us for years and years to come.
--
PeteCresswell

Don't forget *how the budget got to him. The Democratic controlled congress
sent it over. *He foolishly signed what they wanted.

Correction...make that the REPUBLICAN Congress.

Wringers love to rewrite the truth.

When kids, they always blamed the dog for the smell too.

TMT

In article ,
lid (Robert) says...

You hit the nail right on the head with what you said. The govt will
make a killing selling these frequencies to cell phone companies. so
those companies can continue to pollute our youth with their toy
cellphones. If cellphones were only used for business and personal
emergencies, like they were intended, we would nto need more
frequencies.

My local police and fire dispatch are pretty happy that they will be
able to use a dedicated frequency for voice and data communication.
right now they have to share bandwidth with microwave ovens and cordless
phones. The range is limited and there is a boatload of interference.

The old analog TV was a bandwidth waster for sure. It's about time they
shut it down.

--
For email, replace firstnamelastinitial
with my first name and last initial.

In article ,
lid (Mark Lloyd) says...

I think there's one station around here that won't be affected (it's
low power), but the programming is REALLY crappy.

Good point. Low power stations are not required to shift to digital
broadcast.

--
For email, replace firstnamelastinitial
with my first name and last initial.

HeyBub wrote:
Robert wrote:
Amen

I'll put up with soem of these assholes, but after reading the same
useless ****, from the same asshole, about 4 times in a row, I used my
killfile on the asshole. Seems like I use that thing more and more
lately. This aint frikkin politics we're discussing. I as well as
others do not like this forced change to digital tv and have good
reason since all I will soon watch is PBS. Just because some city kid
gets more channels does not mean it will please all of us or even work
for all of us. I feel the same about these new Blueray things. I was
satisfied with my VCR, and I overlooked an occasional broken tape. I
finally got a DVD player, and will admit they are more reliable and
the picture quality is better. But there is no way in hell that I am
going to buy a Blueray. Jesus Christ, what more picture or sound
quality do I need to watch a damn movie. I get just as many laughs
out of a comedy whether it's on VHS or DVD.

The whole thing comes down to sucking more money out of those people
stupid enough to buy into all this technology that they *think* they
need because some advertiser tells them so. It's the same with
computers. I run a computer from 2000, use Windows 98, and I have no
intention to upgrade the operating system. I dont need all this
useless video crap they put on websites these days, I dont play games
on the computer. What do I need to read newsgroups, get email, and
get some information from the web. I dont even allow videos, and
blocked the flash stuff. Why do I need that stuff to get a simple
weather report, look at the latest news, look up the lyrics to a song,
or research why my dog threw up. The answer is that I DONT. People
who use their computer as a toy to play games, or do other power
hungry stuff, might need XP or Vista. I dont, and I even gave XP a
try and hated it. I hope when 98 becomes totally obsolete I can
either afford a Macintosh, or someone came out with another non-MS
operating system that anyone can use (which is not linux).

Anyhow, the bottom line is that there is always some one trying to
suck another dollar out of our pockets, and most of us dont even need
the stuff. Yet, these companies know how to make things obsolete to
force us to buy their new crap, and what really irks me, is that every
upgrade makes things more and more complicated to use. I dont know
about others, but I';d rather be able to easily make use of some
device, than have something so full of complicated features that I get
no use out of it. A good example of this is photo editing. I use a
version of Paint Shop Pro from 1998 or 99. I can do all sorts of fun
stuff with photos. Someone told me I need the latest Photoshop. They
have it and showed it to me. I took one look and said "how many years
does it take to learn all those buttons?". He said he's worked with
it for years, but everytime he starts to catch on, there is a new
version. Well, that about sums it all up. We can own the latest
gadgets, but never get any use out of them because no one fully ever
learns how to use them.

