The nylon rollers have worn a hole in the inside of my dishwasher.

It's 30 years old but the new ones only go 7 years, so I want to keep
it. It's sound mechanically.

How or what should I use to patch the inside of the door?

wrote in message
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The nylon rollers have worn a hole in the inside of my dishwasher.

It's 30 years old but the new ones only go 7 years, so I want to keep
it. It's sound mechanically.

How or what should I use to patch the inside of the door?

A thirty year old dishwasher? That's amazing. What brand is it?

My parents home was built in 1969. They've been through at least 4
dishwashers in that time (first a Whirlpool, then a Kitchenaid, then (I
think) another Whirlpool, now a Kenmore). I believe all of these brands are
made by Whirlpool and are considered to be good quality. I can't imagine
that a dishwasher from 1976 is still running...

If you've actually worn through the door, I think it's time to shoot the
puppy in the head, unfortunately. Also I can't imagine it looks terribly
modern anymore...

-Tim (who just replaced a 1996 Maytag that was pretty much rebuilt (new
logic board, pump, and motor) in 2002).

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The nylon rollers have worn a hole in the inside of my dishwasher.

It's 30 years old but the new ones only go 7 years, so I want to keep
it. It's sound mechanically.

How or what should I use to patch the inside of the door?



Worn a hole? You mean in the white finish where they roll? Or do you mean a
hole clear through? If the latter you just may have to take a 7yr one and
suck up that they don't make 'em like they used to. I guess you could try
to patch a hole with some epoxy, resin or the like and cover with maybe
porcelain paint. Gotta be able to withstand the heat That's just a WAG.

On 6 Oct 2006 16:59:11 -0700, wrote:

The nylon rollers have worn a hole in the inside of my dishwasher.

It's 30 years old but the new ones only go 7 years, so I want to keep
it. It's sound mechanically.

How or what should I use to patch the inside of the door?

If it is all the way through, I think auto body putty would do it. I
think they have a couple general kinds, for small dents and for larger
that is sometimes supported by a piece of fiberglass mesh.

I can't imagine the hole is bigger than a dime, so I think you can use
the small dent stuff and just leave the door open, (the hole is in the
door, right?) and push enough through so that it lands on the far
side (now the bottom side) and keep applying it until the pile reaches
up to the level where you are. You can onoy apply it a half inch deep
at one time, or something like that. Read the label. So do it in
stages. When it reaches the hole smooth it out. You may want to paint
it with the little bottles of white porcelain paint they sell for
kitchen appliances (only in colors that appliances come in.)

I live alone and only wash full loads, so Idon'pt use my dishwasher
very often, but it's 27 years old, and works and looks fine, and has
only broken once when a tiny half inch long very thin chicken bone got
caught in the anti-siphon thing on the sink. And t hat wouldn't have
happened if I cleaned my dishes better.

I wouldn't care about style, but afaict mine is still stylish.

It's a sears, probably whirlppol and has 3 sheets of metal stored in
the front, representing 6 colors**, if I wanted it to be adifferent
color. So far everything is harvest gold. Now that IS out of style,
but I don't care.

White, harvest gold, ovacado?, and I forget the other three. I've
only seen them once 15 years ago, because I have to take out two
screws and remove a strip to look at them.

It was harvest gold but I painted it white hahahah

I was thinking a bike tire patch with cement glue.

I am hanging on to the bitter end.

Mrs. Clean

mm wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 16:59:11 -0700, wrote:

The nylon rollers have worn a hole in the inside of my dishwasher.

It's 30 years old but the new ones only go 7 years, so I want to keep
it. It's sound mechanically.

How or what should I use to patch the inside of the door?

If it is all the way through, I think auto body putty would do it. I
think they have a couple general kinds, for small dents and for larger
that is sometimes supported by a piece of fiberglass mesh.

