I have a hypothetical friend. He has subscribed to both Dish Network
and Direct TV in the past. He currently has the Dish Network network
dish mounted on his house and is subscribed to cable. He also has a
hypothetical friend that currently subscribes to Direct TV. He wonders
out loud what would happen if he borrowed the extra box that is hardly
used from his friend.

Are both disks the same. Would one box work with the other's dish?
Would the box work if he climbed up on the house and changed the dish
back to Direct TV?

On Jan 23, 9:37�pm, Sigmand wrote:
I have a hypothetical friend. �He has subscribed to both Dish Network
and Direct TV in the past. �He currently has the Dish Network network
dish mounted on his house and is subscribed to cable. �He also has a
hypothetical friend that currently subscribes to Direct TV. �He wonders
out loud what would happen if he borrowed the extra box that is hardly
used from his friend.

Are both disks the same. �Would one box work with the other's dish?
Would the box work if he climbed up on the house and changed the dish
back to Direct TV?

direct and dish try to require constant phone line connection of all
receivers, unplugged too long the provider can turn the box off. of
course its theft of service, but you already know that.

if both locations have DSL you can slingbox the sat feed to the other
location

direct and dish try to require constant
phone line connection of all receivers,
unplugged too long the provider can
turn the box off.

I have had dish for years and have no phone connection. This is only
needed if you want to purchase a PPV program.


---MIKE---
In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
(44° 15' N - Elevation 1580')

I have had dish for years and have no phone connection. This is only
needed if you want to purchase a PPV program.

BUT if it is hooked up to a phone line it does call out and on some of
the phone calls it provides the provider with the phone number that it
is calling from. I wouldn't do it, It's stealing.

The receiver won't work unless you pay your bill or deal with web sites like
this.

http://www.satellitesdirecttvdishnet...cript-hack.htm

When you stop paying your bill they do something to the receiver to turn it
off.

I don't know if they still do it this way, but the receivers had a card in
them. You could purchase a hacked card that would give you access until the
sat company defeated them and you would have to get a new card. The other
way to get this card was to get one that could be reprogrammed. I was once
in a house that had a cable running from their receiver to a old computer
that kept the card up to date.

Its explained a little bit here.

http://www.tech-faq.com/signal-theft.shtml

"Sigmand" wrote in message ...
I have a hypothetical friend. He has subscribed to both Dish Network and
Direct TV in the past. He currently has the Dish Network network dish
mounted on his house and is subscribed to cable. He also has a
hypothetical friend that currently subscribes to Direct TV. He wonders out
loud what would happen if he borrowed the extra box that is hardly used
from his friend.

Are both disks the same. Would one box work with the other's dish? Would
the box work if he climbed up on the house and changed the dish back to
Direct TV?

On Jan 24, 9:52�pm, "Cliff Hartle" wrote:
The receiver won't work unless you pay your bill or deal with web sites like
this.

http://www.satellitesdirecttvdishnet...satellite/priv...

When you stop paying your bill they do something to the receiver to turn it
off.

I don't know if they still do it this way, but the receivers had a card in
them. �You could purchase a hacked card that would give you access until the
sat company defeated them and you would have to get a new card. The other
way to get this card was to get one that could be reprogrammed. �I was once
in a house that had a cable running from their receiver to a old computer
that kept the card up to date.

Its explained a little bit here.

http://www.tech-faq.com/signal-theft.shtml



"Sigmand" wrote in ...
I have a hypothetical friend. �He has subscribed to both Dish Network and
Direct TV in the past. �He currently has the Dish Network network dish
mounted on his house and is subscribed to cable. �He also has a
hypothetical friend that currently subscribes to Direct TV. �He wonders out
loud what would happen if he borrowed the extra box that is hardly used
from his friend.

Are both disks the same. �Would one box work with the other's dish? Would
the box work if he climbed up on the house and changed the dish back to
Direct TV?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv? would you steal
your neighbors car? rip off stuff from the grocery store?

direct tv busts the sellers, and gives them a little off their jail
sentence to provide a customer list. direct then sends bills for like
5 grand, and gives the thieves a couple months to pay or be charged
for criminal activity.

do you want your name in the local paper as a thief?

this has occured.

On Jan 24, 10:18Â*pm, " wrote:
On Jan 24, 9:52�pm, "Cliff Hartle" wrote:





The receiver won't work unless you pay your bill or deal with web sites like
this.

http://www.satellitesdirecttvdishnet...satellite/priv...

