I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide for killing
weeds, and try scorching them instead.

There are a lot of weed / roofing torches on ebay and I was wondering if
there is anything to choose for or against in buying one. The one I'm
leaning toward getting says: "3000+ Fahrenheit" - that's enough, right?



Thanks

On Sat, 12 May 2007 17:35:47 GMT, "Jack S" wrote:

I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide for killing
weeds, and try scorching them instead.

I've used one for this same thing. It was a home I owned and rented at
the time and I wanted fast way to kill weeds in a "rock" lawn.

There are a lot of weed / roofing torches on ebay and I was wondering if
there is anything to choose for or against in buying one. The one I'm
leaning toward getting says: "3000+ Fahrenheit" - that's enough, right?

If you already have a tank; just by the torch with regulator and
hose... cheaper.

It is HOT work in the desert here :-(

Thanks

--
Oren

"The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!"

"Jack S" wrote in message
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I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide for
killing weeds, and try scorching them instead.

There are a lot of weed / roofing torches on ebay and I was wondering if
there is anything to choose for or against in buying one. The one I'm
leaning toward getting says: "3000+ Fahrenheit" - that's enough, right?

They are surprisingly hard to burn, but it can be done. It will not however
kill the roots.
I would stick to herbicide.

On Sat, 12 May 2007 17:52:58 GMT, "Toller" wrote:

They are surprisingly hard to burn, but it can be done. It will not however
kill the roots. I would stick to herbicide.


I agree. Seems like some green weeds just boil; instead of burning
rapidly. The root kill is the best method.
--
Oren

"The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!"

Jack S wrote:
I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide for killing
weeds, and try scorching them instead.

There are a lot of weed / roofing torches on ebay and I was wondering if
there is anything to choose for or against in buying one. The one I'm
leaning toward getting says: "3000+ Fahrenheit" - that's enough, right?



Thanks

How about you sprinkle some Preen, or other pre-emergent preventer,
between the rocks before the weeds start to grow?

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Toller wrote:

They are surprisingly hard to burn, but it can be done. It will not however
kill the roots.

According to this, you just need to shrivel them, not actually burn them up.

http://www.leevalley.com/garden/page...t=2,2300,44822

Chris

On Sat, 12 May 2007 12:41:26 -0600, Chris Friesen
wrote:

Toller wrote:

They are surprisingly hard to burn, but it can be done. It will not however
kill the roots.

According to this, you just need to shrivel them, not actually burn them up.

http://www.leevalley.com/garden/page...t=2,2300,44822

Chris

I wish, I would have had my bride do that. :-))

We use a weed barrier fabric beneath rock in the desert and still have
superficial weeds pop up in the rocks. A torch has been good when I
needed or used one. They are not routine for me, as I don't own one.
--
Oren

"The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!"

In article ,
Chris Friesen wrote:

Toller wrote:

They are surprisingly hard to burn, but it can be done. It will not however
kill the roots.

According to this, you just need to shrivel them, not actually burn them up.

http://www.leevalley.com/garden/page...t=2,2300,44822

Chris

I like the company Leevalley. I went with their advice to water the
target plants. I quick hit of heat with no smoke and moss was dead on
my brick patio in a few days. Boiled I guess ? I purchased to deice
our walk .

Have someone standby with a hose just in case as dry tinder seems to be
about these days.

Bill

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Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.

"Jack S" wrote in message
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I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide for
killing weeds, and try scorching them instead.

There are a lot of weed / roofing torches on ebay and I was wondering if
there is anything to choose for or against in buying one. The one I'm
leaning toward getting says: "3000+ Fahrenheit" - that's enough, right?



Thanks


Maybe you need better herbicide. The torch works good, but so many more bad
things can happen when using flames.

Steve

Steve B wrote:

Maybe you need better herbicide. The torch works good, but so many more bad
things can happen when using flames.

Steve



So true! I know a person that set his fence on fire using one of those
things
--
Bill R. (Ohio Valley, U.S.A)

Gardening for over 40 years

To see pictures from my garden visit http://members.iglou.com/brosen

Digital Camera - Pentax *ist DL

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Steve B said:

"Jack S" wrote in message
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I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide for
killing weeds, and try scorching them instead.

There are a lot of weed / roofing torches on ebay and I was wondering if
there is anything to choose for or against in buying one. The one I'm
leaning toward getting says: "3000+ Fahrenheit" - that's enough, right?