I can't imagine the hole is bigger than a dime, so I think you can use
the small dent stuff and just leave the door open, (the hole is in the
door, right?) and push enough through so that it lands on the far
side (now the bottom side) and keep applying it until the pile reaches
up to the level where you are. You can onoy apply it a half inch deep
at one time, or something like that. Read the label. So do it in
stages. When it reaches the hole smooth it out. You may want to paint
it with the little bottles of white porcelain paint they sell for
kitchen appliances (only in colors that appliances come in.)

I live alone and only wash full loads, so Idon'pt use my dishwasher
very often, but it's 27 years old, and works and looks fine, and has
only broken once when a tiny half inch long very thin chicken bone got
caught in the anti-siphon thing on the sink. And t hat wouldn't have
happened if I cleaned my dishes better.

I wouldn't care about style, but afaict mine is still stylish.

It's a sears, probably whirlppol and has 3 sheets of metal stored in
the front, representing 6 colors**, if I wanted it to be adifferent
color. So far everything is harvest gold. Now that IS out of style,
but I don't care.

White, harvest gold, ovacado?, and I forget the other three. I've
only seen them once 15 years ago, because I have to take out two
screws and remove a strip to look at them.

mm wrote:
It's a sears, probably whirlppol and has 3 sheets of metal stored in
the front, representing 6 colors**, if I wanted it to be adifferent
color. So far everything is harvest gold. Now that IS out of style,
but I don't care.

White, harvest gold, ovacado?, and I forget the other three. I've
only seen them once 15 years ago, because I have to take out two
screws and remove a strip to look at them.

White, harvest gold, avocado green, sunset orange, something brown,
almond? Great selection!

On 7 Oct 2006 12:14:20 -0700, wrote:

It was harvest gold but I painted it white hahahah

I was thinking a bike tire patch with cement glue.

Why not some aerosol foam insulation into the hole, then cut and sand
it off even with the rest of dishwasher.

I have a can of that aerosol stuff but I don't know what color it is
inside. White maybe.

I am hanging on to the bitter end.

Mrs. Clean

mm wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 16:59:11 -0700, wrote:

The nylon rollers have worn a hole in the inside of my dishwasher.

It's 30 years old but the new ones only go 7 years, so I want to keep
it. It's sound mechanically.

How or what should I use to patch the inside of the door?

If it is all the way through, I think auto body putty would do it. I
think they have a couple general kinds, for small dents and for larger
that is sometimes supported by a piece of fiberglass mesh.

I can't imagine the hole is bigger than a dime, so I think you can use
the small dent stuff and just leave the door open, (the hole is in the
door, right?) and push enough through so that it lands on the far
side (now the bottom side) and keep applying it until the pile reaches
up to the level where you are. You can onoy apply it a half inch deep
at one time, or something like that. Read the label. So do it in
stages. When it reaches the hole smooth it out. You may want to paint
it with the little bottles of white porcelain paint they sell for
kitchen appliances (only in colors that appliances come in.)

I live alone and only wash full loads, so Idon'pt use my dishwasher
very often, but it's 27 years old, and works and looks fine, and has
only broken once when a tiny half inch long very thin chicken bone got
caught in the anti-siphon thing on the sink. And t hat wouldn't have
happened if I cleaned my dishes better.

I wouldn't care about style, but afaict mine is still stylish.

It's a sears, probably whirlppol and has 3 sheets of metal stored in
the front, representing 6 colors**, if I wanted it to be adifferent
color. So far everything is harvest gold. Now that IS out of style,
but I don't care.

White, harvest gold, ovacado?, and I forget the other three. I've
only seen them once 15 years ago, because I have to take out two
screws and remove a strip to look at them.

On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:48:41 GMT, KLS wrote:

mm wrote:
It's a sears, probably whirlppol and has 3 sheets of metal stored in
the front, representing 6 colors**, if I wanted it to be adifferent
color. So far everything is harvest gold. Now that IS out of style,
but I don't care.