I use what works for me. Windows 98, PSP5, my 4 year old CRT tv, my
VHS and DVD movies, and my 16 year old pickup truck. I have no
outstanding debts, and except my latest utility bills, and I can sit
back and enjoy life and my computer and movies without working 3 jobs
to pay for all this crap, and always being in debt and wanting more
because some greedy ******* is wanting to get his filthy hands in my
wallet, by telling me I need more and more and more.....
Some day we will all be buried in our waste, and then we will look
back and wonder why.......

Luddite.


Or just someone who is sensible, lives within their means and enjoys
what they have..

"BobR" wrote in message
...
On Jan 4, 7:20 am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
BobR wrote:

-snip-

As for 60 Minutes, why do you watch a news program that has repeatedly
been caught fabricating stories and lying?

I'll bite. I like 60 minutes. Can you give me 2 examples of each
& I promise I'll reconsider watching it. [except for Andy Rooney- his
is an opinion piece so he can say anything he damn well pleases. And
besides he's an excellent woodworker and WWII war correspondent]

Jim

Yep. In the late 80's 60 minutes did a story on unintended
acceleration issues with the Audi. The Audi was finding great success
in the US and Ford, who sponsored 60 minutes at the time wanted to
break their success. They rigged an Audi with a device that caused
the accelerator to jam when the car was shifted into reverse. It was
later proven that the story was false and the National Transportation
Board could find nothing wrong with the Audi. The 60 minutes program
never admitted their fabrication and even repeated the story again
after the facts had been uncovered.

A second episode involved the Chevrolet Pickup truck where it was
reported that a side impact crash would result in an exploding fuel
tank. After repeated attempts to prove the claims, 60 minutes could
not get the tanks to explode so they rigged an explosive device to
cause the tanks to explode. Again, they did not inform the public
when they did their story but claimed the tanks exploded on their own.

So forgive me if as a result of these fabrications I can not accept
anything or any story presented by 60 minutes as anything but a lie.
If you can't trust every story they present, you can't trust any of
them.


reply:

Big deal. They intentionally spent lots of hours and dollars to present
fake journalism. BTW, the slowmo pics of the fireworks going off underneath
the truck after impact to set off the gasoline was priceless. So, now, you
think EVERY news story is fake, concocted, a put up, or a lie?

I'm with you.

Steve ;-)

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
blah , blah blah. liability... ya ok. resale. not an issue. more bs
more bs bs bs bs.....

just go without tv then. you're too paranoid to watch it anyway.

s

It's not paranoia if they really ARE out to get you.

-me-

And they ARE out to get us. It's a damn conspiracy, I tell ya. A
TriLateralist, Buildaberger, One World, Communist, Republican, Democrat,
Libertarian, sexist, homophobic, racist, and whatever else conspiracy.

See my ammo catalogs, and order soon.

Steve

wrote:
On Jan 4, 10:19�am, George wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I've read that Bush reads many books every year.
He's Harvard and Yale educated,good enough to pass jet-fighter
training(NOT
any easy task),survival school(SERE),and survived flying a dangerous
model
of fighter jet(F-102).
You speak from ignorance and blind hatred.(Bush Derangement Syndrome)
I also hear that he went AWOL, is an alcoholic and is considered the
most unpopular President in history.
And oh yeah....he is handing out trillions of our money to his
friends.
There's a difference between what's provable amongst that which is heard.
Dan Rather claimed Bush went AWOL, and Rather got fired. Bush admitted to
being an alcoholic (reformed). I rather doubt he's the most unpopular
president in history considering Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Jackson, U.S.
Grant, and others.ds.
As for handing out trillions to his friends, give the guy some credit. It
would be really stupid to hand out money to his enemies.
Naw, he would be applauded for trying to be honest. Acting only in the
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yeah his oil buddies and military industrilal complex all made big
bucks.

bush took good care of his buddies, at the cost of a bunch of american
lives.