When you stop paying your bill they do something to the receiver to turn it
off.

I don't know if they still do it this way, but the receivers had a card in
them. �You could purchase a hacked card that would give you access until the
sat company defeated them and you would have to get a new card. The other
way to get this card was to get one that could be reprogrammed. �I was once
in a house that had a cable running from their receiver to a old computer
that kept the card up to date.

Its explained a little bit here.

http://www.tech-faq.com/signal-theft.shtml

"Sigmand" wrote in ....
I have a hypothetical friend. �He has subscribed to both Dish Network and
Direct TV in the past. �He currently has the Dish Network network dish
mounted on his house and is subscribed to cable. �He also has a
hypothetical friend that currently subscribes to Direct TV. �He wonders out
loud what would happen if he borrowed the extra box that is hardly used
from his friend.

Are both disks the same. �Would one box work with the other's dish? Would
the box work if he climbed up on the house and changed the dish back to
Direct TV?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv? would you steal
your neighbors car? rip off stuff from the grocery store

If you steal your neighbors car he no longer has it.

If you tune in cable channels no one has lost anything tangible.

Cable companies call it stealing, but it is not the same thing.

In article
,
Terry wrote:

Cable companies call it stealing, but it is not the same thing.

You're right of course. Crime is in the eye of the beholder. Now send
your seventeen year old daughter over to my house, and she and I will
have consensual sex, and I won't call it rape.

Terry wrote:

why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv? would you steal
your neighbors car? rip off stuff from the grocery store

If you steal your neighbors car he no longer has it.

If you tune in cable channels no one has lost anything tangible.

Cable companies call it stealing, but it is not the same thing.

So, if you rape someone, and she still has it...

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:15:31 -0600, "HeyBub" wrote:

Terry wrote:

why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv? would you steal
your neighbors car? rip off stuff from the grocery store

If you steal your neighbors car he no longer has it.

If you tune in cable channels no one has lost anything tangible.

Cable companies call it stealing, but it is not the same thing.

So, if you rape someone, and she still has it...

I have to admit that is a really good analogy.

But since they do still have it, I can't see why they can be so stingy
with it.

" wrote in
:



why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv?

when a company mails a product to your house unsolicited,you are under no
obligation to pay for it,you can keep it and use it as you wish,it's not
"stealing".
Broadcast RF signals are beamed across the entire country.
They rent you the device to decode the signals that are already in your
home.If you provide your own receiver/decoder.....

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
...
" wrote in
:



why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv?

when a company mails a product to your house unsolicited,you are under no
obligation to pay for it,you can keep it and use it as you wish,it's not
"stealing".
Broadcast RF signals are beamed across the entire country.
They rent you the device to decode the signals that are already in your
home.If you provide your own receiver/decoder.....

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

You can justify anything you want to. Electricity is delivered to your
house. Why not just bypass the meter and use it. It's there, isn't it?
Theft of service is just that. You are stealing something that doesn't
belong to you and trying to justify it by saying it's there for the taking.
Don't forget to teach your kids that theory. If this country needs more of
something it's thieves and unethical people.

Jim Yanik wrote:
" wrote in
:

why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv?

when a company mails a product to your house unsolicited,you are under no
obligation to pay for it,you can keep it and use it as you wish,it's not
"stealing".
Broadcast RF signals are beamed across the entire country.
They rent you the device to decode the signals that are already in your
home.If you provide your own receiver/decoder.....

If you provide your own receiver/decoder... and don't
pay the bill you are stealing their service.

Make up all the silly "logic" you want to claim
otherwise, but every judge in the country will rule for
them and order you to pay up.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:49:37 -0800 (PST), Terry
wrote:

On Jan 24, 10:18*pm, " wrote:
On Jan 24, 9:52?pm, "Cliff Hartle" wrote:





The receiver won't work unless you pay your bill or deal with web sites like
this.

http://www.satellitesdirecttvdishnet...satellite/priv...

When you stop paying your bill they do something to the receiver to turn it
off.

I don't know if they still do it this way, but the receivers had a card in
them. ?You could purchase a hacked card that would give you access until the
sat company defeated them and you would have to get a new card. The other
way to get this card was to get one that could be reprogrammed. ?I was once
in a house that had a cable running from their receiver to a old computer
that kept the card up to date.

