On Jan 2, 7:25*pm, "Cheri" wrote:
"BobR" wrote in message

...
On Jan 2, 3:13 pm, "Cheri" wrote:





"BobR" wrote in message

news:ea904922-15d2-48c2-916e-

You have a choice, you can keep watching your VHS tapes as long as
they last. Nobody is forcing you to watch anything. Hell I still
have a Beta player and a bunch of Beta tapes that I watch. When I
bought the CD player it was my choice, nobody forced me to buy it. I
may someday buy the BlueRay or not, again my choice. As for the
change over to digital TV, again it is my choice to either watch TV or
not and if I choose to watch, I got my converters for free.

=========

No, I don't have a choice if I want to watch a new movie...since new
movies
do not come in the VHS format. When DVD's first came out, both options
were
available, so I did have a choice. Obviously, nobody forced you to use
common sense when replying either.

Cheri

Yes, you have a choice...don't waste your time watching the damn
movie. *If you don't chose to use common sense and not watch it, don't
bitch about it. *You always have a choice, you just don't like the
available choices and find it easier to bitch about it than make your
silly choice and shut up.

============

You, don't waste time replying to me with your nonsense. You're obviously
one of those people that offers nothing useful, but lives to take your silly
hostilities out on other posters. Do you have any idea how many of you there
are out there? Always looking to slam somebody in newsgroups? People like
you are twice as annoying as any TV signal or DVD.

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I gave you the most useful suggestion possible, quit your bitching and
live with your choices. You are not happy because you want someone to
cry for you and tell you how horrible the world is and how unfair it
is to you. Too bad, I am not going to cuddle you. Grow up and quit
acting like a very annoying child.

"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
I was just fine with Win98 for instance, but nothing supports it anymore,
so
had to upgrade to Vista, which is OK, but certainly not better IMO.

Cheri

I say XP is worse (though tolerable) and Vista is much worse.

I still use both of the Win98's for most stuff, but use Vista for the
internet. I don't hate Vista, but I don't care for it all that much either.
The Windows Mail in Vista is sadly lacking IMO.

Cheri

On Jan 3, 8:03*am, "Cheri" wrote:
"Robert" wrote in message

...

I use what works for me. *Windows 98, PSP5, my 4 year old CRT tv, my
VHS and DVD movies, and my 16 year old pickup truck. *I have no
outstanding debts, and except my latest utility bills, and I can sit
back and enjoy life and my computer and movies without working 3 jobs
to pay for all this crap, and always being in debt and wanting more
because some greedy ******* is wanting to get his filthy hands in my
wallet, by telling me I need more and more and more.....
Some day we will all be buried in our waste, and then we will look
back and wonder why.......

Hear! Hear! And I might add, many drowning in debt with *hayuge* houses they
can't afford, wanting the government to bail them out, but wanting to keep
all their toys in the process. I still live in my starter home, which will
be my ending home as well.:-)

Cheri

Well now you are showing some maturity instead of whining. Good choice
and on this we do agree.

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...

Progress has price. Digital signal needs less power. That is nature of
digital technology. Price of flat panel digital TVs came down a lot.
Time to move on. Or erect an antenna with more gain. Also LCD panel TVs
use lot less power compared to old CRT TVs.

Not according to the article in the paper today. It said:

"Sales of television sets are growing by 4 million a year, the vast majority
of them flat-panels. LCD -- liquid crystal display -- sets use 43% more
electricity, on average, than conventional tube TVs; larger models use
proportionately more. Plasma TVs, which command a relatively small share of
the market, need more than three times as much power as bulky, old-style
sets."

On Jan 3, 12:10*am, Robert wrote:
On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:34:33 -0800 (PST), BobR





wrote:
On Jan 2, 3:13*pm, "Cheri" wrote:
"BobR" wrote in message

news:ea904922-15d2-48c2-916e-

You have a choice, you can keep watching your VHS tapes as long as
they last. *Nobody is forcing you to watch anything. *Hell I still
have a Beta player and a bunch of Beta tapes that I watch. *When I
bought the CD player it was my choice, nobody forced me to buy it. *I
may someday buy the BlueRay or not, again my choice. *As for the
change over to digital TV, again it is my choice to either watch TV or
not and if I choose to watch, I got my converters for free.

=========

No, I don't have a choice if I want to watch a new movie...since new movies
do not come in the VHS format. When DVD's first came out, both options were
available, so I did have a choice. Obviously, nobody forced you to use
common sense when replying either.

Cheri

Yes, you have a choice...don't waste your time watching the damn
movie. *If you don't chose to use common sense and not watch it, don't
bitch about it. *You always have a choice, you just don't like the
available choices and find it easier to bitch about it than make your
silly choice and shut up.

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Go **** yourself, it seems to be the only thing you are capable of
doing.

wrote in message
...
On Jan 3, 9:08?pm, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:46:11 -0600, Robert


"The government of the United States is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

bush has approved of israels attack in gaza, and now a ground war.

israel figures make war while the war monger bush is still in control.

------------

Good for Israel. Hopefully the troublemakers in Gaza will be eliminated.
Let's all hope that Israel continues to clean out Gaza when that new
American leader is in office...

On Jan 3, 5:01*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

I've read that Bush reads many books every year.
He's Harvard and Yale educated,good enough to pass jet-fighter
training(NOT
any easy task),survival school(SERE),and survived flying a dangerous
model
of fighter jet(F-102).

