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Years ago when Bob Vila was in the Old house, he left because he said
that he didn't like the way the show was going..building and repairing luxury homes only. I agree then and still agree, the way they show how perfect they can make million dollar homes look great is sickening. How many of us can afford such luxury? Maybe they felt some guilt and now show another show right after that, "Ask this old house"...which is fine. But so far i have never noticed them visiting someone in a city, like NY or Chicago...its always a private home in some boon docks areas. |
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Anthona wrote:
Years ago when Bob Vila was in the Old house, he left because he said that he didn't like the way the show was going..building and repairing luxury homes only. I agree then and still agree, the way they show how perfect they can make million dollar homes look great is sickening. How many of us can afford such luxury? Maybe they felt some guilt and now show another show right after that, "Ask this old house"...which is fine. But so far i have never noticed them visiting someone in a city, like NY or Chicago...its always a private home in some boon docks areas. IIRC, Vila got booted because he was trading on his fame from the show getting an endorsement contract with Sears. From various interviews and reports since then, the rest of the cast and crew considered him an idiot anyway. (That agrees with my impression from watching TOH back then, as well as his own copycat show. I grew up in the business, so I knew a lot of what he was spouting was pure BS.)The first replacement was okay, but really more of a boat geek than a carpenter. He is pretty watchable on his current series with some other channel, about historical buildings. The current puppy of a TOH host, pretty much of a look-alike for #2,is no expert, but he doesn't pretend that he is, and thus acts like a stand-in for the viewer. They have heard all the people bitching about the show becoming 'This Old Mansion', and are trying, sort of, to get back to their roots this season with the New Orleans arc. --- aem sends... |
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There was a hilarious true life story of what happened during a TOH
renovation. It was a disaster. A major lumber supplier backed the show and promised to give all of their products needed at cost. So these people had a major renovation including red wood siding. The project was approved. Unfortunately, the owners found out later that the lumber company did not carry red wood siding so they would be on their own.... and so on and so on. The smooth tv project actually cost at least twice what was predicted and took 3 times longer than predicted. But it looked smooth on tv. "aemeijers" wrote in message ... Anthona wrote: Years ago when Bob Vila was in the Old house, he left because he said that he didn't like the way the show was going..building and repairing luxury homes only. I agree then and still agree, the way they show how perfect they can make million dollar homes look great is sickening. How many of us can afford such luxury? Maybe they felt some guilt and now show another show right after that, "Ask this old house"...which is fine. But so far i have never noticed them visiting someone in a city, like NY or Chicago...its always a private home in some boon docks areas. IIRC, Vila got booted because he was trading on his fame from the show getting an endorsement contract with Sears. From various interviews and reports since then, the rest of the cast and crew considered him an idiot anyway. (That agrees with my impression from watching TOH back then, as well as his own copycat show. I grew up in the business, so I knew a lot of what he was spouting was pure BS.)The first replacement was okay, but really more of a boat geek than a carpenter. He is pretty watchable on his current series with some other channel, about historical buildings. The current puppy of a TOH host, pretty much of a look-alike for #2,is no expert, but he doesn't pretend that he is, and thus acts like a stand-in for the viewer. They have heard all the people bitching about the show becoming 'This Old Mansion', and are trying, sort of, to get back to their roots this season with the New Orleans arc. --- aem sends... |
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Anthona wrote:
Years ago when Bob Vila was in the Old house, he left because he said that he didn't like the way the show was going..building and repairing luxury homes only. Pfffft, that's a nice cover story. He didn't leave, he got canned because he started doing commercial endorsements based on the celebrity he had from TOH. I agree then and still agree, the way they show how perfect they can make million dollar homes look great is sickening. How many of us can afford such luxury? Maybe they felt some guilt and now show another show right after that, "Ask this old house"...which is fine. But so far i have never noticed them visiting someone in a city, like NY or Chicago...its always a private home in some boon docks areas. Not always, I agree they do too many high-priced projects but they also tackle more modest homes, it seems like a 50-50 split to me. They're currently doing a shotgun single in New Orleans, last year they did a low-rent townhouse in Philly (?) and a reasonable house in Austin and that two-owner house in Boston, none of those struck me as mansions. My impression is they do one over-the-top home each season. I agree the ATOH feature is of particular use to the average homeowner. And regardless of what the the total cost of the job is, the ideas and skill you can pick up watching them do the work are always useful. |
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bob kater wrote:
you wanna learn something, send them to my house, its always in some type of renovation. As soon as they finish mine. ;^) |
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high end stuff, cutting edge is good to see, as it eventually filters
down to regular people at affordable prices a good example is closed cell foam R6 or R7. we are looking at a kitchen dining room gut and that will definetely be a part of the project |
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bob kater wrote:
(snip) Not always, I agree they do too many high-priced projects but they also tackle more modest homes, it seems like a 50-50 split to me. They're currently doing a shotgun single in New Orleans, last year they did a low-rent townhouse in Philly (?) and a reasonable house in Austin and that two-owner house in Boston, none of those struck me as mansions. My impression is they do one over-the-top home each season. I agree the ATOH feature is of particular use to the average homeowner. And regardless of what the the total cost of the job is, the ideas and skill you can pick up watching them do the work are always useful. I love watching Norm Abrams and Tom Silva work- Norm's other show (presumably why he was not included in ATOH) is a little silly with the $100k of machinist-quality woodworking tools, but they are both clearly expert carpenters. I saw enough good and bad carpenters growing up in the business to know the difference, and I'd hire either of them in a heartbeat, if I was rich enough to afford them. From all published reports, they are also nice guys with no ego problems, which is a plus. Not at all prima donnas like the original host. You never saw Vila with sweaty armpits. -- aem sends... |
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"aemeijers" wrote in message
... bob kater wrote: (snip) Not always, I agree they do too many high-priced projects but they also tackle more modest homes, it seems like a 50-50 split to me. They're currently doing a shotgun single in New Orleans, last year they did a low-rent townhouse in Philly (?) and a reasonable house in Austin and that two-owner house in Boston, none of those struck me as mansions. My impression is they do one over-the-top home each season. I agree the ATOH feature is of particular use to the average homeowner. And regardless of what the the total cost of the job is, the ideas and skill you can pick up watching them do the work are always useful. I love watching Norm Abrams and Tom Silva work- Norm's other show (presumably why he was not included in ATOH) is a little silly with the $100k of machinist-quality woodworking tools, but they are both clearly expert carpenters. I saw enough good and bad carpenters growing up in the business to know the difference, and I'd hire either of them in a heartbeat, if I was rich enough to afford them. From all published reports, they are also nice guys with no ego problems, which is a plus. Not at all prima donnas like the original host. You never saw Vila with sweaty armpits. For laughs, I still love the TOH episode where Bob Vila is grabbing some plants in the yard only to have the homeowner point out that it's poison ivy! |
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aemeijers wrote:
bob kater wrote: (snip) Not always, I agree they do too many high-priced projects but they also tackle more modest homes, it seems like a 50-50 split to me. They're currently doing a shotgun single in New Orleans, last year they did a low-rent townhouse in Philly (?) and a reasonable house in Austin and that two-owner house in Boston, none of those struck me as mansions. My impression is they do one over-the-top home each season. I agree the ATOH feature is of particular use to the average homeowner. And regardless of what the the total cost of the job is, the ideas and skill you can pick up watching them do the work are always useful. I love watching Norm Abrams and Tom Silva work- Norm's other show (presumably why he was not included in ATOH) is a little silly with the $100k of machinist-quality woodworking tools, but they are both clearly expert carpenters. I saw enough good and bad carpenters growing up in the business to know the difference, and I'd hire either of them in a heartbeat, if I was rich enough to afford them. From all published reports, they are also