Its explained a little bit here.

http://www.tech-faq.com/signal-theft.shtml

"Sigmand" wrote in ...
I have a hypothetical friend. ?He has subscribed to both Dish Network and
Direct TV in the past. ?He currently has the Dish Network network dish
mounted on his house and is subscribed to cable. ?He also has a
hypothetical friend that currently subscribes to Direct TV. ?He wonders out
loud what would happen if he borrowed the extra box that is hardly used
from his friend.

Are both disks the same. ?Would one box work with the other's dish? Would
the box work if he climbed up on the house and changed the dish back to
Direct TV?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv? would you steal
your neighbors car? rip off stuff from the grocery store

If you steal your neighbors car he no longer has it.

If you tune in cable channels no one has lost anything tangible.

Cable companies call it stealing, but it is not the same thing.

Of course it isn't, despite the ridiculous claims otherwise. This
includes claims from our business-controlled government.

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:49:30 -0500, "Sanity"
wrote:


"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
.. .
" wrote in
:



why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv?

when a company mails a product to your house unsolicited,you are under no
obligation to pay for it,you can keep it and use it as you wish,it's not
"stealing".
Broadcast RF signals are beamed across the entire country.
They rent you the device to decode the signals that are already in your
home.If you provide your own receiver/decoder.....

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

You can justify anything you want to. Electricity is delivered to your
house. Why not just bypass the meter and use it. It's there, isn't it?
Theft of service is just that.You are stealing something that doesn't
belong to you and trying to justify it by saying it's there for the taking.
Don't forget to teach your kids that theory. If this country needs more of
something it's thieves and unethical people.


IT IS NOT AT ALL THE SAME!! That use of electricity has a significant
effect on the provider (increasing the load on their equipment).
That's not at all comparable to reception of satellite signals, having
only a negligible effect on the source.

Try thinking before you repeat that garbage.

And, of course, I said NOTHING of anything being right or wrong, but
about defining something as "stealing" (don't you know other things
can be wrong?).

I am responsible for what I say. However, I can not be responsible for
others' demented imagination, including the serious misreading of the
above.

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:55:10 -0900, (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:

Jim Yanik wrote:
" wrote in
:

why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv?

when a company mails a product to your house unsolicited,you are under no
obligation to pay for it,you can keep it and use it as you wish,it's not
"stealing".
Broadcast RF signals are beamed across the entire country.
They rent you the device to decode the signals that are already in your
home.If you provide your own receiver/decoder.....

If you provide your own receiver/decoder... and don't
pay the bill you are stealing their service.


Try explaining THAT without any nonsense. If you try to use "lost
profits", what the **** was that company you don't pay doing with YUOR
money?

"stealing" is a transaction between parties, without A's permission,
in which A no longer has something and B now does. In the case of
unauthorized reception of satellite TV, party 'B' not has the content.
'A' had it before AND STILL DOES exactly as before.

[snip with no comment]

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:55:10 -0900, (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:

Jim Yanik wrote:
" wrote in
:

why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv?

when a company mails a product to your house unsolicited,you are under no
obligation to pay for it,you can keep it and use it as you wish,it's not
"stealing".
Broadcast RF signals are beamed across the entire country.
They rent you the device to decode the signals that are already in your
home.If you provide your own receiver/decoder.....

If you provide your own receiver/decoder... and don't
pay the bill you are stealing their service.

Make up all the silly "logic" you want to claim
otherwise, but every judge in the country will rule for
them and order you to pay up.

So, an accurate description of reality is "silly"? That's the sort of
thing that happens when people mindlessly repeat corporate bull****.

Then, you try to enforce your bull**** through references to the
justice system, essentially big bullies.

BTW, there is the slight possibility that your brain will start
working someday. See you them.

"Sam E" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:49:30 -0500, "Sanity"
wrote:


"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
. ..
" wrote in
:



why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv?

when a company mails a product to your house unsolicited,you are under
no
obligation to pay for it,you can keep it and use it as you wish,it's not
"stealing".
Broadcast RF signals are beamed across the entire country.
They rent you the device to decode the signals that are already in your
home.If you provide your own receiver/decoder.....

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

You can justify anything you want to. Electricity is delivered to your
house. Why not just bypass the meter and use it. It's there, isn't it?
Theft of service is just that.You are stealing something that doesn't
belong to you and trying to justify it by saying it's there for the
taking.
Don't forget to teach your kids that theory. If this country needs more of
something it's thieves and unethical people.


IT IS NOT AT ALL THE SAME!! That use of electricity has a significant
effect on the provider (increasing the load on their equipment).
That's not at all comparable to reception of satellite signals, having
only a negligible effect on the source.

