Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to be GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"

Many thanks.

No, only counter outlets in the kitchen


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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to be GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"

Many thanks.

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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to be GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.

Actually, assuming we are talking kitchens in dwelling units, the 2005 NEC,
Article 210.8(A)(6) only says that kitchens require GFCIs on receptacles
"where the receptacles are installed to serve the countertop surfaces".
Local codes may be more restrictive.

For starters, they say something different then they say for outlets above
stoves for microwaves


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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is
it sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.

Actually, assuming we are talking kitchens in dwelling units, the 2005
NEC, Article 210.8(A)(6) only says that kitchens require GFCIs on
receptacles "where the receptacles are installed to serve the countertop
surfaces". Local codes may be more restrictive.

Ok, I'll certainly go along with that, but what do they say about
receptacles near wet locations or exterior doors?

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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.

Regardless of what "an inspector" should require, the NEC doesn't



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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is
it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.



You're still wrong. Could the receptacle serve the counter? Is it within 6
feet of a wet location? If those conditions are met then an inspector
should require protection. Got it?

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Regardless of what "an inspector" should require, the NEC doesn't


The NEC requires protection for outlets near wet locations. No one has
provided a cite for an exception to that requirement.

Sorry, wrong again. You need to invest in a code book. There is nothing in
the NEC that requires (generally) that GFCI protection is required for
outlets "near wet locations" It does require protection in specific wet
locations and other specific locations, but adjacent to an exist door on the
inside of a house, while "near" a wet location, is not required to be GFCI
protected


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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to
be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one
may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is
it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.



You're still wrong. Could the receptacle serve the counter? Is it within
6
feet of a wet location? If those conditions are met then an inspector
should require protection. Got it?

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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to
be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one
may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is
it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.



You're still wrong. Could the receptacle serve the counter? Is it within 6
feet of a wet location? If those conditions are met then an inspector
should require protection. Got it?


I got the fact that you don't understand NEC codes.

Clark, you're reaching!!! Originally when GFCI protection was required at
kitchen counters, it was for any outlet within six feet of the sink. That's
changed and all kitchen counter outlets are required to be protected. GFCI
rules are pretty specific now, such as where an outdoor hot tub is
installed, a GFCI outlet is required to be installed between ten and twenty
feet from the tub. The only current six foot rule I know of is a counter top
at a wet bar, any outlet within six feet of the sink must be protected


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Regardless of what "an inspector" should require, the NEC doesn't


The NEC requires protection for outlets near wet locations. No one has
provided a cite for an exception to that requirement.

Sorry, wrong again. You need to invest in a code book. There is nothing
in the NEC that requires (generally) that GFCI protection is required
for outlets "near wet locations" It does require protection in specific
wet locations and other specific locations, but adjacent to an exist
door on the inside of a house, while "near" a wet location, is not
required to be GFCI protected

Ummm, what about the rule of being within six feet? That still holds does
it not?




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wrote in message
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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave
to
be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because
one
may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or
is
it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.



You're still wrong. Could the receptacle serve the counter? Is it
within
6
feet of a wet location? If those conditions are met then an inspector
should require protection. Got it?

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You are the one claiming some six foot of a wet location rule. There simply
isn't one. As I said earlier, there are many SPECIFIC locations where GFCI
protection is required. Within six feet of a laundry or wet bar sink are two
specific locations



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Clark, you're reaching!!! Originally when GFCI protection was required
at kitchen counters, it was for any outlet within six feet of the sink.
That's changed and all kitchen counter outlets are required to be
protected. GFCI rules are pretty specific now, such as where an outdoor
hot tub is installed, a GFCI outlet is required to be installed between
ten and twenty feet from the tub. The only current six foot rule I know
of is a counter top at a wet bar, any outlet within six feet of the sink
must be protected

First off, I'm not really reaching. I am following code as adopted by my
local jurisdiction.

NEC 2005 requires protection for laundray & utility sinks along with wet
bar
sinks. Specific exceptions for kitchen locations are noted.

There are many requirements for gfci protection near wet locations.
Perhaps
you should read the code?

http://www.passandseymour.com/2005neccodebook.pdf


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Regardless of what "an inspector" should require, the NEC doesn't


The NEC requires protection for outlets near wet locations. No one
has provided a cite for an exception to that requirement.

