I am wondering....

I have a long unused 'Vector' burglar alarm system consisting of a
non-working console panel which used to be connected to 'Vector via
phone line, All the door and window sensors are still in place.

Can I buy a replacement console that will work with my sensors, and
use the alarm with some sort of horn I would mount on the house?

Or should I even consider such a thing?

Thanks

Jethro

On Feb 19, 6:07 am, Jethro wrote:
I am wondering....

I have a long unused 'Vector' burglar alarm system consisting of a
non-working console panel which used to be connected to 'Vector via
phone line, All the door and window sensors are still in place.

Can I buy a replacement console that will work with my sensors, and
use the alarm with some sort of horn I would mount on the house?

Or should I even consider such a thing?

Thanks

Jethro

In all likelyhood, the wiring and sensors should all still be good.
You can buy a relacement alarm panel and just rewire all the zones
into that panel.

Jethro,

Yes, you can do that. And a lot of the wiring is already done. But first
ask whether horns are effective where you live. A friend lived rurally and
used this horn type system. His home was burgled, the horn went off, no one
noticed except a neighbor who asked him about it a couple of days later.

Dave M.

On Feb 19, 7:32 am, "David Martel" wrote:
Jethro,

Yes, you can do that. And a lot of the wiring is already done. But first
ask whether horns are effective where you live. A friend lived rurally and
used this horn type system. His home was burgled, the horn went off, no one
noticed except a neighbor who asked him about it a couple of days later.

Dave M.

When you live in the sticks your options are limited. A very large
dog is reccommended. No thief want to tangle with a dog no matter how
big or small. A larger dog is a larger deterrent however.

A watchdog is a better protector than any alarm or even a firearm.
the bad guys are more afraid of a dog than anything else even a
firearm.

Lawrence wrote:

When you live in the sticks your options are limited. A very large
dog is reccommended. No thief want to tangle with a dog no matter how
big or small. A larger dog is a larger deterrent however.

A watchdog is a better protector than any alarm or even a firearm.
the bad guys are more afraid of a dog than anything else even a
firearm.

There's no reason you can't have both a firearm and a dog.

If you shoot first, the dog will have an easier time putting the bite on the
goblin.

If the dog gnaws on the scrot first, you'll have an easier shot.

They work together.

Against dogs pepper spray works well.

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:07:01 GMT, Jethro wrote:

I am wondering....

I have a long unused 'Vector' burglar alarm system consisting of a
non-working console panel which used to be connected to 'Vector via
phone line, All the door and window sensors are still in place.

Can I buy a replacement console that will work with my sensors, and
use the alarm with some sort of horn I would mount on the house?

Or should I even consider such a thing?

Absolutely.

A lot of people are very dubious about sirens and horns. I se there
point, but I still believe in them.

If you don't want to pay 15 a month for monitoring, they may still
sell, or ebay has, voice dialiers that you can connect to your alarm.

Some are meant to be connected to the fob that old people wear around
their neck (I've fallen and I can't get up.), and others are meant for
burglar alarms. I think I paid 100 dollars for mine and I got it
connected but I never actually turned it on. Then the burglar alarm
panel burned up, and now I'm depending on a friend who owns a burglar
alarm compnay and I pretty much have to get monitoring. He may give
me a discount.

To use a dialer, you have to know someone who usually answers the
phone, yourself at work, your mother who rarely goes out, a friend.
The dialers dial more than one number (3?) and play the message you
choose to each one, in succession. If the person getting the message
presses 1 or something, it won't call any more people. Then or even
if he didn't press 1, that person has to call the police.

I like the siren because if everything is silent, it might increase
the chance of caatching the burglar, but the siren may cause him to
leave first. The one burglary I had, the guy broke in but took
nothing, I suspect because the dog next door started barking. I hated
that dog for keeping me from sleeping at 11PM and for waking me up at
7, but I guess he saved me from the burglar. If a dog can do this, a
siren can do it too. Burglars don't want to get caught. You can have
a dialer or monitoring also.

And of course the police don't respond instantaneously.

I know about neighbors not responding. I have glass and wood breakage
detectors, which worked with the doorbell, but then I got a nicer
doorbell and put the original one in the basement, but then there
was't enough power to run both of them so I got a bigger doorbell
transformer, and I didn't think about the burglar alarm. I found out
maybe a year later that whenever there was a certified letter for me,
or something that made the mailman ring the doorbell, the alarm went
off. The mailman should have told me, but he didnt'. A neighbor
mentioned it in passing after this happened maybe several times.