You speak from ignorance and blind hatred.(Bush Derangement Syndrome)

I also hear that he went AWOL, is an alcoholic and is considered the
most unpopular President in history.

And oh yeah....he is handing out trillions of our money to his
friends.

There's a difference between what's provable amongst that which is heard.
Dan Rather claimed Bush went AWOL, and Rather got fired. Bush admitted to
being an alcoholic (reformed). I rather doubt he's the most unpopular
president in history considering Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Jackson, U.S.
Grant, and others.

As for handing out trillions to his friends, give the guy some credit. It
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Yes, back in September everybody and their brother thought it was a
good idea to send $200 billion to fannie/freddy, then $700 billion to
New York (wall street), then another $150 billion in "stimulation
pork", this treasury robbing was a totally non-partisan vote. Except
for the group of republicans who thought market forces should allow
the wall street firms to fail/converge by voting against it. In the
end those republicans will be proven right, there should not have been
any wall street bailouts. If anything the dems were in lock-step in
this corporate welfare give-away.

On Jan 2, 7:58*pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
enigma wrote :





"SteveB" wrote in
:

"enigma" wrote

Of course there is one good thing about 2009, we'll lose BUSH
!!!! A much welcomed loss.......

do you think he'll have a library? if so, what books would it
contain?

At least Bush's books will have words in them.

very small words... he's not exactly literate. he was having a hard
time reading that first grade book on 9/11.
*but seriously, what do ex-presidents put in their libraries?
lee

I've read that Bush reads many books every year.
He's Harvard and Yale educated,good enough to pass jet-fighter training(NOT
any easy task),survival school(SERE),and survived flying a dangerous model
of fighter jet(F-102).

You speak from ignorance and blind hatred.(Bush Derangement Syndrome)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net- Hide quoted text -

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You are wasting your time. People would prefer to be told rosy lies
about change and how everyone will be saved by some miracle.

Cheri wrote:
"Robert" wrote in message
...

I use what works for me. Windows 98, PSP5, my 4 year old CRT tv, my
VHS and DVD movies, and my 16 year old pickup truck. I have no
outstanding debts, and except my latest utility bills, and I can sit
back and enjoy life and my computer and movies without working 3 jobs
to pay for all this crap, and always being in debt and wanting more
because some greedy ******* is wanting to get his filthy hands in my
wallet, by telling me I need more and more and more.....
Some day we will all be buried in our waste, and then we will look
back and wonder why.......

Hear! Hear! And I might add, many drowning in debt with *hayuge* houses
they can't afford, wanting the government to bail them out, but wanting
to keep all their toys in the process. I still live in my starter home,
which will be my ending home as well.:-)

Cheri


Hmmm,
He is part of a problem in a way. Imagine if everyone is like him, what
happens to economy? Older truck pollutes more and it uses more gas. Is
it good for our environment? I always know what I need and what I want.
I don't need to have what I want. People who keep buying what they want
usually get into money trouble sooner or later.

On Jan 2, 6:50*am, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"Robert" wrote in message

...

Welcome to 2009. *The year we lose our TV signals. *What a way to
start the year, knowing in another month and a half, we will lose our
tv reception, unless we subscribe to costly cable or satellite tv. *Oh
yea, they tell us we can get convertors and even give us coupons worth
$40 for the $50 and up boxes that DO NOT work in rural areas, because
the digital signals are under-powered for those in fringe areas.

Progress. At some point in technological life we have to move on and some
are going to be left behind. *You can't buy leaded gas any more either. *You
don't have to subscribe to cable, but you do need a digital TV. * I don't
know how well that will work in your area compared to a box.

I have to wonder how many people will wake up and not have any TV at all and
not have a clue as to why. *They've been talking about it every hour for
months but some will still say *"no one told me"

I know everyone is digital crazy and I feel the odd one out. But I
find these sets
obnoxious. The compression artifacts and the 'crinklyness' of the
whole thing doesn't allow
me to watch anything. I find I'm looking at the technolgy half the
time. I hope this
is the year the set disappears and it's the show I start watching.
(Football games AAAAhhhh. As the depth of field changes, you just get
sucked right
out of the chair. And the grass. If the camera doesn't move it
pointy, and when it
moves, turns into pea soup. And a law should be passed. No closeups
closer than
two or three heads. And damn it!, quit moving the camera all the damn
time)
There. I feel better.

Tony Hwang wrote:
Cheri wrote:
"Robert" wrote in message
...

I use what works for me. Windows 98, PSP5, my 4 year old CRT tv, my
VHS and DVD movies, and my 16 year old pickup truck. I have no
outstanding debts, and except my latest utility bills, and I can sit
back and enjoy life and my computer and movies without working 3 jobs
to pay for all this crap, and always being in debt and wanting more
because some greedy ******* is wanting to get his filthy hands in my
wallet, by telling me I need more and more and more.....
Some day we will all be buried in our waste, and then we will look
back and wonder why.......

Hear! Hear! And I might add, many drowning in debt with *hayuge*
houses they can't afford, wanting the government to bail them out, but
wanting to keep all their toys in the process. I still live in my
starter home, which will be my ending home as well.:-)

Cheri


Hmmm,
He is part of a problem in a way. Imagine if everyone is like him, what
happens to economy? Older truck pollutes more and it uses more gas. Is
it good for our environment? I always know what I need and what I want.
I don't need to have what I want. People who keep buying what they want
usually get into money trouble sooner or later.