nice guys with no ego problems, which is a plus. Not at all prima donnas like the original host. You never saw Vila with sweaty armpits. -- aem sends... There can not be a more noble goal in life than to have (and use) more tools than Norm. Right, wrong or somewhere in between those people have been an inspiration to many over the years. I am not a carpenter or a contractor, just a guy like the rest of you. I built this place myself. http://www.granite.mb.ca/~lorence/Cabinfront7.jpg The foundation and HVAC were hired out, most of the rest was done with help of friends and family. I started with small projects. Seeing what others had done gave me the confidence to try. That house is what came of it. Anyone who can swing a hammer without hurting them self can do the same. Norm said so. ![]() LdB |
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vila left because they wouldn't allow him to do endorsements for products
(like the bella wood floors he's hawking these days). this old house does tend towards expensive renovations, but they have had budget projects as well: new orleans and washington d.c. to name two most recent examples. ask this old house goes all over the place, including nyc where tom silva helped two girls with a vinyl floor in their apartment. they've also gone to the southwest, texas, california, etc. both are great shows undeserving of anything less than praise. -chris "Anthona" wrote in message ... Years ago when Bob Vila was in the Old house, he left because he said that he didn't like the way the show was going..building and repairing luxury homes only. I agree then and still agree, the way they show how perfect they can make million dollar homes look great is sickening. How many of us can afford such luxury? Maybe they felt some guilt and now show another show right after that, "Ask this old house"...which is fine. But so far i have never noticed them visiting someone in a city, like NY or Chicago...its always a private home in some boon docks areas. |
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washington d.c. predates the new orleans project and was a non-profit
project. also, it occurred to me that they did visit chicago (lake forest, il to be precise) with a kitchen remodel for a family with three kids. -c "aemeijers" wrote in message ... Anthona wrote: Years ago when Bob Vila was in the Old house, he left because he said that he didn't like the way the show was going..building and repairing luxury homes only. I agree then and still agree, the way they show how perfect they can make million dollar homes look great is sickening. How many of us can afford such luxury? Maybe they felt some guilt and now show another show right after that, "Ask this old house"...which is fine. But so far i have never noticed them visiting someone in a city, like NY or Chicago...its always a private home in some boon docks areas. IIRC, Vila got booted because he was trading on his fame from the show getting an endorsement contract with Sears. From various interviews and reports since then, the rest of the cast and crew considered him an idiot anyway. (That agrees with my impression from watching TOH back then, as well as his own copycat show. I grew up in the business, so I knew a lot of what he was spouting was pure BS.)The first replacement was okay, but really more of a boat geek than a carpenter. He is pretty watchable on his current series with some other channel, about historical buildings. The current puppy of a TOH host, pretty much of a look-alike for #2,is no expert, but he doesn't pretend that he is, and thus acts like a stand-in for the viewer. They have heard all the people bitching about the show becoming 'This Old Mansion', and are trying, sort of, to get back to their roots this season with the New Orleans arc. --- aem sends... |
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for the record it's norm abram. the new yankee workshop is indeed the reason
that norm doesn't work on ask this old house. -c "aemeijers" wrote in message ... bob kater wrote: (snip) Not always, I agree they do too many high-priced projects but they also tackle more modest homes, it seems like a 50-50 split to me. They're currently doing a shotgun single in New Orleans, last year they did a low-rent townhouse in Philly (?) and a reasonable house in Austin and that two-owner house in Boston, none of those struck me as mansions. My impression is they do one over-the-top home each season. I agree the ATOH feature is of particular use to the average homeowner. And regardless of what the the total cost of the job is, the ideas and skill you can pick up watching them do the work are always useful. I love watching Norm Abrams and Tom Silva work- Norm's other show (presumably why he was not included in ATOH) is a little silly with the $100k of machinist-quality woodworking tools, but they are both clearly expert carpenters. I saw enough good and bad carpenters growing up in the business to know the difference, and I'd hire either of them in a heartbeat, if I was rich enough to afford them. From all published reports, they are also nice guys with no ego problems, which is a plus. Not at all prima donnas like the original host. You never saw Vila with sweaty armpits. -- aem sends... |
