Can anyone recommend any specific products for repairing and sealing an
old asphalt driveway? I have cracks and holes, but overall it is in
good shape. I'd like to seal the whole thing as I suspect it hasn't
been done in 20 years or so. Also where to purchase would be
appreciated, if any of the good products are available at Home Depot or
Lowe's. (I tried to look at HD the other night but never could find the
stuff, or an associate that wasn't busy attempting to help someone
else.) I do have several good independent stores around, if someone can
simply recommend a brand/product.

thanks,

nate

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Can anyone recommend any specific products for repairing and sealing an
old asphalt driveway? I have cracks and holes, but overall it is in good
shape. I'd like to seal the whole thing as I suspect it hasn't been done
in 20 years or so. Also where to purchase would be appreciated, if any of
the good products are available at Home Depot or Lowe's. (I tried to look
at HD the other night but never could find the stuff, or an associate that
wasn't busy attempting to help someone else.) I do have several good
independent stores around, if someone can simply recommend a
brand/product.

thanks,

nate

I just attended a seminar where we had a speaker on asphalt sealing. The
pot to do it right is $10,000. Anything less than a professional job is
just that, and won't last very long. One of the keys to knowing if you need
sealing is cracking and turning grey.

Do it right, unless you are going to sell, and then it don't matter unless
you get a buyer who knows what's going on.

Steve

On May 6, 8:53 pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Nate Nagel" wrote in message

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Can anyone recommend any specific products for repairing and sealing an
old asphalt driveway? I have cracks and holes, but overall it is in good
shape. I'd like to seal the whole thing as I suspect it hasn't been done
in 20 years or so. Also where to purchase would be appreciated, if any of
the good products are available at Home Depot or Lowe's. (I tried to look
at HD the other night but never could find the stuff, or an associate that
wasn't busy attempting to help someone else.) I do have several good
independent stores around, if someone can simply recommend a
brand/product.

thanks,

nate

I just attended a seminar where we had a speaker on asphalt sealing. The
pot to do it right is $10,000. Anything less than a professional job is
just that, and won't last very long. One of the keys to knowing if you need
sealing is cracking and turning grey.

Do it right, unless you are going to sell, and then it don't matter unless
you get a buyer who knows what's going on.

Steve

Let's say that it doesn't bother me that it won't last very long,
because I don't have the money to hire a pro but something needs to be
done - at a minimum I need to cold-patch some holes. What then?

nate

I have a similar situation with my driveway and have had decent
success with products available at Home Depot and Lowes.
Unfortunately, cant tell you the names off the top of my head...but
both stores have the same stuff, just different brand names.
Basically, its a black, paste-like mixture that comes in a small
bucket. You lay it on with a trowel and work it into cracks and/or
reform missing portions with the trowel. It will dry in the sun and
harden in place. Then once its fully set, you apply the regular
sealant to finish the job. I'm sure Steve is right that this is only a
temporary fix, but we also arent to a point where we can afford a
complete redo of the driveway, and for us this has worked decently. A
couple things to note from my experience working with this patch
material.... Make sure you use it on a sunny day (tried on a colder
day, and the material never fully "cured"...cracked soon
after)...also, make sure you clean out as much grass and junk from
below the crack and really pack it in to avoid any gaps underneath -
so that it doesnt settle and crack. The manufacturer says this stuff
should not be used for holes larger than 6" I believe, but I've never
had a need to do that, so cant tell you if it would work well for
large holes. Hope that helps.

"N8N" wrote

Let's say that it doesn't bother me that it won't last very long,
because I don't have the money to hire a pro but something needs to be
done - at a minimum I need to cold-patch some holes. What then?

nate

Nate, asking how long you want it to last is important. And for you to say
you don't NEED it to last long is a good answer to which I can reply.

If it was me, I'd just call anyone and ask what they would charge to do it.
For a seal job that doesn't need to last long and require the $10,000 pot, I
would think you should be able to find some local guy to do the work. I'd
just ask around and compare prices. If you want to do it yourself, call
asphalt suppliers and perhaps roofers, and find the goop yourself. Trouble
is, by the time you do all that, and get stuff goopy that you'll probably
have to throw away, it's just as cheap to get someone else to do it. Or, if
you CAN save some bucks on doing it yourself, you can hire day workers and
let them do the dirty parts.

BTW, cleaning the cracks is not that essential. If you get them too clean,
the goop will just keep running in the holes. Top brooming and a leaf
blower is good enough. The big difference between DIY, amateur, and pro
jobs is the life of the seal, the composition of the goop. The cheap stuff
is easily scuffed off by tires, shoes, and dirt grinding on it. Plus, the
softer stuff may track into your house and cars if you're not careful and
let it dry really good.

