New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a hole in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

TIA

Steve

"steve" wrote in
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New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to
the right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Pull a new wire from the source point (breaker box or junction box).

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

No! That's a fire hazard (and completely illegal).

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole
tonight. If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I
can pull the old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a
hole in the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

Not even close to normal.

"steve" wrote in message
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New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a hole
in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

TIA

Steve



Don't think that's normal,
but, you can easily fix it by putting in one of those boxes that install
into a finished wall with the tabs that flip up and hold the back of the
drywall. Then you can make a regular junction and extend the wires as much
as you need.

Dave

New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a hole
in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

TIA

Steve

Did you have a regular outlet behind the stove? The exhaust fan might
be fed from that outlet, and if you are within the same stud bay, you
can run a new line from the outlet up to the new location.

Like zephyr posted, you need to add a box. The junction (wire nuts, etc)
need to be accessible, so you can put a blank style switch cover over the
box, and do not cover up the box with a cabinet, or whatever.

bill


"steve" wrote in message
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New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a hole
in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

TIA

Steve

"bill allemann" wrote in message
.. .
Like zephyr posted, you need to add a box. The junction (wire nuts, etc)
need to be accessible, so you can put a blank style switch cover over the
box, and do not cover up the box with a cabinet, or whatever.

bill

So how do I get the wires from the box in the wall through the punch-out
that's on the vent?

There was no box in the wall originally.
Just the wires coming out through a hole in the wall directly into the old
Stove vent.


Thanks

Steve

"steve" wrote in message
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"bill allemann" wrote in message
.. .
Like zephyr posted, you need to add a box. The junction (wire nuts, etc)
need to be accessible, so you can put a blank style switch cover over the
box, and do not cover up the box with a cabinet, or whatever.

bill

So how do I get the wires from the box in the wall through the punch-out
that's on the vent?

There was no box in the wall originally.
Just the wires coming out through a hole in the wall directly into the old
Stove vent.


Thanks

Steve



Steve, take the wires that run thru the hole and have them end in the new
box, then get some additional wire and have the new wire connected to the
existing wire inside the box, and from there into the vent unit.

you can extend the wire all you want, as long as the connection is made
inside a box. which is supposed to be accessible, hence the blank
faceplates and no cupboards in the way.

Personally, as long as you have to have a box in the wall anyway, you might
as well make it an outlet while you are at it.


old wire outlet new wire vent
-------------------[ ] ------------------------------[ ]


Dave

If you can pull the cable up into the attic and reroute it to the new
location, that would be fine. If it's not long enough to reach, you can
install a junction box in the attic and run a new, longer piece of cable
down to the new location. Typical kitchen fans DON'T have boxes behind them.
The cable just comes through a hole in the wall and attaches to the exhaust
fan unit via a cable connector, which you install in the knock out provided




"steve" wrote in message
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New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a hole
in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

TIA

Steve

"steve" wrote in message
news
New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?


Never!


I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a hole
in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.


Yes with the proper connector on the hood.



Steve


If I remember correctly the current National Electrical Code permits the use
of cords, plugs, and receptacles for a hood fan. If the wire is long
enough, bring it up inside the wall to the cabinet above the stove and
install a receptacle there. The same way that it is done for microwave
ovens. Then you can add an appliance cord and plug onto the hood and drill a
hole in the bottom of the cabinet to bring it up to the receptacle. If you
ever decide to change over to a microwave, the power will already be there
assuming the circuit can handle it.

On Apr 17, 10:58 am, "steve" wrote:
New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a hole in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

TIA

Steve

yes its normal not to use a box for the fan/light above the stove. the
hood is the box. it is probabaly being fed by a nearby recept. i would
try to find where it is fed from and disconnect it and try to run a
new line from the basement,or recpt located in the same bay as the
fan, the attic may be another option.
if you havent put in the new cabinets yet you can cut a strip of
drywall behind where the cabinets will be drill the studs and run wire
from nearest recpt, providing there is enough room in the box to for
them. it is likely to be the same recpt that now feeds it.

On Apr 17, 9:58 am, "steve" wrote:
New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a hole in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

TIA

Steve

You might be able to locate a new junction box inside the cabinets.
Use another piece of romex to wire the fan.


Not having a box for the fan is common, but not legal by the code.

Surface mount box, make the extension connection there.

--
Steve Barker




"steve" wrote in message
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New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a hole
in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

TIA

Steve

The junction box that makes it legal is built into the fan





"Terry" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Apr 17, 9:58 am, "steve" wrote:
New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole
tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull
the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a hole
in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

TIA

Steve

You might be able to locate a new junction box inside the cabinets.
Use another piece of romex to wire the fan.


Not having a box for the fan is common, but not legal by the code.

What you say is probably more common than not, however the NEC prohibits
wiring kitchen exhaust fans tapped from a kitchen outlet circuit




"sym" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 17, 10:58 am, "steve" wrote:
New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole
tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull
the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a hole
in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

TIA

Steve

yes its normal not to use a box for the fan/light above the stove. the
hood is the box. it is probabaly being fed by a nearby recept. i would
try to find where it is fed from and disconnect it and try to run a
new line from the basement,or recpt located in the same bay as the
fan, the attic may be another option.
if you havent put in the new cabinets yet you can cut a strip of
drywall behind where the cabinets will be drill the studs and run wire
from nearest recpt, providing there is enough room in the box to for
them. it is likely to be the same recpt that now feeds it.

