I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical work done
on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this is
ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets in my
house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.

I have a long long battle ahead of me. Update the panel to 200A service,
once I get a larger panel, re-wire house separating the circuits out,
re-wire the oven circuit, re-wire the dryer circuit, re-wire the.....

LOL (not funny for you, I suppose...)
Great pics of the "deed" though.

What keeps me awake nights are the things I *haven't* discovered.

Jim


Eigenvector wrote:

I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical work done
on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this is
ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets in my
house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.

I have a long long battle ahead of me. Update the panel to 200A service,
once I get a larger panel, re-wire house separating the circuits out,
re-wire the oven circuit, re-wire the dryer circuit, re-wire the.....

"Speedy Jim" wrote in message
. net...
LOL (not funny for you, I suppose...)
Great pics of the "deed" though.

What keeps me awake nights are the things I *haven't* discovered.

Jim



Appearently the contractor had forgotten his drill on that day. My GOD!
that chiseled out channel for the wires floored me. I'm glad I shut off the
power prior to digging it out, I actually cut the wire insulation with the
drywall knife because the hot wire was tucked UNDER the drywall where it had
fallen out of the channel.

Eigenvector wrote:

I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical work
done on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this is
ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets in
my house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.

I have a long long battle ahead of me. Update the panel to 200A service,
once I get a larger panel, re-wire house separating the circuits out,
re-wire the oven circuit, re-wire the dryer circuit, re-wire the.....

Eigenvector wrote:
I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical work done
on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this is
ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets in my
house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.

I have a long long battle ahead of me. Update the panel to 200A service,
once I get a larger panel, re-wire house separating the circuits out,
re-wire the oven circuit, re-wire the dryer circuit, re-wire the.....



Sounds like what I spent today doing. The girlie was a good sport about
playing fish tape operator on Christmas day; I separated one circuit
into three - clothes washer, hall lights, and one recep. in the kitchen
- I left the washer on the orig. although I will rewire with romex and a
GFCI later, put the hall lights on a 15A breaker (I figured since it
appeared to be 14AWG that that would be appropriate) and put the recep
in the kitchen on its own 20A breaker since the microwave is plugged
into that one.

Now I'm all fired up to hang the new ceiling fan in the kitchen... yeah
it's kinda sick but hey, whaddayagonnado. Oh, and I need to run a
circuit for the range; it's now running off an extension cord until I
can run a circuit for that too. (yes, it's gas, don't worry.)

nate

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Eigenvector wrote:
"Speedy Jim" wrote in message
. net...

LOL (not funny for you, I suppose...)
Great pics of the "deed" though.

What keeps me awake nights are the things I *haven't* discovered.

Jim




Appearently the contractor had forgotten his drill on that day. My GOD!
that chiseled out channel for the wires floored me. I'm glad I shut off the
power prior to digging it out, I actually cut the wire insulation with the
drywall knife because the hot wire was tucked UNDER the drywall where it had
fallen out of the channel.

Is there enough slack you can fix it with a nail plate and an old work box?

nate

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"Eigenvector" wrote in message
. ..
I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical work
done on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this is
ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets in
my house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.

I have a long long battle ahead of me. Update the panel to 200A service,
once I get a larger panel, re-wire house separating the circuits out,
re-wire the oven circuit, re-wire the dryer circuit, re-wire the.....

Good luck.

How did this pass inspection? Are your photos of modified wiring that did
not require inspection?

Reminds me of a case in a college town where a greedy landlord added
circuits to a rental unit using TV ribbon cable. There was a fire and only
his crafty lawyer kept him out of jail.

On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:03:01 -0800, "Eigenvector"
wrote:

I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical work done
on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this is
ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets in my
house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.

I have a long long battle ahead of me. Update the panel to 200A service,
once I get a larger panel, re-wire house separating the circuits out,
re-wire the oven circuit, re-wire the dryer circuit, re-wire the.....


After you kill the guy that wired the place, take his wallet and use
the money and rewire the whole house. Till then, dont plug in
anything that exceeds one watt.

Eigenvector wrote:
I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical work done
on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this is
ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets in my
house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.
....

