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Did they change treated lumber AGAIN?
On Oct 22, 1:59?am, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:47:20 -0700, Jack wrote: On Oct 19, 6:45 am, ransley wrote: On Oct 19, 6:18 am, wrote: I know that awhile back they removed the arsenic from treated lumber and the new lumber was almost all copper treated. I read that this new variety was extremely destructive to nails and screws, and one had to use expensive stainless steel fastners. I just bought some treated 2x6s for a small deck and asked the store clerk what fastners to use. He said just common nails or screws would work. I told him what I had read about the new variety of treated wood, when he told me the lumber I am buying is not corrosive. This was at a big box home center, and although this guy is the store manager, not just some 20 year old kid, I had my doubts about his advice. I went to another local lumberyard, which is strictly only a lumber yard and told the guy I wanted fastners that dont corrode from the new treated lumber. He told me that if I bought it in the past month or so, I could likely just use common fastners. I asked why "in the last month". He said they changed the formula AGAIN. He could not tell me much more but said this recently occurred. OK, now I have 2 guys who said this..... What's the deal? How did they change this lumber? What can I use now for fastners? Thanks Alvin Its amazing that stores dont know what they sell, and that your deck or whatever can fail eventualy from the fasteners failing, if you use the wrong ones. Your wood should have tags stapled on the ends or contact the store where you purchased it and then the manufacturer. But the store should get you the right answer. I think stainless is fine or the screws treated for decks, but I dont know. In 10-20 years we will likely have porches falling down killing people from fasteners failing. You would think stores would have this issue noted with signs so they are not liable when decks fail from people using the wrong products. My two cents worth. I was in the lumber treating business for a period of ten years ,70-80. The best long treatment back then was Penta, but then the EPA decided it was to toxic to use. Since, they have came up with different formulas. Really, I don't think any are worth their cost. a good coat of paint is your best protection. I remember Penta, in fact I think I have a few gallons of it in my garage yet. Before that there was Creosote, which seems to have always worked. Heck, my original barn is built from posts that are creosote coated power poles. The barn was built in the 60's. The posts were probably used power poles. All but one of them is still in great shape. (One was rotten at the ground level and I had to install another post next to it and bolt them together). These poles are probably 60 or more years old. They also banned creosote, (except for power poles). I really could never understand how coal tar could be so toxic. Although creosote is pretty messy. I agree on the paint, but underground that dont help (as in posts). What gets me is that I have never met any person that eats lumber. Yet, I have had horses chew up (the old) treated wood adn they never died from it. These days I only use hardwood around them, or cover the treated wood with metal. So, while we people that dont eat lumber are now safe if we do, we will in 10 years or so, fall to our deaths when the nails fail on our upper porches, and if that dont happen, ConAgra will kill us with their constantly contaminated food of late. By the way, I looked at one board that I have near the house and it says C2 C9. I assume that means copper treatment, thus needs the special fastners. This is NOT the stuff I just bought which is not put away at the moment. ************___________________ ************- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - probably best to outlaw all fasteners but stainless, to prevent confusion. dont laugh regulators MUST justify their jobs, or get unemployeed. altough I agree with banmning known hazards, better safe than sorry espically around kids |
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Did they change treated lumber AGAIN?
According to JoeSpareBedroom :
"Chris Lewis" wrote in message ... According to JoeSpareBedroom : "Chris Lewis" wrote in message ... According to HeyBub : No one, so far as I can tell, has ever died or gotten sick from treated lumber. There seems to be adequate evidence that people _have_ gotten harmed by CCA lumber. But this isn't playground/back deck/cottage dock etc contact. This is people who routinely burn CCA (despite everything telling you _not_ to burn CCA) or have long term exposure to copious quantities of CCA sawdust without any precautions whatsoever. The latter is a hazard with untreated cedar too. I agree it's overblown. But it isn't a complete myth. Clevis Is a metal pin. You seem confused. thinks the old type of treated lumber should've been kept on the market until children actually got sick and they became "data". We've had several generations of children grow up with that stuff, and not get sick. There's actually more proof that cedar lumber can harm you (including my own personal experiences). OSHA rates it as a carcinogen and sensitizer. Should we ban cedar too? I don't know. Has cedar ever been used as a method of murder? I'm sure that more than one person has met their end by being clunked with a piece of cedar. -- Chris Lewis, Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them. |
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Did they change treated lumber AGAIN?
