Hello, *I am thinking of buying a chandelier for my dining room and
have found my 'dream' chandelier at an auction in Virginia (far
away). *However, this chandelier happens to be a bit bigger than what
I'm accustomed to and wanted to get your advice as to whether I
should
go for it or not.
My dining room is 12' 8" x 13' 5" with 8' 8" ceilings and the
chandelier is a sort of chunky brass thing 30" tall by 32" diameter -
Chapman Brass Chandelier in the Chippendale taste, electrified, with
six scroll arm branches and a central turned and paneled column with
a
ball pendant. *It is not new or shiny and would go well with my
ecclectic / rustic furniture.
My question is: do you think this chandelier would be too big for my
dining room? And might it be too heavy (27 Ib) for the ceiling (old
farm house)
Any advice would be very appreciated!
--Elena

elened wrote:

Hello, *I am thinking of buying a chandelier for my dining room and
have found my 'dream' chandelier at an auction in Virginia (far
away). *However, this chandelier happens to be a bit bigger than what
I'm accustomed to and wanted to get your advice as to whether I
should go for it or not.
My dining room is 12' 8" x 13' 5" with 8' 8" ceilings and the
chandelier is a sort of chunky brass thing 30" tall by 32" diameter -
Chapman Brass Chandelier in the Chippendale taste, electrified, with
six scroll arm branches and a central turned and paneled column with
a ball pendant. *It is not new or shiny and would go well with my
ecclectic / rustic furniture.
My question is: do you think this chandelier would be too big for my
dining room? And might it be too heavy (27 Ib) for the ceiling (old
farm house)
Any advice would be very appreciated!

The scale and size is a decorating thing, and I stay out of those
issues.

If you want to try it first, make a cardboard mock-up the same size and
hang it from the ceiling with duck tape. Move it higher and lower.
Stand back and look at how it fills the room. If you like it, hang the
real thing.

27 pounds is a fairly light chandelier. I took one down last month that
had to be more like 75 pounds. In any case:
* Take down the existing fixture and look inside the ceiling. If
you're lucky, the junction box will be screwed to a strong joist. You
probably won't be lucky. ;-)
* If you can get to the fixture from the attic, you life just got
easier. Buy a new junction box that's designed for chandeliers. Put
some 2" blocking in. Fasten the J-box to the blocking. Feed the old
wires into the new J-box. Bob's your uncle.
* If you don't have attic access, go talk to the people at a lighting
supply store. They'll have a fixture that you can feed through the
existing hole and screw into the joists on either side. Some of them
come with a J-box already attached.
* If all else fails, call a handyman ($) or electrician ($$) to
install it for you.

--
Steve Bell
New Life Home Improvement
Arlington, TX

"elened" wrote in message
...
Hello, I am thinking of buying a chandelier for my dining room and
have found my 'dream' chandelier at an auction in Virginia (far
away). However, this chandelier happens to be a bit bigger than what
I'm accustomed to and wanted to get your advice as to whether I
should go for it or not.

My dining room is 12' 8" x 13' 5" with 8' 8" ceilings and the
chandelier is a sort of chunky brass thing 30" tall by 32" diameter -
Chapman Brass Chandelier in the Chippendale taste, electrified, with
six scroll arm branches and a central turned and paneled column with
a ball pendant. It is not new or shiny and would go well with my
ecclectic / rustic furniture.
My question is: do you think this chandelier would be too big for my
dining room? And might it be too heavy (27 Ib) for the ceiling (old
farm house)
Any advice would be very appreciated!
--Elena

Assuming that your table is full size (at least 40" wide) it should be
OKAY. Your opinion is the only one that really matters.

Mine is 27" wide and about 30" tall in a smaller room with 8' ceiling.

Most people buy and install something that is far too small for the room
because the bigger ones cost too much.