To be fair it was the democratic controlled congress who simply picked
our pockets to come up with the bailout money that should never have
been appropriated. The red and blue teams simply operate on behalf of a
select few.



worse busg discredited our nationa.

others hate our country over things like GITMO, they look at our
country as the neighborhood bully

"BobR" wrote

You wouldn't know the worst president in our history if he kicked you
in your stupid ass. The city was a wreak before Katrina hit and
should have been abandoned long ago.

reply: New Orleans has always been an entertaining sewer. Nature just
pushed the handle. Finally.

Steve

BobR wrote:
On Jan 4, 1:15 pm, "Steve Barker"
wrote:
blah , blah blah. liability... ya ok. resale. not an issue. more bs
more bs bs bs bs.....

just go without tv then. you're too paranoid to watch it anyway.

s

"aemeijers" wrote in message

...



Talk about hand-waving. I certainly wouldn't be inclined to let a
neighbor mount a dish on my house, nor would I presume to ask if I could
mount one on his. The contractual situation with Dish aside (they take a
very dim view of the hardware extending beyond the property line, even if
you swear you aren't sharing signal), the insurance liability and
potential resale problems make the idea a non-starter.
Either that, or your neighbors are a whole lot more accommodating than the
ones around here.
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Seems that some people will look for ways to accomplish something
while others will always find yet another excuse for not accomplishing
it.
You both ASSume way too much. If and when my satt stops working on a
regular basis due to the trees, I will reposition the dish and run new
cables, from a less-blocked location. And I'll do it in a way that
won't get Dish to cancel my service, or bother the neighbors.

--
aem sends...

BobR wrote:
On Jan 4, 7:20 am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
BobR wrote:

-snip-

As for 60 Minutes, why do you watch a news program that has repeatedly
been caught fabricating stories and lying?
I'll bite. I like 60 minutes. Can you give me 2 examples of each
& I promise I'll reconsider watching it. [except for Andy Rooney- his
is an opinion piece so he can say anything he damn well pleases. And
besides he's an excellent woodworker and WWII war correspondent]

Jim

Yep. In the late 80's 60 minutes did a story on unintended
acceleration issues with the Audi. The Audi was finding great success
in the US and Ford, who sponsored 60 minutes at the time wanted to
break their success. They rigged an Audi with a device that caused
the accelerator to jam when the car was shifted into reverse. It was
later proven that the story was false and the National Transportation
Board could find nothing wrong with the Audi. The 60 minutes program
never admitted their fabrication and even repeated the story again
after the facts had been uncovered.

A second episode involved the Chevrolet Pickup truck where it was
reported that a side impact crash would result in an exploding fuel
tank. After repeated attempts to prove the claims, 60 minutes could
not get the tanks to explode so they rigged an explosive device to
cause the tanks to explode. Again, they did not inform the public
when they did their story but claimed the tanks exploded on their own.

So forgive me if as a result of these fabrications I can not accept
anything or any story presented by 60 minutes as anything but a lie.
If you can't trust every story they present, you can't trust any of
them.

Ford didn't rig the Audi, the 'consultant' did. The vast majority of the
unintended acceleration cases are driver error- stepped on the wrong
damn pedal. The Chevy pickup case was NBC, not CBS.

Note that I distrust mass media as much or more than the next guy, but
if you are going to accuse them, get your facts straight.

--
aem sends...

Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
lid (Robert) says...

You hit the nail right on the head with what you said. The govt will
make a killing selling these frequencies to cell phone companies. so
those companies can continue to pollute our youth with their toy
cellphones. If cellphones were only used for business and personal
emergencies, like they were intended, we would nto need more
frequencies.

My local police and fire dispatch are pretty happy that they will be
able to use a dedicated frequency for voice and data communication.
right now they have to share bandwidth with microwave ovens and
cordless phones. The range is limited and there is a boatload of
interference.


It's a bitch when emergency responders have a bad string.

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jan 3, 6:42 am, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"Caesar Romano" wrote in message

2) bungled the economy worse than anything since the 1929
depression.

That's pretty impressive miss-management even by American standards.

There he had the help of the Democratic Congress. Remember how our
system works? He is President, not dictator.

