Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to be GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"

Many thanks.

No, only counter outlets in the kitchen


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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to be GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"

Many thanks.

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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to be GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.

Actually, assuming we are talking kitchens in dwelling units, the 2005 NEC,
Article 210.8(A)(6) only says that kitchens require GFCIs on receptacles
"where the receptacles are installed to serve the countertop surfaces".
Local codes may be more restrictive.

For starters, they say something different then they say for outlets above
stoves for microwaves


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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is
it sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.

Actually, assuming we are talking kitchens in dwelling units, the 2005
NEC, Article 210.8(A)(6) only says that kitchens require GFCIs on
receptacles "where the receptacles are installed to serve the countertop
surfaces". Local codes may be more restrictive.

Ok, I'll certainly go along with that, but what do they say about
receptacles near wet locations or exterior doors?

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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.

Regardless of what "an inspector" should require, the NEC doesn't



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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is
it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.



You're still wrong. Could the receptacle serve the counter? Is it within 6
feet of a wet location? If those conditions are met then an inspector
should require protection. Got it?

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Regardless of what "an inspector" should require, the NEC doesn't


The NEC requires protection for outlets near wet locations. No one has
provided a cite for an exception to that requirement.

Sorry, wrong again. You need to invest in a code book. There is nothing in
the NEC that requires (generally) that GFCI protection is required for
outlets "near wet locations" It does require protection in specific wet
locations and other specific locations, but adjacent to an exist door on the
inside of a house, while "near" a wet location, is not required to be GFCI
protected


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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to
be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one
may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is
it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.



You're still wrong. Could the receptacle serve the counter? Is it within
6
feet of a wet location? If those conditions are met then an inspector
should require protection. Got it?

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Clark, you're reaching!!! Originally when GFCI protection was required at
kitchen counters, it was for any outlet within six feet of the sink. That's
changed and all kitchen counter outlets are required to be protected. GFCI
rules are pretty specific now, such as where an outdoor hot tub is
installed, a GFCI outlet is required to be installed between ten and twenty
feet from the tub. The only current six foot rule I know of is a counter top
at a wet bar, any outlet within six feet of the sink must be protected


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Regardless of what "an inspector" should require, the NEC doesn't


The NEC requires protection for outlets near wet locations. No one has
provided a cite for an exception to that requirement.

Sorry, wrong again. You need to invest in a code book. There is nothing
in the NEC that requires (generally) that GFCI protection is required
for outlets "near wet locations" It does require protection in specific
wet locations and other specific locations, but adjacent to an exist
door on the inside of a house, while "near" a wet location, is not
required to be GFCI protected

Ummm, what about the rule of being within six feet? That still holds does
it not?




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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave
to
be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because
one
may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or
is
it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.



You're still wrong. Could the receptacle serve the counter? Is it
within
6
feet of a wet location? If those conditions are met then an inspector
should require protection. Got it?

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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave to
be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one
may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or is
it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.



You're still wrong. Could the receptacle serve the counter? Is it within 6
feet of a wet location? If those conditions are met then an inspector
should require protection. Got it?


I got the fact that you don't understand NEC codes.

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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range microwave
to
be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because one
may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range - or
is
it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.



You're still wrong. Could the receptacle serve the counter? Is it
within
6
feet of a wet location? If those conditions are met then an inspector
should require protection. Got it?


I got the fact that you don't understand NEC codes.


Wrong again.


Yeah, right.
If you did, you wouldn't be asking your stupid ass questions.

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Does code require the receptacle for a over-the-range
microwave
to
be
GFI
protected? (Seems to me like it would be a good idea because
one
may
frequently be touching the microwave and the grounded range -
or
is
it
sufficient to depend on the microwave ground being intact at
all
times?)

Anyway the main question is, "Doec the code require a GFI
here?"


No

It does is it is near the sink.

But you knew that. Right? I'm sure you'll say so anyway.


Once again, you show you're ignorance.
Try purchasing a NEC2005 and learn to read.



You're still wrong. Could the receptacle serve the counter? Is it
within
6
feet of a wet location? If those conditions are met then an
inspector
should require protection. Got it?


I got the fact that you don't understand NEC codes.


Wrong again.


Yeah, right.
If you did, you wouldn't be asking your stupid ass questions.

Wrong again. Read the questions and try to understand the point this time.


I got the point, you're a Putz.