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regarding hosts: steve thomas was a boat geek, but i liked his approach to
hosting the show. he was knowledgeable, but only showed it in spurts, instead allowing the others to show their expertise (sometimes at the cost of his own appearances). but when you watch enough of his work you realize that he's just asking questions that the average person might ask. he also had a strong command of the language and talked about architecture with grace. kevin o'connor was originally on ask this old house as a homeowner with a wallpaper problem and eventually got hired as the new host. his role is essentially that of an apprentice who is learning the trade. he asks the obvious questions and, as time has gone on, has learned more and more about the trades which has made his commentary and questions even better. steve was my favorite, but i think that kevin is coming into his own. -c "aemeijers" wrote in message ... Anthona wrote: Years ago when Bob Vila was in the Old house, he left because he said that he didn't like the way the show was going..building and repairing luxury homes only. I agree then and still agree, the way they show how perfect they can make million dollar homes look great is sickening. How many of us can afford such luxury? Maybe they felt some guilt and now show another show right after that, "Ask this old house"...which is fine. But so far i have never noticed them visiting someone in a city, like NY or Chicago...its always a private home in some boon docks areas. IIRC, Vila got booted because he was trading on his fame from the show getting an endorsement contract with Sears. From various interviews and reports since then, the rest of the cast and crew considered him an idiot anyway. (That agrees with my impression from watching TOH back then, as well as his own copycat show. I grew up in the business, so I knew a lot of what he was spouting was pure BS.)The first replacement was okay, but really more of a boat geek than a carpenter. He is pretty watchable on his current series with some other channel, about historical buildings. The current puppy of a TOH host, pretty much of a look-alike for #2,is no expert, but he doesn't pretend that he is, and thus acts like a stand-in for the viewer. They have heard all the people bitching about the show becoming 'This Old Mansion', and are trying, sort of, to get back to their roots this season with the New Orleans arc. --- aem sends... |
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On Mar 18, 1:33*am, "Chris Miller" wrote:
washington d.c. predates the new orleans project and was a non-profit project. also, it occurred to me that they did visit chicago (lake forest, il to be precise) with a kitchen remodel for a family with three kids. -c "aemeijers" wrote in message ... Anthona wrote: Years ago when Bob Vila was in the Old house, he left because he said that he didn't like the way the show was going..building and repairing luxury homes only. I agree then and still agree, the way they show how perfect they can make million dollar homes look great is sickening. How many of us can afford such luxury? Maybe they felt some guilt and now show another show right after that, "Ask this old house"...which is fine. But so far i have never noticed them visiting someone in a city, like NY or Chicago...its always a private home in some boon docks areas. IIRC, Vila got booted because he was trading on his fame from the show getting an endorsement contract with Sears. From various interviews and reports since then, the rest of the cast and crew considered him an idiot anyway. (That agrees with my impression from watching TOH back then, as well as his own copycat show. I grew up in the business, so I knew a lot of what he was spouting was pure BS.)The first replacement was okay, but really more of a boat geek than a carpenter. He is pretty watchable on his current series with some other channel, about historical buildings. The current puppy of a TOH host, pretty much of a look-alike for #2,is no expert, but he doesn't pretend that he is, and thus acts like a stand-in for the viewer. They have heard all the people bitching about the show becoming 'This Old Mansion', and are trying, sort of, to get back to their roots this season with the New Orleans arc. --- aem sends...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Even though the Washington DC project was a non-profit and the budget was ~250K IIRC, one has to wonder how much of discount and/or free materials/labor they got from the various vendors. In other words, could you or I have renovated that place for $250K? I'm sure the same holds true for other "low-cost" projects. |
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On Mar 18, 1:40 am, "Chris Miller" wrote:
kevin o'connor has learned more and more about the trades which has made his commentary and questions even better. steve was my favorite, but i think that kevin is coming into his own. Kevin is great, but the show is at least loosely scripted, and rehearsed, and he doesn't think of the greatest majority of those questions or the commentary off the top of his head. "aemeijers" wrote in message ... Anthona wrote: Years ago when Bob Vila was in the Old house, he left because he said that he didn't like the way the show was going..building and repairing luxury homes only. I think he was ****canned due to his capitalization on his popularity combined with a severe case of "star-itis", combined with a lack of ability to keep his big yap shut. See his new show? He's pitiful as "talent". He often interrupts, and rudely, and at the exact wrong time when the interviewee is arriving at the most relevant portion of their response because he isn't listening to it to begin with, and he's looking at the floor, "thinking". He often doesn't allow a pause between the answer and his next question, so he "walks" all over it. He makes editing a ****ing nightmare and more than twice as much work to produce a decent program than if he possessed the absolute most basic of interviewing skills. I agree then and still agree, the way they show how perfect they can make million dollar homes look great is sickening. Well, there's the "production" crew and equipment to consider. It's pretty tough to fit all that crap in the 11x13 living room of a $750K 900sf. SoCal cottage. And average Joes don't very often pour a ton of cash into a complete renovation, but rich people do. And the show often gets the advantage of working from foundation to roof, landscaping, etc., and working on one site for an extended period. A rec room redo or installing some cabinets just isn't as interesting, at least to me, and there are now numerous DIY shows that have filled that gap. And I think it's easier for a guy to simplify aspects of a high-dollar renovation than take a simple one done on the cheap and expand upon it. ----- - gpsman |
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: On Mar 18, 1:40 am, "Chris Miller" wrote: kevin o'connor has learned more and more about the trades which has made his commentary and questions even better. steve was my favorite, but i think that kevin is coming into his own. Kevin is great, but the show is at least loosely scripted, and rehearsed, and he doesn't think of the greatest majority of those questions or the commentary off the top of his head. "aemeijers" wrote in message ... Anthona wrote: Years ago when Bob Vila was in the Old house, he left because he said that he didn't like the way the show was going..building and repairing luxury homes only. I think he was ****canned due to his capitalization on his popularity combined with a severe case of "star-itis", combined with a lack of ability to keep his big yap shut. See his new show? He's pitiful as "talent". He often interrupts, and rudely, and at the exact wrong time when the interviewee is arriving at the most relevant portion of their response because he isn't listening to it to begin with, and he's looking at the floor, "thinking". He often doesn't allow a pause between the answer and his next question, so he "walks" all over it. He makes editing a ****ing nightmare and more than twice as much work to produce a decent program than if he possessed the absolute most basic of interviewing skills. Previous three paragraphs is why I can't stand that Sears Whore (and HSN Whore I hear). He's always been that way. But...he's "that way" all the way to the bank I guess. I agree then and still agree, the way they show how perfect they can make million dollar homes look great is sickening. Well, there's the "production" crew and equipment to consider. It's pretty tough to fit all that crap in the 11x13 living room of a $750K 900sf. SoCal cottage. And average Joes don't very often pour a ton of cash into a complete renovation, but rich people do. And the show often gets the advantage of working from foundation to roof, landscaping, etc., and working on one site for an extended period. A rec room redo or installing some cabinets just isn't as interesting, at least to me, and there are now numerous DIY shows that have filled that gap. And I think it's easier for a guy to simplify aspects of a high-dollar renovation than take a simple one done on the cheap and expand upon it. ----- - gpsman |
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On Mar 18, 11:17*am, gpsman wrote:
On Mar 18, 1:40 am, "Chris Miller" wrote: kevin o'connor has learned more and more about the trades which has made his commentary and questions even better. steve was my favorite, but i think that kevin is coming into his own. Kevin is great, but the show is at least loosely scripted, and rehearsed, and he doesn't think of the greatest majority of those questions or the commentary off the top of his head. "aemeijers" wrote in message ... Anthona wrote: Years ago when Bob Vila was in the Old house, he left because he said that he didn't like the way the show was going..building and repairing luxury homes only. I think he was ****canned due to his capitalization on his popularity combined with a severe case of "star-itis", combined with a lack of ability to keep his big yap shut. See his new show? *He's pitiful as "talent". *He often interrupts, and rudely, and at the exact wrong time when the interviewee is arriving at the most relevant portion of their response because he isn't listening to it to begin with, and he's looking at the floor, "thinking". He often doesn't allow a pause between the answer and his next question, so he "walks" all over it. *He makes editing a ****ing nightmare and more than twice as much work to produce a decent program than if he possessed the absolute most basic of interviewing skills. I agree then and still agree, the way they show how perfect they can make million dollar homes look great is sickening. Well, there's the "production" crew and equipment to consider. *It's pretty tough to fit all that crap in the 11x13 living room of a $750K 900sf. SoCal cottage. And average Joes don't very often pour a ton of cash into a complete renovation, but rich people do. *And the show often gets the advantage of working from foundation to roof, landscaping, etc., and working on one site for an extended period. A rec room redo or installing some cabinets just isn't as interesting, at least to me, and there are now numerous DIY shows that have filled that gap. And I think it's easier for a guy to simplify aspects of a high-dollar renovation than take a simple one done on the cheap and expand upon it. *----- - gpsman because he isn't listening ...begin with... My favorite exchange from his new series Hore...errrr I mean...Home Again: A contractor was cleaning an aluminum door in Florida. Bob - "What is that you're using on the door?" Contractor - "Well, it's basically a chemical solution for cleaning aluminum." Bob - "So, it's bascially a chemical solution for cleaning aluminum, right?" Contractor - (with a quizzical look on his face) - "Uh...yes...Bob...that's right." |
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On Mar 18, 11:17*am, gpsman wrote:
On Mar 18, 1:40 am, "Chris Miller" wrote: kevin o'connor has learned more and more about the trades which has made his commentary and questions even better. steve was my favorite, but i think that kevin is coming into his own. Kevin is great, but the show is at least loosely scripted, and rehearsed, and he doesn't think of the greatest majority of those questions or the commentary off the top of his head. "aemeijers" wrote in message ... Anthona wrote: Years ago when Bob Vila was in the Old house, he left because he said that he didn't like the way the show was going..building and repairing luxury homes only. I think he was ****canned due to his capitalization on his popularity combined with a severe case of "star-itis", combined with a lack of ability to keep his big yap shut. See his new show? *He's pitiful as "talent". *He often interrupts, and rudely, and at the exact wrong time when the interviewee is arriving at the most relevant portion of their response because he isn't listening to it to begin with, and he's looking at the floor, "thinking". He often doesn't allow a pause between the answer and his next question, so he "walks" all over it. *He makes editing a ****ing nightmare and more than twice as much work to produce a decent program than if he possessed the absolute most basic of interviewing skills. I agree then and still agree, the way they show how perfect they can make million dollar homes look great is sickening. Well, there's the "production" crew and equipment to consider. *It's pretty tough to fit all that crap in the 11x13 living room of a $750K 900sf. SoCal cottage. And average Joes don't very often pour a ton of cash into a complete renovation, but rich people do. *And the show often gets the advantage of working from foundation to roof, landscaping, etc., and working on one site for an extended period. A rec room redo or installing some cabinets just isn't as interesting, at least to me, and there are now numerous DIY shows that have filled that gap. And I think it's easier for a guy to simplify aspects of a high-dollar renovation than take a simple one done on the cheap and expand upon it. *----- - gpsman but the show is at least loosely scripted, and rehearsed,,, Here's how scripted and rehearsed TOH is - true story - As the scene opens, Rich Trethewey has one hand a large concrete distribution tank that is being lowered into the ground by a crane. He is "quiding" the operator - "Keep coming...a little more...a little more". Kevin enters the scene and marvels at how big the tank is. Rich takes his hand off the tank and says to Kevin "Come on, I'll show you how the system works." The camera follows them as they walk away from the tank. I'm sitting there thinking "Hey Rich, weren't you supposed to be guiding that tank into the ground? What's the driver supposed to do now?" Yeah, like he was really talking to the crane operator... |
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