Good luck. Let us know what you chose, and how it works.

Steve

Steve B wrote:
"N8N" wrote


Let's say that it doesn't bother me that it won't last very long,
because I don't have the money to hire a pro but something needs to be
done - at a minimum I need to cold-patch some holes. What then?

nate


Nate, asking how long you want it to last is important. And for you to say
you don't NEED it to last long is a good answer to which I can reply.

If it was me, I'd just call anyone and ask what they would charge to do it.
For a seal job that doesn't need to last long and require the $10,000 pot, I
would think you should be able to find some local guy to do the work. I'd
just ask around and compare prices. If you want to do it yourself, call
asphalt suppliers and perhaps roofers, and find the goop yourself. Trouble
is, by the time you do all that, and get stuff goopy that you'll probably
have to throw away, it's just as cheap to get someone else to do it. Or, if
you CAN save some bucks on doing it yourself, you can hire day workers and
let them do the dirty parts.

BTW, cleaning the cracks is not that essential. If you get them too clean,
the goop will just keep running in the holes. Top brooming and a leaf
blower is good enough. The big difference between DIY, amateur, and pro
jobs is the life of the seal, the composition of the goop. The cheap stuff
is easily scuffed off by tires, shoes, and dirt grinding on it. Plus, the
softer stuff may track into your house and cars if you're not careful and
let it dry really good.

Good luck. Let us know what you chose, and how it works.

Steve



It's not that I don't *want* it to last forever; there's several issues.

1) I don't have a lot of ready cash, having just bought the place.
2) Several sections of the driveway will have to be redone in the vague
future, mostly about a car length in front of the garage, and the apron.
I'd actually prefer to have those cut out and replaced with concrete,
esp. in front of the garage, so I could use it as a work space (jack
stands + asphalt = mess)
3) I am sure the cost of the "pros" is ludicrous compared to DIY; it was
over $1K to have a water heater replaced recently. The girlie called
around to several different plumbers and all their prices were within
$100 or so of each other. Costs are just out of control here (DC area)
probably due to the high cost of living. If I add patching into the
equation I am sure I might as well just offer up my nether regions.

so it's more a matter of if I can keep the parts that are in good shape
to not deteriorate any for 2-3 years, when I'll have to seal it again
and/or get it done by a pro, I'm OK with that.

nate

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"Nate Nagel" wrote

so it's more a matter of if I can keep the parts that are in good shape to
not deteriorate any for 2-3 years, when I'll have to seal it again and/or
get it done by a pro, I'm OK with that.

nate

In your position, it is smart to just hold the line. If you do nothing, it
will go to hell real quick. Even if you use HD or Lowe's products, it's
going to be better than doing nothing.

Good luck.

Steve

On May 7, 6:47 pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Nate Nagel" wrote

so it's more a matter of if I can keep the parts that are in good shape to
not deteriorate any for 2-3 years, when I'll have to seal it again and/or
get it done by a pro, I'm OK with that.

nate

In your position, it is smart to just hold the line. If you do nothing, it
will go to hell real quick. Even if you use HD or Lowe's products, it's
going to be better than doing nothing.

Good luck.

Steve

OK, that's kind of what I was thinking. After doing some web searches
I see that some people seem to have strong opinions about coal tar
based products and that in their opinion it might actually be
preferable to use the cheap sealer which doesn't last as long because
they seem to think that the coal tar can actually be detrimental to
the asphalt - true/false?

thanks,

nate

On May 8, 8:05 am, N8N wrote:
On May 7, 6:47 pm, "Steve B" wrote:

"Nate Nagel" wrote

so it's more a matter of if I can keep the parts that are in good shape to
not deteriorate any for 2-3 years, when I'll have to seal it again and/or
get it done by a pro, I'm OK with that.

nate

In your position, it is smart to just hold the line. If you do nothing, it
will go to hell real quick. Even if you use HD or Lowe's products, it's
going to be better than doing nothing.

Good luck.

Steve

OK, that's kind of what I was thinking. After doing some web searches
I see that some people seem to have strong opinions about coal tar
based products and that in their opinion it might actually be
preferable to use the cheap sealer which doesn't last as long because
they seem to think that the coal tar can actually be detrimental to
the asphalt - true/false?

thanks,

nate



I've always just gone down to HD or Lowes and bought the best stuff
they have. It's like $17 for 5 gals of the lowest cost, maybe $22 for
the best. And it lasts about 7 years or so.

Also, if you're planning on doing patch work, get started on that
first and read the directions. Products like cold patch have to cure
for about a month before you can seal coat it. It cures faster if it
gets rained on quite a bit.