I can't see it from here, you may be able to from the attic; the older boxes
MAY BE far more secure and sturdy than more recent ones. In most 60 year
and older installations a scrap of wood was run between the joist and the
metal box was secured to that. Later installs use a metal bracket and the
newest are just plastic boxes nailed to a joist.

BTW, the "proper height" is 30" above the table. A lot of folks hang them
much too high also.


--
Colbyt
Please come visit www.househomerepair.com

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"elened" wrote in message
...
Hello, I am thinking of buying a chandelier for my dining room and
have found my 'dream' chandelier at an auction in Virginia (far
away). However, this chandelier happens to be a bit bigger than what
I'm accustomed to and wanted to get your advice as to whether I
should go for it or not.

My dining room is 12' 8" x 13' 5" with 8' 8" ceilings and the
chandelier is a sort of chunky brass thing 30" tall by 32" diameter -
Chapman Brass Chandelier in the Chippendale taste, electrified, with
six scroll arm branches and a central turned and paneled column with
a ball pendant. It is not new or shiny and would go well with my
ecclectic / rustic furniture.
My question is: do you think this chandelier would be too big for my
dining room? And might it be too heavy (27 Ib) for the ceiling (old
farm house)
Any advice would be very appreciated!
--Elena

Assuming that your table is full size (at least 40" wide) it should be
OKAY. Your opinion is the only one that really matters.

Mine is 27" wide and about 30" tall in a smaller room with 8' ceiling.

Most people buy and install something that is far too small for the room
because the bigger ones cost too much.

I can't see it from here, you may be able to from the attic; the older
boxes MAY BE far more secure and sturdy than more recent ones. In most 60
year and older installations a scrap of wood was run between the joist and
the metal box was secured to that. Later installs use a metal bracket
and the newest are just plastic boxes nailed to a joist.

BTW, the "proper height" is 30" above the table. A lot of folks hang
them much too high also.


--
Colbyt
Please come visit www.househomerepair.com

If it looks good to you, go for it. I wouldn't be to concerned about the
weight. Garden variety ceiling boxes are good for something like 35 pounds,
and old boxes, either screwed to framing or attached to a steel bar are very
strong

RBM wrote:
"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...
"elened" wrote in message
...
Hello, I am thinking of buying a chandelier for my dining room and
have found my 'dream' chandelier at an auction in Virginia (far
away). However, this chandelier happens to be a bit bigger than what
I'm accustomed to and wanted to get your advice as to whether I
should go for it or not.

My dining room is 12' 8" x 13' 5" with 8' 8" ceilings and the
chandelier is a sort of chunky brass thing 30" tall by 32" diameter -
Chapman Brass Chandelier in the Chippendale taste, electrified, with
six scroll arm branches and a central turned and paneled column with
a ball pendant. It is not new or shiny and would go well with my
ecclectic / rustic furniture.
My question is: do you think this chandelier would be too big for my
dining room? And might it be too heavy (27 Ib) for the ceiling (old
farm house)
Any advice would be very appreciated!
--Elena

Assuming that your table is full size (at least 40" wide) it should be
OKAY. Your opinion is the only one that really matters.

Mine is 27" wide and about 30" tall in a smaller room with 8' ceiling.

Most people buy and install something that is far too small for the room
because the bigger ones cost too much.

I can't see it from here, you may be able to from the attic; the older
boxes MAY BE far more secure and sturdy than more recent ones. In most 60
year and older installations a scrap of wood was run between the joist and
the metal box was secured to that. Later installs use a metal bracket
and the newest are just plastic boxes nailed to a joist.

BTW, the "proper height" is 30" above the table. A lot of folks hang
them much too high also.


