are they legal and does anyone still make them? no one around here
sells them

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are they legal and does anyone still make them? no one around here
sells them


I don't know why you would want one, but it may be possible to have one
made. In big cities such as New York I have found that there are
fabricators that can put together a number of combinations and
configurations. Check the Thomas Guide to locate a company.

bump

Fuses come in many sizes and ratings can you be more specific
wrote:
are they legal and does anyone still make them? no one around here
sells them

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JGolan wrote:
wrote:
are they legal and does anyone still make them? no one around here
sells them

Fuses come in many sizes and ratings can you be more specific

Obviously you've not been watching the sidebar thread on replacing
existing fuse panel...

For Haller, as far as I know NEC has not "de-listed" them. Of course,
local codes can and often do have their own additional restrictions.

I'm not sure if there are any manufacturers still supplying them for
residential distribution or not; they certainly are available for
industrial applications.

That they are essentially obsolete for new residential construction is,
of course, yet another distinct issue from whether an existing panel
requires replacement.

John Grabowski wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
are they legal and does anyone still make them? no one around here
sells them


I don't know why you would want one, but it may be possible to have one
made. In big cities such as New York I have found that there are
fabricators that can put together a number of combinations and
configurations. Check the Thomas Guide to locate a company.

He doesn't, either...

You, too, have obviously not been following the thread on replacement.

The point of the question was to try to get additional ammo for his gun
that replacement is universally a_good_thing (TM) to the point of being
essentially mandatory irrespective of anything else but that it is a
fuse panel as opposed to a breaker panel.

On 4 Jan 2007 19:38:24 -0800, " wrote:

are they legal and does anyone still make them? no one around here
sells them

You can get 250 volt rated main disconnect panels, but I doubt very much that
fuse panels for branch circuits are still available. Large electrical supply
houses should stock them, of be able to get them. Brands are probably Square-D,
GE, Cutler-Hammer, Allen-Bradley. Legality - I don't know.

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On 4 Jan 2007 19:38:24 -0800, "
wrote:

are they legal and does anyone still make them? no one around here
sells them

Why you would want fuses instead of breakers I do not understand.
But, if you find an older electrician, he'd likely have some of them
and be happy to part with one for a few bucks. Or find a demolition
company and get a used one. Most do not go bad from normal use if
they were not in a wet location. Paint the exterior and it will look
new.

Of course you know the price of fuses these days are high. Replace 2
or 3 fuses, and you could have bought a breaker. Being and old timer,
I have never seen where fuses were bad, as long as the proper size was
used. Existing fuse boxes are fine as long as they are still in good
shape, but why anyone would install one new, makes little sense.

The worst thing about fuses was that half the boxes in the world have
oversized fuses. Not too long ago I did a little plumbing repair for
a local store. I went in the basement and noticed that the fuse box
had all green fuses. Yeah, 30amp fuses feeding all #14 wires. I
mentioned this to the owner, and he said if they use smaller fuses
they blow all the time. I explained to him the danger of fire, damage
to the wiring, and other problems, I made sure he was aware of the
dangers. When I finished telling him, he said he was not worried about
it, because they have used 30A fuses in there for the last 50 years.
So much for safety. Thats the biggest downfall of fuses. The
fusestats were an improvement but they cost more and tended to get
stuck at times. When the cheaper brands of breakers sell for less
than $5 each, why even bother with fuses.

=
The worst thing about fuses was that half the boxes in the world have
oversized fuses. Not too long ago I did a little plumbing repair for
a local store. I went in the basement and noticed that the fuse box
had all green fuses. Yeah, 30amp fuses feeding all #14 wires. I
mentioned this to the owner, and he said if they use smaller fuses
they blow all the time. I explained to him the danger of fire, damage
to the wiring, and other problems, I made sure he was aware of the
dangers. When I finished telling him, he said he was not worried about
it, because they have used 30A fuses in there for the last 50 years.
So much for safety. Thats the biggest downfall of fuses. The
fusestats were an improvement but they cost more and tended to get
stuck at times. When the cheaper brands of breakers sell for less
than $5 each, why even bother with fuses.

Yeah EVERY friend of mine with fuses has those nice green ones on 14
gauge wire.

my point is that fuses are functionally obsolete and panels should be
replaced whenever possible

wrote:
bump


For what? this is a newsgroup...