I'lll tell you another story. My borther bought a beautiful house
built in the 70's. It had a burglar alarm but he never used it, not
even when he went out of town. I don't know how many burglaries there
were there, in what had been probably one of the nicest n'hoods in
town when the house was built. When I visited, I decided to get it
working for him, so I armed it and tested a door, and I don't remember
what happened, but 5, 10 or 15 minutes later - i dont remember -- I
was going to take his bicycle and go for a ride, and I had the bik in
my hands with the garage door open when the polic arrived. I told
them I was visiting my brother, and I had tested the alarm. I have
the same last name he does, but they didn't ask to see my wallet, or
id, they didnt' ask if I had a key (which I did), they didnt' ask
anything, even though it could have been that I was stealing the
bicycle. I was 42 at the time, but looked younger. It was
disgusting, because if I had been a burglar, they would never have
noticed.

This was Dallas fwiw.


OTOH, if I had been black, even if i did have the same last name and
even if I had a key that fit the door, they might have arrested me.




Thanks

Jethro

On 19 Feb 2007 08:00:14 -0800, "Lawrence"
wrote:


A watchdog is a better protector than any alarm or even a firearm.
the bad guys are more afraid of a dog than anything else even a
firearm.

There is no reason the dog can't have a firearm.

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:29:41 -0500, mm
wrote:


OTOH, if I had been black, even if i did have the same last name and
even if I had a key that fit the door, they might have arrested me.

Well, probably not if I had a key.

On Feb 19, 11:16 am, te wrote:
Against dogs pepper spray works well.

Are you a home intruder?? If the answer is no then how do you know.
Pepper spray works if you are delivering the mail. I wouldn't take
any chances with a dog during a robbery. You better have a large
caliber firearm ready to go.

Tests with Dobermans have proven that a dog can beat a man to his gun
at 15 feet. One chinese emperor wanted to prove to his dogs were
capable. he put the dog on attack and then beheaded the dog with a
long sword. The dog did not stop biting even after being severed from
the head.

A dog in a real fight is a fearsome thing indeed. Multiple dogs are
the stuff of nightmares. I have never seen it but am a student of dog
training and have read the stories. The criminals have read the same
stories.

Their reflexes are so strong that they will be fighting literally for
their life. They are so much faster and more deadly than you that you
have almost no chance. Just to say, most bad guys won't fool around
with you place if you have one or more dogs. The police know this
from interviews with criminals and routinely reccommend dogs to people
who ask for protection.

When the police enter a house known to have a dog they might prefer to
call first. Seriously, the SWAT team uses tear gas on houses know to
have dogs and gas is the only way to defeat them except to come in
shooting and nobody wants that. Few burglers have access to tear
gas.

Sometimes the bad guys will try to poison your dogs but there is
training for the dog that can be used if you are worried. Involves
baiting the dog with a pork chop that has a live wire inside. They
say you only have to teach them once.

On Feb 19, 11:16 am, te wrote:
Against dogs pepper spray works well.

Against dogs pepper spray works well.


Are you a home intruder?? If the answer is no then how do you know?
Pepper spray works if you are delivering the mail. I wouldn't take
any chances with a dog during a robbery. You better have a large
caliber firearm ready to go.

Tests with Dobermans have proven that a dog can beat a man to his gun
at 15 feet. One chinese emperor wanted to prove to his guests that
his dogs were capable. He put the dog on attack and then beheaded the
dog with a
long sword. The dog did not stop biting even after being severed
from
the head. There are many stories.

A dog in a real fight is a fearsome thing indeed. Multiple dogs are
the stuff of nightmares. I have never seen it but am a student of
dog
training and have read the stories. The criminals have read the same
stories.

Their reflexes are so strong that they will be fighting literally for
their life. They are so much faster and more deadly than you that
you
have almost no chance. Just to say, most bad guys won't fool around
with you place if you have one or more dogs. The police know this
from interviews with criminals and routinely reccommend dogs to
people
who ask for protection.

When the police enter a house known to have a dog they might prefer
to
call first, lol. Seriously, the SWAT team uses tear gas on houses
known to
have dogs and gas is the only way to defeat them except to come in
shooting and nobody wants that. Few burglers want to use tear gas.