White, harvest gold, ovacado?, and I forget the other three. I've
only seen them once 15 years ago, because I have to take out two
screws and remove a strip to look at them.

White, harvest gold, avocado green, sunset orange, something brown,
almond? Great selection!

That might be it, and I hope so because they still sell almond. I
can't imagine my stove really breaking, but the fridge could.

"mm" wrote in message
...
On 7 Oct 2006 12:14:20 -0700, wrote:

It was harvest gold but I painted it white hahahah

I was thinking a bike tire patch with cement glue.

Why not some aerosol foam insulation into the hole, then cut and sand
it off even with the rest of dishwasher.

I have a can of that aerosol stuff but I don't know what color it is
inside. White maybe.

Are you talking about "Great Stuff"? That stuff isn't terribly waterproof,
and I doubt it would hold up to the heat of a dishwasher...

-Tim

Mrs Clean, I think you are at the bitter end on this DW. I don't know what
kind of floor you have, or what is on the floor below you kitchen, but a
water leak would be pretty damaging to both. Also at 30 years your DW is
probably not all that efficicient as far as water and electric use, so a new
one would likely pay for itself in a few short years. You'll also be
surprised at how quite a new one is!

Give it up - give the thing a kiss on the control knobs and drag it to the
street! You are right, you probably won't get 30 years out of a new one -
But you are really fortunate to have had the old one live that long!

Mark

P.S. That old harvest gold refrig should probably go too! I know a new one
would save you $$$ in operating costs!


wrote in message
ups.com...
It was harvest gold but I painted it white hahahah

I was thinking a bike tire patch with cement glue.

I am hanging on to the bitter end.

Mrs. Clean

mm wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 16:59:11 -0700, wrote:

The nylon rollers have worn a hole in the inside of my dishwasher.

It's 30 years old but the new ones only go 7 years, so I want to keep
it. It's sound mechanically.

How or what should I use to patch the inside of the door?

If it is all the way through, I think auto body putty would do it. I
think they have a couple general kinds, for small dents and for larger
that is sometimes supported by a piece of fiberglass mesh.

I can't imagine the hole is bigger than a dime, so I think you can use
the small dent stuff and just leave the door open, (the hole is in the
door, right?) and push enough through so that it lands on the far
side (now the bottom side) and keep applying it until the pile reaches
up to the level where you are. You can onoy apply it a half inch deep
at one time, or something like that. Read the label. So do it in
stages. When it reaches the hole smooth it out. You may want to paint
it with the little bottles of white porcelain paint they sell for
kitchen appliances (only in colors that appliances come in.)

I live alone and only wash full loads, so Idon'pt use my dishwasher
very often, but it's 27 years old, and works and looks fine, and has
only broken once when a tiny half inch long very thin chicken bone got
caught in the anti-siphon thing on the sink. And t hat wouldn't have
happened if I cleaned my dishes better.

I wouldn't care about style, but afaict mine is still stylish.

It's a sears, probably whirlppol and has 3 sheets of metal stored in
the front, representing 6 colors**, if I wanted it to be adifferent
color. So far everything is harvest gold. Now that IS out of style,
but I don't care.

White, harvest gold, ovacado?, and I forget the other three. I've
only seen them once 15 years ago, because I have to take out two
screws and remove a strip to look at them.

I replaced the refrigerator (harvest gold) first thing. It didn't
involve a big installation.

I avoid the labor charges, being a woman alone and all. I may take on
installing a new dishwasher after I hang my Electrical Service Panel
today.

I was quoted $400 to install an electric oven. There's already one in
there wired up, I can't see letting them rip me off. I will get one
wired virtually the same, pull, drop new one it, and see if I need to
get help doing it instead of paying the upfront fee with no
justification except "$400 because they can be complicated."

I actually believe electricians are the biggest thieves around, ahead
of lawyers.



