I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my ancient
Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to definitely
avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on the
theory that there's less to go wrong.

Thanks for all input.

"Doc" wrote in
. net:

I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my
ancient Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA,
GE. The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to
virtually new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through.
Probably ranging from 5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names
visible were Kitchenaide Quiet Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus.
Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for
tough, dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to
definitely avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go
for simple, on the theory that there's less to go wrong.

Thanks for all input.





No electronic parts to fail. Minimal moving parts to fail. Only a rock
has a lower MTBF.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?V2A131D0E

Doc wrote:
I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my ancient
Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to definitely
avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on the
theory that there's less to go wrong.

Thanks for all input.

I've had no problems with Kenmore Heavy Duty models; in fact the pair I
had that were 11 years old were going strong when I gave them to a
young/needy couple. I fell for the lure of high energy efficiency in a
Kenmore He3 pair (plus no payments/interest for a year...which I paid
off beforehand of course). But I'm figuring Whirlpool heavy duty
models would be fine, too. Best bet is if you can find some young guy
or couple who didn't have kids, bought a house and decided to sell the
w/d that came with the house (new of course) because they wanted to
"upgrade". Check Craiglist in your area, you might see a pair like
that.

Doc wrote:
I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my ancient
Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to definitely
avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on the
theory that there's less to go wrong.

Thanks for all input.


Of older models I would pick the Maytag, It has the fewer moving parts
than any I know of. Primarily its operation is based on its reversable
motor. Motor turns one direction it washes, motor turns oposite
direction it spins dry. No solenoids or gear shifts, just a motor and
drive shaft..I had a 1950 model that washed weekly for 41 years before
it gave any trouble. Hard to beat that.

Jack wrote:
Doc wrote:
I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my ancient
Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to definitely
avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on the
theory that there's less to go wrong.

Thanks for all input.


Of older models I would pick the Maytag, It has the fewer moving parts
than any I know of. Primarily its operation is based on its reversable
motor. Motor turns one direction it washes, motor turns oposite
direction it spins dry. No solenoids or gear shifts, just a motor and
drive shaft..I had a 1950 model that washed weekly for 41 years before
it gave any trouble. Hard to beat that.

41 years!!! Did you enter it into any sweepstakes like "the oldest
appliance still running" where you get a whole new kitchen or sumpin?

"Doc" wrote in message
. net...
I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my ancient
Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging
from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide
Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to definitely
avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on
the
theory that there's less to go wrong.

Thanks for all input.



Have always had great luck with Kenmore. If all Whirlpool products are
anything like out dishwasher, I wouldn't touch anything that says Whirlpool
again! Pure junk!!!

C. Massey wrote:
"Doc" wrote in message
. net...
I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my ancient
Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging
from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide
Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to definitely
avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on
the
theory that there's less to go wrong.

Thanks for all input.



Have always had great luck with Kenmore. If all Whirlpool products are
anything like out dishwasher, I wouldn't touch anything that says Whirlpool
again! Pure junk!!!

Who manufactures Kenmore? Last I knew it was Whirlpool. Now Whirlpool
makes the Maytag.in Mexico.

Seerialmom wrote:
Jack wrote:
Doc wrote:
I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my ancient
Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to definitely
avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on the
theory that there's less to go wrong.

Thanks for all input.


Of older models I would pick the Maytag, It has the fewer moving parts
than any I know of. Primarily its operation is based on its reversable
motor. Motor turns one direction it washes, motor turns oposite
direction it spins dry. No solenoids or gear shifts, just a motor and
drive shaft..I had a 1950 model that washed weekly for 41 years before
it gave any trouble. Hard to beat that.

41 years!!! Did you enter it into any sweepstakes like "the oldest
appliance still running" where you get a whole new kitchen or sumpin?

No because I knew of some Maytags still going that were older. Heck
today I toast my bread in a two slice ToastMaster that was put in
service in May of 1941 and has toasted an average of two slices
practically everyday since. How many loaves is that? It still looks
new and does a perfect job. But there are older out there.

Doc wrote:

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to definitely
avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on the
theory that there's less to go wrong.

