toolguy wrote:

It's amazing how fast a thread can get hijacked....

Is this what you need?

http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/(s3...et&SKU=5299680

I've kind of followed the thread but almost forgot about the window
thingy. No, this isn't it, but thanks very much for trying. The thingy
I want is much flatter, no visible spring, and as far as I know was used
only for old wood storms and screens.....two thingys at the top to hang
them and then just snap shut the thingys on the sides to hold them flat.
Is the plural of "thingy" thingys or thingies? )

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:54:39 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:


wrote in message

Why did you snip what I said in my first two lines? "The word has
nothing to do with political correctness, as the phrase is used by
either side. It has to do with maximizing profits, by
trying to make the employees fell important." Do you disagree with
any of that? You don't seem to.

Making employees feel important by using special terms is another form of
political correctness. Same thing, fancy words.

No, it's not. It's an attempt to encourage employees.

"Political correctness" refers to not insulting people. Originally
Blacks, Jews, and Latinos, but now it's been applied to more people,
including some that even more people still want to insult.

I don't know anyone who thinks that "clerk" is insulting, or even that
Associate is less insulting or more non-insulting. But it's more
inclusive-sounding.

Retail clerks are just as
important as "associates".

Of course they are. You don't think I think otherwise do you?

They are clerks, so call them that. Truck
drivers, grave diggers, garbage men, are all importnat jobs that people do
and they can be just as proud doing a good job as a banker or chemist.

Of course they can be, but the employers didn't change their term just
as a matter of whimsy. Someone tried it out, or someone has looked
into the matter and concluded that in fact, at least in the cases
studied, at least at the beginning of this practice, before it was so
common, they do a better job when called associates. People here
complains continually about the quality of service at Lowes and HD,
and this is one effort, whether successful or not, to get the clerks
to do a better job.


I didn't say whether using the term "Associate" was good or bad. I
don't know why you are arguing with me.

You did say:
The phrase has been applied to a lot of other groups in the years
following, but it still seems to me that those people who deride
political correctness allign themselves with and probably are the ones
who would be still be talking about (nasty names deleted)

Now that sounds like you are voicing your opinion of people that deride
political correctness. People like me. Perhaps you have a different
meaning?

Criticizing people who deride political correctness has nothing to do
with whether the term Associate is good or bad. Because I don't think
using Associate is an example of political correctness. You do, but I
don't. So regardless of whether I'm right about that part or not, you
can't fairly conclude I tied the two together that way, even if you
would have been if you had made the same statements.

toolguy wrote:

It's amazing how fast a thread can get hijacked....

Is this what you need?

http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/(s3...et&SKU=5299680

Any Ace Hardware will have, or can get it for you. If they don't have
this item ask for 50506. It's the same item, just a different
manufacturer.

On Jun 24, 7:54 am, Norminn wrote:

Had a little shopping venture to get supplies for a couple of projects.
Nuts, bolts, plywood, paint remover. Check out, paint remover on
bottom of cart, small stuff in cart, plywood on top. Load up the car,
get home, don't have paint remover.....$30 gone? Call Lowe's, talk to
Chris in customer service. Chris went out to the parking lot, retrieved
my paint remover and kept it until I could claim it. There was plenty
of help on hand to help shoppers, too. Now, if only I could find a
couple of spring-clamps like they used to use on old, wood-frame storm
windows and screens.............



He
http://www.technologylk.com/product_...roduct_ID=7593

No, it's not. It's an attempt to encourage employees.

No. It is postmodern feminization of the culture.

Men label their employees by concrete actions: clerking, driving, managing.
Work gets done. That's what counts.

Women label employees by their soft relationships: associate,
representative, assistant. Actions don't matter as much as how you relate
interpersonally.

This is how women can dominate men in the workplace. Men are bigger and
stronger, so to weaken this male advantage, do not label jobs in terms of
actions. Women are more physically attractive, so label jobs in terms of
getting closer.

wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:54:39 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:

....
Making employees feel important by using special terms is another form of
political correctness. Same thing, fancy words.

No, it's not. It's an attempt to encourage employees.

We're not going to change your opinion, obviously, but I'm w/
Edwin--it's modern "politico-speak" sold by some enterprising MBA
consultant and relying on the present trends which encourage such
foolishness of presentation and appearances above and over performance
and reality.