That wouldn't have passed an inspection so I assume either there was no
requirement for one or the builder somehow got away w/o it.

Oh, I've got an idea -- appears the box being on the wrong side of the
stud meant it got covered by the door casing. If so, I'm guessing the
trim guy(s) did the "fix", not the electrician and was after the
electrical was inspected. Also, looks like a lot of the grief could be
attributed to the drywall guys altho the box may have been set too
shallow.

Stablok were listed and code-compliant at the time unduobtedly, so
can't fault the guy _too_ much there even though it/they turned out to
be a "better idea" that wasn't necessarily better, just faster,
therefore cheaper.

That goes back to my mantra on the thread the other day on PEX --
"cheaper and quicker" isn't synonymous w/ "better".

"Charles Schuler" wrote in message
. ..

"Eigenvector" wrote in message
. ..
I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical work
done on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this is
ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets in
my house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.

I have a long long battle ahead of me. Update the panel to 200A service,
once I get a larger panel, re-wire house separating the circuits out,
re-wire the oven circuit, re-wire the dryer circuit, re-wire the.....

Good luck.

How did this pass inspection? Are your photos of modified wiring that did
not require inspection?

Reminds me of a case in a college town where a greedy landlord added
circuits to a rental unit using TV ribbon cable. There was a fire and
only his crafty lawyer kept him out of jail.

I can only presume the inspector didn't pop the outlet cover off this one to
see what was underneath. You would have had to have removed the outlet to
see it. The only reason why I discovered it was because I plugged in a
tight fitting plug and when I pulled it out the outlet came with it. But as
I said, this is original work done in 1959 when the house was built.

dpb, 12/25/2006,5:53:09 PM, wrote:

"cheaper and quicker" isn't synonymous w/ "better".

Isn't there another expression similar to that? Someone correct me if
I'm wrong:

"Speed, Quality, Cost. Pick any two."

badgolferman spake thus:

dpb, 12/25/2006,5:53:09 PM, wrote:

"cheaper and quicker" isn't synonymous w/ "better".

Isn't there another expression similar to that? Someone correct me if
I'm wrong:

"Speed, Quality, Cost. Pick any two."

Yes. The version I've heard most often goes "Fast, accurate, cheap: pick
any two.".


--
Just as McDonald's is where you go when you're hungry but don't really
care about the quality of your food, Wikipedia is where you go when
you're curious but don't really care about the quality of your knowledge.

- Matthew White's WikiWatch (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm)

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
Eigenvector wrote:
"Speedy Jim" wrote in message
. net...

LOL (not funny for you, I suppose...)
Great pics of the "deed" though.

What keeps me awake nights are the things I *haven't* discovered.

Jim




Appearently the contractor had forgotten his drill on that day. My GOD!
that chiseled out channel for the wires floored me. I'm glad I shut off
the power prior to digging it out, I actually cut the wire insulation
with the drywall knife because the hot wire was tucked UNDER the drywall
where it had fallen out of the channel.

Is there enough slack you can fix it with a nail plate and an old work
box?

nate

There isn't ANY slack in that wiring that I could find - but I'm not dinking
with it today. After 8 years of never having holidays off I'm not doing
anything constructive. Sitting at home, surfing the web, slacking off.

I'll see about putting a box in Tuesday or Wednesday, I don't think there's
that much slack though the wires looked pretty taught coming into the old
box. I'll take a drill to it and feed them through, but I'll have to open
up the wall quite a bit more to do that.

Eigenvector wrote:
I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical
work done on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this
is ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets
in my house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.

I have a long long battle ahead of me. Update the panel to 200A
service, once I get a larger panel, re-wire house separating the
circuits out, re-wire the oven circuit, re-wire the dryer circuit,
re-wire the.....

Whether it be a lein against a bank, a person, insurance company or
whatever, it just seems like there should be someone who can be made
responsible for that. Certainly the most recent dealings have to have some
responsibility somewhere in that list. Did you knowingly purchase the place
like that?

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You could always raise the outlet a foot or so. Drill thru the stud
and feed the cable to the other side.


On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:14:35 -0800, "Eigenvector"
wrote:


"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
Eigenvector wrote:
"Speedy Jim" wrote in message
. net...