I checked the forums at two appliance websites, www.fixitnow.com and
www.applianceaid.com (tons of repair information at both), and they
seem to speak well of the top-loading Whirlpools with conventional
agitators (both belt and direct drive versions) and no electronic
controls. Whirlpool has been sold under several brands, including
Roper, Kitchenaid, Estate, Kenmore (Sears, but not all Kenmores are
Whirlpools), and Kirkland (Costco). The direct-drive models seem to be
easier to work on because the whole cabinet comes off sort of easily..

"Jack" wrote in message
ups.com...

C. Massey wrote:
"Doc" wrote in message
. net...
I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my
ancient
Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA,
GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to
virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging
from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide
Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy
Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for
tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to
definitely
avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on
the
theory that there's less to go wrong.

Thanks for all input.



Have always had great luck with Kenmore. If all Whirlpool products are
anything like out dishwasher, I wouldn't touch anything that says
Whirlpool
again! Pure junk!!!

Who manufactures Kenmore? Last I knew it was Whirlpool. Now Whirlpool
makes the Maytag.in Mexico.



They are *one* of the manufactures for Kenmore. When I worked for Sears a
couple of years back, they had several manufactures make the Kenmores.

"larry moe 'n curly" wrote in message
ups.com...

Doc wrote:

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA,
GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to
virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging
from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide
Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy
Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to
definitely
avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on
the
theory that there's less to go wrong.

I checked the forums at two appliance websites, www.fixitnow.com and
www.applianceaid.com (tons of repair information at both), and they
seem to speak well of the top-loading Whirlpools with conventional
agitators (both belt and direct drive versions) and no electronic
controls. Whirlpool has been sold under several brands, including
Roper, Kitchenaid, Estate, Kenmore (Sears, but not all Kenmores are
Whirlpools), and Kirkland (Costco). The direct-drive models seem to be
easier to work on because the whole cabinet comes off sort of easily..


The old GE top loaders have the best lint filter. For what it's worth, I
have an older Maytag and a direct drive Whirlpool. They both work well,
however the Whirlpool makes the clothes cleaner. Very noticeable on whites.
But it has a crappy lint filter that's between the inner and outer tub.
Wonder what genius thought that one up? Have to remove the agitator and
inner tub to clean it

Al

Doc wrote:
I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my ancient
Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.

What do they charge?

You can buy a bare bones new whirlpool for $179 at Lowes, it only has
one knob and maybe 4 cycles, simple as dirt.

Private owners usually sell used ones for $50.

Hard to say what brands are the best, many manufacturers were bought
out, so roper is whirlpool, admiral and maytag are the same, etc

wrote:
Doc wrote:
I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my ancient
Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.


I have GE Heavy duty top loader washer thats been running 33 years. I
repaired the timer once, replaced the pump once, and repired a split
hose once. It uses the reversing motor design mentioned above.

Mark

you might be able to find a stripped Roper made for landlords new cheap enuf
to beat the used ones you are looking at. Noisy and low on features but go
forever.



"Doc" wrote in message
. net...
I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my ancient
Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging
from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide
Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to definitely
avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on
the
theory that there's less to go wrong.

Thanks for all input.

Doc wrote:
I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my ancient
Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly?

Get a Speed Queen commercial washer if you want the toughest of the
tough. I bought some used ones and they went for about ten more years
after the initial 23 years prior to my purchase of them. Extremely east
to maintain, but they will rarely break under home use.

Simple to a fault. Three switches, one for Hot/Warm/Cold water, one for
Normal/Permanent Press/Delicate, and one Push-On. No timer dial.

"http://www.speedqueen.com/route/adv_pdf/am05-204.pdf"

Often available used from industrial and military sources, though they
often sell them in lots.

I'd look at CraigsList.org for used home machines. Usually they sell for
around $50-75 for a good Whirlpool model.

My GE purchased to do my diapers died about age 40 motor developed a
internal short I couldnt get motor and felt bad when garbageman took it
away. my hamilton gas dryer was older than that it was bought at the
beginging of the second world war and died around 1995.

my 1990 dodge caravan got retired recently with about 400,000 miles on
it.

such things are possible but unusual in todays throiw away society

Jack wrote:

Heck
today I toast my bread in a two slice ToastMaster that was put in
service in May of 1941 and has toasted an average of two slices
practically everyday since. How many loaves is that? It still looks
new and does a perfect job. But there are older out there.