Mark wrote:
Mrs Clean, I think you are at the bitter end on this DW. I don't know what
kind of floor you have, or what is on the floor below you kitchen, but a
water leak would be pretty damaging to both. Also at 30 years your DW is
probably not all that efficicient as far as water and electric use, so a new
one would likely pay for itself in a few short years. You'll also be
surprised at how quite a new one is!

Give it up - give the thing a kiss on the control knobs and drag it to the
street! You are right, you probably won't get 30 years out of a new one -
But you are really fortunate to have had the old one live that long!

Mark

P.S. That old harvest gold refrig should probably go too! I know a new one
would save you $$$ in operating costs!


wrote in message
ups.com...
It was harvest gold but I painted it white hahahah

I was thinking a bike tire patch with cement glue.

I am hanging on to the bitter end.

Mrs. Clean

mm wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 16:59:11 -0700, wrote:

The nylon rollers have worn a hole in the inside of my dishwasher.

It's 30 years old but the new ones only go 7 years, so I want to keep
it. It's sound mechanically.

How or what should I use to patch the inside of the door?

If it is all the way through, I think auto body putty would do it. I
think they have a couple general kinds, for small dents and for larger
that is sometimes supported by a piece of fiberglass mesh.

I can't imagine the hole is bigger than a dime, so I think you can use
the small dent stuff and just leave the door open, (the hole is in the
door, right?) and push enough through so that it lands on the far
side (now the bottom side) and keep applying it until the pile reaches
up to the level where you are. You can onoy apply it a half inch deep
at one time, or something like that. Read the label. So do it in
stages. When it reaches the hole smooth it out. You may want to paint
it with the little bottles of white porcelain paint they sell for
kitchen appliances (only in colors that appliances come in.)

I live alone and only wash full loads, so Idon'pt use my dishwasher
very often, but it's 27 years old, and works and looks fine, and has
only broken once when a tiny half inch long very thin chicken bone got
caught in the anti-siphon thing on the sink. And t hat wouldn't have
happened if I cleaned my dishes better.

I wouldn't care about style, but afaict mine is still stylish.

It's a sears, probably whirlppol and has 3 sheets of metal stored in
the front, representing 6 colors**, if I wanted it to be adifferent
color. So far everything is harvest gold. Now that IS out of style,
but I don't care.

White, harvest gold, ovacado?, and I forget the other three. I've
only seen them once 15 years ago, because I have to take out two
screws and remove a strip to look at them.

wrote in message
oups.com...
I replaced the refrigerator (harvest gold) first thing. It didn't
involve a big installation.

I avoid the labor charges, being a woman alone and all. I may take on
installing a new dishwasher after I hang my Electrical Service Panel
today.

I was quoted $400 to install an electric oven. There's already one in
there wired up, I can't see letting them rip me off. I will get one
wired virtually the same, pull, drop new one it, and see if I need to
get help doing it instead of paying the upfront fee with no
justification except "$400 because they can be complicated."

I actually believe electricians are the biggest thieves around, ahead
of lawyers.

$400 to install an oven is insane. The only thing you might need help with
is lifting out the old one and lifting in the new one (assuming they are the
same size, etc).

Appliance dealers mark up the delivery/installation as a major profit
center. They always groan a bit when I tell them I intend to install
myself.

We just bought an LG dishwasher. Home depot said that they normally charge
$150 for a DW install, but that model was "really hard" so they charge $250.
I bought it from a different source, and installed it myself, and saved $450
between the marked-down price and the DIY install. It was a bit finicky to
install but I got it done in an hour or so. If an amateur can do it in an
hour, it probably would take the pros 1/2 hour. Must be nice to make
$500/hour...

-Tim

wrote in
oups.com:

I replaced the refrigerator (harvest gold) first thing. It didn't
involve a big installation.

I avoid the labor charges, being a woman alone and all. I may take on
installing a new dishwasher after I hang my Electrical Service Panel
today.