Driving an old truck saves a lot of energy if you factor in the energy
that would be required to make a new one.

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

On Jan 2, 11:13*pm, " wrote:
On Jan 2, 8:58 pm, Jim Yanik wrote:





enigma wrote :

"SteveB" wrote in
:

"enigma" wrote

Of course there is one good thing about 2009, we'll lose BUSH
!!!! A much welcomed loss.......

do you think he'll have a library? if so, what books would it
contain?

At least Bush's books will have words in them.

very small words... he's not exactly literate. he was having a hard
time reading that first grade book on 9/11.
but seriously, what do ex-presidents put in their libraries?
lee

I've read that Bush reads many books every year.
He's Harvard and Yale educated,good enough to pass jet-fighter training(NOT
any easy task),survival school(SERE),and survived flying a dangerous model
of fighter jet(F-102).

You speak from ignorance and blind hatred.(Bush Derangement Syndrome)

--
Jim Yanik

Do myou want thje list of bush failures? Katrina? Attacking Iraq for
no good reason. Presiding over the largest stock market and economic
recession since the great depression. theres more.

bush derangment syndrome......

Supporting a obvious FAILURE despite tons of evidence of his complete
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I am getting damn sick of hearing this bull**** about Bush's failure
with Katrina.

First of all, Katrina was the third major Hurricane to hit the US
within two months. That resulted in most of the emergency resources
having already been commited elsewhere and were not easily moved.
Most of those resources were volunteers who had jobs and families to
attend to and were tired and needed a break.

Second, everybody with half a brain knew that New Orleans needed to be
totally evacuated well in advance of Katrina landfall. It was one of
the most stupid decisions by the Mayor of New Orleans that I have ever
witnessed and the only reason he was not raked over the coals for it
was because the media was afraid of saying anything against a black
mayor.

Third, the entire infrastructure of the New Orleans area was rendered
unusable by the storm. Roads into New Orleans were flooded, bridges
were destroyed, electricty was knocked out, and the ability of the
volunteers to reach the area (volunteers who must find their own way
to each disaster) was blocked from every direction.

Fourth, the funds for maintaining the levies in New Orleans were being
syphoned off and used for everything except maintaining and upgrading
the levies. It was far more important to the political establishment
to have that money for casinos and gambling than for maintaining their
city.

Fifth, the city of New Orleans was a sewer long before Katrina hit and
it should have been moved to higher ground long ago. It is one of the
dumbest things imaginable to continue to dump taxpayer funds into that
cess pool when we know that it is impossible to protect New Orleans
against a major storm of Katrina's size. There will be another storm,
maybe this year, maybe not for another decade but it will hit and it
will have the same result.

New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen and it is still waiting
to happen yet again. That was not Bush's fault and neither was the
outcome of this disaster.

On Jan 3, 8:04*am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 3:17*am, Terri wrote:





Robert wrote :

Welcome to 2009. *The year we lose our TV signals. *What a way to
start the year, knowing in another month and a half, we will lose our
tv reception, unless we subscribe to costly cable or satellite tv. *Oh
yea, they tell us we can get convertors and even give us coupons worth
$40 for the $50 and up boxes that DO NOT work in rural areas, because
the digital signals are under-powered for those in fringe areas. *Yea,
i know this first hand. *I got my coupon, bought a $60 box for $20 and
the coupon, and while I used to get 7 channels (occasionally two
more), with the converter box, I get PBS. *

Other than those in areas needing to hear tornado updates on tv I still
fail to see why losing tv signal is any great loss. There's virtually
nothing but crap on both regular AND paid programming and if you've got
a computer and a way to dialup, you can get the news by reading it
rather than listening to some bimbo telling you 24 hour *breaking news*
updates about Anna Nicole Smith or OJ Simpson.

If it were up to me the only time our tv would be on is to play and
watch a DVD.

I guess you never heard of or watched The History Channel, Discovery,
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When did they start broadcasting those over the standard airwaves?
Except fro 60 Minutes the others are only available on Cable or Sat.
As for 60 Minutes, why do you watch a news program that has repeatedly
been caught fabricating stories and lying?

"The Henchman" wrote in news:zLA7l.45911$kG.41981
@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com:




Nosey f'er. Gettin' kind of personal.

Voters in San Francisco, Calif., have a chance to rename
the Oceanside Water Pollution Control Plant to the
George W. Bush Sewage Plant, now that a proposal has
qualified for the November ballot. "It's typical San Francisco
crazies," grumped the chair of the San Francisco Republican Party.
The Presidential Memorial Commission of San Francisco, which
proposed the name change, also suggests that residents served
by the plant perform a "synchronized flush" as a "fitting monument
to this president's work." (San Francisco Chronicle) ...Actually,
the word they actually used only sounded like "fitting".

On Jan 2, 12:46*am, Robert wrote:

It looks like 2009 may end up being NEUTRAL. *We lose an asshole
president and out tv signals.

Happy New Year

Robert

On Jan 3, 10:23�pm, BobR wrote:
On Jan 2, 11:13�pm, " wrote:





On Jan 2, 8:58 pm, Jim Yanik wrote:

enigma wrote :

"SteveB" wrote in
:

"enigma" wrote

Of course there is one good thing about 2009, we'll lose BUSH
!!!! A much welcomed loss.......

do you think he'll have a library? if so, what books would it
contain?