I'll have to get me one of those new-fangled toasters one day. At my
age, I'm losing the manual dexterity to flip the toast slices over to
get both sides done.

Rob

In . net,
Doc spewed forth:
I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my
ancient Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool,
RCA, GE. The ones they had on display ranged from decent in
appearance to virtually new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone
through. Probably ranging from 5 - 20 years old. Those that had
model names visible were Kitchenaide Quiet Care, Superba. Kenmore
Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for
tough, dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to
definitely avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go
for simple, on the theory that there's less to go wrong.

Thanks for all input.


When mine broke down, I called my repairman friend and he told me to buy
Roper.
He said they run forever.

"Doc" wrote in message
. net...
: I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my ancient
: Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.
:
: A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
: various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.
: The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to virtually
: new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging
from
: 5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide
Quiet
: Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.
:
: What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
: dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to definitely
: avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on
the
: theory that there's less to go wrong.
:
: Thanks for all input.
:
:
:
I have a set of GE that have been refurbished and the only thing that was in
need at that time was a thorough cleaning. Love the lint filter, easy to
clean, love the simple-ness of it. All of my kids learned to use it when
they were between 7 - 9 so pretty simple to use. They are approximately 30
years old now and since the refurbishcleaning I have only had to replace a
belt once in the washer and repair a leaky hose. Minor and cheap repairs.
Quiet running as well, that is always a bonus depending on where you have
them set up in your home. JM2C
~KK in BC~

Big Al wrote:
"larry moe 'n curly" wrote in message
ups.com...

Doc wrote:

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA,
GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to
virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging
from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide
Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy
Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to
definitely
avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on
the
theory that there's less to go wrong.

I checked the forums at two appliance websites, www.fixitnow.com and
www.applianceaid.com (tons of repair information at both), and they
seem to speak well of the top-loading Whirlpools with conventional
agitators (both belt and direct drive versions) and no electronic
controls. Whirlpool has been sold under several brands, including
Roper, Kitchenaid, Estate, Kenmore (Sears, but not all Kenmores are
Whirlpools), and Kirkland (Costco). The direct-drive models seem to be
easier to work on because the whole cabinet comes off sort of easily..


The old GE top loaders have the best lint filter. For what it's worth, I
have an older Maytag and a direct drive Whirlpool. They both work well,
however the Whirlpool makes the clothes cleaner. Very noticeable on whites.
But it has a crappy lint filter that's between the inner and outer tub.
Wonder what genius thought that one up? Have to remove the agitator and
inner tub to clean it

Al

I am afraid to say this, but I have never heard of a lint filter on a
washing machine!

I have a Kenmore that is 19 years old (did have to replace motor 5
years ago). Anyway, in my defense, the couple of times a repairman
came, I watched and asked questions. Once was a Sears promotional
"check up" where they checked it over. I watched him and asked
qestions. He never said anything about a lint filter or cleaned one.

Do all washers have these? From your description it seems maybe this
isn't necessarilly set up like a dryer (where it is obviously set up
for user), but maybe more for servicing (i.e. you have to remove
something to get to it)? Where should I look and what would it look
like?

--
John

My old, low-end Maytag washer and drier have been going strong since
1996. BUT Maytag is a different company these days and I would not buy
their products today.


Doc wrote:
I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my ancient
Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to definitely
avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on the
theory that there's less to go wrong.

Thanks for all input.

I've had no problems with Kenmore Heavy Duty models; in fact the pair I
had that were 11 years old were going strong when I gave them to a
young/needy couple.

HUGE problem with that approach. There is no brand name "Kenmore". Kenmore
LABELLED washer/dryers are made by many different manufacturers. Some are
good, some are not so good. So buying Kenmore is very much risky.

I fell for the lure of high energy efficiency in a
Kenmore He3 pair (plus no payments/interest for a year...which I paid
off beforehand of course). But I'm figuring Whirlpool heavy duty
models would be fine, too.

No argument there

Have always had great luck with Kenmore.