Try thinking before you repeat that garbage.

And, of course, I said NOTHING of anything being right or wrong, but
about defining something as "stealing" (don't you know other things
can be wrong?).

I am responsible for what I say. However, I can not be responsible for
others' demented imagination, including the serious misreading of the
above.

I guess with your warped thinking you could justify murder (getting rid of
scum to stop them from polluting).

"Sanity" wrote in
:


"Sam E" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:49:30 -0500, "Sanity"
wrote:


"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
.. .
" wrote in

om:



why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv?

when a company mails a product to your house unsolicited,you are
under no
obligation to pay for it,you can keep it and use it as you
wish,it's not "stealing".
Broadcast RF signals are beamed across the entire country.
They rent you the device to decode the signals that are already in
your home.If you provide your own receiver/decoder.....

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

You can justify anything you want to. Electricity is delivered to
your house. Why not just bypass the meter and use it. It's there,
isn't it? Theft of service is just that.You are stealing something
that doesn't belong to you and trying to justify it by saying it's
there for the taking.
Don't forget to teach your kids that theory. If this country needs
more of something it's thieves and unethical people.


IT IS NOT AT ALL THE SAME!! That use of electricity has a significant
effect on the provider (increasing the load on their equipment).
That's not at all comparable to reception of satellite signals,
having only a negligible effect on the source.

Satellite signals are beamed into my house regardless of whether I want
them or not.That's a huge difference compared to connecting to a utility
service.Those are only connnected when you request the service.


Try thinking before you repeat that garbage.

And, of course, I said NOTHING of anything being right or wrong, but
about defining something as "stealing" (don't you know other things
can be wrong?).

I am responsible for what I say. However, I can not be responsible
for others' demented imagination, including the serious misreading of
the above.

I guess with your warped thinking you could justify murder (getting
rid of scum to stop them from polluting).




Today I read about a police officer making a comment about "public service
homicide",about a gang member getting killed.

Of course,there's a difference between "murder" and killing.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Kurt Ullman wrote in news:kurtullman-
:

In article ,
Sam E wrote:


IT IS NOT AT ALL THE SAME!! That use of electricity has a significant
effect on the provider (increasing the load on their equipment).
That's not at all comparable to reception of satellite signals, having
only a negligible effect on the source.
Yeah its not like they have to pay for the satellites of the
electricity to run the place or the programming or anything. It just
sorta appears out of thin air and you availing yourself of the stuff for
free doesn't really hurt anyone. Sorta like shoplifting in that someone
has to pay for "negligible effect".

As I said previously,they ALREADY are putting their satellite signal into
my home;It's paid for regardless whether I rent one of their decoder boxes.
My providing my own decoder does not increase their costs in any way.

It's no different than charging me for sunlight.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Sam E wrote in
:

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:49:37 -0800 (PST), Terry
wrote:

On Jan 24, 10:18*pm, " wrote:
On Jan 24, 9:52?pm, "Cliff Hartle" wrote:





The receiver won't work unless you pay your bill or deal with web
sites like this.

http://www.satellitesdirecttvdishnet...-satellite/pri
v...

When you stop paying your bill they do something to the receiver
to turn it off.

I don't know if they still do it this way, but the receivers had a
card in them. ?You could purchase a hacked card that would give
you access until the sat company defeated them and you would have
to get a new card. The other way to get this card was to get one
that could be reprogrammed. ?I was once in a house that had a
cable running from their receiver to a old computer that kept the
card up to date.

Its explained a little bit here.

http://www.tech-faq.com/signal-theft.shtml

"Sigmand" wrote in
...
I have a hypothetical friend. ?He has subscribed to both Dish
Network and Direct TV in the past. ?He currently has the Dish
Network network dish mounted on his house and is subscribed to
cable. ?He also has a hypothetical friend that currently
subscribes to Direct TV. ?He wonders out loud what would happen
if he borrowed the extra box that is hardly used from his friend.

Are both disks the same. ?Would one box work with the other's
dish? Would the box work if he climbed up on the house and
changed the dish back to Direct TV?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv? would you steal
your neighbors car? rip off stuff from the grocery store

If you steal your neighbors car he no longer has it.

If you tune in cable channels no one has lost anything tangible.

Cable companies call it stealing, but it is not the same thing.

Of course it isn't, despite the ridiculous claims otherwise. This
includes claims from our business-controlled government.


there's a big difference between CABLE TV and SATELLITE TV.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

In article ,
Jim Yanik wrote:



Today I read about a police officer making a comment about "public service
homicide",about a gang member getting killed.