LOL (not funny for you, I suppose...)
Great pics of the "deed" though.

What keeps me awake nights are the things I *haven't* discovered.

Jim




Appearently the contractor had forgotten his drill on that day. My GOD!
that chiseled out channel for the wires floored me. I'm glad I shut off
the power prior to digging it out, I actually cut the wire insulation
with the drywall knife because the hot wire was tucked UNDER the drywall
where it had fallen out of the channel.

Is there enough slack you can fix it with a nail plate and an old work
box?

nate

There isn't ANY slack in that wiring that I could find - but I'm not dinking
with it today. After 8 years of never having holidays off I'm not doing
anything constructive. Sitting at home, surfing the web, slacking off.

I'll see about putting a box in Tuesday or Wednesday, I don't think there's
that much slack though the wires looked pretty taught coming into the old
box. I'll take a drill to it and feed them through, but I'll have to open
up the wall quite a bit more to do that.

On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:03:01 -0800, "Eigenvector"
wrote:

I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical work done
on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this is
ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets in my
house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.

I have a long long battle ahead of me. Update the panel to 200A service,
once I get a larger panel, re-wire house separating the circuits out,
re-wire the oven circuit, re-wire the dryer circuit, re-wire the.....


Was the outlet mounted to the stud where it is chiseled? Can you mount
a new box on the left side of the stud; away from the trim and abandon
the old?

We just left off some door trim on a house and the electricians were
called back to move the outlet box. The site next door; the light
switch was behind the swing in door of a closet...


--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

wrote in message
...
You could always raise the outlet a foot or so. Drill thru the stud
and feed the cable to the other side.


As a matter of fact, that's what I'm gonna do. Personally I don't think
that particular location needs an outlet, but as someone I know has said,
better to have the outlet and not need it than to have to use an extension
cord... I'm not totally convinced of that logic but he knows more about
electrical than I do.


On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:14:35 -0800, "Eigenvector"
wrote:


"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
Eigenvector wrote:
"Speedy Jim" wrote in message
. net...

LOL (not funny for you, I suppose...)
Great pics of the "deed" though.

What keeps me awake nights are the things I *haven't* discovered.

Jim




Appearently the contractor had forgotten his drill on that day. My
GOD!
that chiseled out channel for the wires floored me. I'm glad I shut
off
the power prior to digging it out, I actually cut the wire insulation
with the drywall knife because the hot wire was tucked UNDER the
drywall
where it had fallen out of the channel.

Is there enough slack you can fix it with a nail plate and an old work
box?

nate

There isn't ANY slack in that wiring that I could find - but I'm not
dinking
with it today. After 8 years of never having holidays off I'm not doing
anything constructive. Sitting at home, surfing the web, slacking off.

I'll see about putting a box in Tuesday or Wednesday, I don't think
there's
that much slack though the wires looked pretty taught coming into the old
box. I'll take a drill to it and feed them through, but I'll have to open
up the wall quite a bit more to do that.

"Eigenvector" wrote in message
. ..
I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical work
done on this house.


You will have to go some to compete with my house having three 20a circuits
connected to a single 50a breaker.

On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 17:32:43 -0800, "Eigenvector"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
You could always raise the outlet a foot or so. Drill thru the stud
and feed the cable to the other side.


As a matter of fact, that's what I'm gonna do. Personally I don't think
that particular location needs an outlet, but as someone I know has said,
better to have the outlet and not need it than to have to use an extension
cord... I'm not totally convinced of that logic but he knows more about
electrical than I do.


Ya never can have too many outlets......

Merry Christmas

Nate Nagel wrote:
Eigenvector wrote:

I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical
work done on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this
is ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets
in my house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.

I have a long long battle ahead of me. Update the panel to 200A
service, once I get a larger panel, re-wire house separating the
circuits out, re-wire the oven circuit, re-wire the dryer circuit,
re-wire the.....


Sounds like what I spent today doing. The girlie was a good sport about
playing fish tape operator on Christmas day; I separated one circuit
into three - clothes washer, hall lights, and one recep. in the kitchen
- I left the washer on the orig. although I will rewire with romex and a
GFCI later, put the hall lights on a 15A breaker (I figured since it
appeared to be 14AWG that that would be appropriate) and put the recep
in the kitchen on its own 20A breaker since the microwave is plugged
into that one.