--
Colbyt
Please come visit www.househomerepair.com

If it looks good to you, go for it. I wouldn't be to concerned about the
weight. Garden variety ceiling boxes are good for something like 35 pounds,
and old boxes, either screwed to framing or attached to a steel bar are very
strong




There are ceiling fan boxes that can be installed without cutting a
larger hole in the ceiling. like this:

http://www.idealtruevalue.com/servlet/the-7637/Detail

nate

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On Sep 25, 6:46*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
RBM wrote:
"Colbyt" wrote in message
om...
"elened" wrote in message
....
Hello, I am thinking of buying a chandelier for my dining room and
have found my 'dream' chandelier at an auction in Virginia (far
away). However, this chandelier happens to be a bit bigger than what
I'm accustomed to and wanted to get your advice as to whether I
should go for it or not.

My dining room is 12' 8" x 13' 5" with 8' 8" ceilings and the
chandelier is a sort of chunky brass thing 30" tall by 32" diameter -
Chapman Brass Chandelier in the Chippendale taste, electrified, with
six scroll arm branches and a central turned and paneled column with
a ball pendant. It is not new or shiny and would go well with my
ecclectic / rustic furniture.
My question is: do you think this chandelier would be too big for my
dining room? *And might it be too heavy (27 Ib) for the ceiling (old
farm house)
Any advice would be very appreciated!
--Elena

Assuming that your table is full size (at least 40" wide) *it should be
OKAY. * Your opinion is the only one that really matters.

Mine is 27" wide and about 30" tall in a *smaller room with 8' ceiling.

Most people buy and install something that is far too small for the room
because the bigger ones cost too much.

I can't see it from here, you may be able to from the attic; the older
boxes MAY BE far more secure and sturdy than more recent ones. *In most 60
year and older installations a scrap of wood was run between the joist and
the metal *box was secured to that. *Later installs use a metal bracket
and the newest are just plastic boxes nailed to a joist.

BTW, the "proper height" *is 30" above the table. *A lot of folks hang
them much too high also.

--
Colbyt
Please come visit *www.househomerepair.com

If it looks good to you, go for it. I wouldn't be to concerned about the
weight. Garden variety ceiling boxes are good for something like 35 pounds,
and old boxes, either screwed to framing or attached to a steel bar are very
strong

There are ceiling fan boxes that can be installed without cutting a
larger hole in the ceiling. *like this:

http://www.idealtruevalue.com/servlet/the-7637/Detail

nate

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You are all wonderful. Thanks so much for the advice. You put me at
ease. And the chandelier is replacing a ceiling fan so I'm assuming
the box should be adequate - in any case, I'll make it work.

Again, thank a lot! --Elena

On Sep 26, 9:37*am, elened wrote:
On Sep 25, 6:46*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:





RBM wrote:
"Colbyt" wrote in message
om...
"elened" wrote in message
....
Hello, I am thinking of buying a chandelier for my dining room and
have found my 'dream' chandelier at an auction in Virginia (far
away). However, this chandelier happens to be a bit bigger than what
I'm accustomed to and wanted to get your advice as to whether I
should go for it or not.

My dining room is 12' 8" x 13' 5" with 8' 8" ceilings and the
chandelier is a sort of chunky brass thing 30" tall by 32" diameter -
Chapman Brass Chandelier in the Chippendale taste, electrified, with
six scroll arm branches and a central turned and paneled column with
a ball pendant. It is not new or shiny and would go well with my
ecclectic / rustic furniture.
My question is: do you think this chandelier would be too big for my
dining room? *And might it be too heavy (27 Ib) for the ceiling (old
farm house)
Any advice would be very appreciated!
--Elena

Assuming that your table is full size (at least 40" wide) *it should be
OKAY. * Your opinion is the only one that really matters.

Mine is 27" wide and about 30" tall in a *smaller room with 8' ceiling.

Most people buy and install something that is far too small for the room
because the bigger ones cost too much.

I can't see it from here, you may be able to from the attic; the older
boxes MAY BE far more secure and sturdy than more recent ones. *In most 60
year and older installations a scrap of wood was run between the joist and
the metal *box was secured to that. *Later installs use a metal bracket
and the newest are just plastic boxes nailed to a joist.