AKA misdemeanor murder.

"SteveB" wrote in
:


"Terry" wrote in message
.
.. On Jan 24, 10:18 pm, " wrote:
On Jan 24, 9:52?pm, "Cliff Hartle" wrote:





The receiver won't work unless you pay your bill or deal with web
sites like
this.

http://www.satellitesdirecttvdishnet...satellite/priv
...

When you stop paying your bill they do something to the receiver to
turn it
off.

I don't know if they still do it this way, but the receivers had a
card in
them. ?You could purchase a hacked card that would give you access
until the
sat company defeated them and you would have to get a new card. The
other
way to get this card was to get one that could be reprogrammed. ?I
was once
in a house that had a cable running from their receiver to a old
computer
that kept the card up to date.

Its explained a little bit here.

http://www.tech-faq.com/signal-theft.shtml

"Sigmand" wrote in
...
I have a hypothetical friend. ?He has subscribed to both Dish
Network and
Direct TV in the past. ?He currently has the Dish Network network
dish mounted on his house and is subscribed to cable. ?He also has
a hypothetical friend that currently subscribes to Direct TV. ?He
wonders out
loud what would happen if he borrowed the extra box that is hardly
used from his friend.

Are both disks the same. ?Would one box work with the other's
dish? Would
the box work if he climbed up on the house and changed the dish
back to
Direct TV?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv? would you steal
your neighbors car? rip off stuff from the grocery store

If you steal your neighbors car he no longer has it.

If you tune in cable channels no one has lost anything tangible.

Cable companies call it stealing, but it is not the same thing.

So, is that the same as going to a library, checking out a book,
copying it, and returning the book. I mean, they have the book back,
don't they?

Steve




there's a big difference between -cable- and SATELLITE.
One requires you string a cable to your home to get the signal,the other
doesn't,the signal is there no matter what you do,whether you want it or
not.

Satellite TV is no different than the power company charging for sunlight
when you put in your own solar panels.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

In article ,
Jim Yanik wrote:


As I said previously,they ALREADY are putting their satellite signal into
my home;It's paid for regardless whether I rent one of their decoder boxes.
My providing my own decoder does not increase their costs in any way.

It's no different than charging me for sunlight.

Of course it is. Sunlight is passive. You can enjoy it by merely going
outside or even looking outside. But in order to get cable signals, you
have to do something active. You have to get special equipment, you have
to find away around the security systems (which alone should tell you
something). About the only way the two are remotely the same is if you
start getting cable signals through your braces.

Sigmand wrote:
I have a hypothetical friend. He has subscribed to both Dish Network
and Direct TV in the past. He currently has the Dish Network network
dish mounted on his house and is subscribed to cable. He also has a
hypothetical friend that currently subscribes to Direct TV. He wonders
out loud what would happen if he borrowed the extra box that is hardly
used from his friend.

Are both disks the same. Would one box work with the other's dish?
Would the box work if he climbed up on the house and changed the dish
back to Direct TV?

I used to work installing direct TV satellite equipment, when a customer
wants ppv or there is two boxes hooked up then the phone line is also
connected. This is done also to monitor the presence of the second box so it
cannot be loaned out to a neighbor.

--
Message posted via HomeKB.com
http://www.homekb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/repair/200801/1

In article ,
Jim Yanik wrote:

there's a big difference between CABLE TV and SATELLITE TV.

The biggest being one is what you want to get for free and other is
something someone else wants to get for free.

Gary H wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:55:10 -0900, (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:

Jim Yanik wrote:
" wrote in
:

why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv?

when a company mails a product to your house unsolicited,you are under no
obligation to pay for it,you can keep it and use it as you wish,it's not
"stealing".
Broadcast RF signals are beamed across the entire country.
They rent you the device to decode the signals that are already in your
home.If you provide your own receiver/decoder.....

If you provide your own receiver/decoder... and don't
pay the bill you are stealing their service.

Make up all the silly "logic" you want to claim
otherwise, but every judge in the country will rule for
them and order you to pay up.

So, an accurate description of reality is "silly"? That's the sort of
thing that happens when people mindlessly repeat corporate bull****.

That description is not accurate, nor is it reality. It
*is* silly though.

It isn't "corporate bull****", it's the law.

Then, you try to enforce your bull**** through references to the
justice system, essentially big bullies.

Yeah, that is true. If they decide you're acting on
your silly ideas, they put you in jail to let you
contemplate reality. That's after they laugh at the
above description when it is cited as a defense.