Sheesh, how many times do I have to explain this? THERE IS NO SUCH BRAND AS
KENMORE!!! There is no company called "Kenmore" that manufactures
appliances. Kenmore is a line of appliances made by many different
appliance manufacturers. SOME are good, some aren't. If you've had good
luck with Kenmore, it was just LUCK, as you had no fricking clue what you
were actually buying, when you bought that (whatever) that was LABELLED
"Kenmore". If you are going to buy "Kenmore", you might as well roll the
dice to decide what brand you want, as that is exactly what you are
oing. -Dave

Who manufactures Kenmore? Last I knew it was Whirlpool. Now Whirlpool
makes the Maytag.in Mexico.


Kenmore has many manufacturers, probably 3 or 4 manufacturers make their
washer/dryer sets alone. I DO know that various "Kenmore" labelled
appliances are made by electrolux/frigidaire and whirlpool. But those
aren't the only manufacturers making appliances labelled "Kenmore". LG
(Goldstar) also makes "Kenmore" labelled crap. -Dave

"Doc" wrote in message
. net...
I'm probably going to have to get another washing machine since my ancient
Hotpoint has munched a seal and lubricant is leaking out.

A local appliance shop has a number of refurb'd top loader washers of
various brands - Roper, Maytag, Kenmore, Kitchenaide, Whirlpool, RCA, GE.
The ones they had on display ranged from decent in appearance to virtually
new looking. Supposedly they've all been gone through. Probably ranging
from
5 - 20 years old. Those that had model names visible were Kitchenaide
Quiet
Care, Superba. Kenmore Quiet Pak Plus. Whirlpool Ultimate Care Heavy Duty.

What's a good older brand or line within a brand that's known for tough,
dependable construction and also being repair friendly? Any to definitely
avoid? Any features that I should look for? I tend to go for simple, on
the
theory that there's less to go wrong.

Thanks for all input.

I've been buying frigidaire and whirlpool appliances for many years. Now
frigidaire is electrolux, but . . .

Of the brands you listed, I'd go with the whirlpool, and nothing else is
even close. About 15 years ago, we bought a whirlpool top load washer/dryer
set. When it was a few years old, it was moved to another house. When it
was 10 years old, it was moved again. This time, the movers goofed and
bounced the washer down the stairs trying to get it into the basement. It
seemed to suffer NO damage at all, other than some bad scratches and a
couple of dents. We used them for a couple more years, then gave them to a
guy who was unemployed and his washer just died on him. They are still
going strong. Since we bought them (and to this day) they are averaging 4-5
loads of laundry a week. WOW. Moved three times, once very roughly. What
more can you say? -Dave

"Mike T." wrote in message
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I've had no problems with Kenmore Heavy Duty models; in fact the pair I
had that were 11 years old were going strong when I gave them to a
young/needy couple.

HUGE problem with that approach. There is no brand name "Kenmore".
Kenmore LABELLED washer/dryers are made by many different manufacturers.
Some are good, some are not so good. So buying Kenmore is very much
risky.


snip


Kenmore IS the Sears BRAND even though it is manufactured by someone else.

Also in response to your other anti Kenmore post, if you have a
knowledgeable salesman at Sears, he can look at the model number and tell
you which company manufactured the unit in question.

My parents have always bought Kenmore and *never* had problems within the
first 20 years or so. My in-laws always have bought Kenmore and have never
had problems. They have a large family and the appliances do get abused
there. My wife and I have been buying Kenmore and we have never had problems
as of yet. We have a Kenmore washer, dryer, refrigerator and an upright
freezer. After 13 years, we have never had anything other than PM's
performed on the washer and dryer and not a thing done to the refrigerator
or freezer.

We rent our home and the landlord installed new Frigidaire dishwasher (in an
earlier post, I said it was a Whirlpool by mistake), stove, oven and
refrigerator. The dishwasher is junk, the oven temperatures are off by about
20 degrees. We have the refrigerator in the garage and seems to be working
ok, but we have our trusty old Kenmore in the house.

You don't like the band name Kenmore, then buy something else. Kenmore has a
good track record as far as I am concerned and will continue to by them.

Kenmore IS the Sears BRAND even though it is manufactured by someone else.