Until recently it was a REPUBLICAN Congress.

Interesting how you overlooked that.


The House has been Democratic for the last two years, the Senate for the
last four.

On Jan 4, 4:13*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
"BobR" wrote

You wouldn't know the worst president in our history if he kicked you
in your stupid ass. *The city was a wreak before Katrina hit and
should have been abandoned long ago.

reply: New Orleans has always been an entertaining sewer. *Nature just
pushed the handle. *Finally.

Steve

Yeah but like many of the old crappers, it only partially flushed and
a lot of stinky crap still remains. It needs a second flush to
complete the job.

Bob F wrote:

There have been successes. Tens of thousands of dead terrorists,
concealed handgun carry in national parks, 72 straight quarters of
economic growth, three tax cuts, two swell Supreme Court
appointments, up-armored Humvees...

And 3 times as many newly created terrorists. Concealed handguns in
parks - now that's insanity. Straight economic growth - RIIIIIGHT -
We can sure see that today. Up armored humvees - only after the
soldiers got it into the news that they were digging through dumps to
armor their own. Quite a record!!

As to more terrorists - you may be right. One great worthy once said "The
penis is mighter than the sword," by which he meant your enemy can reproduce
faster than you can kill them. Still, maybe we're just giving otherwise
unemployed terrorists something to do - they were always there, just bored.

Still, the goal is not to eliminate terror, it's to kill terrorists.

Concealed handguns an insanity? The conflict is between those who are afraid
of criminals vs. those who are afraid of guns. For the anti's, it's an
emotional issue. For the pro-gun side, it's just common sense ("is your fire
extinguisher LOADED?"). There are 48 states that have some sort of concealed
handgun license (Illinois, Wisconsin, and D.C. are the outliers). At no time
has ANY state, once it liberalized its concealed carry laws, reverted to a
more strict policy. Concealed handguns WORK - we are killing goblins right
and left.

Further, Barak Obama (PBUH) has often stated that gun laws should follow the
customs of the local community. How better than to have the gun laws of the
state in which a National Park is located govern? Taking Him (PBUH) at his
word, I fully expect federal regulations prohibiting guns in federal
institutions (post offices, Veteran's hospitals, Social Security offices,
etc.), to fall to the same common-sense approach.

As for seeing the economic growth today, well, 72 consecutive months of
economic growth ain't nuthin' to sneeze at. Then the Democrats took control
of Congress. In a mere 18 months, they managed to **** it up beyond the
abilities of mere mortals to comprehend.

On Jan 4, 4:08*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
"BobR" wrote in message

...
On Jan 4, 7:20 am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:

BobR wrote:

-snip-

As for 60 Minutes, why do you watch a news program that has repeatedly
been caught fabricating stories and lying?

I'll bite. I like 60 minutes. Can you give me 2 examples of each
& I promise I'll reconsider watching it. [except for Andy Rooney- his
is an opinion piece so he can say anything he damn well pleases. And
besides he's an excellent woodworker and WWII war correspondent]

Jim

Yep. *In the late 80's 60 minutes did a story on unintended
acceleration issues with the Audi. *The Audi was finding great success
in the US and Ford, who sponsored 60 minutes at the time wanted to
break their success. *They rigged an Audi with a device that caused
the accelerator to jam when the car was shifted into reverse. *It was
later proven that the story was false and the National Transportation
Board could find nothing wrong with the Audi. The 60 minutes program
never admitted their fabrication and even repeated the story again
after the facts had been uncovered.

A second episode involved the Chevrolet Pickup truck where it was
reported that a side impact crash would result in an exploding fuel
tank. *After repeated attempts to prove the claims, 60 minutes could
not get the tanks to explode so they rigged an explosive device to
cause the tanks to explode. *Again, they did not inform the public
when they did their story but claimed the tanks exploded on their own.