BTW, there is the slight possibility that your brain
will start working someday. See you them.

That's okay. Your's doesn't appear to have that
possibility.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:20:45 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
Jim Yanik wrote:


As I said previously,they ALREADY are putting their satellite signal into
my home;It's paid for regardless whether I rent one of their decoder boxes.
My providing my own decoder does not increase their costs in any way.

It's no different than charging me for sunlight.

Of course it is. Sunlight is passive. You can enjoy it by merely going
outside or even looking outside. But in order to get cable signals, you
have to do something active. You have to get special equipment, you have
to find away around the security systems (which alone should tell you
something). About the only way the two are remotely the same is if you
start getting cable signals through your braces.


What about sitting outside drive ins (they do still exist) and
watching the movie. Is that stealing? Would it be stealing if you
used a scaffold?

Jim Yanik writes:

Kurt Ullman wrote in news:kurtullman-
:

In article ,
Sam E wrote:


IT IS NOT AT ALL THE SAME!! That use of electricity has a significant
effect on the provider (increasing the load on their equipment).
That's not at all comparable to reception of satellite signals, having
only a negligible effect on the source.
Yeah its not like they have to pay for the satellites of the
electricity to run the place or the programming or anything. It just
sorta appears out of thin air and you availing yourself of the stuff for
free doesn't really hurt anyone. Sorta like shoplifting in that someone
has to pay for "negligible effect".

As I said previously,they ALREADY are putting their satellite signal into
my home;It's paid for regardless whether I rent one of their decoder boxes.
My providing my own decoder does not increase their costs in any way.

It's no different than charging me for sunlight.

Welcome to alt.home.repair where we offer home repair advice and
try to guide the ethically challenged to a better way of life.

If the corporation that made the sun sent you a bill,
I guess you wouldn't pay it?

Kurt Ullman wrote in
:

In article ,
Jim Yanik wrote:


As I said previously,they ALREADY are putting their satellite signal
into my home;It's paid for regardless whether I rent one of their
decoder boxes. My providing my own decoder does not increase their
costs in any way.

It's no different than charging me for sunlight.

Of course it is. Sunlight is passive. You can enjoy it by merely
going
outside or even looking outside. But in order to get cable signals,

UH,the discussion was about SATELLITE;no different than sunlight.

CABLE is a hard-wired system you have to CONNECT to.Like putting a tap on
the water or electric mains.

you have to do something active. You have to get special equipment,
you have to find away around the security systems (which alone should
tell you something). About the only way the two are remotely the same
is if you start getting cable signals through your braces.

So,if I install my own solar panels,the power company can charge me for the
sunlight,because I had to do something "active" to get electricity from the
sunlight?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Kurt Ullman wrote in news:kurtullman-
:

In article ,
Jim Yanik wrote:

there's a big difference between CABLE TV and SATELLITE TV.

The biggest being one is what you want to get for free and other is
something someone else wants to get for free.


cable TV doesn't come into my house unless someone connects a cable,and
supplies a decoder box.It's not OTA.
SATELLITE signals come to my house regardless whether I want them or not.

a comparable analogy would be if the local TV station rents an antenna (and
the digital converter)to watch their over-the-air(OTA) broadcast.
Or I supply my own and watch it.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Cable companies call it stealing, but it is not the same thing.

I wholeheartedly agree. It isn't stealing. It's just plain vanilla
dishonest. Dishonest people can be dishonest and yet not steal. They just
do a variety of other activities.

A man and woman are not married to each other. They check into a motel.
The clerk asks, "Are you married", and they both answer yes at the same
time. Are they being honest?

No. If they were honest, they wouldn't be there in the first place.

Beware of a man who says he's honest. He's likely to lie about other
things.

Twain or Rogers

Steve

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:53:20 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:


"Terry" wrote in message
...
On Jan 24, 10:18 pm, " wrote:
On Jan 24, 9:52?pm, "Cliff Hartle" wrote:





The receiver won't work unless you pay your bill or deal with web
sites
like
this.

http://www.satellitesdirecttvdishnet...satellite/priv...

When you stop paying your bill they do something to the receiver to
turn
it
off.

I don't know if they still do it this way, but the receivers had a
card
in
them. ?You could purchase a hacked card that would give you access
until
the
sat company defeated them and you would have to get a new card. The
other
way to get this card was to get one that could be reprogrammed. ?I was
once
in a house that had a cable running from their receiver to a old
computer
that kept the card up to date.