At least Bush's books will have words in them.

very small words... he's not exactly literate. he was having a hard
time reading that first grade book on 9/11.
but seriously, what do ex-presidents put in their libraries?
lee

I've read that Bush reads many books every year.
He's Harvard and Yale educated,good enough to pass jet-fighter training(NOT
any easy task),survival school(SERE),and survived flying a dangerous model
of fighter jet(F-102).

You speak from ignorance and blind hatred.(Bush Derangement Syndrome)

--
Jim Yanik

Do myou want thje list of bush failures? Katrina? Attacking Iraq for
no good reason. Presiding over the largest stock market and economic
recession since the great depression. theres more.

bush derangment syndrome......

Supporting a obvious FAILURE despite tons of evidence of his complete
failure- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am getting damn sick of hearing this bull**** about Bush's failure
with Katrina.

�First of all, Katrina was the third major Hurricane to hit the US
within two months. �That resulted in most of the emergency resources
having already been commited elsewhere and were not easily moved.
Most of those resources were volunteers who had jobs and families to
attend to and were tired and needed a break.

Second, everybody with half a brain knew that New Orleans needed to be
totally evacuated well in advance of Katrina landfall. �It was one of
the most stupid decisions by the Mayor of New Orleans that I have ever
witnessed and the only reason he was not raked over the coals for it
was because the media was afraid of saying anything against a black
mayor.

Third, the entire infrastructure of the New Orleans area was rendered
unusable by the storm. �Roads into New Orleans were flooded, bridges
were destroyed, electricty was knocked out, and the ability of the
volunteers to reach the area (volunteers who must find their own way
to each disaster) was blocked from every direction.

Fourth, the funds for maintaining the levies in New Orleans were being
syphoned off and used for everything except maintaining and upgrading
the levies. �It was far more important to the political establishment
to have that money for casinos and gambling than for maintaining their
city.

Fifth, the city of New Orleans was a sewer long before Katrina hit and
it should have been moved to higher ground long ago. �It is one of the
dumbest things imaginable to continue to dump taxpayer funds into that
cess pool when we know that it is impossible to protect New Orleans
against a major storm of Katrina's size. �There will be another storm,
maybe this year, maybe not for another decade but it will hit and it
will have the same result.

New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen and it is still waiting
to happen yet again. �That was not Bush's fault and neither was the
outcome of this disaster.- Hide quoted text -

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get real bush was all smoke and mirrors, brownie is doing a excellent
job.

the city is still a wreck, perhaps it should be abandoned.

you are part of the 20% of the population still supporting the worst
president our country ever had

Good for Israel. �Hopefully the troublemakers in Gaza will be eliminated.
Let's all hope that Israel continues to clean out Gaza when that new
American leader is in office...


you may not be happy when the war spreads to a regional one, and sends
crude oil price back up and gasoline is 6 bucks a gallon.

the area is destabilized and primed to blow

On Jan 3, 9:14*pm, mm wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:46:11 -0600, Robert

wrote:
Welcome to 2009. *The year we lose our TV signals.

Well, I solved that by getting several antennas and conecing them to
boxes, and they've been running 24 hours a day for almost a year. *I
have plenty of TV signals.

When I lived in the country, my wife wanted to get PBS (Dr. Who).
So I found an old 10ft satellite dish, installed it in a lot of
concrete,
removed the LNA, and put a UHF bowtie at the focal point, ran coax
to the house. We were able to get a suitable picture at three times
further than their deep fringe area. In fact, we called them for a
pledge
drive and they held up three fingers to check to see if we were really
getting the picture.
We also had antennas hanging with yarn in our rafters. Sure beat
having to fix them after a lot of weather exposure. When you live in
a rural area, you do what you need to do.

"Michael B" wrote in message
...
Voters in San Francisco, Calif., have a chance to rename
the Oceanside Water Pollution Control Plant to the
George W. Bush Sewage Plant, now that a proposal has
qualified for the November ballot. "It's typical San Francisco
crazies," grumped the chair of the San Francisco Republican Party.
The Presidential Memorial Commission of San Francisco, which
proposed the name change, also suggests that residents served
by the plant perform a "synchronized flush" as a "fitting monument
to this president's work." (San Francisco Chronicle) ...Actually,
the word they actually used only sounded like "fitting".

************************************************** ***********

So, if you don't like someone, stoop as low as you can to get even. That
sort of thing tend to come back to haunt you.

wrote:
Good for Israel. ?Hopefully the troublemakers in Gaza will be
eliminated. Let's all hope that Israel continues to clean out Gaza
when that new American leader is in office...


you may not be happy when the war spreads to a regional one, and sends
crude oil price back up and gasoline is 6 bucks a gallon.

the area is destabilized and primed to blow

Won't happen - it's the Palestinians.

In 1948, they ran like rabbits to Jordan where they managed to almost ****
up the country. The King evicted them (hence the start of "Black September")
so they went to Lebanon. Lebanon at that time was the Riviera of the Middle
East but the PLO managed to screw up that country so badly it still hasn't
recovered. Israel cleaned out that nest and the PLO moved to Cyprus and
Morocco. From there, they illegally immigrated to, among other places,
Kuwait as hired help. They supported Hussein in his invasion of Kuwait in
the early 90's, but shortly thereafter the Kuwaitis got their revenge.