So forgive me if as a result of these fabrications I can not accept
anything or any story presented by 60 minutes as anything but a lie.
If you can't trust every story they present, you can't trust any of
them.

reply:

Big deal. *They intentionally spent lots of hours and dollars to present
fake journalism. *BTW, the slowmo pics of the fireworks going off underneath
the truck after impact to set off the gasoline was priceless. *So, now, you
think EVERY news story is fake, concocted, a put up, or a lie?

I'm with you.

Steve ;-)

No, I don't believe every story they put out is a fake but if I can't
trust every story to be factual and accurate then I simply can't trust
any of them. The unfortunate thing is that all of our media has
fallen into the same trap of being more concerned about ratings than
about their responsibility to protect the public trust.

On Jan 4, 4:42*pm, aemeijers wrote:
BobR wrote:
On Jan 4, 7:20 am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
BobR wrote:

-snip-

As for 60 Minutes, why do you watch a news program that has repeatedly
been caught fabricating stories and lying?
I'll bite. * *I like 60 minutes. * Can you give me 2 examples of each
& I promise I'll reconsider watching it. [except for Andy Rooney- his
is an opinion piece so he can say anything he damn well pleases. *And
besides he's an excellent woodworker and WWII war correspondent]

Jim

Yep. *In the late 80's 60 minutes did a story on unintended
acceleration issues with the Audi. *The Audi was finding great success
in the US and Ford, who sponsored 60 minutes at the time wanted to
break their success. *They rigged an Audi with a device that caused
the accelerator to jam when the car was shifted into reverse. *It was
later proven that the story was false and the National Transportation
Board could find nothing wrong with the Audi. The 60 minutes program
never admitted their fabrication and even repeated the story again
after the facts had been uncovered.

A second episode involved the Chevrolet Pickup truck where it was
reported that a side impact crash would result in an exploding fuel
tank. *After repeated attempts to prove the claims, 60 minutes could
not get the tanks to explode so they rigged an explosive device to
cause the tanks to explode. *Again, they did not inform the public
when they did their story but claimed the tanks exploded on their own.

So forgive me if as a result of these fabrications I can not accept
anything or any story presented by 60 minutes as anything but a lie.
If you can't trust every story they present, you can't trust any of
them.

Ford didn't rig the Audi, the 'consultant' did. The vast majority of the
unintended acceleration cases are driver error- stepped on the wrong
damn pedal. The Chevy pickup case was NBC, not CBS.

Note that I distrust mass media as much or more than the next guy, but
if you are going to accuse them, get your facts straight.

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

First, I didn't say Ford did it, I said that Ford was the sponsor.
Who actually rigged the Audi isn't important, the 60 Minutes staff was
totally aware of it and put the story on anyway. Not only did they do
it once, they repeated the story even after it was brought out that it
was rigged. So get your own facts straight. I also know that they
are not alone is doing such underhanded reporting, they are all
guilty.

60 minutes did a interesting and factual story about the joint chiefs
member, who told bush we need more boots on the ground to provide iraq
security after saddam is deposed.

bush wanting ONLY YES MEN fired the joint chiefs member

Incidently obama hired him as a member of his new adminstration

Per Too_Many_Tools:

And like a credit card, someone has to pay it back.

That someone is you.

What *really* burns me about all this is that the guys making
policy decisions' lifestyles won't be affected one bit by however
much inflation they unleash.
--
PeteCresswell

Per Too_Many_Tools:
I am convinced that he has been drinking throughout his Presidency.

Has anybody else seen the web page where somebody (obviously with
an agenda...) put up videos of Dubya speaking as governor of
Texas and then, some years later, as president?

The punch line was something like "What has happened to this
guy?"

The differences in cadence, enunciation and other things I can't
articulate were quite obvious.
--
PeteCresswell

HeyBub wrote:
Bob F wrote:
There have been successes. Tens of thousands of dead terrorists,
concealed handgun carry in national parks, 72 straight quarters of
economic growth, three tax cuts, two swell Supreme Court
appointments, up-armored Humvees...
And 3 times as many newly created terrorists. Concealed handguns in
parks - now that's insanity. Straight economic growth - RIIIIIGHT -
We can sure see that today. Up armored humvees - only after the
soldiers got it into the news that they were digging through dumps to
armor their own. Quite a record!!