Sorry, wrong again. You need to invest in a code book. There is
nothing in the NEC that requires (generally) that GFCI protection is
required for outlets "near wet locations" It does require protection
in specific wet locations and other specific locations, but adjacent
to an exist door on the inside of a house, while "near" a wet
location, is not required to be GFCI protected

Ummm, what about the rule of being within six feet? That still holds
does it not?




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wrote in message
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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range
microwave to
be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because
one
may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range -
or is
it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at
all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI
here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.



You're still wrong. Could the receptacle serve the counter? Is it
within
6
feet of a wet location? If those conditions are met then an
inspector should require protection. Got it?

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wrote in message
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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave
to
be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one
may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or
is
it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.



You're still wrong. Could the receptacle serve the counter? Is it
within
6
feet of a wet location? If those conditions are met then an inspector
should require protection. Got it?


I got the fact that you don't understand NEC codes.


Wrong again.


Yeah, right.
If you did, you wouldn't be asking your stupid ass questions.

"Clark" wrote in message
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"RBM" rbm2(remove wrote in
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Clark, you're reaching!!! Originally when GFCI protection was required
at kitchen counters, it was for any outlet within six feet of the sink.
That's changed and all kitchen counter outlets are required to be
protected. GFCI rules are pretty specific now, such as where an outdoor
hot tub is installed, a GFCI outlet is required to be installed between
ten and twenty feet from the tub. The only current six foot rule I know
of is a counter top at a wet bar, any outlet within six feet of the sink
must be protected

First off, I'm not really reaching. I am following code as adopted by my
local jurisdiction.

NEC 2005 requires protection for laundray & utility sinks along with wet
bar
sinks. Specific exceptions for kitchen locations are noted.

There are many requirements for gfci protection near wet locations.
Perhaps
you should read the code?


Perhaps you should get someone to explain it to ya.

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"RBM" rbm2(remove wrote in
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Clark, you're reaching!!! Originally when GFCI protection was
required
at kitchen counters, it was for any outlet within six feet of the
sink.
That's changed and all kitchen counter outlets are required to be
protected. GFCI rules are pretty specific now, such as where an
outdoor
hot tub is installed, a GFCI outlet is required to be installed
between
ten and twenty feet from the tub. The only current six foot rule I
know
of is a counter top at a wet bar, any outlet within six feet of the
sink
must be protected

First off, I'm not really reaching. I am following code as adopted by
my
local jurisdiction.

NEC 2005 requires protection for laundray & utility sinks along with
wet
bar
sinks. Specific exceptions for kitchen locations are noted.

There are many requirements for gfci protection near wet locations.
Perhaps
you should read the code?


Perhaps you should get someone to explain it to ya.

You're projecting.


You're an incompetent idiot.

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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range
microwave
to
be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because
one
may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range -
or
is
it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at
all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI
here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.



You're still wrong. Could the receptacle serve the counter? Is it
within
6
feet of a wet location? If those conditions are met then an
inspector
should require protection. Got it?


I got the fact that you don't understand NEC codes.


Wrong again.


Yeah, right.
If you did, you wouldn't be asking your stupid ass questions.

Wrong again. Read the questions and try to understand the point this time.


I got the point, you're a Putz.

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Putz

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Putz

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Putz

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Putz

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Putz

I know you are but what am I?

Maybe when you sober up you'll come back and read your own posts. Pretty
silly there drunken, dancing, monkey boi. I post and you dance. *It never
fails*.

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wouldnt it be funny if these 2 were really the same poster arguing
with themselves? dont laugh its happened before

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Putz

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Putz

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"Clark" wrote in message
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Putz

I know you are but what am I?

Maybe when you sober up you'll come back and read your own posts. Pretty
silly there drunken, dancing, monkey boi. I post and you dance. *It
never
fails*.

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wouldnt it be funny if these 2 were really the same poster arguing
with themselves? dont laugh its happened before


Not happening here, Clark is just my newest little pet. :-)

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Putz

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Putz

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Looking for another treat?

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Does your mother know you're on her computer again?

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Your mother should slap the stupid right out of you... wait, that would
probably take to long.