For 60 years, no Arab or Muslim country has voluntarily taken in any
Palestinian refugees. When Israel turned back the Sinai to Egypt, Egypt
said, "Thanks, but we don't want Gaza. It's full of Palestinians!"

Nobody wants the Palestinians. Nobody likes the Palestinians. Nobody
supports the Palestinians. Nobody is going to go to war with anybody over
the plight of the Palestinians.

Don't worry.

wrote in message
...

Good for Israel. ?Hopefully the troublemakers in Gaza will be eliminated.
Let's all hope that Israel continues to clean out Gaza when that new
American leader is in office...


you may not be happy when the war spreads to a regional one, and sends
crude oil price back up and gasoline is 6 bucks a gallon.

the area is destabilized and primed to blow

-------------

Personally when Oil was 140 a barrell I was worth alot more money than I am
now. I'm not saying I want oil to head higher again, but when it was
really high I was wealthier, at least on paper.

wrote in message
...

Good for Israel. ?Hopefully the troublemakers in Gaza will be eliminated.
Let's all hope that Israel continues to clean out Gaza when that new
American leader is in office...


you may not be happy when the war spreads to a regional one, and sends
crude oil price back up and gasoline is 6 bucks a gallon.

the area is destabilized and primed to blow

----------

And I should mention that I don't own a single oil stock or drilling stock
etc etc. My investments involve little of the energy sector, but when oil
was worth alot of money, the stock market was worth alot too. Expensive
gasoline is no boogeyman to me.

"The Henchman" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

Good for Israel. ?Hopefully the troublemakers in Gaza will be eliminated.
Let's all hope that Israel continues to clean out Gaza when that new
American leader is in office...


you may not be happy when the war spreads to a regional one, and sends
crude oil price back up and gasoline is 6 bucks a gallon.

the area is destabilized and primed to blow

-------------

Personally when Oil was 140 a barrell I was worth alot more money than I
am now. I'm not saying I want oil to head higher again, but when it was
really high I was wealthier, at least on paper.


I cold buy a lot of gas for the $ 100,000 I have lost in my 401K and some
other stock.
That is not counting the other 20 to 40 K that I should have made in the
last year or so that the stock has been dropping instead of making money.

aemeijers wrote in
:

Steve Barker wrote:
first of all, i'd never have a house that close to me. IF i did by
some brain lapse, i'd merely make an agreement with the neighbor to
mount it on his house on the other side or whatever needed to be
done.

Talk about hand-waving. I certainly wouldn't be inclined to let a
neighbor mount a dish on my house, nor would I presume to ask if I
could mount one on his. The contractual situation with Dish aside
(they take a very dim view of the hardware extending beyond the
property line, even if you swear you aren't sharing signal), the
insurance liability and potential resale problems make the idea a
non-starter.

Either that, or your neighbors are a whole lot more accommodating than
the ones around here.

--
aem sends...


no reason you can't mount the dish on a pad on the ground where you have a
clear line of sight.Bury the coax in a shallow trench.
Or just pound a post into the ground;that is what some of the tenants in my
apt.complex do,because they aren't allowed to attach directly to the
building,just on their patios.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"The Henchman" wrote in
:


wrote in message
.
.. On Jan 3, 9:08?pm, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:46:11 -0600, Robert


"The government of the United States is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

bush has approved of israels attack in gaza, and now a ground war.

israel figures make war while the war monger bush is still in control.

------------

Good for Israel. Hopefully the troublemakers in Gaza will be
eliminated. Let's all hope that Israel continues to clean out Gaza
when that new American leader is in office...




When Israel isn't being rocketed,mortared or homicide-bombed,they are very
peaceful.Wheh Israel withdrew from Gaza,they were "rewarded" with
rocket,mortar attacks on nearby cities.
They HAD to blockade Gaza to keep Hamas from bringing in more rockets and
bombs. After all,Hamas IS in a state-of-war with Israel.Blockades are legit
during wartime.And yet Israel STILL supplies electricity and other
humanitarian aid to Gaza.(and gets more rockets in return...)


Let's hope Obama doesn't sell out Israel.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"The Henchman" wrote in
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wrote in message
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Good for Israel. ?Hopefully the troublemakers in Gaza will be
eliminated. Let's all hope that Israel continues to clean out Gaza
when that new American leader is in office...


you may not be happy when the war spreads to a regional one, and sends
crude oil price back up and gasoline is 6 bucks a gallon.

the area is destabilized and primed to blow


The area NEVER WAS "stabilized".


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Personally when Oil was 140 a barrell I was worth alot more money than
I am now. I'm not saying I want oil to head higher again, but when
it was really high I was wealthier, at least on paper.






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On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:26:09 -0800 (PST), Michael B
wrote:

On Jan 3, 9:14*pm, mm wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:46:11 -0600, Robert

wrote:
Welcome to 2009. *The year we lose our TV signals.

Well, I solved that by getting several antennas and conecing them to
boxes, and they've been running 24 hours a day for almost a year. *I
have plenty of TV signals.