Its explained a little bit here.

http://www.tech-faq.com/signal-theft.shtml

"Sigmand" wrote in
...
I have a hypothetical friend. ?He has subscribed to both Dish Network
and
Direct TV in the past. ?He currently has the Dish Network network
dish
mounted on his house and is subscribed to cable. ?He also has a
hypothetical friend that currently subscribes to Direct TV. ?He
wonders
out
loud what would happen if he borrowed the extra box that is hardly
used
from his friend.

Are both disks the same. ?Would one box work with the other's dish?
Would
the box work if he climbed up on the house and changed the dish back
to
Direct TV?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv? would you steal
your neighbors car? rip off stuff from the grocery store

If you steal your neighbors car he no longer has it.

If you tune in cable channels no one has lost anything tangible.

Cable companies call it stealing, but it is not the same thing.

So, is that the same as going to a library, checking out a book, copying
it,
and returning the book. I mean, they have the book back, don't they?

Steve


If you get on a train without a ticket, I guess there is no crime
because the train was going to your destination anyway, even if you
were not on it?

Bwahahahahaha!



No use arguing with him. You can put lipstick on a whore but she's still a
whore. He has no ethics or morals and couldn't care less that a company is
providing a service for a fee and he's taking it without paying them and
justifying it in his mind that his actions are correct. I wonder if he has
any children and if he is teaching them the same.

Dan Espen wrote:
Jim Yanik writes:

Kurt Ullman wrote in news:kurtullman-
:

In article ,
Sam E wrote:


IT IS NOT AT ALL THE SAME!! That use of electricity has a significant
effect on the provider (increasing the load on their equipment).
That's not at all comparable to reception of satellite signals, having
only a negligible effect on the source.
Yeah its not like they have to pay for the satellites of the
electricity to run the place or the programming or anything. It just
sorta appears out of thin air and you availing yourself of the stuff for
free doesn't really hurt anyone. Sorta like shoplifting in that someone
has to pay for "negligible effect".

As I said previously,they ALREADY are putting their satellite signal into
my home;It's paid for regardless whether I rent one of their decoder boxes.
My providing my own decoder does not increase their costs in any way.

It's no different than charging me for sunlight.

Welcome to alt.home.repair where we offer home repair advice and
try to guide the ethically challenged to a better way of life.

If the corporation that made the sun sent you a bill,
I guess you wouldn't pay it?

Until they send you to the collections department,
supposed run by some buy called Saint Peter. I've heard
he can really be spiteful about past aggressions...

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

SteveB wrote:


I DO have a problem, though, when I buy software, have multiple
computers, and want to put it on all of them. FOR PRIVATE USE. How
many people have more than one computer? Lots. Or one of them dies
or I get rid of it, and want to use that program again. I'm not
talking about big programs, but the little stuff. Especially when
it's a ****5 program, and they're now up to ****11 version. Sounds
like a can opener you buy, and you have to pay every time you want to
use it after the first time. Or, whoops, you take it camping. Gotta
pay to use it in a new location.

Different situation: You didn't BUY the software. You paid for the right to
use the software under the conditions specified in the contract and
sometimes those conditions specify you can't use the software on more than
one computer. If you want to use the software under different terms, the
company will probably be glad to accomodate you.

For example, enterprise editions of XP start at about $5,000.

Sam E wrote:

IT IS NOT AT ALL THE SAME!! That use of electricity has a significant
effect on the provider (increasing the load on their equipment).
That's not at all comparable to reception of satellite signals, having
only a negligible effect on the source.

Try thinking before you repeat that garbage.


Of course it's not the same. The more people who watch unauthorized
satellite TV, the more DTV or DISH can charge their advertisers.

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"SteveB" wrote:
]
So, is that the same as going to a library, checking out a book, copying
it,
and returning the book. I mean, they have the book back, don't they?

But the author loses out on royalty if you bought the book. Since you
took the time and effort to copy the book, you must want to keep a copy
and that is theft (okay technically copyright violation..)

I agree. I'm just playing devil's advocate here and asking so that people
who think theft and dishonesty is okay have a chance to explain themselves.

I DO have a problem, though, when I buy software, have multiple computers,
and want to put it on all of them. FOR PRIVATE USE. How many people have
more than one computer? Lots. Or one of them dies or I get rid of it, and
want to use that program again. I'm not talking about big programs, but the
little stuff. Especially when it's a ****5 program, and they're now up to
****11 version. Sounds like a can opener you buy, and you have to pay every
time you want to use it after the first time. Or, whoops, you take it
camping. Gotta pay to use it in a new location.