If you like Kenmore, that's great. To call Kenmore a brand however, is (at
worst) a bald-faced lie, and at best very misleading. To say that Kenmore
is a brand of appliances is like saying that "Geo" was a brand of
automobiles. If I tore off all the Ford emblems and stuck a "Mikey" sticker
on my car, would that mean that my car was Mikey brand??? Heck no. That's
why it's ridiculous to state that Kenmore is a brand of appliances. For
about the thousandth time, there is no company called "Kenmore" that
manufactures appliances. Never was, probably never will be. -Dave

"Mike T." wrote in message
reenews.net...
Kenmore IS the Sears BRAND even though it is manufactured by someone
else.



If you like Kenmore, that's great. To call Kenmore a brand however, is
(at worst) a bald-faced lie, and at best very misleading. To say that
Kenmore is a brand of appliances is like saying that "Geo" was a brand of
automobiles. If I tore off all the Ford emblems and stuck a "Mikey"
sticker on my car, would that mean that my car was Mikey brand??? Heck
no. That's why it's ridiculous to state that Kenmore is a brand of
appliances. For about the thousandth time, there is no company called
"Kenmore" that manufactures appliances. Never was, probably never will
be. -Dave


I never said that there was a company named Kenmore, did I?

OK... I'll bite... Why wasn't Geo a "brand"?

We had a Hotpoint for 22 years. It went through 2 motors, a set of brushes and a door seal in that time. The door seal gave up the ghost a month ago and I could find no-one who stocked spare ones. So it had to be replaced.

Went for a Hotpoint again. Superb. The quietest machine I've heard. Excellent wash and no 'walking across the floor' when it spins.

OK... I'll bite... Why wasn't Geo a "brand"?

Because there was no manufacturer named "Geo", and there was no single
company that was manufacturing automobiles under a dba "Geo". The cars and
SUVs sold (by GM dealers) as "Geo" were made by various car manufacturers
such as Suzuki and Isuzu and Toyota (that I know of), and maybe other
manufacturers as well. For example, just about everyone in the known
universe is aware that the Prism (labelled Geo, later labelled Chevy) was
actually a Toyota Corolla. Fewer people are aware that the much-maligned
Geo Metro was actually A re-badged Suzuki Swift. Suzuki and Isuzu both made
other vehicles which were labelled "Geo" and sold at GM dealers. But "Geo"
was just a label, NOT a brand. The brand of the Geo Prism was Toyota. The
brand of the Geo Metro was Suzuki. And so on.

In the same sense, "Kenmore" is just a label, it is NOT a brand. If you can
find a company called "Kenmore" which makes appliances sold by Sears, I will
eat my words. But no such company exists. There is no single company with
a dba of "Kenmore" that makes appliances for Sears, either. Therefore,
Kenmore is not a brand. It is a label.

The most you can say about Kenmore is that if you find something labelled
"Kenmore", it was purchased at Sears or K-Mart. If I purchased a pick-up
truck labelled "Craftsman", nobody would be stupid enough to think that my
pick-up truck was actually manufactured by Sears, or by a subdivision of
Sears called "Craftsman". Yet many people believe that "Kenmore" is a
division of Sears that manufactures appliances under the "Kenmore" brand.
It's idiotic in the extreme.

Even worse are various consumer groups that proudly proclaim that their
research indicates Kenmore is the best brand of blah blah blah . . .

(if anyone should KNOW better) Sheesh. -Dave

C. Massey wrote:
...I never said that there was a company named Kenmore, did I?

OK... I'll bite... Why wasn't Geo a "brand"?



It is/was is a brand, w/ it's unique VIN, of NUMMI & Suzuki vehicles
sold by Chevrolet dealers.


Rob

"Mike T." wrote in message
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OK... I'll bite... Why wasn't Geo a "brand"?

Because there was no manufacturer named "Geo", and there was no single
company that was manufacturing automobiles under a dba "Geo". The cars
and SUVs sold (by GM dealers) as "Geo" were made by various car
manufacturers such as Suzuki and Isuzu and Toyota (that I know of), and
maybe other manufacturers as well. For example, just about everyone in
the known universe is aware that the Prism (labelled Geo, later labelled
Chevy) was actually a Toyota Corolla. Fewer people are aware that the
much-maligned Geo Metro was actually A re-badged Suzuki Swift. Suzuki and
Isuzu both made other vehicles which were labelled "Geo" and sold at GM
dealers. But "Geo" was just a label, NOT a brand. The brand of the Geo
Prism was Toyota. The brand of the Geo Metro was Suzuki. And so on.