When I lived in the country, my wife wanted to get PBS (Dr. Who).
So I found an old 10ft satellite dish, installed it in a lot of
concrete,
removed the LNA, and put a UHF bowtie at the focal point, ran coax
to the house. We were able to get a suitable picture at three times
further than their deep fringe area. In fact, we called them for a
pledge
drive and they held up three fingers to check to see if we were really
getting the picture.
We also had antennas hanging with yarn in our rafters. Sure beat
having to fix them after a lot of weather exposure. When you live in
a rural area, you do what you need to do.

Very cool.

On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:13:05 -0800, wrote:

On Jan 3, 7:36�pm, Larry Caldwell
wrote:
In article ,
(Robert) says...

while I used to get 7 channels (occasionally two more), with the
converter box, I get PBS. �That's it.

Many stations are not broadcasting a digital signal, and won't until
February. �Other stations are using low power backup transmitters.
�When they turn off the analog signal, they will start feeding the
digital programming through their primary transmitters, and your
receptions will be as good as it ever was, except a lot clearer, with
sub-channels. �

I realize that things you don't understand are scary, but you should
wait to complain until you see what you are getting. �

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For email, replace firstnamelastinitial with my first name and last
initial.

show me a cite they arent broadcasting digital at this time. the feds
required all regular stations being digital over a year ago.

your info is way out of date

Agree and disagree. Even the proponents of digital transmission
acknowledged from the get-go that those already using an outdoor
antenna to get fringe VHS stations would be unlikely to get usable digital
reception. Also, stations aren't required to broadcast digital at the
same level as they did analog. I've forgotten the exact number, but
something like 15% aren't going to.

Otoh, there are a few stations that applied for and were granted
exemptions from doing a digital broadcasting trial. One of the two
stations I'll still be able to get falls in that category. Considering
that it appear to be in borderline financial condition, I'm not
expecting them to make the changeover date.

On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:09:51 -0500, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Tony Hwang wrote:
Cheri wrote:
"Robert" wrote in message
...

I use what works for me. Windows 98, PSP5, my 4 year old CRT tv, my
VHS and DVD movies, and my 16 year old pickup truck. I have no
outstanding debts, and except my latest utility bills, and I can sit
back and enjoy life and my computer and movies without working 3 jobs
to pay for all this crap, and always being in debt and wanting more
because some greedy ******* is wanting to get his filthy hands in my
wallet, by telling me I need more and more and more.....
Some day we will all be buried in our waste, and then we will look
back and wonder why.......

Hear! Hear! And I might add, many drowning in debt with *hayuge*
houses they can't afford, wanting the government to bail them out, but
wanting to keep all their toys in the process. I still live in my
starter home, which will be my ending home as well.:-)

Cheri


Hmmm,
He is part of a problem in a way. Imagine if everyone is like him, what
happens to economy? Older truck pollutes more and it uses more gas. Is
it good for our environment? I always know what I need and what I want.
I don't need to have what I want. People who keep buying what they want
usually get into money trouble sooner or later.

Driving an old truck saves a lot of energy if you factor in the energy
that would be required to make a new one.

nate

TRUE, and most people do not know that the first cars, like the model
T Ford, got around 3mph. Even the heavy large cars in the 1950's were
not too bad on milage. Now we got all these luxury items in cars that
just suck the gas milage. Then they add all the polution controls,
and more milage is lost. I do agree with clean air, but not if the
process causes more gas waste. I always wondered about the facts they
claim. Fo example, if a car emits 1000ppm of pollution for each
gallon of gas, but only gets 10 miles to the gallon, then a car that
emits 1500ppm pollution, but gets 20mpg, is less polluting. Of course
they dotn tell us this stuff.

And constantly replacing tvs, computers, phones, dvd players, etc also
requires a lot of energy to manufacture new ones. For example, why
must people keep buying entire new computers, rather than just change
the CPU to upgrade? Of course we all know it's because the
manufacturers do not make the motherboards upgradable, and then every
few years they change the whole case and power supply. Like from AT
to ATX, etc. Of course WE as homeowners are constantly told to
conserve energy. So we buy a new refrigerator or computer which will
save $20 worth of energy per year, but how much energy is used to
manufacture that new item? It's not really about saving energy, it's
about making sales for these companies. As always, we as consumers
are being lied to.

Robert

On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:29:05 -0600, Robert wrote:
...
And constantly replacing tvs, computers, phones, dvd players, etc also
requires a lot of energy to manufacture new ones. For example, why must
people keep buying entire new computers, rather than just change the CPU
to upgrade? Of course we all know it's because the manufacturers do not
make the motherboards upgradable, and then every few years they change the
whole case and power supply. Like from AT to ATX, etc. Of course WE as
homeowners are constantly told to conserve energy. So we buy a new
refrigerator or computer which will save $20 worth of energy per year, but
how much energy is used to manufacture that new item? It's not really
about saving energy, it's about making sales for these companies. As
always, we as consumers are being lied to.

Robert

Imo, most people buy new computers for the convenience of it. They don't
cost that much, perform better, are more energy efficient, usually
have a new OS, and are ready to use. (Yes, I know that if the new OS is
Vista, that may not be a "good thing".) If one is DIY inclined, one can
use the existing case/PS, hard drive, and peripherals - and get a mobo,
dual-core cpu, and memory for less than $200.