I was quoted $400 to install an electric oven. There's already one in
there wired up, I can't see letting them rip me off. I will get one
wired virtually the same, pull, drop new one it, and see if I need to
get help doing it instead of paying the upfront fee with no
justification except "$400 because they can be complicated."

I actually believe electricians are the biggest thieves around, ahead
of lawyers.


That's rediculous....maybe.

If you buy an electric stove you tell them if you have a 3 or 4 prong
outlet. You buy the cord when you buy the stove. When they deliver it the
delivery folks will connect it to the stove at no charge and plug it in.
That's the best case.

First, I'm not an electrician. The worst case is if for some reason in
your area local codes say you must have the opposite of what you have 3
vs 4 or 4 vs 3. Electrician is basing the 400 on having to run new wire
from the box to the stove. Anyway, if the plug is existing I doubt code
can say you have to change it just because you are replacing the stove.
But if in you local area they will only sell the opposite plug of the one
you have because of codes then the electrician is being forced to redo
it.



Mark wrote:
Mrs Clean, I think you are at the bitter end on this DW. I don't
know what kind of floor you have, or what is on the floor below you
kitchen, but a water leak would be pretty damaging to both. Also at
30 years your DW is probably not all that efficicient as far as water
and electric use, so a new one would likely pay for itself in a few
short years. You'll also be surprised at how quite a new one is!

Give it up - give the thing a kiss on the control knobs and drag it
to the street! You are right, you probably won't get 30 years out of
a new one - But you are really fortunate to have had the old one live
that long!

Mark

P.S. That old harvest gold refrig should probably go too! I know a
new one would save you $$$ in operating costs!


wrote in message
ups.com...
It was harvest gold but I painted it white hahahah

I was thinking a bike tire patch with cement glue.

I am hanging on to the bitter end.

Mrs. Clean

mm wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 16:59:11 -0700, wrote:

The nylon rollers have worn a hole in the inside of my
dishwasher.

It's 30 years old but the new ones only go 7 years, so I want to
keep it. It's sound mechanically.

How or what should I use to patch the inside of the door?

If it is all the way through, I think auto body putty would do it.
I think they have a couple general kinds, for small dents and for
larger that is sometimes supported by a piece of fiberglass mesh.

I can't imagine the hole is bigger than a dime, so I think you can
use the small dent stuff and just leave the door open, (the hole
is in the door, right?) and push enough through so that it lands
on the far side (now the bottom side) and keep applying it until
the pile reaches up to the level where you are. You can onoy
apply it a half inch deep at one time, or something like that.
Read the label. So do it in stages. When it reaches the hole
smooth it out. You may want to paint it with the little bottles of
white porcelain paint they sell for kitchen appliances (only in
colors that appliances come in.)

I live alone and only wash full loads, so Idon'pt use my
dishwasher very often, but it's 27 years old, and works and looks
fine, and has only broken once when a tiny half inch long very
thin chicken bone got caught in the anti-siphon thing on the sink.
And t hat wouldn't have happened if I cleaned my dishes better.

I wouldn't care about style, but afaict mine is still stylish.

It's a sears, probably whirlppol and has 3 sheets of metal stored
in the front, representing 6 colors**, if I wanted it to be
adifferent color. So far everything is harvest gold. Now that IS
out of style, but I don't care.

White, harvest gold, ovacado?, and I forget the other three. I've
only seen them once 15 years ago, because I have to take out two
screws and remove a strip to look at them.

On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 00:46:26 GMT, "Mark" wrote:

Mrs Clean, I think you are at the bitter end on this DW. I don't know what
kind of floor you have, or what is on the floor below you kitchen, but a
water leak would be pretty damaging to both. Also at 30 years your DW is
probably not all that efficicient as far as water and electric use,

It's one thing to say that about AC's and fridges and furnaces, where
I think there have been technical advances, but the DW has a motor,
and a heater to heat the water. How have they improved such things in
the last 30 (or even 50) years? Did a dishwasher use even a gallon of
water 30 or 50 years ago. How much less water could it use now?

so a new
one would likely pay for itself in a few short years.