In the same sense, "Kenmore" is just a label, it is NOT a brand. If you
can find a company called "Kenmore" which makes appliances sold by Sears,
I will eat my words. But no such company exists. There is no single
company with a dba of "Kenmore" that makes appliances for Sears, either.
Therefore, Kenmore is not a brand. It is a label.

The most you can say about Kenmore is that if you find something labelled
"Kenmore", it was purchased at Sears or K-Mart. If I purchased a pick-up
truck labelled "Craftsman", nobody would be stupid enough to think that my
pick-up truck was actually manufactured by Sears, or by a subdivision of
Sears called "Craftsman". Yet many people believe that "Kenmore" is a
division of Sears that manufactures appliances under the "Kenmore" brand.
It's idiotic in the extreme.

Even worse are various consumer groups that proudly proclaim that their
research indicates Kenmore is the best brand of blah blah blah . . .

(if anyone should KNOW better) Sheesh. -Dave



So, Linclon/Mercury isn't a brand? Pontiac isn't a brand? Oldsmobile isn't a
brand?

While I agree with you that many people probably think that Kenmore makes
the Kenmore brand, I still believe that Kenmore is a brand name.

This isn't worth arguing about. It's not going to solve the worlds problems.
You think that you are right and I know that I am right!

Mike T. wrote:

Kenmore IS the Sears BRAND even though it is manufactured by someone else.





If you like Kenmore, that's great. To call Kenmore a brand however, is (at
worst) a bald-faced lie, and at best very misleading. To say that Kenmore
is a brand of appliances is like saying that "Geo" was a brand of
automobiles. If I tore off all the Ford emblems and stuck a "Mikey" sticker
on my car, would that mean that my car was Mikey brand??? Heck no. That's
why it's ridiculous to state that Kenmore is a brand of appliances. For
about the thousandth time, there is no company called "Kenmore" that
manufactures appliances. Never was, probably never will be. -Dave




You are quite naive. Brand names are simply registered / protected
names - None are a particular product, particular manufacturer,
particular formulation, etc.

While you are quite correct in stating Kenmore does not define a
particular manufacturer, set of manufacturing requirements, etc, that is
true for all brand names.

To use your example, Ford can substitute any products they wish within
that car / manufacture it anywhere they wish and still call it a Ford.
They could even have Honda make a car for them and call it a Ford, if
they so choose.

So, Linclon/Mercury isn't a brand? Pontiac isn't a brand? Oldsmobile isn't
a brand?


Lincoln/Mercury is a brand. You know it's a division of Ford. Pontiac is a
brand. You know it's a division of GM. Oldsmobile? I think they used to
be a division of GM. They were definitely a brand.

For Kenmore to be a brand, Kenmore would have to manufacture appliances, OR
that they would have to be a division of a company that does manufacture
appliances*. Neither is true. -Dave

*For example, Frigidaire is an appliance brand, as they are a division of
Electrolux, and Electrolux manufactures appliances.

You are quite naive. Brand names are simply registered / protected
names - None are a particular product, particular manufacturer,
particular formulation, etc.

While you are quite correct in stating Kenmore does not define a
particular manufacturer, set of manufacturing requirements, etc, that is
true for all brand names.
To use your example, Ford can substitute any products they wish within
that car / manufacture it anywhere they wish and still call it a Ford.
They could even have Honda make a car for them and call it a Ford, if they
so choose.

You and I both know that manufacturers often sell products that they did not
produce themselves. Chevy right now sells an economy car manufactured by
Daewoo. I believe they call it the Chevy Aveo?

The problem though, is that most people think of a brand as a company. If
you buy the Chevy Aveo for example, you might not know that it's a Daewoo.
But if you bought it thinking it was a Chevy, that's OK, as Chevy is a real
brand of automobiles.