You are right to say to use gas but pepper spray has a low rate of
success compared to gas. From what I understand when you gas a place
the people and dogs inside will want to come outside as fast a
possible unless they have gas masks for dogs. That way the
confrontation is outside the house. Pepper spray is an invitation to
a private confrontation with your worst nighmare.

Sometimes the bad guys will try to poison your dogs but there is
training for the dog that can be used if you are worried. Involves
baiting the dog with a pork chop that has a live wire inside. They
say you only have to teach them once

On 19 Feb 2007 05:29:39 -0800, "Mikepier"
wrote:

On Feb 19, 6:07 am, Jethro wrote:
I am wondering....

I have a long unused 'Vector' burglar alarm system consisting of a
non-working console panel which used to be connected to 'Vector via
phone line, All the door and window sensors are still in place.

Can I buy a replacement console that will work with my sensors, and
use the alarm with some sort of horn I would mount on the house?

Or should I even consider such a thing?

Thanks

Jethro

In all likelyhood, the wiring and sensors should all still be good.
You can buy a relacement alarm panel and just rewire all the zones
into that panel.


I should have said -

My system is entirely remote - that is, there is no hard-wiring from
sensors to defunct control panel.

What now?

Jethro

Jethro inspired greatness with:

I am wondering....

I have a long unused 'Vector' burglar alarm system consisting of a
non-working console panel which used to be connected to 'Vector via
phone line, All the door and window sensors are still in place.

Can I buy a replacement console that will work with my sensors, and
use the alarm with some sort of horn I would mount on the house?

Or should I even consider such a thing?


You may be able to use the current control if you can access dealer
level programming. You need to provide the brand of the panel, Vector
is a monitoring company - not a manufacturer. Manufactures will often
privately brand control panels, and sometimes the programming is
proprietary. Either way, you'll be able to use the wireless devices
with a panel swap. State the panel and I'll get you a manual for it.

A more useful group for this question is alt.security.alarms, but mind
you they are not DIY friendly if you are asking for hand holding.

mm decided the DFW police are racist by spewing:

OTOH, if I had been black, even if i did have the same last name and
even if I had a key that fit the door, they might have arrested me.


Hmm.. Statements like that are uncalled for.

"Jethro" wrote in message
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On 19 Feb 2007 05:29:39 -0800, "Mikepier"
wrote:

On Feb 19, 6:07 am, Jethro wrote:
I am wondering....

I have a long unused 'Vector' burglar alarm system consisting of a
non-working console panel which used to be connected to 'Vector via
phone line, All the door and window sensors are still in place.

Can I buy a replacement console that will work with my sensors, and
use the alarm with some sort of horn I would mount on the house?

Or should I even consider such a thing?

Thanks

Jethro

In all likelyhood, the wiring and sensors should all still be good.
You can buy a relacement alarm panel and just rewire all the zones
into that panel.


I should have said -

My system is entirely remote - that is, there is no hard-wiring from
sensors to defunct control panel.

In the alarm world, remote does not necessarily mean wireless. Did you mean
wireless? I'm guessing yes. Was the receiver(s) a part of the old dead
system? If not, and if the receivers work, then yes it can be done. Just
buy a new alarm panel (control board + keypad) and wire it up.

If the receiver was part of the old system, then no. It also would be
cheaper & easier to start all over. Probably end up with a better system
too; some wireless alarm things now are pretty slick.

mm wrote:

This was Dallas fwiw.


OTOH, if I had been black, even if i did have the same last name and
even if I had a key that fit the door, they might have arrested me.


Just because YOU can't tell a righteous citizen from a goblin, don't think
the police can't.

As an ex-cop, I can still spot a scrot or a mope or a squint a mile away.

Here is a cool pic of one of my dogs, Buddy. he is very protective!!

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...0/DSCF0035.jpg

HeyBub said:

As an ex-cop, I can still spot a scrot or a mope or a squint a mile away.



WTF is a scrot, mope, or squint?

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:58:59 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

mm wrote:

This was Dallas fwiw.


OTOH, if I had been black, even if i did have the same last name and
even if I had a key that fit the door, they might have arrested me.


Just because YOU can't tell a righteous citizen from a goblin, don't think
the police can't.