Now I'm all fired up to hang the new ceiling fan in the kitchen... yeah
it's kinda sick but hey, whaddayagonnado. Oh, and I need to run a
circuit for the range; it's now running off an extension cord until I
can run a circuit for that too. (yes, it's gas, don't worry.)

nate


Update: I got all three circuits hooked back up and working correctly.
Ceiling fan is hung and works, even wired up a wall control for it (I
have an aversion to pull chains for some reason.) Only casualty is that
the tip of my ring finger is purply blue because my aim was not so good
trying to drive in a cable staple at an odd angle... oops...

Merry Christmas. Believe it or not it feels damn good to be working on
my own home. 1st xmas ever doing that.

Now I just got to run a circuit for the range before the girlie gets
PO'd at the ghettofabulous extension cord...

nate

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"Toller" wrote in message
...

"Eigenvector" wrote in message
. ..
I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical work
done on this house.


You will have to go some to compete with my house having three 20a
circuits connected to a single 50a breaker.
Oooooh, can't have too many circuit overloads now can you? Was the previous
owner Dr. Kevorkian working on his next suicide machine - toaster in the
bathtub?

Eigenvector wrote:
I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical
work done on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this is
ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets in my
house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.

I have a long long battle ahead of me. Update the panel to 200A service,
once I get a larger panel, re-wire house separating the circuits out,
re-wire the oven circuit, re-wire the dryer circuit, re-wire the.....

If this is new construction, how did it pass electrical inspection?
And why are you doing this work since you already paid for it to be
done right by the contractor?

Dick

In article vRZjh.7106$Rc5.2751@trnddc01,
says...
Eigenvector wrote:
I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical
work done on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this
is ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets
in my house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.

I have a long long battle ahead of me. Update the panel to 200A
service, once I get a larger panel, re-wire house separating the
circuits out, re-wire the oven circuit, re-wire the dryer circuit,
re-wire the.....

Whether it be a lein against a bank, a person, insurance company or
whatever, it just seems like there should be someone who can be made
responsible for that. Certainly the most recent dealings have to have some
responsibility somewhere in that list. Did you knowingly purchase the place
like that?

What does the bank or insurance company have to do with a code
violation? You'd have to prove the previous owners knew it was
there and didn't disclose the violation. I highly doubt you're
going to find the builder after fifty years. BTW, I've found
equally bad things in this 20YO house, not to mention a bald-faced
lie on the building permit, carried over to the CO. There are some
things that you just have to let go.

--
Keith

Eigenvector wrote:

I can only presume the inspector didn't pop the outlet cover off this one to
see what was underneath. You would have had to have removed the outlet to
see it. The only reason why I discovered it was because I plugged in a
tight fitting plug and when I pulled it out the outlet came with it. But as
I said, this is original work done in 1959 when the house was built.

Sorry, I thought you meant it was recent new construction. My money is
on the previous owners upgrading the electricity themselves.

Dick

In article , m44
says...

wrote in message
...
You could always raise the outlet a foot or so. Drill thru the stud
and feed the cable to the other side.


As a matter of fact, that's what I'm gonna do. Personally I don't think
that particular location needs an outlet, but as someone I know has said,
better to have the outlet and not need it than to have to use an extension
cord... I'm not totally convinced of that logic but he knows more about
electrical than I do.

You're going to have to move the box anyway (it has to be
accessible) so you might just as well put an outlet in it.

--
Keith

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 02:58:40 -0000, (Dick Adams)
wrote:

Eigenvector wrote:

I can only presume the inspector didn't pop the outlet cover off this one to
see what was underneath. You would have had to have removed the outlet to
see it. The only reason why I discovered it was because I plugged in a
tight fitting plug and when I pulled it out the outlet came with it. But as
I said, this is original work done in 1959 when the house was built.

Sorry, I thought you meant it was recent new construction. My money is
on the previous owners upgrading the electricity themselves.