BTW, the "proper height" *is 30" above the table. *A lot of folks hang
them much too high also.

--
Colbyt
Please come visit *www.househomerepair.com

If it looks good to you, go for it. I wouldn't be to concerned about the
weight. Garden variety ceiling boxes are good for something like 35 pounds,
and old boxes, either screwed to framing or attached to a steel bar are very
strong

There are ceiling fan boxes that can be installed without cutting a
larger hole in the ceiling. *like this:

http://www.idealtruevalue.com/servlet/the-7637/Detail

nate

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You are all wonderful. *Thanks so much for the advice. *You put me at
ease. *And the chandelier is replacing a ceiling fan so I'm assuming
the box should be adequate - in any case, I'll make it work.

Again, thank a lot!

Elena,

I believe that a fan-rated box is rated for 75 lbs. static load, so
you should be good. When you pull the fan down just check and make
sure that the screws holding it up are larger than the typical
electrical box screws - I think normal ones are 6-32 and fan rated
boxes use 8-32 or 10-32. Or you might even see some verbiage stamped
in the box such as "suitable for ceiling fan use." If you see
something like that you should be good to go.

good luck

nate

On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:13:47 -0700 (PDT), elened
wrote:

Hello, *I am thinking of buying a chandelier for my dining room and
have found my 'dream' chandelier at an auction in Virginia (far
away). *However, this chandelier happens to be a bit bigger than what
I'm accustomed to and wanted to get your advice as to whether I
should
go for it or not.
My dining room is 12' 8" x 13' 5" with 8' 8" ceilings and the
chandelier is a sort of chunky brass thing 30" tall by 32" diameter -
Chapman Brass Chandelier in the Chippendale taste, electrified, with
six scroll arm branches and a central turned and paneled column with
a
ball pendant. *It is not new or shiny and would go well with my
ecclectic / rustic furniture.
My question is: do you think this chandelier would be too big for my
dining room? And might it be too heavy (27 Ib) for the ceiling (old
farm house)
Any advice would be very appreciated!
--Elena


It doesn't sound unreasonable, but making a "paper chandelier" on a
string will you a better idea if it might be overwhelming. If you
found the "chandelier of your dream" chances are good you won't go
wrong, especially if you have given it some thought over several days.

On Thu 25 Sep 2008 02:13:47p, elened told us...

Hello, *I am thinking of buying a chandelier for my dining room and
have found my 'dream' chandelier at an auction in Virginia (far
away). *However, this chandelier happens to be a bit bigger than what
I'm accustomed to and wanted to get your advice as to whether I
should
go for it or not.
My dining room is 12' 8" x 13' 5" with 8' 8" ceilings and the
chandelier is a sort of chunky brass thing 30" tall by 32" diameter -
Chapman Brass Chandelier in the Chippendale taste, electrified, with
six scroll arm branches and a central turned and paneled column with
a
ball pendant. *It is not new or shiny and would go well with my
ecclectic / rustic furniture.
My question is: do you think this chandelier would be too big for my
dining room? And might it be too heavy (27 Ib) for the ceiling (old
farm house)
Any advice would be very appreciated!
--Elena


There's nothing wrong with using an oversized fixture over a table in the
dining room, and of course, making it a focal point. The fixture does need
to hang high enough to allow at least 32" clearance between the bottom of
the fixture and the table top.

As to the weight, you may possibly need to reinforce the junction box,
depending on how solidly it was originally mounted.


--
Wayne Boatwright

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Date: Saturday, 09(IX)/27(XXVII)/08(MMVIII)
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Countdown till Veteran's Day
6wks 2dys 7hrs 19mins
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On Sep 27, 6:47*pm, Wayne Boatwright
wrote:
On Thu 25 Sep 2008 02:13:47p, elened told us...