Steve

wrote in message
...
On 25 Jan 2008 17:14:26 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:

"SteveB" wrote in
:


"Terry" wrote in message
.
.. On Jan 24, 10:18 pm, " wrote:
On Jan 24, 9:52?pm, "Cliff Hartle" wrote:





The receiver won't work unless you pay your bill or deal with web
sites like
this.

http://www.satellitesdirecttvdishnet...satellite/priv
...

When you stop paying your bill they do something to the receiver to
turn it
off.

I don't know if they still do it this way, but the receivers had a
card in
them. ?You could purchase a hacked card that would give you access
until the
sat company defeated them and you would have to get a new card. The
other
way to get this card was to get one that could be reprogrammed. ?I
was once
in a house that had a cable running from their receiver to a old
computer
that kept the card up to date.

Its explained a little bit here.

http://www.tech-faq.com/signal-theft.shtml

"Sigmand" wrote in
...
I have a hypothetical friend. ?He has subscribed to both Dish
Network and
Direct TV in the past. ?He currently has the Dish Network network
dish mounted on his house and is subscribed to cable. ?He also has
a hypothetical friend that currently subscribes to Direct TV. ?He
wonders out
loud what would happen if he borrowed the extra box that is hardly
used from his friend.

Are both disks the same. ?Would one box work with the other's
dish? Would
the box work if he climbed up on the house and changed the dish
back to
Direct TV?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv? would you steal
your neighbors car? rip off stuff from the grocery store

If you steal your neighbors car he no longer has it.

If you tune in cable channels no one has lost anything tangible.

Cable companies call it stealing, but it is not the same thing.

So, is that the same as going to a library, checking out a book,
copying it, and returning the book. I mean, they have the book back,
don't they?

Steve




there's a big difference between -cable- and SATELLITE.
One requires you string a cable to your home to get the signal,the other
doesn't,the signal is there no matter what you do,whether you want it or
not.

Satellite TV is no different than the power company charging for sunlight
when you put in your own solar panels.

Um... The satellite provider has to pay for much of the programming
they provide, and also has to maintain the system. Those satellites
don't come cheap.

If you have a job, I'm sure you expect to get paid for your work,
don't you? If you employer decided that he didn't feel like paying
you, would you have a problem with that? His argument for not paying
you is that it's okay because you were there working anyway, so it's
not like he's stealing from you or anything...



Nice comparison. I like that.

Steve

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:53:20 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:


"Terry" wrote in message
...
On Jan 24, 10:18 pm, " wrote:
On Jan 24, 9:52?pm, "Cliff Hartle" wrote:





The receiver won't work unless you pay your bill or deal with web
sites
like
this.

http://www.satellitesdirecttvdishnet...satellite/priv...

When you stop paying your bill they do something to the receiver to
turn
it
off.

I don't know if they still do it this way, but the receivers had a
card
in
them. ?You could purchase a hacked card that would give you access
until
the
sat company defeated them and you would have to get a new card. The
other
way to get this card was to get one that could be reprogrammed. ?I was
once
in a house that had a cable running from their receiver to a old
computer
that kept the card up to date.

Its explained a little bit here.

http://www.tech-faq.com/signal-theft.shtml

"Sigmand" wrote in
...
I have a hypothetical friend. ?He has subscribed to both Dish Network
and
Direct TV in the past. ?He currently has the Dish Network network
dish
mounted on his house and is subscribed to cable. ?He also has a
hypothetical friend that currently subscribes to Direct TV. ?He
wonders
out
loud what would happen if he borrowed the extra box that is hardly
used
from his friend.

Are both disks the same. ?Would one box work with the other's dish?
Would
the box work if he climbed up on the house and changed the dish back
to
Direct TV?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

why does anyone think its OK to steal satellite tv? would you steal
your neighbors car? rip off stuff from the grocery store

If you steal your neighbors car he no longer has it.

If you tune in cable channels no one has lost anything tangible.

Cable companies call it stealing, but it is not the same thing.

So, is that the same as going to a library, checking out a book, copying
it,
and returning the book. I mean, they have the book back, don't they?

Steve


If you get on a train without a ticket, I guess there is no crime
because the train was going to your destination anyway, even if you
were not on it?

Bwahahahahaha!



Or, you may be one of those people who get on the bus AFTER the crash. Been
some pretty good stings on that.

Steve