Dick

My home is about ten years old. I found a hidden/secluded electric
box that should have never been the way it was - hidden. It was not
the previous owner as he was in an asylum, he was a union electrician.

The builder labor hid the box; was my guess.



--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

"krw" wrote in message
t...
In article vRZjh.7106$Rc5.2751@trnddc01,
says...
Eigenvector wrote:
I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical
work done on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this
is ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets
in my house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.

I have a long long battle ahead of me. Update the panel to 200A
service, once I get a larger panel, re-wire house separating the
circuits out, re-wire the oven circuit, re-wire the dryer circuit,
re-wire the.....

Whether it be a lein against a bank, a person, insurance company or
whatever, it just seems like there should be someone who can be made
responsible for that. Certainly the most recent dealings have to have
some
responsibility somewhere in that list. Did you knowingly purchase the
place
like that?

What does the bank or insurance company have to do with a code
violation? You'd have to prove the previous owners knew it was
there and didn't disclose the violation. I highly doubt you're
going to find the builder after fifty years. BTW, I've found
equally bad things in this 20YO house, not to mention a bald-faced
lie on the building permit, carried over to the CO. There are some
things that you just have to let go.

--
Keith

Exactly. It does help to vent about it, but the idea that I'd take this to
court or harrass the previous owner is absurd. Close your eyes, fix the
problem and move on. Rant, bitch, moan if it helps - it does for me.

wrote:

After you kill the guy that wired the place, take his wallet and use
the money and rewire the whole house.

I'd say he's gonna need a lot of ammo before he finally shoots the
_right_ person responsible for that hack job. A lot can happen to a
house in 45 years. Looks to me like that door was cut in after the
house was built. Why would a receptacle outlet be placed that close to
a door in new construction? Aren't rough openings for doors usually
double-framed? That one doesn't seem to be. I haven't met a carpenter
yet who will notch a double-frame for an electric box. Looks to me
like whoever installed the door decided not to double-frame it,
possibly because the electric box was in the way, was also the same
person who didn't have the forsight to see that the door trim would be
in the way of the outlet and/or cover plate, then to finish the hack
job notched the stud (also something that most carpenters refuse to
do). Sorry, but that looks like a classic DIY hack job.

At a parts house near me, they told of a fellow who was buying
many feet of 16 gage lamp cord. Someone asked why, he said he was
rewiring his house and that was a lot easier to fish through the
walls.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"Charles Schuler" wrote in message
. ..

Good luck.

How did this pass inspection? Are your photos of modified
wiring that did
not require inspection?

Reminds me of a case in a college town where a greedy landlord
added
circuits to a rental unit using TV ribbon cable. There was a
fire and only
his crafty lawyer kept him out of jail.

Good
Fast
Cheap

Choose any two

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"badgolferman" wrote in
message ...
dpb, 12/25/2006,5:53:09 PM, wrote:

"cheaper and quicker" isn't synonymous w/ "better".

Isn't there another expression similar to that? Someone
correct me if
I'm wrong:

"Speed, Quality, Cost. Pick any two."

On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:03:01 -0800, "Eigenvector"
wrote:

I continue to be depressed and angered by the "quality" electrical work done
on this house.

The outlet that I was working on because it stuck out from the wall,
uncovered even more quality work. Here, I'll showcase it below.

Who need's an outlet box?
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250079.JPG

Oh, there is one in there. What quality construction. Mind you this is
ORIGINAL work - as in the contractor did this.
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250080.JPG

Wonderful, stablock components to top it off!
http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenve...e/PC250081.JPG

I removed it and wirenutted the circuit closed until I can fix it.
Preferably after the Christmas vacation. By the way, ALL the outlets in my
house are on a single 15A circuit - that's nice to know.

I have a long long battle ahead of me. Update the panel to 200A service,
once I get a larger panel, re-wire house separating the circuits out,
re-wire the oven circuit, re-wire the dryer circuit, re-wire the.....



What you showed rightfully made you mad. The potential for danger was
there, and glad you are fixing it. I have run into people who know
the danger exists, but can do nothing about it(lack of funds,
knowledge, etc.) Have a safe and Merry Christmas!

tom @ www.HelpfulNeighbor.Org