On 4 Jan 2007 19:38:24 -0800, "
wrote:

are they legal and does anyone still make them? no one around here
sells them

imho:

Probly not a market for them. Especially for residential market.
Since the manufacturer would have to defeat the stupidity of some home
owners using pennies.

tom @ www.FreeWorkAtHomeIdeas.com

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:04:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:26:15 -0500, Tom The Great
wrote:

Probly not a market for them. Especially for residential market.
Since the manufacturer would have to defeat the stupidity of some home
owners using pennies.


Fuse panels are legal but they have to be installed with type S
adapters and that precludes pennies or oversize fuses

imho:

The s fuse adaptors don't get added till actually wired. Since the
manufacturer doesn't know what each circuit amperage is, just the
overal rating of the panel.

So this could be a cause for abuse.

tom @ www.MedJobSite.com

On 6 Jan 2007 05:57:06 -0800, "
wrote:


=
The worst thing about fuses was that half the boxes in the world have
oversized fuses. Not too long ago I did a little plumbing repair for
a local store. I went in the basement and noticed that the fuse box
had all green fuses. Yeah, 30amp fuses feeding all #14 wires. I
mentioned this to the owner, and he said if they use smaller fuses
they blow all the time. I explained to him the danger of fire, damage
to the wiring, and other problems, I made sure he was aware of the
dangers. When I finished telling him, he said he was not worried about
it, because they have used 30A fuses in there for the last 50 years.
So much for safety. Thats the biggest downfall of fuses. The
fusestats were an improvement but they cost more and tended to get
stuck at times. When the cheaper brands of breakers sell for less
than $5 each, why even bother with fuses.

Yeah EVERY friend of mine with fuses has those nice green ones on 14
gauge wire.

my point is that fuses are functionally obsolete and panels should be
replaced whenever possible

If they made 100A fuses, people would use them......

wrote:

On 6 Jan 2007 05:57:06 -0800, "
wrote:


=

The worst thing about fuses was that half the boxes in the world have
oversized fuses. Not too long ago I did a little plumbing repair for
a local store. I went in the basement and noticed that the fuse box
had all green fuses. Yeah, 30amp fuses feeding all #14 wires. I
mentioned this to the owner, and he said if they use smaller fuses
they blow all the time. I explained to him the danger of fire, damage
to the wiring, and other problems, I made sure he was aware of the
dangers. When I finished telling him, he said he was not worried about
it, because they have used 30A fuses in there for the last 50 years.
So much for safety. Thats the biggest downfall of fuses. The
fusestats were an improvement but they cost more and tended to get
stuck at times. When the cheaper brands of breakers sell for less
than $5 each, why even bother with fuses.

Yeah EVERY friend of mine with fuses has those nice green ones on 14
gauge wire.

my point is that fuses are functionally obsolete and panels should be
replaced whenever possible


If they made 100A fuses, people would use them......

Those same people would replace circuit breakers, too.

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wrote:
On 6 Jan 2007 05:57:06 -0800, "
wrote:


=
The worst thing about fuses was that half the boxes in the world
have oversized fuses. Not too long ago I did a little plumbing
repair for a local store. I went in the basement and noticed that
the fuse box had all green fuses. Yeah, 30amp fuses feeding all
#14 wires. I mentioned this to the owner, and he said if they use
smaller fuses they blow all the time. I explained to him the
danger of fire, damage to the wiring, and other problems, I made
sure he was aware of the dangers. When I finished telling him, he
said he was not worried about it, because they have used 30A fuses
in there for the last 50 years. So much for safety. Thats the
biggest downfall of fuses. The fusestats were an improvement but
they cost more and tended to get stuck at times. When the cheaper
brands of breakers sell for less than $5 each, why even bother with
fuses.

Yeah EVERY friend of mine with fuses has those nice green ones on 14
gauge wire.

my point is that fuses are functionally obsolete and panels should be
replaced whenever possible

If they made 100A fuses, people would use them......

Same with breakers though; nothing to stop one from putting in 30A breakers
where 15s belong; end of annoying breaker trips. It really makes no
difference to those who don't care.

Pop`

I'm remembering a post on alt hvac, years ago. Someone at the
business noticed that a 5 amp fuse blew about once a week. he
replaced it with a 30 amp fuse, figuring it would last six weeks.
A week later, several components were fried instead of the 50
cent fuse.