Hello, *I am thinking of buying a chandelier for my dining room and
have found my 'dream' chandelier at an auction in Virginia (far
away). *However, this chandelier happens to be a bit bigger than what
I'm accustomed to and wanted to get your advice as to whether I
should
go for it or not.
My dining room is 12' 8" x 13' 5" with 8' 8" ceilings and the
chandelier is a sort of chunky brass thing 30" tall by 32" diameter -
Chapman Brass Chandelier in the Chippendale taste, electrified, with
six scroll arm branches and a central turned and paneled column with
a
ball pendant. *It is not new or shiny and would go well with my
ecclectic / rustic furniture.
My question is: do you think this chandelier would be too big for my
dining room? *And might it be too heavy (27 Ib) for the ceiling (old
farm house)
Any advice would be very appreciated!
--Elena

There's nothing wrong with using an oversized fixture over a table in the
dining room, and of course, making it a focal point. *The fixture does need
to hang high enough to allow at least 32" clearance between the bottom of
the fixture and the table top.

As to the weight, you may possibly need to reinforce the junction box,
depending on how solidly it was originally mounted.

--
* * * * * * *Wayne Boatwright * * * * * *

*******************************************
Date: Saturday, 09(IX)/27(XXVII)/08(MMVIII)
*******************************************
* * * *Countdown till Veteran's Day * * *
* * * * * 6wks 2dys 7hrs 19mins * * * * *
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*I will not fake seizures. --Bart Simpson
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I'm so sad. The chandelier went for too much at the auction. I
wasn't able to get it. I stuck in there for as long as I could - I
was the last out of 14 to drop out.... Oh well, there will be other
possibilities, even if months down the road. It's something to look
forward to, right? Thanks all for the wonderful advice. It was just
what I needed, and it will still be of much value when I one day do
get a dream chandelier.

On Mon 29 Sep 2008 08:56:49a, elened told us...

On Sep 27, 6:47*pm, Wayne Boatwright
wrote:
On Thu 25 Sep 2008 02:13:47p, elened told us...





Hello, *I am thinking of buying a chandelier for my dining room and
have found my 'dream' chandelier at an auction in Virginia (far
away). *However, this chandelier happens to be a bit bigger than what
I'm accustomed to and wanted to get your advice as to whether I
should
go for it or not.
My dining room is 12' 8" x 13' 5" with 8' 8" ceilings and the
chandelier is a sort of chunky brass thing 30" tall by 32" diameter -
Chapman Brass Chandelier in the Chippendale taste, electrified, with
six scroll arm branches and a central turned and paneled column with
a
ball pendant. *It is not new or shiny and would go well with my
ecclectic / rustic furniture.
My question is: do you think this chandelier would be too big for my
dining room? *And might it be too heavy (27 Ib) for the ceiling (old
farm house)
Any advice would be very appreciated!
--Elena

There's nothing wrong with using an oversized fixture over a table in
the
dining room, and of course, making it a focal point. *The fixture does
need
to hang high enough to allow at least 32" clearance between the bottom
of
the fixture and the table top.

As to the weight, you may possibly need to reinforce the junction box,
depending on how solidly it was originally mounted.

--
* * * * * * *Wayne Boatwright * * * * * *

*******************************************
Date: Saturday, 09(IX)/27(XXVII)/08(MMVIII)
*******************************************
* * * *Countdown till Veteran's Day * * *
* * * * * 6wks 2dys 7hrs 19mins * * * * *
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*I will not fake seizures. --Bart Simpson
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- Show quoted text -

I'm so sad. The chandelier went for too much at the auction. I
wasn't able to get it. I stuck in there for as long as I could - I
was the last out of 14 to drop out.... Oh well, there will be other
possibilities, even if months down the road. It's something to look
forward to, right? Thanks all for the wonderful advice. It was just
what I needed, and it will still be of much value when I one day do
get a dream chandelier.


I'm really sorry you lost out on it. I know the feeling. Just keep
looking, and you may find one you like even better.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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