As to more terrorists - you may be right. One great worthy once said "The
penis is mighter than the sword," by which he meant your enemy can reproduce
faster than you can kill them. Still, maybe we're just giving otherwise
unemployed terrorists something to do - they were always there, just bored.

Still, the goal is not to eliminate terror, it's to kill terrorists.

Concealed handguns an insanity? The conflict is between those who are afraid
of criminals vs. those who are afraid of guns. For the anti's, it's an
emotional issue. For the pro-gun side, it's just common sense ("is your fire
extinguisher LOADED?"). There are 48 states that have some sort of concealed
handgun license (Illinois, Wisconsin, and D.C. are the outliers). At no time
has ANY state, once it liberalized its concealed carry laws, reverted to a
more strict policy. Concealed handguns WORK - we are killing goblins right
and left.

Further, Barak Obama (PBUH) has often stated that gun laws should follow the
customs of the local community. How better than to have the gun laws of the
state in which a National Park is located govern? Taking Him (PBUH) at his
word, I fully expect federal regulations prohibiting guns in federal
institutions (post offices, Veteran's hospitals, Social Security offices,
etc.), to fall to the same common-sense approach.

As for seeing the economic growth today, well, 72 consecutive months of
economic growth ain't nuthin' to sneeze at. Then the Democrats took control
of Congress. In a mere 18 months, they managed to **** it up beyond the
abilities of mere mortals to comprehend.


You keep repeating that but since you and Rush Limbaw only seem to know
what they did why not spill the beans and make them look really bad? How
about the real dirt on what they did in those 18 months?

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Too_Many_Tools:
And like a credit card, someone has to pay it back.

That someone is you.

What *really* burns me about all this is that the guys making
policy decisions' lifestyles won't be affected one bit by however
much inflation they unleash.

What makes you think it is ever GONNA be paid back? Just like with a
loan shark or payday loan storefront, the feds will just keep rolling it
over. The Chinese and the House of Saud have little choice in loaning
the money- if the US economy flat-out collapses, they lose their best
customer. And if their house-of-cards economies collapse, the ruling
classes over there will have to find deep holes to hide in.

Another few years of this, and we will have had a de facto 1 for 10
dollar devaluation in my lifetime.

--
aem sends...

On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:43:43 -0800, wrote:

60 minutes did a interesting and factual story about the joint chiefs
member, who told bush we need more boots on the ground to provide iraq
security after saddam is deposed.

bush wanting ONLY YES MEN fired the joint chiefs member

Incidently obama hired him as a member of his new adminstration

Shinseki - nominated as Secretary of Veterans Affairs.

George wrote:

As for seeing the economic growth today, well, 72 consecutive months
of economic growth ain't nuthin' to sneeze at. Then the Democrats
took control of Congress. In a mere 18 months, they managed to ****
it up beyond the abilities of mere mortals to comprehend.


You keep repeating that but since you and Rush Limbaw only seem to
know what they did why not spill the beans and make them look really
bad? How about the real dirt on what they did in those 18 months?

What difference does it make whether or what they did? They were in charge,
therefore they get the blame.

Inasmuch as the economy's in the ditch, it's obvious they DIDN'T do anything
(enough?) to mitigate the disaster.

Frankly, I'm at a loss. Used to be, Republican scandals were concentrated
above the neck and Democrat scandals were centered below the belt. Now, what
with Larry Craig tap-dancing in the men's room and Chris Dodd, Barney Frank,
Rod Blago, and others fiddling with the money and power, it seems as if the
emphasis has shifted.

BobR wrote:
On Jan 4, 7:20 am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
BobR wrote:

-snip-

As for 60 Minutes, why do you watch a news program that has
repeatedly been caught fabricating stories and lying?