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You have to starve them.
..

wrote in message
news
Yeah EVERY friend of mine with fuses has those nice green ones
on 14
gauge wire.

my point is that fuses are functionally obsolete and panels
should be
replaced whenever possible

If they made 100A fuses, people would use them......

In article 5TWnh.744$%Q4.504@trnddc06,
says...
wrote:
On 6 Jan 2007 05:57:06 -0800, "
wrote:


=
The worst thing about fuses was that half the boxes in the world
have oversized fuses. Not too long ago I did a little plumbing
repair for a local store. I went in the basement and noticed that
the fuse box had all green fuses. Yeah, 30amp fuses feeding all
#14 wires. I mentioned this to the owner, and he said if they use
smaller fuses they blow all the time. I explained to him the
danger of fire, damage to the wiring, and other problems, I made
sure he was aware of the dangers. When I finished telling him, he
said he was not worried about it, because they have used 30A fuses
in there for the last 50 years. So much for safety. Thats the
biggest downfall of fuses. The fusestats were an improvement but
they cost more and tended to get stuck at times. When the cheaper
brands of breakers sell for less than $5 each, why even bother with
fuses.

Yeah EVERY friend of mine with fuses has those nice green ones on 14
gauge wire.

my point is that fuses are functionally obsolete and panels should be
replaced whenever possible

If they made 100A fuses, people would use them......

Same with breakers though; nothing to stop one from putting in 30A breakers
where 15s belong; end of annoying breaker trips. It really makes no
difference to those who don't care.

If you didn't have to pull the cover off the panel and get down
dirty with a screwdriver, you'd have a point. Most homeowners are
scared ****less of what's inside the panel so do go there. Fuses
are intended to be replaced by homeowners. Breakers are not.

--
Keith

krw wrote:
In article 5TWnh.744$%Q4.504@trnddc06,
says...

wrote:

On 6 Jan 2007 05:57:06 -0800, "
wrote:


=

The worst thing about fuses was that half the boxes in the world
have oversized fuses. Not too long ago I did a little plumbing
repair for a local store. I went in the basement and noticed that
the fuse box had all green fuses. Yeah, 30amp fuses feeding all
#14 wires. I mentioned this to the owner, and he said if they use
smaller fuses they blow all the time. I explained to him the
danger of fire, damage to the wiring, and other problems, I made
sure he was aware of the dangers. When I finished telling him, he
said he was not worried about it, because they have used 30A fuses
in there for the last 50 years. So much for safety. Thats the
biggest downfall of fuses. The fusestats were an improvement but
they cost more and tended to get stuck at times. When the cheaper
brands of breakers sell for less than $5 each, why even bother with
fuses.

Yeah EVERY friend of mine with fuses has those nice green ones on 14
gauge wire.

my point is that fuses are functionally obsolete and panels should be
replaced whenever possible

If they made 100A fuses, people would use them......

Same with breakers though; nothing to stop one from putting in 30A breakers
where 15s belong; end of annoying breaker trips. It really makes no
difference to those who don't care.


If you didn't have to pull the cover off the panel and get down
dirty with a screwdriver, you'd have a point. Most homeowners are
scared ****less of what's inside the panel so do go there. Fuses
are intended to be replaced by homeowners. Breakers are not.

I think most people who are willing to improvise with fuses will also be
willing to do so with breakers.

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A bozo customer of mine trying to get more speed out of a mnachine I
service went from a 5 amp glass fuse to a 30 amp and burned out 2
motors.

when I caught them I changed to a different motror control board that
limited current to 5 amps no matter what they did

idiots are everywhere, apparently peopl;e are afraid to install over
sized breakers|?

In article ,
says...
krw wrote:
In article 5TWnh.744$%Q4.504@trnddc06,
says...

wrote:

On 6 Jan 2007 05:57:06 -0800, "
wrote:


=

The worst thing about fuses was that half the boxes in the world
have oversized fuses. Not too long ago I did a little plumbing
repair for a local store. I went in the basement and noticed that
the fuse box had all green fuses. Yeah, 30amp fuses feeding all
#14 wires. I mentioned this to the owner, and he said if they use
smaller fuses they blow all the time. I explained to him the
danger of fire, damage to the wiring, and other problems, I made
sure he was aware of the dangers. When I finished telling him, he
said he was not worried about it, because they have used 30A fuses
in there for the last 50 years. So much for safety. Thats the
biggest downfall of fuses. The fusestats were an improvement but
they cost more and tended to get stuck at times. When the cheaper
brands of breakers sell for less than $5 each, why even bother with
fuses.