"RBM" rbm2(remove wrote in message
...
What you say is probably more common than not, however the NEC prohibits
wiring kitchen exhaust fans tapped from a kitchen outlet circuit


Roy I thought that this had been changed, but I cannot find it in the 2005
book. Maybe it was just up for discussion. I have noticed that many of the
20 year condos in my area do have the hood connected to the countertop
receptacles. Perhaps it is a New Jersey thing.



"sym" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 17, 10:58 am, "steve" wrote:
New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to
the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole
tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull
the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a
hole
in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

TIA

Steve

yes its normal not to use a box for the fan/light above the stove. the
hood is the box. it is probabaly being fed by a nearby recept. i would
try to find where it is fed from and disconnect it and try to run a
new line from the basement,or recpt located in the same bay as the
fan, the attic may be another option.
if you havent put in the new cabinets yet you can cut a strip of
drywall behind where the cabinets will be drill the studs and run wire
from nearest recpt, providing there is enough room in the box to for
them. it is likely to be the same recpt that now feeds it.

NEVER splice and tape wires inside a wall. If I understand your
situation, either replace the whole cable, or put a box in the wall
behind the cabinets and have this box accessible INSIDE the cabinet.
Just put a blank cover on it. Or if your cereal boxes need power, put
an outlet inside the cabinet.

If you were real lucky, you might be able to restaple the wire in the
attic and get enough slack to go that extra foot.


On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:58:54 -0400, "steve" wrote:

New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a hole in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

TIA

Steve

John, my guess is that most of the condos in NY are wired that way too. NEC
210.52 (B)(2) only allows exceptions for clock outlets and auxiliary
equipment attached to gas cooking equipment. I checked both 2005 and 1999,
although it could be something that's going to change in the next edition



"John Grabowski" wrote in message
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"RBM" rbm2(remove wrote in message
...
What you say is probably more common than not, however the NEC prohibits
wiring kitchen exhaust fans tapped from a kitchen outlet circuit


Roy I thought that this had been changed, but I cannot find it in the 2005
book. Maybe it was just up for discussion. I have noticed that many of
the
20 year condos in my area do have the hood connected to the countertop
receptacles. Perhaps it is a New Jersey thing.



"sym" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 17, 10:58 am, "steve" wrote:
New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to
the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole
tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull
the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a
hole
in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

TIA

Steve

yes its normal not to use a box for the fan/light above the stove. the
hood is the box. it is probabaly being fed by a nearby recept. i would
try to find where it is fed from and disconnect it and try to run a
new line from the basement,or recpt located in the same bay as the
fan, the attic may be another option.
if you havent put in the new cabinets yet you can cut a strip of
drywall behind where the cabinets will be drill the studs and run wire
from nearest recpt, providing there is enough room in the box to for
them. it is likely to be the same recpt that now feeds it.

On Apr 18, 7:21 am, "RBM" rbm2(remove wrote:
What you say is probably more common than not, however the NEC prohibits
wiring kitchen exhaust fans tapped from a kitchen outlet circuit

"sym" wrote in message

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On Apr 17, 10:58 am, "steve" wrote:
New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?

Can I just put wire nuts and tape them?

I'm not sure if there is a stud in the way? I'll explore the hole
tonight.
If I have to get on the other side of the stud I may see if I can pull
the
old line and run a new line from the attic.

Is it "normal" to not install a box and just run the wires through a hole
in
the wall and into the back of the stove vent.

TIA

Steve

yes its normal not to use a box for the fan/light above the stove. the
hood is the box. it is probabaly being fed by a nearby recept. i would
try to find where it is fed from and disconnect it and try to run a
new line from the basement,or recpt located in the same bay as the
fan, the attic may be another option.
if you havent put in the new cabinets yet you can cut a strip of
drywall behind where the cabinets will be drill the studs and run wire
from nearest recpt, providing there is enough room in the box to for
them. it is likely to be the same recpt that now feeds it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

yup good ole nec. authority having jurisdiction really can keep ya
guessing especially when you work in differnt jurisdictions.

John Grabowski wrote:

"steve" wrote in message
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New cabinets will cause the Stove to be repositioned about 1 foot to the
right.
The wiring that went to the light / exhaust vent is to short to reach.
The wires just came out of a hole in the wall, no box there.

What's the best way to extend these wires?



If I remember correctly the current National Electrical Code permits the use
of cords, plugs, and receptacles for a hood fan. If the wire is long
enough, bring it up inside the wall to the cabinet above the stove and
install a receptacle there. The same way that it is done for microwave
ovens. Then you can add an appliance cord and plug onto the hood and drill a
hole in the bottom of the cabinet to bring it up to the receptacle. If you
ever decide to change over to a microwave, the power will already be there
assuming the circuit can handle it.



The 2005 NEC had an addition for hoods. An outlet is allowed but
required to be on an "individual branch circuit". A code change book
says this is aimed at combined hood-microwave units, but it covers
plug-in hoods even if the cabinets would not allow installation of a
microwave. The change is concealed at 422.16(B)(4).

An outlet is a nice fix and I would ignore the "individual" circuit (but
if this will be inspected check with the inspector).

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