I'll bite. I like 60 minutes. Can you give me 2 examples of each
& I promise I'll reconsider watching it. [except for Andy Rooney- his
is an opinion piece so he can say anything he damn well pleases. And
besides he's an excellent woodworker and WWII war correspondent]

Jim

Yep. In the late 80's 60 minutes did a story on unintended
acceleration issues with the Audi. The Audi was finding great success
in the US and Ford, who sponsored 60 minutes at the time wanted to
break their success. They rigged an Audi with a device that caused
the accelerator to jam when the car was shifted into reverse. It was
later proven that the story was false and the National Transportation
Board could find nothing wrong with the Audi. The 60 minutes program
never admitted their fabrication and even repeated the story again
after the facts had been uncovered.

A second episode involved the Chevrolet Pickup truck where it was
reported that a side impact crash would result in an exploding fuel
tank. After repeated attempts to prove the claims, 60 minutes could
not get the tanks to explode so they rigged an explosive device to
cause the tanks to explode. Again, they did not inform the public
when they did their story but claimed the tanks exploded on their own.

So forgive me if as a result of these fabrications I can not accept
anything or any story presented by 60 minutes as anything but a lie.
If you can't trust every story they present, you can't trust any of
them.

You overlooked the Dan Rather fiasco.

On Jan 4, 9:06*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
BobR wrote:
On Jan 4, 7:20 am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
BobR wrote:

-snip-

As for 60 Minutes, why do you watch a news program that has
repeatedly been caught fabricating stories and lying?

I'll bite. I like 60 minutes. Can you give me 2 examples of each
& I promise I'll reconsider watching it. [except for Andy Rooney- his
is an opinion piece so he can say anything he damn well pleases. And
besides he's an excellent woodworker and WWII war correspondent]

Jim

Yep. *In the late 80's 60 minutes did a story on unintended
acceleration issues with the Audi. *The Audi was finding great success
in the US and Ford, who sponsored 60 minutes at the time wanted to
break their success. *They rigged an Audi with a device that caused
the accelerator to jam when the car was shifted into reverse. *It was
later proven that the story was false and the National Transportation
Board could find nothing wrong with the Audi. The 60 minutes program
never admitted their fabrication and even repeated the story again
after the facts had been uncovered.

A second episode involved the Chevrolet Pickup truck where it was
reported that a side impact crash would result in an exploding fuel
tank. *After repeated attempts to prove the claims, 60 minutes could
not get the tanks to explode so they rigged an explosive device to
cause the tanks to explode. *Again, they did not inform the public
when they did their story but claimed the tanks exploded on their own.

So forgive me if as a result of these fabrications I can not accept
anything or any story presented by 60 minutes as anything but a lie.
If you can't trust every story they present, you can't trust any of
them.

You overlooked the Dan Rather fiasco.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Which one, the one he got fired for or the one which vaulted him into
the national limelight to begin with? Rather got his big break onto
the national scene when he reported on race riots in Houston in the
late 60's. Race riots which were paid for by the media in Houston. I
was there helping my cousin lug the camera gear around and setup to
film the riots. I saw the money exchange hands and Rather among
others were there and witnessed and/or participated in the exchange.
I never watched anything Dan Rather was a part of following that
time. If anyone thinks that the news media is any less corrupt than
any other organization, they are living in a vacuum.

"BobR" wrote

No, I don't believe every story they put out is a fake but if I can't
trust every story to be factual and accurate then I simply can't trust
any of them. The unfortunate thing is that all of our media has
fallen into the same trap of being more concerned about ratings than
about their responsibility to protect the public trust.

It is definitely not what, when, where, why, and how any more. They were
shameful in the Lacey Peterson case, as well as Caylee Anthony, and hundreds
of others. Why do strains of Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry" come to mind?