"dpb" wrote in message ...
Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message So, if you find out that your kid has a toy which was later recalled due to high levels of lead, you let the kid keep the toy? Yes or no. Do you let the kid keep the toy? If the kid is beyond the chewing stage, why not? ... Joe, otoh, being a totally responsible parent would of course, not allow his kids to have toys on the presumption they _would_ contain lead. Although in reality, I must presume that being such a stellar protector of the young he thought even farther ahead and has therefore ensured he doesn't have any in order to fully protect them from all of these inevitable hazards. -- http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science...den/index.html |
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Did they change treated lumber AGAIN?
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ... Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message So, if you find out that your kid has a toy which was later recalled due to high levels of lead, you let the kid keep the toy? Yes or no. Do you let the kid keep the toy? If the kid is beyond the chewing stage, why not? ... Joe, otoh, being a totally responsible parent would of course, not allow his kids to have toys on the presumption they _would_ contain lead. Although in reality, I must presume that being such a stellar protector of the young he thought even farther ahead and has therefore ensured he doesn't have any in order to fully protect them from all of these inevitable hazards. -- http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science...den/index.html And the papa says... "I'm angry at my government for failing to regulate chemicals that are in mass production and in consumer products." Hammond says. "I don't think it should have to be up to me to worry about what's in my couch." Sic semper personal responsibility -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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Did they change treated lumber AGAIN?
"dadiOH" wrote in message
news:KwkTi.11781$od4.7487@trnddc04... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "dpb" wrote in message ... Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message So, if you find out that your kid has a toy which was later recalled due to high levels of lead, you let the kid keep the toy? Yes or no. Do you let the kid keep the toy? If the kid is beyond the chewing stage, why not? ... Joe, otoh, being a totally responsible parent would of course, not allow his kids to have toys on the presumption they _would_ contain lead. Although in reality, I must presume that being such a stellar protector of the young he thought even farther ahead and has therefore ensured he doesn't have any in order to fully protect them from all of these inevitable hazards. -- http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science...den/index.html And the papa says... "I'm angry at my government for failing to regulate chemicals that are in mass production and in consumer products." Hammond says. "I don't think it should have to be up to me to worry about what's in my couch." Sic semper personal responsibility dadiOH Umm...we're supposed to know what's in a couch? Not buy couches? |
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Did they change treated lumber AGAIN?
On Oct 23, 7:36 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message news:KwkTi.11781$od4.7487@trnddc04... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "dpb" wrote in ... Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message So, if you find out that your kid has a toy which was later recalled due to high levels of lead, you let the kid keep the toy? Yes or no. Do you let the kid keep the toy? If the kid is beyond the chewing stage, why not? ... Joe, otoh, being a totally responsible parent would of course, not allow his kids to have toys on the presumption they _would_ contain lead. Although in reality, I must presume that being such a stellar protector of the young he thought even farther ahead and has therefore ensured he doesn't have any in order to fully protect them from all of these inevitable hazards. -- http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science...den/index.html And the papa says... "I'm angry at my government for failing to regulate chemicals that are in mass production and in consumer products." Hammond says. "I don't think it should have to be up to me to worry about what's in my couch." Sic semper personal responsibility dadiOH Umm...we're supposed to know what's in a couch? Not buy couches?- Hide quoted text - It's kind of a funny problem. We want kids not to burn to death, so we put fire retardants in their pajamas. We want kids not to be cut by broken glass, so we make all their stuff out of plastic. It seems like everything we do to protect kids from the dangers we know exposes them to dangers we don't know. Cindy Hamilton |
#127
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Did they change treated lumber AGAIN?