Yeah EVERY friend of mine with fuses has those nice green ones on 14
gauge wire.

my point is that fuses are functionally obsolete and panels should be
replaced whenever possible

If they made 100A fuses, people would use them......

Same with breakers though; nothing to stop one from putting in 30A breakers
where 15s belong; end of annoying breaker trips. It really makes no
difference to those who don't care.


If you didn't have to pull the cover off the panel and get down
dirty with a screwdriver, you'd have a point. Most homeowners are
scared ****less of what's inside the panel so do go there. Fuses
are intended to be replaced by homeowners. Breakers are not.

I think most people who are willing to improvise with fuses will also be
willing to do so with breakers.

I think you're nutz. I've never heard of *anyone* putting a penny
in a breaker box.

--

Keith

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:09:37 GMT, "Pop`"
wrote:

wrote:
On 6 Jan 2007 05:57:06 -0800, "
wrote:


=
The worst thing about fuses was that half the boxes in the world
have oversized fuses. Not too long ago I did a little plumbing
repair for a local store. I went in the basement and noticed that
the fuse box had all green fuses. Yeah, 30amp fuses feeding all
#14 wires. I mentioned this to the owner, and he said if they use
smaller fuses they blow all the time. I explained to him the
danger of fire, damage to the wiring, and other problems, I made
sure he was aware of the dangers. When I finished telling him, he
said he was not worried about it, because they have used 30A fuses
in there for the last 50 years. So much for safety. Thats the
biggest downfall of fuses. The fusestats were an improvement but
they cost more and tended to get stuck at times. When the cheaper
brands of breakers sell for less than $5 each, why even bother with
fuses.

Yeah EVERY friend of mine with fuses has those nice green ones on 14
gauge wire.

my point is that fuses are functionally obsolete and panels should be
replaced whenever possible

If they made 100A fuses, people would use them......

Same with breakers though; nothing to stop one from putting in 30A breakers
where 15s belong; end of annoying breaker trips. It really makes no
difference to those who don't care.

Pop`


True, but many people dont know how to change a breaker.
Anyone that can screw in a lightbulb can change a fuse.

krw wrote:

In article ,
says...

krw wrote:

In article 5TWnh.744$%Q4.504@trnddc06,
says...


wrote:


On 6 Jan 2007 05:57:06 -0800, "
wrote:



=


The worst thing about fuses was that half the boxes in the world
have oversized fuses. Not too long ago I did a little plumbing
repair for a local store. I went in the basement and noticed that
the fuse box had all green fuses. Yeah, 30amp fuses feeding all
#14 wires. I mentioned this to the owner, and he said if they use
smaller fuses they blow all the time. I explained to him the
danger of fire, damage to the wiring, and other problems, I made
sure he was aware of the dangers. When I finished telling him, he
said he was not worried about it, because they have used 30A fuses
in there for the last 50 years. So much for safety. Thats the
biggest downfall of fuses. The fusestats were an improvement but
they cost more and tended to get stuck at times. When the cheaper
brands of breakers sell for less than $5 each, why even bother with
fuses.

Yeah EVERY friend of mine with fuses has those nice green ones on 14
gauge wire.

my point is that fuses are functionally obsolete and panels should be
replaced whenever possible

If they made 100A fuses, people would use them......

Same with breakers though; nothing to stop one from putting in 30A breakers
where 15s belong; end of annoying breaker trips. It really makes no
difference to those who don't care.


If you didn't have to pull the cover off the panel and get down
dirty with a screwdriver, you'd have a point. Most homeowners are
scared ****less of what's inside the panel so do go there. Fuses
are intended to be replaced by homeowners. Breakers are not.


I think most people who are willing to improvise with fuses will also be
willing to do so with breakers.


I think you're nutz. I've never heard of *anyone* putting a penny
in a breaker box.

I didn't say anything about pennies, so that's a strawman. The issue
was installing oversized fuses or breakers.

Pay attention. You might learn something.