Everytime this is said, I'm uneasy, and I've figured out two reasons.

Posters take the price of the item P, and the amount of money thought
to be saved each year S, and the number of years before the new item
wears out Y, and they multiply S x Y and if SY is greater than P, they
say there will be savings.

But does anyone consider A) the lost interest on P? If P is 200
dollars, it would be earning about 10 dollars a year in anything
better than a straight savings account.

or B) that by waiting several more years W to replace the item, the
new item purchased then might save even more electricity, etc. and
have more new features than if purchased now; and will last that many
years W longer than the same item purchased this year. Even perhaps
2W years if again the homeowner isn't quick to replace what other say
should be replaced. Again, when the item is replaced a second time,
the new item will be W years more recent.

These two factors apply to refridgerators, AC, and furnaces, as well
as dishwasher.


You'll also be
surprised at how quite a new one is!

Give it up - give the thing a kiss on the control knobs and drag it to the
street! You are right, you probably won't get 30 years out of a new one -
But you are really fortunate to have had the old one live that long!

Mark

P.S. That old harvest gold refrig should probably go too! I know a new one
would save you $$$ in operating costs!


wrote in message
oups.com...
It was harvest gold but I painted it white hahahah

I was thinking a bike tire patch with cement glue.

I am hanging on to the bitter end.

Mrs. Clean

mm wrote:
On 6 Oct 2006 16:59:11 -0700, wrote:

The nylon rollers have worn a hole in the inside of my dishwasher.

It's 30 years old but the new ones only go 7 years, so I want to keep
it. It's sound mechanically.

How or what should I use to patch the inside of the door?

If it is all the way through, I think auto body putty would do it. I
think they have a couple general kinds, for small dents and for larger
that is sometimes supported by a piece of fiberglass mesh.

I can't imagine the hole is bigger than a dime, so I think you can use
the small dent stuff and just leave the door open, (the hole is in the
door, right?) and push enough through so that it lands on the far
side (now the bottom side) and keep applying it until the pile reaches
up to the level where you are. You can onoy apply it a half inch deep
at one time, or something like that. Read the label. So do it in
stages. When it reaches the hole smooth it out. You may want to paint
it with the little bottles of white porcelain paint they sell for
kitchen appliances (only in colors that appliances come in.)

I live alone and only wash full loads, so Idon'pt use my dishwasher
very often, but it's 27 years old, and works and looks fine, and has
only broken once when a tiny half inch long very thin chicken bone got
caught in the anti-siphon thing on the sink. And t hat wouldn't have
happened if I cleaned my dishes better.

I wouldn't care about style, but afaict mine is still stylish.

It's a sears, probably whirlppol and has 3 sheets of metal stored in
the front, representing 6 colors**, if I wanted it to be adifferent
color. So far everything is harvest gold. Now that IS out of style,
but I don't care.

White, harvest gold, ovacado?, and I forget the other three. I've
only seen them once 15 years ago, because I have to take out two
screws and remove a strip to look at them.

"mm" wrote in message
...
It's one thing to say that about AC's and fridges and furnaces, where
I think there have been technical advances, but the DW has a motor,
and a heater to heat the water. How have they improved such things in
the last 30 (or even 50) years? Did a dishwasher use even a gallon of
water 30 or 50 years ago. How much less water could it use now?

Dishwashers, particularly older ones, use a lot more than "a gallon" of
water. Newer ones use less.

Newer dishwashers are practically silent compared to old ones. Our brand
new one is so quiet that you barely know it's running when you're standing
right next to it. The PC I'm typing on right now, which I consider pretty
quiet, is louder than our DW.

Newer DW's tend to clean much better than old ones.

The above may not be true if you're buying a bottom-of-the line, sub-$400
dishwasher today.

-Tim