On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:27:04 -0600, Robert
wrote:

[snip]

I cant understand why people want those huge houses? This little
224ft addition I want to build would only be a bathroom in one of
those places, and there are likely 3 or more other bathrooms. Hell, I
only got one asshole to take a **** with, and only spend a few minutes
on the toilet every day. That leaves 23 hours and some minutes for
any other asshole in the house to use the toilet. Why the hell does
any average family full of assholes need more than one toilet, much
less multiple baths. I have never lived in any house with more than
one toilet. Oh yea, there are occasionally those bad moments when teo
people need to use it at the same time, but hell, if it gets that bad,
I can always go outside and "rough it" a few moments out of a
lifetime. That sure beats having to pay to heat and clean 5
bathrooms.


When I was growing up, I lived in a small 1-bathroom house on a farm.
It was more than 300 feet from the road and surrounded by trees. Both
the back and front yards were extra bathrooms.

We live in a world of bloat and extremism. We need to get back to our
roots and a simpler life. Getting back to the TV. To me, it's just a
thing to obtain some news, weather, football, and watch some mindless
sitcoms and other nonsense. Much of the programming is lousy, but I
still like to have it on when I am online or just relaxing. Once and
awhile I get more serious about the TV and watch a movie. But I dont
need a big screen HDTV (dont have the room for one anyhow). I dont
need surround sound, in fact I rarely like to have the sound on loud,
because the minute I do, someone is at the door, and I wont hear them.

I don't have surround sound either, and don't feel a need for it.
Anyway, it'd be hard to find the right places for the 6 speakers.

Just give me a plain old tv with about a 20 inch picture and a speaker
or two. I'm happy !!!

Robert
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The government of the United States is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

BobR wrote:

-snip-

As for 60 Minutes, why do you watch a news program that has repeatedly
been caught fabricating stories and lying?

I'll bite. I like 60 minutes. Can you give me 2 examples of each
& I promise I'll reconsider watching it. [except for Andy Rooney- his
is an opinion piece so he can say anything he damn well pleases. And
besides he's an excellent woodworker and WWII war correspondent]

Jim

On Jan 3, 2:14*pm, bud-- wrote:
wrote:

And BTW, I'm sick and tired of guys like you claiming Bush lied about
Iraq. * He didn't lie, but you are. * At the time Bush made the
decision to go to war, most of the Democrats were spouting the same
lines about WMDs.

The Bush administration was filled with neocons that wanted to "get"
Sadam since a little after the Gulf War (example Project for the New
American Century). The decision to "get" Sadam was virtually made just
after 9-11 (source Secretary of the Treasury Paul O'Neil and National
Security Adviser Richard Clarke). The administration threw up a series
of justifications, none of which worked. Until they got to WMDs.

The point here is that there WERE justifications. For example, Sadam
only started partial cooperation with the UN weapons inspectors after
200,000 troops were stages and ready to invade. Even then, Hans
Blix, in his final report, made it clear that Iraq was STILL NOT FULLY
COOPERATING. So, sure, in post 911, it's not entirely unexpected
for a president to tend to worry about what is really going on, what
will happen when the troops are brought back and the shell game
continues. And to take any intelligence in the most sinister view.
Sadam sure acted like a guy hiding some secret WMD programs.

As I said before, what would have happened had Sadam had WMDs and
later some of them were used? The libs would be demanding his
impeachement, because there was adequate reason to act (see above),
yet Bush did nothing. 20-20 hindsight is convenient, ain't it?

You can argue whether the justifications were sufficient to go to
war. I don't know what I would have done, presented with the same
intelligence and world scenario. But my main point here is that
making a tough decsion with what info you had in the post 911
timeframe is very different than lying about going to war. If Bush
was lying, I'd like to hear from hallerb, what exactly it was that
Bill and Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, Peolosi, Biden and many other
Democrats who were relying on the same intelligence and making very
similar statements about Iraq were doing. How is it they get a pass,
while Bush is supposed to be a liar?




Because the traditional intelligence agencies weren't producing the
answers that were desired, a lot of 'intelligence' was moved into the
DOD under the control of the neocons.

A baseless charge.



They come up with such gems as
"curveball" and "yellowcake from Niger", both of which had been
discredited in other US intelligence circles.

Funny thing, after the invasion they didn't find WMDs. But they did
find plenty of yellow cake uranium. So for all we know, it could very
will indeed have come from Niger. No one every said for sure it
didn't. Joe Wilson only said he couldn't confirm that it came from
Niger. You really expect it to be that easy to confirm? Like he
just goes over there and asks and gets an answer? So, after Sadam
is removed it's found that Iraq did indeed have a HUGE STOCKPILE OF
YELLOWCAKE URANIUM, and you want to bitch about whether intelligence
was right about where it came from? You want a frigging receipt and
pictures of it being shipped too?



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq
Last major stockpile from Saddam's nuclear efforts arrives in Canada
updated 6:57 p.m. ET, Sat., July. 5, 2008

"The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge
stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port
Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week
airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for
higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward
closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief
to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach
insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear
ambitions."



George Tenet had to decide
whether to be the intelligence chief or associate of the president. He
made the wrong choice. Very few in congress, Democrat or Republican,
looked at the actual intelligence (classified information was available).

Funny how those in Congress aren't accused of anything. Hallerb, are
your there? Only Bush is supposed to be a liar. Actually, I think
enough of them did look at intelligence that if they didn't like it,
they had plenty of opportunity to spread the word and make their
case. In fact, instead the majority voted to go to war.



(The neocons also made the disastrous decisions after we "won" the war.)