Steve

On Jan 4, 10:25*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
"BobR" wrote

No, I don't believe every story they put out is a fake but if I can't
trust every story to be factual and accurate then I simply can't trust
any of them. *The unfortunate thing is that all of our media has
fallen into the same trap of being more concerned about ratings than
about their responsibility to protect the public trust.

It is definitely not what, when, where, why, and how any more. *They were
shameful in the Lacey Peterson case, as well as Caylee Anthony, and hundreds
of others. *Why do strains of Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry" come to mind?

Steve

I used to live in Houston and was very active in the Republican
Party. I attended a number of county and state party conventions over
the years and always marveled at the local news reports on the
conventions. I never could identify what the news reports were saying
to the actual events that took place even though I was totally
involved in all of the activity. It was amazing that they could
fabricate major events out of nothing. In other cases, I have been
directly involved in events that I couldn't even recognize based on
the news reports that followed them.

There is an old saying that I can't totally recall but it goes
something like...Believe only about 90% of what you see and 10% of
what you read. That should be modified to say "and 10% of what you
read or see on TV." I recently read a major report in a local paper
that because of personal knowledge I knew to be so totally biased as
to almost qualify as fiction. It wasn't so much that they reported
lies but that they reported half truths and then drew conclusions
leaving out everthing that didn't fit with their conclusions.

"SteveB" wrote in
:


"BobR" wrote in message
.
.. On Jan 4, 7:20 am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
BobR wrote:

-snip-

As for 60 Minutes, why do you watch a news program that has
repeatedly been caught fabricating stories and lying?

I'll bite. I like 60 minutes. Can you give me 2 examples of each
& I promise I'll reconsider watching it. [except for Andy Rooney- his
is an opinion piece so he can say anything he damn well pleases. And
besides he's an excellent woodworker and WWII war correspondent]

Jim

Yep. In the late 80's 60 minutes did a story on unintended
acceleration issues with the Audi. The Audi was finding great success
in the US and Ford, who sponsored 60 minutes at the time wanted to
break their success. They rigged an Audi with a device that caused
the accelerator to jam when the car was shifted into reverse. It was
later proven that the story was false and the National Transportation
Board could find nothing wrong with the Audi. The 60 minutes program
never admitted their fabrication and even repeated the story again
after the facts had been uncovered.

A second episode involved the Chevrolet Pickup truck where it was
reported that a side impact crash would result in an exploding fuel
tank. After repeated attempts to prove the claims, 60 minutes could
not get the tanks to explode so they rigged an explosive device to
cause the tanks to explode. Again, they did not inform the public
when they did their story but claimed the tanks exploded on their own.

So forgive me if as a result of these fabrications I can not accept
anything or any story presented by 60 minutes as anything but a lie.
If you can't trust every story they present, you can't trust any of
them.


reply:

Big deal. They intentionally spent lots of hours and dollars to
present fake journalism. BTW, the slowmo pics of the fireworks going
off underneath the truck after impact to set off the gasoline was
priceless. So, now, you think EVERY news story is fake, concocted, a
put up, or a lie?

I'm with you.

Steve ;-)




don't forget the faked GWBush papers.
60 Minutes and CBS simply cannot be trusted.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 20:11:58 -0800 (PST), BobR
wrote:

Which one, the one he got fired for or the one which vaulted him into
the national limelight to begin with? Rather got his big break onto
the national scene when he reported on race riots in Houston in the
late 60's.

Dan Rather gained fame covering the JFK assassination, (walked a few
blocks to file a report) not some trivial riot in Texas that made him
famous. He is a Texan.

On Jan 3, 5:46*pm, " wrote:
If you expect a fast recovery from the current fiancial troubles you
are living in dream land.

200,000 stores will close this year, and 3000 malls go bankrupt. We
have twice the number of stores our country needs, and many years of
home inventory

Recovery isnt going to be fast or complete

Or cheap.

When you are on borrowed money, you get to pay the interest along with
the principal.

The United States is screwed for a long time.

Thanks George.

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