Thanks


Maybe you need better herbicide.

Maybe they don't want to keep chancing that the herbicide will also affect
their plantings.

Maybe they just don't like storing and handling the extra chemicals.

Maybe it's a large area, and they just don't want to keep contaminating the
ground water, below.

Maybe.

The torch works good, but so many more bad
things can happen when using flames.

How many rocks can you name, that are flammable?

--

Eggs

In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is
weird, people take prozac to make it normal.

"Jack S" wrote in message
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I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide for
killing weeds, and try scorching them instead.

There are a lot of weed / roofing torches on ebay and I was wondering if
there is anything to choose for or against in buying one. The one I'm
leaning toward getting says: "3000+ Fahrenheit" - that's enough, right?



Thanks


Guessing that's about the temperature the bonfire 2 years ago burned at its
height of heat. Cutoff lumber from the builder, juniper ashe, a little live
oak. All dried for about 2 months first. Pile was over 10 feet high, 30
foot around, teepee fashion. Fire laughed at the garden hose at its height.
Absolutely nothing grew there for a full year. Put a raised bed garden over
the site.

There was nothing within 50 feet that was a potential for burning, no wind,
overcast, drizzly off and on that day. Watered down the area around the
fuel dump anyway, prior to lighting off. Aluminum cans, and glass bottles
were melted flat. Some steel in some nails melted. Used magnetic pickup
tool to get all the steel remaining afterwards.

You don't have enough propane to do that. Plus, the roots are hiding under
rocks instead of flat ground.

Something that will work for a a year or two is used motor oil. But, weeds
will come back with vengeance. It won't kill them entirely. But, its no
worse than the chemicals and consequential runoff from herbicides that you
have to pay additional money for.

Google "Barton Springs" and "herbicide"

Dave

On May 12, 1:35 pm, "Jack S" wrote:
I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide for killing
weeds, and try scorching them instead.

There are a lot of weed / roofing torches on ebay and I was wondering if
there is anything to choose for or against in buying one. The one I'm
leaning toward getting says: "3000+ Fahrenheit" - that's enough, right?

Thanks

I have used ordinary vinegar in a plastic watering can
http://raised-garden-bed.com/chapt2.html prior to burning and have had
no weeds return.

Johnny

"Jack S" wrote in message
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I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide for
killing weeds, and try scorching them instead.

There are a lot of weed / roofing torches on ebay and I was wondering if
there is anything to choose for or against in buying one. The one I'm
leaning toward getting says: "3000+ Fahrenheit" - that's enough, right?



Thanks



Went to the feed store in town today. Clerk recommended 20% acid vinegar.
She warned it only lasts about 2 months. Then the weeds come back again.

Vinegar in grocery store is typically 5% acid.
Dave

Dave wrote:
Guessing that's about the temperature the bonfire 2 years ago burned at its
height of heat. Cutoff lumber from the builder, juniper ashe, a little live
oak. All dried for about 2 months first. Pile was over 10 feet high, 30
foot around, teepee fashion. Fire laughed at the garden hose at its height.
Absolutely nothing grew there for a full year. Put a raised bed garden over
the site.

There was nothing within 50 feet that was a potential for burning, no wind,
overcast, drizzly off and on that day. Watered down the area around the
fuel dump anyway, prior to lighting off. Aluminum cans, and glass bottles
were melted flat. Some steel in some nails melted. Used magnetic pickup
tool to get all the steel remaining afterwards.

Sounds a bit like my annual event. Here's the before-and-after from
the 2005 one (the most impressive to date:

Befo http://www.otherpower.com/images/sci...36/bonfire.jpg
During: http://www.martyh.com/BTH_3rd_unaugu...es/image16.htm
After: http://www.martyh.com/BTH_3rd_unaugu...es/image20.htm

I used a big magnet in a sock to pick up a 20 litre bucket full of
nails from the site a few weeks later, and I'm still getting a handful
from time to time (I have a post there so that I know not to drive
over it).

This years was a little less impressive, but only a little:

http://hok.smugmug.com/gallery/2806294#149827229
http://www.smallsolar.org/BTH/Unaugural/
http://Peter-T.smugmug.com


BTH

In article . net,
(Dave) says...

Something that will work for a a year or two is used motor oil. But, weeds
will come back with vengeance. It won't kill them entirely. But, its no
worse than the chemicals and consequential runoff from herbicides that you
have to pay additional money for.