I think if the monitoring calls the police and tells them an alarm has
gone off, they should check it out better when they get there.

As an ex-cop, I can still spot a scrot or a mope or a squint a mile away.

You ever watch Judge Judy? She calls herself a truth machine, and
since she never believes any statement that contradicts what she
thinks, she never gets any contradiction. Same thing here.

"Shinola" wrote in message
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HeyBub said:

As an ex-cop, I can still spot a scrot or a mope or a squint a mile away.



WTF is a scrot, mope, or squint?

scrotum, maybe a prevert?
mope is a mope around depressed type person, psycho type
squint has something to do with the eyes, maybe a lookout?

Shinola wrote:
HeyBub said:

As an ex-cop, I can still spot a scrot or a mope or a squint a mile
away.



WTF is a scrot, mope, or squint?

Scrot = Naughty-bit pervert (from a Joseph Wambaugh novel)
Mope = One who exposes himself to a blind person. Often used with "Felonious
Mopery"
Squint = Half a squirt. Similar to "Roach" in that both are adverse to
light, but squints are slower.

Cops have other endearing names for members of society:

Goblin
Solid waste
Blotto
Slamhog/Slamdog
Carl
Neck
Mook
FLASH (Fat, Lazy Ass, **** Head)
Bug


and more. Most are department-specific.

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"Shinola" wrote in message
.. .
HeyBub said:

As an ex-cop, I can still spot a scrot or a mope or a squint a mile away.



WTF is a scrot, mope, or squint?

scrotum, maybe a prevert?
mope is a mope around depressed type person, psycho type
squint has something to do with the eyes, maybe a lookout?



Cop lingo I guess.

scrotum, maybe a prevert?
mope is a mope around depressed type person, psycho type
squint has something to do with the eyes, maybe a lookout?



Cop lingo I guess.

yea, guess I was right on the scrot but off a little on the other 2. maybe
we will get definitions on the new slang in HeyBub's reply. I hope.

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:12:31 -0700, "Bob M." wrote:


"Jethro" wrote in message
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On 19 Feb 2007 05:29:39 -0800, "Mikepier"
wrote:

On Feb 19, 6:07 am, Jethro wrote:
I am wondering....

I have a long unused 'Vector' burglar alarm system consisting of a
non-working console panel which used to be connected to 'Vector via
phone line, All the door and window sensors are still in place.

Can I buy a replacement console that will work with my sensors, and
use the alarm with some sort of horn I would mount on the house?

Or should I even consider such a thing?

Thanks

Jethro

In all likelyhood, the wiring and sensors should all still be good.
You can buy a relacement alarm panel and just rewire all the zones
into that panel.


I should have said -

My system is entirely remote - that is, there is no hard-wiring from
sensors to defunct control panel.

In the alarm world, remote does not necessarily mean wireless. Did you mean
wireless? I'm guessing yes. Was the receiver(s) a part of the old dead
system? If not, and if the receivers work, then yes it can be done. Just
buy a new alarm panel (control board + keypad) and wire it up.

If the receiver was part of the old system, then no. It also would be
cheaper & easier to start all over. Probably end up with a better system
too; some wireless alarm things now are pretty slick.

Yeh - I see packages around $175. I don't think you get any sensors
(?receivers?) in that price though - and surprisingly (to me) the
sensors seem to be expensive in the area of $30 each. I would need 4
door sensors and 10 window sensors. Sounds like another $400 to me!
I must be wrong somewhere.

A company called Vector sold/installed my old system. Said system was
hit by a lightning surge (through phone line), which required
replacing the control console, They charge me (insurance company)
$500 for that. Wow! Anyway, I got hit again with a surge a year
later, and decided not to replace the console, and cancelled Vector.

In case you're wondering - yes I have installed some surge protection.
One outside at the meter for the whole house. 3 years now, and no
more surges (yet). I also removed the lightning target on the roof.
:)

Jethro

"Shinola" wrote in message
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"Shinola" wrote in message
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HeyBub said:

As an ex-cop, I can still spot a scrot or a mope or a squint a mile
away.



WTF is a scrot, mope, or squint?

scrotum, maybe a prevert?
mope is a mope around depressed type person, psycho type
squint has something to do with the eyes, maybe a lookout?



Cop lingo I guess.

Bet some old DragNet re-runs could answer the question.