The problem with thinking of Kenmore as a brand is, Kenmore does not make
one single appliance. If half of the "Kenmore" stuff was made by a company
called "Kenmore" and the rest of the "Kenmore" stuff was made by a mix of
frigidaire/electrolux, whirlpool, kithenaid, maytag, etc . . . then it would
be correct to say that Kenmore was a brand.

But to call "Kenmore" a brand when they don't make even ONE appliance is (at
best) misleading. Kenmore is a label, not a brand. -Dave

"Mike T." wrote in message
reenews.net...
So, Linclon/Mercury isn't a brand? Pontiac isn't a brand? Oldsmobile
isn't a brand?


Lincoln/Mercury is a brand. You know it's a division of Ford. Pontiac is
a brand. You know it's a division of GM. Oldsmobile? I think they used
to be a division of GM. They were definitely a brand.

For Kenmore to be a brand, Kenmore would have to manufacture appliances,
OR that they would have to be a division of a company that does
manufacture appliances*. Neither is true. -Dave

*For example, Frigidaire is an appliance brand, as they are a division of
Electrolux, and Electrolux manufactures appliances.




Whatever....

Mike T. wrote:

So, Linclon/Mercury isn't a brand? Pontiac isn't a brand? Oldsmobile isn't
a brand?




Lincoln/Mercury is a brand. You know it's a division of Ford. Pontiac is a
brand. You know it's a division of GM. Oldsmobile? I think they used to
be a division of GM. They were definitely a brand.

For Kenmore to be a brand, Kenmore would have to manufacture appliances, OR
that they would have to be a division of a company that does manufacture
appliances*. Neither is true. -Dave




You are correct in that neither is true - but the reason is that the
owner of a brand name does NOT have to manufacture that product.

Do you believe P&G manufacturers all their own products?

Do you believe Liz Claiborne manufactures (any of) their clothing line?

Do you believe the gas at your local Exxon station was all manufactured
/ processed at an Exxon refinery?

And do you really believe Coke is made using the same formulation today
as 50 or 100 years ago?

There is NO reason a brand has to be manufactured by the owner of that
brand name or by any specific set of conditions / formulation.

Hint - most companies subcontract the manufacture of many of their
products and make changes in suppliers, formulations, etc - all the time.

"Mike T." wrote in message
reenews.net...
snip The problem with thinking of Kenmore as a brand is, Kenmore does not
make one single appliance. If half of the "Kenmore" stuff was made by a
company called "Kenmore" and the rest of the "Kenmore" stuff was made by a
mix of frigidaire/electrolux, whirlpool, kithenaid, maytag, etc . . . then
it would be correct to say that Kenmore was a brand.

But to call "Kenmore" a brand when they don't make even ONE appliance is
(at best) misleading. Kenmore is a label, not a brand. -Dave

You can make up or adopt whatever usage you want, but by dictionary
definition, Kenmore is obviously a brand name, the one under which Sears
sells appliances (the caps are mine).

"a word, name, symbol, etc., esp. one legally registered as a trademark,
used by a manufacturer OR MERCHANT to identify its products distinctively
from others of the same type and usually prominently displayed on its goods,
in advertising, etc.

Mike T. wrote:
But "Geo"
was just a label, NOT a brand. The brand of the Geo Prism was Toyota.

Well... actually the Corolla was a NUMMI built vehicle sold by
Toyota(Brand) as the Corolla(Marque).

Rob

Mike T. wrote:
So, Linclon/Mercury isn't a brand? Pontiac isn't a brand? Oldsmobile isn't
a brand?


Lincoln/Mercury is a brand. You know it's a division of Ford. Pontiac is a
brand. You know it's a division of GM. Oldsmobile? I think they used to
be a division of GM. They were definitely a brand.

For Kenmore to be a brand, Kenmore would have to manufacture appliances, OR
that they would have to be a division of a company that does manufacture
appliances*. Neither is true. -Dave

*For example, Frigidaire is an appliance brand, as they are a division of
Electrolux, and Electrolux manufactures appliances.



Confused about Frigidaire. For example one of the Kenmore front
loaders, a Frigidaire front loader and a GE front loader were all pretty
much identical. I think all made in the same factory owned by
White-Electrolux. Kind of similar to Kenmore for that one.