And the Bush administration created the belief that Sadam had something
to do with 9-11. If asked directly, Bush says there was no connection.

Yep, he sure did.



But there is a reason (including Cheney) why a high percentage of
Americans still believe this lie.

(I am not interested in discussing this. There are many people that live
in an alternate reality - not aimed at trader.)

Apparently you are interested in discussing it, otherwise you wouldn't
have posted this, would you?

saddam was exactly what that part of the world needed. brutal dictator
who also happened to act as control rods for iran.

his claim of WMDs made perfect military sense it kept iran at bay.

when historians look back, if anyone is able to look back, bush will
be resonsible for the coming world war begining in the mid east.

heck bush even managed to restart the cold war with russia

few presidents restart cold war, preside over a economic dump nearly
as large as the great depression, go to war unnecessarily, plus
dramatically erode our constitution, all in 8 years.

HeyBub wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I've read that Bush reads many books every year.
He's Harvard and Yale educated,good enough to pass jet-fighter
training(NOT
any easy task),survival school(SERE),and survived flying a dangerous
model
of fighter jet(F-102).

You speak from ignorance and blind hatred.(Bush Derangement Syndrome)

I also hear that he went AWOL, is an alcoholic and is considered the
most unpopular President in history.

And oh yeah....he is handing out trillions of our money to his
friends.


There's a difference between what's provable amongst that which is heard.
Dan Rather claimed Bush went AWOL, and Rather got fired. Bush admitted to
being an alcoholic (reformed). I rather doubt he's the most unpopular
president in history considering Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Jackson, U.S.
Grant, and others.ds.

As for handing out trillions to his friends, give the guy some credit. It
would be really stupid to hand out money to his enemies.


Naw, he would be applauded for trying to be honest. Acting only in the
interest of some select friends is just plain wrong.

On Jan 4, 10:19�am, George wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I've read that Bush reads many books every year.
He's Harvard and Yale educated,good enough to pass jet-fighter
training(NOT
any easy task),survival school(SERE),and survived flying a dangerous
model
of fighter jet(F-102).

You speak from ignorance and blind hatred.(Bush Derangement Syndrome)

I also hear that he went AWOL, is an alcoholic and is considered the
most unpopular President in history.

And oh yeah....he is handing out trillions of our money to his
friends.

There's a difference between what's provable amongst that which is heard.
Dan Rather claimed Bush went AWOL, and Rather got fired. Bush admitted to
being an alcoholic (reformed). I rather doubt he's the most unpopular
president in history considering Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Jackson, U.S.
Grant, and others.ds.

As for handing out trillions to his friends, give the guy some credit. It
would be really stupid to hand out money to his enemies.

Naw, he would be applauded for trying to be honest. Acting only in the
interest of some select friends is just plain wrong.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

yeah his oil buddies and military industrilal complex all made big
bucks.

bush took good care of his buddies, at the cost of a bunch of american
lives.


worse busg discredited our nationa.

others hate our country over things like GITMO, they look at our
country as the neighborhood bully

Why has this thread drifted from TV signals to politics? Perhaps it's that
last couple of sentences the original troll threw in there about Bush. The
only stupider person on this planet than George W. Bush is Alfred E. Obama.

Steve

blah , blah blah. liability... ya ok. resale. not an issue. more bs
more bs bs bs bs.....

just go without tv then. you're too paranoid to watch it anyway.

s


"aemeijers" wrote in message
...

Talk about hand-waving. I certainly wouldn't be inclined to let a
neighbor mount a dish on my house, nor would I presume to ask if I could
mount one on his. The contractual situation with Dish aside (they take a
very dim view of the hardware extending beyond the property line, even if
you swear you aren't sharing signal), the insurance liability and
potential resale problems make the idea a non-starter.

Either that, or your neighbors are a whole lot more accommodating than the
ones around here.

--
aem sends...

if the OP can't get cable or dish, i'm sure he was on a library computer
posting his message. He CERTAINLY can't get internet at his house either.

s

"Terri" wrote in message
...
Jim Elbrecht wrote in
:

BobR wrote:

-snip-

As for 60 Minutes, why do you watch a news program that has repeatedly
been caught fabricating stories and lying?

I'll bite. I like 60 minutes. Can you give me 2 examples of each
& I promise I'll reconsider watching it. [except for Andy Rooney- his
is an opinion piece so he can say anything he damn well pleases. And
besides he's an excellent woodworker and WWII war correspondent]

Before this thread turns entirely into a Nelson ratings on current
programming I'll only add that the OP can go here to see such shows
without
paying additional money for a converter box:

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60mi...main3415.shtml

Steve Barker wrote:
if the OP can't get cable or dish, i'm sure he was on a library computer
posting his message. He CERTAINLY can't get internet at his house either.

s
Dialup still exists. I'd probably give up Internet if I had to go back
to it for more than very occasional emergency backup use, but it is out
there. If somebody only uses Usenet, or the few remaining
properly-designed websites that don't depend on Flash or similar useless
toys, you CAN live with dialup. I've been on the 'net since the mid-80s,
and only broke down and got DSL 2 years ago, when my ISP outsourced
their PoP to a place I could only get a 28.8 connection to.

(There are days I think that I SHOULD cancel the Satt and DSL. 90 bucks
a month would stay in my pocket, and I might actually make a dent in the
backed-up household chores and several years worth of unread books and
magazines.)

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aem sends...