On Oct 20, 10:36 am, Robert Allison wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "dpb" wrote in ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "dpb" wrote in ... ... ...If that were the case ... it shouldn't take someone else more than about 30 seconds to counter the argument. OK. Have a nice day. So, I take it you're off on a literature search? -- Of course not. I suggest that you gather your conclusions and present them to the appropriate parties who were involved in forcing a change in the chemicals used to make PT lumber. You obviously have better information than they did. There was no forced change. The EPA did study after study, and did not find evidence to even put a warning (other than the one that existed) on PT lumber. The manufacturers voluntarily chose to change the formulation, not due to regulation, but due to the fear of lawsuits from idiots. I have worked with CCA for over 30 years. I have been exposed to it for that amount of time in a manner that would cause far more than the minimal contact that a child would ever get, yet, I am fine. So are all of the other 400 or so carpenters that I know or have known personally. So where did you get your data again. How long do you think that I have to live? Due to the fact that I was forced to be exposed to it, I have done extensive research on the subject and I can tell you that you are simply wrong. Unless you burn it, you have nothing to fear from the old CCA. And neither does anyone else. Worry about lightning. Or your salt intake. It will be far more productive. -- Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc. Georgetown, TX- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Aye! There are places where the water supply contains more arsenic than you could get off the lumber and that amount meets government safety regs. Harry K |
#128
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Did Scott stop taking his thorazine again?
DANCING WITH THE LOSERS wrote:
Did you tell everyone that you're a grocery store clerk, and your son stays stoned 24/7, I thought not! Scott, you really need to go back on your psycho meds. |
#129
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Did Scott stop taking his thorazine again?
In article .com,
larry moe 'n curly wrote: DANCING WITH THE LOSERS wrote: Did you tell everyone that you're a grocery store clerk, and your son stays stoned 24/7, I thought not! Scott, you really need to go back on your psycho meds. Where do you buy it larry moe? I won't' tell, promise. Or do you grow your own, in the basement or do you have a patch out in the rainforest somewhere? Just curious. |
#130
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Did Scott stop taking his thorazine again?
Big Endian wrote: In article .com, larry moe 'n curly wrote: DANCING WITH THE LOSERS wrote: Did you tell everyone that you're a grocery store clerk, and your son stays stoned 24/7, I thought not! Scott, you really need to go back on your psycho meds. Where do you buy it larry moe? I won't' tell, promise. Or do you grow your own, in the basement or do you have a patch out in the rainforest somewhere? Just curious. Get a loaf of rye bread, and keep it in a plastic bag until it starts to look like this: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/56/14...5c1e87087f.jpg Then eat or snort, but not alone. Serves up to 100. |
#131
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Did Scott stop taking his thorazine again?
In article .com,
larry moe 'n curly wrote: Big Endian wrote: In article .com, larry moe 'n curly wrote: DANCING WITH THE LOSERS wrote: Did you tell everyone that you're a grocery store clerk, and your son stays stoned 24/7, I thought not! Scott, you really need to go back on your psycho meds. Where do you buy it larry moe? I won't' tell, promise. Or do you grow your own, in the basement or do you have a patch out in the rainforest somewhere? Just curious. Get a loaf of rye bread, and keep it in a plastic bag until it starts to look like this: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/56/14...5c1e87087f.jpg Then eat or snort, but not alone. Serves up to 100. So how do you do the lights larry moe and fool the power company?? |
#132
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Did Scott stop taking his thorazine again?
Big Endian wrote: In article .com, larry moe 'n curly wrote: DANCING WITH THE LOSERS wrote: Did you tell everyone that you're a grocery store clerk, and your son stays stoned 24/7, I thought not! Scott, you really need to go back on your psycho meds. Where do you buy it larry moe? I won't' tell, promise. Or do you grow your own, in the basement or do you have a patch out in the rainforest somewhere? Just curious. Get a loaf of rye bread, and keep it in a plastic bag until it starts to look like this: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/56/14...5c1e87087f.jpg Then eat or snort, but not alone. Serves up to 100. So how do you do the lights larry moe and fool the power company?? Fungus don't need grow lights. It's the environmentally friendly way to higher consciousness. |
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