"Political correctness" refers to not insulting people. Originally
Blacks, Jews, and Latinos, but now it's been applied to more people,
including some that even more people still want to insult.

I don't know anyone who thinks that "clerk" is insulting, or even that
Associate is less insulting or more non-insulting. But it's more
inclusive-sounding.

To you, maybe. To me it sounds pompous and ridiculous. A clerk is a
clerk is a clerk whatever there origin. "A rose by any other name..."

Retail clerks are just as
important as "associates".

Of course they are. You don't think I think otherwise do you?

Actually, he who doth protest too much comes to mind here...

They are clerks, so call them that. Truck
drivers, grave diggers, garbage men, are all importnat jobs that people do
and they can be just as proud doing a good job as a banker or chemist.

Of course they can be, but the employers didn't change their term just
as a matter of whimsy. Someone tried it out, or someone has looked
into the matter and concluded that in fact, at least in the cases
studied, at least at the beginning of this practice, before it was so
common, they do a better job when called associates. ...

"Can"??? I thought you were convinced they _are_ as valuable.
Freudian slip, maybe?

And, you might be surprised at how easy it can be to convince management
of the latest greatest theory in employee morale-boosting or other
management practices. I can't recall the number or even the names now
of all the management panaceas that came, one after another, during my
career...from "Management by Objectives" on, there was one about every
2-3 years I would estimate, on average. This is simply the current fad.

....

Criticizing people who deride political correctness has nothing to do
with whether the term Associate is good or bad. Because I don't think
using Associate is an example of political correctness. You do, but I
don't. So regardless of whether I'm right about that part or not, you
can't fairly conclude I tied the two together that way, even if you
would have been if you had made the same statements.

Criticizing people who deride p-c which has run amok also seems to be
p-c these days.

imo, ymmv, etc., etc., ...

Although I had promised myself I wouldn't get sucked into this foolish
"debate"...

--

"Norminn" wrote in message
nk.net...
toolguy wrote:

It's amazing how fast a thread can get hijacked....

Is this what you need?

http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/(s3...et&SKU=5299680

I've kind of followed the thread but almost forgot about the window
thingy. No, this isn't it, but thanks very much for trying. The thingy I
want is much flatter, no visible spring, and as far as I know was used
only for old wood storms and screens.....two thingys at the top to hang
them and then just snap shut the thingys on the sides to hold them flat.
Is the plural of "thingy" thingys or thingies? )

Did my first post in thread go awry? I swear I posted a link to what you
want at the top of the window.

Colbyt

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:14:42 -0500, dpb wrote:

And, you might be surprised at how easy it can be to convince management
of the latest greatest theory in employee morale-boosting or other
management practices. I can't recall the number or even the names now
of all the management panaceas that came, one after another, during my
career...from "Management by Objectives" on, there was one about every
2-3 years I would estimate, on average. This is simply the current fad.

I always hated when we ended up with upper level folks. It was often a
toss of the dice, as to the type. We were a guest on an Air Force
Base. One day I get called into the office of this "rookie" (my term).
He tells me he wants a Draft Policy for our Emergency Plans for a
"direct" Nuclear attack on the base. I let him gone on a few moments.

I really had to laugh out loud. Then I said; this will be very short.
What do you won't me to put in it? Kiss your ass goodbye?

--
Oren

"I don't have anything against work. I just figure, why deprive somebody who really loves it."

I can sell you some good ****, man!

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
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: If a person who illegally comes into the country in violation
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: Laughing so hard I have tears in my eyes.

I would have never guessed this thread would have ened up where it did..
I do, however, agree with kinch on the whole feminization thing.

If things were left up to women they'd be living in a cardboard box on
the side of an 'unpaved pathway'. Or maybe they would call the cardboard
box a 'corragated living facility'...and the pathway an 'intermodal
transportation system'.

Charles Pisano wrote:
I would have never guessed this thread would have ened up where it
did.. I do, however, agree with kinch on the whole feminization thing.

If things were left up to women they'd be living in a cardboard box on
the side of an 'unpaved pathway'. Or maybe they would call the
cardboard box a 'corragated living facility'...and the pathway an
'intermodal transportation system'.

WOW, you know a lesser class of women than I do!! Never met one like that!