Used motor oil is a LOT worse than an EPA approved herbicide like
Roundup. You need to recycle the stuff carefully, not spread it around
in the environment.

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with my first name and last initial.

In article . net, gh@
43.com (Jack S) says...

I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide for killing
weeds, and try scorching them instead.

Salt. If you are in a dry climate, one application will sterilize the
soil for years.

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with my first name and last initial.

Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article . net,
(Dave) says...

Something that will work for a a year or two is used motor oil. But,
weeds will come back with vengeance. It won't kill them entirely.
But, its no worse than the chemicals and consequential runoff from
herbicides that you have to pay additional money for.

Used motor oil is a LOT worse than an EPA approved herbicide like
Roundup. You need to recycle the stuff carefully, not spread it around
in the environment.

Don't cornfuse them with facts and stuff.

On May 12, 10:35 am, "Jack S" wrote:
I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide for killing
weeds, and try scorching them instead.

There are a lot of weed / roofing torches on ebay and I was wondering if
there is anything to choose for or against in buying one. The one I'm
leaning toward getting says: "3000+ Fahrenheit" - that's enough, right?

Thanks

Boiling water works suprisingly well.

"Steveo" wrote in message
...
Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article . net,
(Dave) says...

Something that will work for a a year or two is used motor oil. But,
weeds will come back with vengeance. It won't kill them entirely.
But, its no worse than the chemicals and consequential runoff from
herbicides that you have to pay additional money for.

Used motor oil is a LOT worse than an EPA approved herbicide like
Roundup. You need to recycle the stuff carefully, not spread it around
in the environment.

Don't cornfuse them with facts and stuff.

Am not confused by Borg programming of humans.
Dave

"Dave" wrote:
Am not confused by Borg programming of humans.
Dave

I'm very proud of you.

On May 14, 4:02 pm, TH wrote:
On May 12, 10:35 am, "Jack S" wrote:

I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide for killing
weeds, and try scorching them instead.

There are a lot of weed / roofing torches on ebay and I was wondering if
there is anything to choose for or against in buying one. The one I'm
leaning toward getting says: "3000+ Fahrenheit" - that's enough, right?

Thanks

Boiling water works suprisingly well.

Flaming is also used in organic farming to keep the annuals and
biennials from growing and flowering. Eventually the roots will die
from a lack of photosynthesis. If they are already flowering, you may
wish to cut or pull out the plant and flowers to reduce weed seeds
from spreading around. However, I doubt if any weed seeds may survive
the toasting at 3000+ F?

-----
At peace with weeds...

"Steveo" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote:
Am not confused by Borg programming of humans.
Dave

I'm very proud of you.

Unusual statement from a programmed human. Maybe there is a chance for you.
Dave

"Jack S" wrote in message
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I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide for
killing weeds, and try scorching them instead.

There are a lot of weed / roofing torches on ebay and I was
wondering if there is anything to choose for or against in buying
one. The one I'm leaning toward getting says: "3000+ Fahrenheit" -
that's enough, right?

Here in Seattle, use of "weed burners" is illegal. FWIW.

Bob

In article ,
"Bob F" wrote:

"Jack S" wrote in message
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I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide for
killing weeds, and try scorching them instead.

There are a lot of weed / roofing torches on ebay and I was
wondering if there is anything to choose for or against in buying
one. The one I'm leaning toward getting says: "3000+ Fahrenheit" -
that's enough, right?

Here in Seattle, use of "weed burners" is illegal. FWIW.

Bob

Is the OP in Seattle? If not, who cares?

I just burned my "lawn" and garden off. It's finally time
to plant. And we're going to burn 20 acres of hay meadows off
that we weren't able to hay last year, due to Seattle-type
weather all frigging summer.

Jan in Alaska

--
Bedouin proverb: If you have no troubles, buy a goat.

"Jan Flora" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Bob F" wrote:

"Jack S" wrote in message
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I've got a rock "lawn" and I would like to quit using herbicide
for
killing weeds, and try scorching them instead.

There are a lot of weed / roofing torches on ebay and I was
wondering if there is anything to choose for or against in buying
one. The one I'm leaning toward getting says: "3000+
Fahrenheit" -
that's enough, right?

Here in Seattle, use of "weed burners" is illegal. FWIW.

Bob

Is the OP in Seattle? If not, who cares?

Just suggesting that it could be an issue. He could be in seattle, or
it could be illegal where he is.

Bob