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In article ,
says...
krw wrote:

In article ,
says...

krw wrote:

In article 5TWnh.744$%Q4.504@trnddc06,
says...


wrote:


On 6 Jan 2007 05:57:06 -0800, "
wrote:



=


The worst thing about fuses was that half the boxes in the world
have oversized fuses. Not too long ago I did a little plumbing
repair for a local store. I went in the basement and noticed that
the fuse box had all green fuses. Yeah, 30amp fuses feeding all
#14 wires. I mentioned this to the owner, and he said if they use
smaller fuses they blow all the time. I explained to him the
danger of fire, damage to the wiring, and other problems, I made
sure he was aware of the dangers. When I finished telling him, he
said he was not worried about it, because they have used 30A fuses
in there for the last 50 years. So much for safety. Thats the
biggest downfall of fuses. The fusestats were an improvement but
they cost more and tended to get stuck at times. When the cheaper
brands of breakers sell for less than $5 each, why even bother with
fuses.

Yeah EVERY friend of mine with fuses has those nice green ones on 14
gauge wire.

my point is that fuses are functionally obsolete and panels should be
replaced whenever possible

If they made 100A fuses, people would use them......

Same with breakers though; nothing to stop one from putting in 30A breakers
where 15s belong; end of annoying breaker trips. It really makes no
difference to those who don't care.


If you didn't have to pull the cover off the panel and get down
dirty with a screwdriver, you'd have a point. Most homeowners are
scared ****less of what's inside the panel so do go there. Fuses
are intended to be replaced by homeowners. Breakers are not.


I think most people who are willing to improvise with fuses will also be
willing to do so with breakers.


I think you're nutz. I've never heard of *anyone* putting a penny
in a breaker box.

I didn't say anything about pennies, so that's a strawman. The issue
was installing oversized fuses or breakers.

Few people remove the cover of their entrance panel. Fuses can be
substituted (or bypassed) without removing the cover. CBs cannot.
Have you ever heard of the equivalent of a penny inserted in place
of a CB? No strawman, it's an example that makes you look silly.

Pay attention. You might learn something.

Please do, though I doubt you're able.

--
Keith

In article ,
says...
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:08:11 GMT, CJT wrote:

I didn't say anything about pennies, so that's a strawman. The issue
was installing oversized fuses or breakers.

The NEC has required Type S adapters in any fuse panel installed since
the Ford administration. Pennies and oversized fuses are BOTH
strawmen. The other poster is right, the panel is shipped without the
adapters but the electrician will install the proper adapter the same
as her would uinstall the proper breaker, based on wire size. The
inspector will verify it.

Today. The homeowner is just as likely to change the "adapter"
than a CB. It's not going to happen.

In fact a penny won't work in most edison fuse holders anyway. That
may have been an option 50-60 years ago but they have the screw shell
separated from the center contact enough that a penny will not close
the circuit in any fuse holder I have ever seem in my life. I think it
may have always been an urban legend.

No urban legend. My grandmother used penny all the time. A penny
even worked in my inlaws' house (AFAIK, built in the '50s).

--
Keith

wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:08:11 GMT, CJT wrote:

I didn't say anything about pennies, so that's a strawman. The issue
was installing oversized fuses or breakers.

The NEC has required Type S adapters in any fuse panel installed since
the Ford administration. Pennies and oversized fuses are BOTH
strawmen. The other poster is right, the panel is shipped without the
adapters but the electrician will install the proper adapter the same
as her would uinstall the proper breaker, based on wire size. The
inspector will verify it.
In fact a penny won't work in most edison fuse holders anyway. That
may have been an option 50-60 years ago but they have the screw shell
separated from the center contact enough that a penny will not close
the circuit in any fuse holder I have ever seem in my life. I think it
may have always been an urban legend.

I don't know how long you have been doing electrical service work but
the penny used as a shunt problem is real. I have even found a few in
use in my forty years in the craft and I attended a fire were that was
determined to be the cause. It is true that some manufacturers
equipment made that more difficult but if the penny is placed in the
last thread grove and tipped against the center terminal it still
conducts quite nicely. The fuse is then screwed in on top of it to make
the angled contact firmer.
--
Tom Horne

"This alternating current stuff is just a fad. It is much too dangerous
for general use." Thomas Alva Edison